Modern MHEV engines give you:>Turbo power without turbo lag>Less wasted fuel>Actually more reliability because EV eases ICE in most stressful momentsNA engines give:>No turbo lag>Less power in general>Higher fuel consumptionMHEV is just superior technology and a godsent. It's a fact, not opinion.
>>28628879You probably mean mhev+turbo and not mhev+NA. Beyond the power comparison is silly. There is no way to make a credible comparison without taking in account power per liter. For reliability a turbo will never be more reliable , as a rule of thumb, from an NA especially if its stressed. As for fuel consumption Mazda's skyactiv-x seems to consume less than any mhev turbo of equal output.
>>28628924>You probably mean mhev+turbo and not mhev+NA.Yes, of course. If the point of mhev is increasing efficiency then attaching it to less efficient engine seems retarded.>There is no way to make a credible comparison without taking in account power per liter.Here turbo always win. However it has it's shorcomings (turbo lag, worse reliability) that were fixed with mhev.That's why turbo + mhev > NA. It's much more complex, but despite that it's more reliable and produces power as linear as NA.If you add electric engine and batteries to turbo ICE, whole system is still smaller than NA with similar power, while using fraction of fuel.>Mazda's skyactiv-xWas upgraded into e-skyactive x, by adding mhev. Everything gets better with mhev.
>>28628879"Mild hybrid" is literally a coping technique to comply with retarded emission regulations. Either go full hybrid or don't bother yourself with half-assed overcomplications.
>>28628989>"Mild hybrid" is literally a coping technique to comply with retarded emission regulations.They are technology that is used to comply with retarded emission regulations because they're very efficient in fuel to power ratio. It doesn't mean mhev is bad - it means mhev is only ICE system good enough to handle retarded reulations.>Either go full hybrid or don't bother yourself with half-assed overcomplications.Full hybrids have half-assed ICE and half-assed EV. Mhev is like a turbo to turbo, but without any cons like with turbo to NA.
>>28628879>>Actually more reliability because EV eases ICE in most stressful momentshahahaha !
>>28628995>they're very efficient in fuel to power ratioIn some retarded test scenario maybe. In real world they won't even power your air conditioner while you are standing in traffic.>Full hybrids have half-assed ICEMine has a 3.5L V6.>Mhev is like a turbo to turbo, but without any cons like with turbo to NA.A turbo is something you use to shove more air/fuel into the engine to get even more power when it can't suck in more on its own, not something you use to make your 3 cyl 1.1 liter marketable for the next few years because the daddy govt told you so.
>>28629002>In some retarded test scenario maybe.I have two cars with same 1.5, but one has added mhev. In same scenarios mhev uses around 5l per 100km, while regular uses 7-8l per 100km.>Mine has a 3.5L V6.It's necessary for moving around heavy battery of EV, that's necessary for moving around your V6. Trully brilliant design.>A turbo is something you use to shove more air/fuel into the engine to get even more power when it can't suck in more on its own, not something you use to make your 3 cyl 1.1 liter marketable for the next few years because the daddy govt told you so.Turbo objectively adds more power to every liter of engine. Mhev objectively adds more torque to everything it's attached to. 1.5l turbo with mhev in new A3 rides like some oldschool sports car in terms of speed and torque.You sound like you want to "blame" daddy govt that newer shitboxes do everything that oldschool sports cars are doing, but better.You're a glowie, right?
>>28629011>I have two cars with same 1.5My condolences.>caring for couple of liter difference in fuel consumptionMy condolences.>It's necessary for moving around heavy battery of EVIdk what you're talking about, from your posts it looks like you confuse normal hybrids with PHEVs. Get your shit straight. Regular gas version of my car has the same engine (with slightly different cams) and the same overall mass, bought mine because of the bulletproof eCVT mostly and to try out hybrids.>Turbo objectively adds more power to every liter of engine.Every liter of what, one and a half of them? I feel sorry for you, alright? >newer shitboxes do everything that oldschool sports cars are doing, but better.I said I'm sorry, no need to embarrass yourself further.>You're a glowie, right?Are you a jew? Asking because they tend to accuse others of what they do themselves.
>>28629040>you confuse normal hybrids with PHEVsNope, because I assume you can't charge your battery with a cable and it's smaller than in modern PHEVs?I mean mhev is a boost to regular ICE (that's why I'm comparing it to NA and regular turbo), while full hybrids are basically two half-assed cars (ICE and EV) putted into one. By definition it's less reliable and not as efficient as mhev or just gay-ol EV.>Every liter of what, one and a half of them? 1.5 liter turbo mhev that rides as NA with around 3 liter. That's what I'm talking about.
>>28629057>Nope, because I assume you can't charge your battery with a cable and it's smaller than in modern PHEVs?Yes, and it weighs like 2% of the total gross weight of the car. Fewer than one passenger (European). Probably fewer than the parts my car lacks compared to a regular gas version (lack of significant difference in weight comes from here, I guess).>full hybrids are basically two half-assed cars (ICE and EV) putted into one. Wrong and retarded especially considering the context of the overcomplicated bullshit from VAG you're trying to promote. Do your homework, I'm not here to educate you, sorry.
>the Question has been conveniently ignoredAlso noted.
>>28629076>Yes, and it weighs like 2% of the total gross weight of the car.When your car has 3.5l V6 then battery alone should weight well over 100kg to balance this. Even over 200kg (and I'm not talking about PHEV). Otherwise it's just a boost to ICE - literally, slightly bigger MHEV.You're arguing for nothing, retard.
>>28629124>i know better than Toyota engineersHave to admit, trying to argue with something like that is retarded.
>more reliable
>>28629137>ToyotaNow it makes sense. All these posts you made are for nothing and you're a retard.Toyota doesn't call it's engines "mild hybrid", even if de facto they are mhev as fuck. Even 1.8l with 122hp is called regular hybrid, when it's boosted to 140hp with literal mhev.Toyota 3.5 V6 Hybrid works on similar principle, despite being called "FHEV". EV adds like 10-15% of hoursepower to ICE, which is absolutely in range of mhev engines. It can ride solely on EV for some distance, but guess what: newer mhevs can do this too nowadays.
>>28629174LolLmao, evenCan't imagine a prompt resulting in this, so I guess you wrote it by yourself.
>>28629179>3.5 V6 non-hybrid: 276-294hp>3.5 V6 full-hybrid: 313-359hp, 389hp with dual turboI'll analyze these numbers for you: you're riding glorified mhev that allows you to go for groceries mostly on EV.
>>28629211That's a lot of talk for someone who owns not one but two 1.5 liters
>>28629333Combined that is 3lt. Not bad at all.
>>28629503Nope, you can't make a good car out of two half-assed ones, you said it yourself. Maybe even twice.
>>28629512Its my first post here mate.
*mogs your hybrid*
>>28629534Sorry.
>>28629512>you can't make a good car out of two half-assed onesNow you get it. OP here. I have several cars and change them often, just not suvs and trucks. My main for the weekend is 2l 4pots 204hp 100% ice which is ok for mini, as I'm not fanboy of any particular type of engine. However full hybrid sucks, because it's basically phev without p and smaller battery. Luckly for you, you ride glorified mhev - "mild" being dropped because some people are less intelligent and think it has something to do with engine's power.Peace.
>>28629575MHEV is just a supercharger with additional Rube Goldberg steps for no reason. >engine charges a battery to power an electric motor that gives additional power to the wheels Vs>engine turns a belt that drives more air into the engine to increase power
>>28628879Dont care luv me na skyactiv 2.5 going brrr
>>28629578It's not just about power but torque and power.EV has better torque, even with less power it fills turbo lag nicely in MHEV. It's mild kick that kicks in when and where it's needed the most. Vast majority of power comes from ICE and power that necessary for EV comes from brakes (energy that is otherwise wasted anyway), so power of ICE isn't wasted on powering up battery or stressed, since weight of EV and battery in MHEV is much lighter than in other hybrids.
>>28629575>Now you get it. Where do I argue against it? I'm just trying to get you to actually read and learn something on topic instead of making shit up.
>>28629624>"Mild hybrid" is literally a coping technique to comply with retarded emission regulations. Either go full hybrid or don't bother yourself with half-assed overcomplications.Is that example of mental retardation yours?
>>28629011>it’s much more complicated, but better> You sound like you want to "blame" daddy govt that newer shitboxes do everything that oldschool sports cars are doing, but better.>You're a glowie, right?these modern jews are so retarded, lol
>>28629900Are you able to deny any of it with actual argumentation?
>>28629914Post nose.
>>28628879>MHEV is just superior technology and a godsent. It's a fact, not opinion.This is a fucking lie, a mild hybrid only powers the engine during the few first seconds when starting from an still position.What you're referring to would be a classical hybrid with a proper 2kw battery, I have one and it indeed has a fucking acceleration that pushes your head backwards, and the electric engine only got like 56hp.
Can we get a competent shill for a change?
>>28629951Mhevs also powers the engine during acceleration just before the turbo kicks in. It can make the car pretty smooth indeed. Beyond that its a glorified start-stop system, especially the ones that are 24v or less like the ones Mazda uses. There are cases where the car can "coast" with just the mhev powering the vehicle when paired with an auto tranny. Nissan does something like this but the gains on fuel efficiency or drive experience are negligible.
>>28628879I don't give fuck about small cars and cuckboxes. Mild hybrids have always failed miserably in trucks and SUV's. All that bullshit only gives you one extra MPG.
>>28628879fake power
>>28628879The less complicated shit is, the better. Hybrids are the worst of both worlds. I'll keep my 1.6 L NA manual until I get a full on EV. Who knows, maybe I'll just do an EV swap, I'm not a fan of the new ADAS shit.
I have a 6.2l V8 making 610/680 to the wheelsWhat is hybrid? U want hybrid fuck? My blower says, "nyet"
>>28629578Except the engine doesn't charge the battery. Hybrids work on the same concept as turbos: scavenging. The battery is charged from regenerative braking.
>>28630884Meds
>>28631087Wait do you not understand how a hybrid works? Like you honestly thought the battery was charged from the alternator?
>>28631200Other meds, idiotThese are even worse
>>28631408Lmao bro literally thought hybrid batteries were charged by the alternator and now he's embarrassed. Why would even think that was how they were charged?
>>28631442Because on MHEVs they are. Do you see a traction motor in OP's diagram?
>>28631650I don't care what's in the diagram. Hybrids use regen braking. Every single one of them do, diagram or not. That is literally their raison d'etre.Don't believe me? Ask VW themselves.https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/the-new-passat-international-media-drive-18257/partial-electric-driving-48-v-mild-hybrid-for-the-first-time-in-a-passat-18260>Not every driver is able to charge their vehicle at home or work. In these cases, Volkswagen still makes it possible to use electrical energy with the Passat eTSI. Here, electrical power is generated through the conversion of kinetic energy – the braking or recuperation power of a vehicle.
>>28631706No one said they can't do regenerative breaking. That doesn't change the fact that the only source of energy to charge the battery is the generator driven by the crankshaft of the engine.I like the design - you get a traditional driving experience, no need for a major redesign of the engine, you get to replace two mechanical components with one (starter/generator), and you get some hybrid efficiency gains.As for VW's statements - WTF? Does anybody charge an eTSI at home?
