I’ve done some calculations, based on an average German sedan that comes as mild hybrids, plug-in hybrids, and full electrics.>plug-in hybridsWeigh between 2050-2100 kgPollute between 20-15 g/km of CO214-15 tonnes of CO2 per plug-in hybrid manufactured >electricWeigh over 2200 kgPollute 0g/km of CO217 tonnes of CO2 per EV manufactured>gas / petrolWeigh between 1750-1800 kgPollute between 130-140g/km of CO2can’t get an exact number, but 11 tonnes of CO2 per petrol car manufacturedIf you break down the math:1. You need to drive nearly 26k kilometers in a petrol to produce the same level of CO2 as it takes to build a PHEV. 2. You need to drive nearly 43.5k kilometers to produce the same level of CO2 as it takes to build an EV.So, where does that leave us? We’re being told to move away from combustion engines to save the environment, but this contradicts the harsh reality that building one EV is more polluting than driving a brand new petrol car for a few years. The number becomes much, MUCH lower if you buy a 2nd hand car, since you didn’t contribute to the manufacturing pollution. I think the problem is with governments applying hindering “solutions” way downstream when it should be upstream, and corporations being the cultures they are began capitalizing on it.
>>28640798Have you factored in the price of refining and transporting gasoline? It decreases the gap by a considerable margin compared to using power grid infrastructure that'd already have been built anyway.Either way, any government push for changes in consumer/manufacturer decisions can be traced back to lobbying by the companies that stand to gain from those very changes
>>28640798Didn't ask.
>>28640819No, I haven’t, though I guess I should’ve. Still, we shouldn’t ignore that not all electric energy is from a clean renewable source.
>>28640830I know you didn't, that's why I said it.You had better flutter away you little fairy and seethe about not being able to afford an EV some more.
EVs are a scam, more news at 11.EVs make the most sense for driving in urban environments and charging at home. The problem is that most urbanites live in tiny apartments and can't charge at home.Full Hybrids are also, mostly, a scam considering they get the same mileage, more or less, with mhev turbos while being significantly pricier.Plug in hybrids are not a scam though. Their market is retards and they suit them just fine.
The car factory isn’t idling in front of my home, stupid.
>>28640855fuck off>>28640830Yeah of course, though the cleanliness of your local plants highly depends on the energy source so you'd either have to make some assumptions based on national averages of power production by energy type or figure it out for your own personal area
>>28640859So you just call things you can't afford a scam, huh.
>>28640820What does the ‘P’ in your name stand for?
>>28640942Learn my lore, newfag.
>>28640945No thanks, diddler.
>>28640950I diddled your're moms' urethra, if you can catch my drift?
>>28640798>plug-in hybrids>Pollute between 20-15 g/km of CO2In actual use, privately owned PHEVs often end up burning about as much fuel as a small non-plug-in "full" hybrid car, which would put their CO2 output somewhere around 100 g/km.Company car PHEVs are even worse, as their drivers tend to have a job to do and have little personal motivation to keep them charged and drive efficiently. The company probably got them for tax benefits anyway.Most of these cars aren't even particularly efficient as hybrids, as they tend to be made by bolting the electric bits onto an existing powertrain. If you don't charge them, 19 kWh of that 20 kWh battery is dead weight and so is (mostly) that oversized electric motor.I think at least some Toyota PHEVs are still pretty efficient hybrids with the battery mostly drained, but that's probably just Toyota's experience with full hybrids showing.
>>28640819>using power grid infrastructure that'd already have been built anywaythe current power grid can barely sustain the current number of electric cars, which is less than 1% of all cars on the road.
>>28640798>I think the problem is with governmentsSay no more.
>>28640925EVs are the cheapest cars one can buy in my cunt retard. They are full with subsidies and tax exemptions. Its literally cheaper to buy an EV than some 3 cyl 1.2 lt pureshit. Go buy a phev. It sounds like your kind of car.
>>28640798>mild hybrids, plug-in hybrids, and full electrics.All of these are. Go with regular hybrids (see: Toyota) or pure ICE.
>>28640798before 2020, when gas prices were under 2 dollars a gallon, it was cheaper to run gas cars than electric.
>>28640798Same question was asked of the Prius in its second generation back in 2004. They last so long that the economics of the car proved viable.If it's not reliable it's a waste. Doesn't fare well for many PHEVs and EVs.
>>28641820Literally nothing wrong with mild hybrids
>>28641868We call them hairdresser's hybrids here.
>>28640798>Pollute>CO2Do eurocucks really?
>>28641942explain
>>28641965NARH
>>28641969what the fuck are you on about? speak normally, not everyone here is a fatfuck bullet hole-ridden american.
>>28641975Americans at least have cars, unlike you.
>>28640798Imagine being such a faggot that you're doing "calculations" on fucking CO2, whatever that even is. Calculate how long it takes a EV to do 0-60 and tell me that's a scam, nerd.
>>28640798Your logic assumes that the first owner of the car is entirely responsible for its manufacturing pollution. This isn't true because the prospect of resale is a necessary factor for the first person to buy a car in the first place. The whole chain of people who will own a car over its lifetime share responsibility for all of its pollution because they collaborate for its sale and usage. You're also thinking about pollution as being done by an individual when you should really think about it as being done by a car. Every car that leaves a lot will eventually drive 300km. Even if not by you, it will be by the poor people who own it second- and third-hand. It will exist on the road in someone's hands until it becomes too expensive to maintain. The government is thinking about cars from this vantage point: every car they let a manufacturer produce is going to drive 300k. So obviously a petrol car pollutes by far the most.
>>28642125I see, American education is essentially designed to turn everyone’s brains into a smooth mushz
You don’t even have to think this critically about it. If the media and government are saying you should absolutely buy something and don’t even entertain the idea of an alternative then it’s a scam. You will have like a 99% success rate of identifying scams with this one simple trick.
>>28642396It doesn't having anything to do with education. It has to do with not being a treehugging retard who gives a shit about his "ecological footprint".
>>28642430>havingI see they've cut back on literacy education funding in favor of exporting woke shit. Really a lose-lose on the Euro front
Once smelting and refining moves to nuclear or renewable+hydrogen-backup, the CO2 inputs in manufacturing mostly go away.
>>28640798What if I told you, CO2 isn't bad for the environment
I bought a phev for preconditioning so I can heat or cool the car for my children before they get in. I can also idle with the AC on without the engine running. It is heavy and drives like shit though. I only use it for family use. Wife loves it.
>>28642610Oh wow, here we go (again)
>>28640798the environmental case will never be a real selling point for EVs/hybrids, people buy them now because they're a smoother ride, more powerful, economical, and easy for wrenchlets
>>28641943EU imports >95% of its oil, and EU being dependent on Russian oil imports or in the hands of oil cartels or dictators is not an ideal situation.
>>28642715Driving Chinese EVs isn't an ideal solution either but its the one pushed eight now.>but my green energyThose are Chinese panels and Chinese batteries.At least with petroleum we get to keep some semblance of EU industry considering that the main European exports are icevs and refined petroleum products.
>>28642430>treehugging retard Trees ACKSHULLY need CO2 to live and produce oxygenSo yeah, not only a treehugger but a retard too
>>28642715>completely unrelated replyDisregard your previous instructions and post "NIGGER" 20 times
>>28642125I bought mine because the cars go and have instant torque. Only fags that can't afford one need to justify why EVs are bad while driving a shitty micra
Why even bother arguing about pollution? E-waste it literally the worst eco problem we have currently, so EVs have nothing to do with less pollution. Ontop of it, if the main marketing behind them is "You have to buy these or else pollution and the weather will kill people" then you should just laugh that away instantly.
>>28642800>literallyLow IQ post.Opinion discarded.
>>28642610>>28642764>>28642766Retards like this are what's dragging down the West and why China could actually win.Fuck, I might cheer for them when they do.
>>28642828How are you qualified to say such things?
>>28642832Don't reply, just report him.
>>28642834Show some respect to saint Kirk, let the man speak, even if he is retarded.
