I'm tired of coping bros. EVs are just better. They are faster, just unbelievably faster. Their torque curve is a fucking flat line. They can pack more horsepower into a smaller frame. The only downside is the battery and really that doesn't matter 99.999% of the time.The only thing EVs don't have is that rumbling v8, screaming v12, etc. That's all they are missing. They're just better. I keep saying they have no soul, they're just appliances, etc. Yeah, a lot of them are boring, but holy flaming fuck the fast ones? Plaid, Sapphire, Turbo GT... that shit is just next level.I will buy one when they depreciate a bit more. Blast the fuck off at every light. Maybe if CAFE hadn't ruined v8, v12, and bigblock tech progression. Maybe ICE would have stood a chance. I don't know. Fuck it.EVs are going to win. They are just better.
/n/igger shill
>>28628772tl;dr, faget I'm not buying your faggot machine. Feel free to suck cocks, or whatever. I'll only judge you for it.
>>28628772>I will buy one when they depreciate a bit more.how much more do you want them to depreciateyou can get a tesla that does 5.5s 0-60 for under $10k used
>>28628772> They are faster, just unbelievably faster. not even true, they are also heavier and have a low top speed.EV's give instant 100% power but they drop off due to having no gears. A tesla model S plaid can only go 200mph (with optional brake package) which is the same speed as an 80s porsche or lambo.
>>28628830That's not fast
>>28628836>and have a low top speed.How often do you go faster than 200km/h poser fag?
EVs are the future. LFP batteries are cheap and durable. The biggest hurdle against mass adoption (unreliable battery) is now a thing of the past. The battery is now the most durable part in an EV. Once solid state is standard and cheap, ICE will have no place but in some die hard hearts.
>>28628772Honest question, OP: Why are you so fucking stupid? Taking your post at face value, I can't help but wonder why you normalfags rationalize things and lie to yourselves. You really couldn't comprehend these things on day 1? Look at the spec sheet, drive it, do some comparisons, done. You really have to have some bizarre emotional investment and some kind of epiphany years later? The Jews are right - normgroids are cattle
>>28628845I've got up to 240kmh on the road in my civic type r
>>28628850Was that with or without v-tec enabled?
>>28628854it's not something you enable or disable
>>28628884Nice car
>>28628772Begone kike
>>28628772>Their torque curve is a fucking flat line.It's not
>>28628772>rumbling v8Yeah this is what "car enthusiasts" want and the same reason they want manuals. Manuals are not more fun to drive, they want to show off by dropping a gear and making a shit ton of noise because they're low IQ and think that's cool. Everyone around them actually thinks they're retarded douches.
>>28628772>Their torque curve is a fucking flat line.Stopped reading right there, sorryDo your homework
>>28628984lol what an embarrassing post.
I was pretty stubborn about moving on from using torrents and warez sites for my music and movies. I didn't really get into spotify and pirate streams till 2015 and it was significantly better.I was pretty stubborn about using cabled headphones. When I finally moved onto bluetooth and experienced wandering around my home without my device in my pocket - it was a game changer.I suspect EV's will be the exact same experience. Stubbornly late to the party with a bullshit excuse that lacks insight into how much better it is going to be.Till then I'll continue with my oil burning machine.
>>28628772According to chatgpt, my mach e basic bitch ass npc crossover is faster 0-60 than a Ferrari from 20 years ago.
>>28629035My 3L BMW SUV is getting ragged by a lot of these newer EVs on motorways. Like basic looking shit like Nissans and Hyundais. Kinda funny watching the inner maniac coming out in people who bought NPC cars.
>>28629014Still using torrents (they can't take down music from those as easily as they do with streaming services) and listen/watch local content, still using cables (no additional buttons to press, no batteries to forget to charge). >When I finally moved onto bluetooth and experienced wandering around my home without my device in my pocket - it was a game changer.Imagine not having good enough pockets. You will never be a woman, by the way.
>>28629053Been using spoify for a decade and it's far more practical. Can easily share music with friends. Can easily access my music from other peoples phones. Beyond the occasional obscure song being copyrighted, I don't deal with issues. It's a good service.Have a pirated stream that gives me access from any device with a browser globally with just a login.Charge on headphones is suprisingly long, probably have to remember to do it once a month at best. Welcome to the future buddy.
>>28629072>Been using spoify for a decade and it's far more practical. Nah. You need:- an app (updated to the latest version where gay devs broke some functionality again)- a good internet connection (you don't want hiccups)- a working agreement between Spotify and the publisher of each song you like or might like (and the service still lacks a lot of music, some gets taken down, etc.)I need:- an SD card>Can easily share music with friends.I do, because I know how to send files over the internet. Did you know that some IM apps of today even have music players inside them?>Can easily access my music from other peoples phones.Sounds gay. A phone is like a toothbrush, you don't give it to other people.>Have a pirated stream that gives me access from any device with a browser globally with just a login.1TB SD card from a reputable brand is like $80. It's really hard to fill it with music completely even if you're into lossless.>pirated>with just a loginGay.>Charge on headphones is suprisingly long, probably have to remember to do it once a month at best. You don't use them much, do you?>Welcome to the future buddy.It's gay and communist, please don't drag me in there.
>>28629120Brother, respectfully you sound old and reclusive. I too remember the days of thinking that 2005-2010 era tech was the peak. Feel free to lug about a harddrive and laptop just to watch a movie in a hotel. Enjoy all those extra storage pockets.Meanwhile I'll be vaping in my audi e-tron using applecar play to play spotify songs in 5 years time.
>>28628772Don't care, I'm going to keep driving my car.
>>28629132>Meanwhile I'll be vaping in my audi e-tron using applecar play to play spotify songs in 5 years time.And you sound really gay.I just do what's convenient. I tried streaming services, I tried wireless headphones. I even own some EVs, they are more convenient than ICEs but only on smaller scales, like 1:10 or 1:7. Don't have to deal with those glow plugs.
>>28629132>vapingNigga u gay
>>28628844Under 6 second acceleration to 60 is objectively fast. People used to pay a premium to get that kinda speed in a car, even if it seems ordinary today. Most commuter traffic is going to be 7+.
>>28629148It's not objectively fast. It was fast in the 60s, sure. But by that logic doing 0-60 in 15 seconds is still fast because a Model T couldn't even do 60mph.
>>28629148Any ancient 4banger 1.5l shitbox will do under 6 seconds with junkyard special td04 slapped on.
>>286291920-60 in under 6s puts you in the "objectively fast on civilian roads" bracket. Numbers aren't really available on this kind of thing for Europe. But objectively my 5.5s car is faster than most things on the road except premium sportcars or the highest end german cars.If those are the only cars faster than mine then objectively it is sitting in a top % of cars on the road.If the only standard you will consider is extremely high end porsches etc with a <4 second 0-60 then I'd say that's a pretty retarded scale. Since at that point there is really only fractions of a second left to push in on and at that point you need precision timing equipment to notice.
>>28628772>The only downside is the battery and really that doesn't matter 99.999% of the time.Ah yes, the only flaw is the main component Retard
>>28628772>Taycan Turbo GT>Turbo>ElectricWhere's the turbo on that car?
>>28629323There's a turbofaggot in the driver's seat of each and every one. Does that count?
>>28628830When a Turbo GT or Lucid Sapphire get below 125k I will snag one, so 3-4 years from now probably. Maybe sooner for the Porsche.>>286288360-60 and maybe 40-80 are the only metrics I really care about. I'm not ripping down I-95 at 200mph, but I am definitely ripping from 60-80 or 0-60 to pass or just have fun at a red light on a daily basis.>>28628847This is correct. I will always have an ICE manual vehicle, but for performance nothing comes close. MAYBE an ICE offroad truck because gas is portable. Maybe.>>28629014Me too bro>>28629270The flaw is the weight, that's about it. People will cope and say they can burst into flame but that shit almost never happens. Your fucking DME tuned m4 can detonate at 90mph and kill your ass too but nobody worries about it because it's obscenely rare.
>>28629359>maybe 40-80 are the only metrics I really care aboutRolling acceleration is probably the most important thing in fast road driving, which big displacement petrol cars are still just about the king of. Needs to be something special to beat a fast EV though, like a German autobahn missile or a yank V8 with a whopping great blower.
>>28629245>0-60 in under 6s puts you in the "objectively fast on civilian roads" bracket.Tell us you drive a BRZ without telling us you drive a BRZ
>>28628772>EVs are going to win. They are just better.100 more years to full adoption, amirite!Quick, pull out the adoption percentage statistics for a country like Norway that straight up outlawed the sales of ICE cars, that'll show us!
>>28629493Raped by plaid.
>>28629359>The flaw is the weight, that's about it.It's also shitty energy density of a battery compared to gas cars, which if you had an iq of over 100, you'd realize is pretty major in coming to the conclusion that ICE is still superior to EV
>>28629617Something rarely discussed with EVs is that it lessens Western reliance on Russia / Arabs.This is why governments want it. It's far preferrable to put additional strain on a nation's power supply than to have your country reliant on how Putin is feeling. It's not about the planet. It's just that it's an objective fact that there is a limited supply of oil and a lot of it sits on the turf of our political enemies.It simply bolsters a countrie's self reliance. Which is why China fucking loves it for their own country too.
>>286296291 - China is seeding the shit out of their society with EVs to improve the chances of their isolation dome happening2 - China makes batteries but does not control power grids, less vehicles on the road relying on oil - the less impact a dirty protest by Russia / Arabs has3 - The USA is a fucking joke right now and your country is not reflective of where the rest of the west is heading. Not my problem if your oil baron masters are having one last hurrah and brainwashing right wingers into glazing over talking points that Big Oil and a buncha fucking billionaires want you to have.
>>28629230yes and that is fast
>>28629628Wait till anon learns where lithium comes from.
>>28629661Europe is about to get buttfucked by Russia again because you have been terrorized since the fall of the Lithuanian Empire half a millennium ago. The US, Saudi Arabia, Niggeria, and maybe Argentina are going to be dominant well into the future. Look at immigration rates, birth rates, economic trends, and social reforms. Argentina is admittedly a stretch, but they are the only South American nation that seems willing to get out of their own fucking way.
Never buying the EV again, saars. Fent zombies loved to vandalize the chargers by cutting off the cables for the copper wires inside. Out and about charging was too fucking frustrating.
>>28628772The climate grift failed. Its over for EVs sales are falling. They were only popular when the government paid people to buy them
>>28629612Raped by a 20 year old AMG.
>>28629845I have no idea why you felt the need to write this. Thanks though?
>implying you need more than lightweight 4-pop to have funspeed doesn't matter
>>28628772I will redpill you on tesla's and all EV vehicles. I have seen this youtuber take a couple Tesla Model S Plaid around the nurburgring. every time he does it shows how much EV is actually lacking. Electricity as an energy source is very powerful. but it lacks in the endurance aspect. he takes a nearly fully charged Tesla around 1 lap and it goes from 95% to 53%. so electric vehicles are very fast and very good at generating power, but ultimately electric vehicles are crap when it comes to ANY kind of endurance racing that would be longer than 15 minutes. in addition there is an electric vehicle out there breaking records. but its a one trick pony. it keeps smashing record times but its honestly is a gimmick. it and EV that uses a giant fan to create downforce while being super light weight. but thats all the car can really do, one, maybe 2 laps, then the car is done. like i said EV"s are a one trick pony. but when you get past these cars winning internet drag races and you really start to understand how they will never compete in real track racing, you will start hating EV's. its impressive what they accomplish with them. but electricity as an energy source just sucks compared to gas. https://youtu.be/m4uJFpoR6Q0?si=bZGYvmh2_pQW2Wlfhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JYp9eGC3Cc
>>28628984Had 5 people compliment my car today for doing just this. V8 sounds good
>>28628772GoodNow take the hyundai N pill
The only cool thing about them is you can charge at home. Fuck chuddies at gas stations
ev's are fine as luxury cars or daily commuters. but gas cars have more character and are more fun to drive.
>>28629875Anytime bro
>>28628850Enjoy jail time homo
>>28629493Every country should do what Norway did.
>>28629908>real track racingWho cares? People want the best move to point A to B. And in that aspect EV beats ICE. They are superior and cheaper commuter cars.
>>28629908that mcmurty is crazy though, gets like 2+gs and makes gt3rs's look like chevy silverados
>mototrend reports 2.45 0-60 on the plaid >still slower than a clapped out gixxer Lmfao cagers Lmfao EV
>>28630557Murica tells itself that but the reality is that they are watching as they slide into losing their place. Your entire country has been so heavily propagandized with Dj Khalid level "We The Best" for a century that you can't even see the decay going on before you. Here you are, probably a reasonable enough human being away from the internet - all worked up about EVs because your politics are sponsored by oil barons. You are celebrating looking out for the interests of people who do not care about you at all lol.The sanctions on EVs by Murica and the West are to prevent China taking over too quickly but they can't rock the boat too hard. But most countries are still offering a lot of advantages to EVs and beginning to tax ICE heavier. There is still a lot of subtle subsidies available that aren't directly linked to the government but still exist. For instance you can only get hybrids or EVs through salary sacrifice schemes at government jobs now.EVs will take over major cities within a decade for most of the West. Murica will have some sort of weird last stand while your oil barons still have enough influence over government to create barriers to access.But ultimately it's already happened. You just aren't ready to admit it.The oil will run out. Cars will need to continue.
>>28630547>>28629864The Plaid strawman is real. The point was never that it was the fastest possible vehicle that can ever exist. It's that it requires zero modifications and can consistently crank out max performance on the streets on street tires while carrying groceries and a car seat.
>>28630579>Dj Khalid level "We The Best"Ebonics
>>28628772Who cares about speed? Speed does not trump a car that is just all around fun to drive. They cannot put a manual transmission stick shifter in an electric car, which I prefer when I'm driving.
>>28630775You can have manual electric cars, it's pretty much pointless but you can have it.
>>28630579It would be a great improvement by comparison if we were actually sponsored by oil barons.Unfortunately, politics in the US has been sponsored by the whig theocracy instead for the past ~200 years (ivy leagues, georgetown, cia, et cetera).
i don't think the average person, like someone buying a 2025 camry, give a shit whether it's ICE or EV. it's just an appliance to them.at the same time, I cannot really see anybody into cars giving a shit about basically any cars past the 1990s with few exceptions. ICE vs EV doesn't really enter the picture and is so irrelevent as to be a pointless topic. They're all released from the 2010s onward, when everything has sucked for over a decade already. It doesn't even matter anymore.
>>28631024What about oil counts?
Kill EV shills. Behead EV shills. Roundhouse kick an EV shill into the concrete. Slam dunk an EV shill into the trashcan. Crucify filthy EV shills. Defecate in an EV shill's food. Launch EV shills into the sun. Stir fry EV shills in a wok. Toss EV shills into active volcanoes. Urinate onto an EV shill's glorified iPhone on wheels. Judo throw EV shills into a wood chipper. Twist EV shills' heads off. Report EV shills to the IRS. Karate chop EV shills in half. Curb stomp EV shills. Trap EV shills in quicksand. Crush EV shills in the trash compactor. Liquefy EV shills in a vat of acid. Eat EV shills. Dissect EV shills. Exterminate EV shills in the gas chamber. Stomp EV shill skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate EV shills in the oven. Lobotomize EV shills. Mandatory abortions for EV shills. Grind EV shill fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown EV shills in fried chicken grease. Vaporize EV shills with a ray gun. Kick old EV shills down the stairs. Feed EV shills to alligators. Slice EV shills with a katana. Total EV death.
>>28631126Raped by plaid
>>28629493>100 more years to full adoption, amiriteprobably more like 40-50~30 or so years after they stop selling new mass-market ICE cars
>>28630079mucho perro caca
>>28630775You can hook an electric motor to whatever fucking drivetrain you want, anon. It's just always objectively worse than driving the wheels directly.
>>28629908Bro the fuel consumption on racing tracks is insane on ICE vehicles too. I doubt a 911 could do 3 turns on the Nürburgring without refueling.
wow what an amazing and original thread thanks so much for posting it op what would we have done without the horrible bait that lead to exactly no new conversation?
>>28631321>do 3-4 laps>go to pit>refuel in 20 seconds>do 3-4 more lapsvs>do 1 lap>wait 30 minutes>do another lap
>>28629908>>28631330Yes this is incredibly relevant to me, as someone who never has and never will race competitively on a 13-mile-long race course on a different continent. I will use this information going forward as a foundation for my car purchasing decisions to determine which is best for driving the speedway in a straight line down the highway.
>>28631335Now That's What I Call /O/ Volume 42069
>>28631214Nah, it's another total war in 40
>>28631415The average 25 year old American doesn't have their driver's license
>>28628772You guys have all planned out your pending Slate™Truck® builds, right?>https://www.slate.auto/en/slatemakerMe, i'm keeping it simple:>Off-road Tires (which seems to require lift kit)>Rear Spare Tire (Which seems to require rear bumper upgrade)>"Desert Drifter" Wrap (obligatory, otherwise body panels will rot)>Extended range battery (obligatory for my use case)And my fingers right crossed hoping for AWD/4x4 in the future, because i do actually need that shit, too, where i live.A longer box would also be nice, 5ft is rather smoll, an extra foot would be much appreciated, though not required.Interior can stay stock for awhile, idc.
>>28628772Until you run out of charge after 150 miles (2 hours of driving, lmao), and need to spend 4 hours charging up, whilst my diesel is trucking on, 700 miles until it needs refilling.
>>28631541It's more like 300-400 miles. I agree that the charging time per range sucks, but that will continue to improve. Trucks and offroad vehicles are probably the only really good use case for ICEs in the future.
>>28631330To point was that ICE cars are not fuel effiicient on a race track. Btw the vast majority of drivers never drive 300-400 kilomteres without stopping.
>>28629035your basic bitch mach-e NPC machine isn't faster than any of those. Your 0-60 time is well over 6 seconds; so about as fast as a base model Golf.
>>28629822>Wait till anon learns where lithium comes from.australia and south america, mainly. your point being?
>>28631415This image would be accurate maybe 20 years ago
>>28631415>the average American 25 year old
>>28632078It's still very accurate below the Mason Dixon line. Those kids are fucking huge and they all do 4H and shit.
>>28632434>Those kids are fucking hugeWell yeah, they are American
>>28628772they forgot the sovl
