I do not understand people talking about driving a fast car fast or a slow car fast and the like. To me, that is not what motoring is about. I believe that the peak of motoring is stewardship and keeping a well running car in good order and an impressive state, especially with age. I find myself rather unmoved by seeing lap times and how fast a car can accelerate. Why does it matter in the big picture of things?I do not know, but I, for one, would be much more content just doing as the road signs and handbooks say in a clean car taking in the beauty of nature while going driving peacefully into the countryside.I guess it is a matter of taste, but I would like my viewpoint widened so tell me why should i care about automotive performance, especially since the best looking cars are often some of the gaudiest ones out there (which I am rather not fond of).
I also watch birds, collect train numbers and have a beard.
>>28642502I share your view anon. All that stuff can be fun, but having a well-running old car is something entirely different. I have two classic cars and live in a country region that's nothing but mountain forests in one direction and small towns and farmland in the other direction and the greatest joy in life I have is just going down backroads and state highways in one of my cars with good music playing. I feel like a man from a different time.
>>28642512>I also watch birdCorrect, this is my favorite picture, excuse the low quality.The other two are a negative, but I do collect aircraft registrations, which is close enough. >>28642514It is a lovely experience, though I do not own a classic. I wish to one day have one of my own.
>>28642502Some people like cars, some people like driving. You like cars.
>>28642566I never made the distinction, or rather, I never really though to make the distinction. Would you mind elaborating a bit more?
>>28642502>why should i care about automotive performanceI've owned and still own a few classics, so I also resonate with your appreciation of pristine cars of old, but I can't shake the need to speed. For some it's just about looking the part, despite them never actually driving fast at all (see 99% of all Porsche drivers on the road), but for me it's all about how it makes you feel and the excitement you gain from it. A fast modern car like a Lambo or Ferrari doesn't do much for me, mainly because it feels quite placid despite the speed, but an extremely rapid and raw car, like an Ariel Atom, is unbelievably fun to drive. Every single fibre of your being is laser focused on driving that car, and it's impossible to get distracted from it. It's one of the biggest adrenaline rushes I've ever had in my life, and if you're not a confident driver at speed, then I could understand why that sort of experience wouldn't appeal to someone, as no doubt it would be extremely stressful, but sweet Jesus did I love every second of driving that car.
>>28642502chat gpt spacing
>>28642586>Ariel AtomThis is a good point. The Atom is closer to being a motorbike with four wheels, in a sense (which does pay tribute to the companies heritage, I guess).I was a bit more daring growing up with my bicycle (my parents would not allow me to go out and get a motorbike), so this could be what killed it. It is not as if my motorbike of choice would have been a good choice, anyway (bringing one of picrel stateside, I always liked Norton motorbikes and 1952 was one of the years that they won the Isle of Man TT in 500 and 350 class races, but I would have been open to 1947-1954, though the Big 4 was a 633cc motorbike).In a sense, I would like to become more comfortable driving fast, but I have no place to do that safely, the interstates are full of 18 wheelers and my last venturing on the highway got my car, as well as myself sprayed with the exhaust of a particularly rich diesel engine. How would I do this on a (relatively low) budget. The budget constraints will go away, but I am saving up as much of my family is quite old and I want to make sure that I am able to pay any expenses when their time comes.Do you have any pictures of the Atom?>>28642603Kek.
>>28642502Motoring is about actually driving the car, something 90% of this board doesn't do.
>>28642638Well, it is said that most of this board rides the bus. I am glad that I never had that misfortune. Not to say that I drive anything remarkable, but it is what I own and therefore, I am satisfied with it.
>>28642616>How would I do this on a (relatively low) budgetThe only truly safe (and legal) way is by attending track days, and maybe look into getting tuition. Not sure how it works across the pond, but the company I use for my track days here in the UK offer a free 30 minute tuition session with a professional racing driver, should you so wish to want it. The car you use doesn't have to be anything mega special, but whatever you use will need a decent set of track/fast road brake pads and some racing brake fluid, just to stave off brake fade. Once that's sorted, the only worries you'll have will be related to your own abilities.>Do you have any pictures of the Atom?Pic rel, only this one poor quality screenshot from the dash cam footage of the event. Was identical to this, though - https://www.arielmotor.co.uk/used-ariel-vehicles/atom-3-5-310/
>>28642657>Not to say that I drive anything remarkableNeither do I but I don't larp or benchrace like all the other retards on this board do. I feel like, despite there being no real reason for, this board has been taken over by zoombeasts who unironically believe a 500 HP car is slow and most people own a new $50k sports car so anyone with a realistically attainable for the average person car is a poorfag. I 100% understand why oldfags don't bother anymore.
>>28642728I need to research my local tracks, but unfortunately, the ones nearest me are fairly well known, so chances are that it is going to be expensive. >>28642741>500>SlowMy car makes 190 and that is plenty. Power is not everything. Unfortunately, I am a part of the younger crowd and it is not just 4Chan, they are like this in real life too (plus a lot of ricers), which is why I tend to keep to myself. Stancing, slamming and bench racing is not my thing. The only bench racing I would consider would be slot cars as that crowd is a bunch of nice guys, but now I am going in a bit of a tangent.
>>28643020>it is not just 4Chan, they are like this in real life tooIt's because 4chan and increasingly the world at large is full of dissatisfied people that are unhappy with their lives, have nothing to look forward to, and have accomplished nothing. The only thing that they can do is find the smallest, slightest one-up they have on someone else and bask in it because they have literally nothing else going on for themselves. Lots of people are repulsed by this and wind up finding people that don't act this way, whether that's by sequestering in specific threads, leaving boards entirely, or going outside and finding groups of people that aren't insufferable that they won't openly advertise or invite people to unless they know for a fact they aren't a shitter.
>>28642502Bait post but I still agree.
>>28643058>It's because 4chan and increasingly the world at large is full of dissatisfied people that are unhappy with their lives, have nothing to look forward to, and have accomplished nothing.Ironic for a hobby board. I would think that having a car would make most people happy enough, but that is just me. I tend to juggle a lot of hobbies as it stands and I like it that way. It does not mean that I am "good" at them, but people think that I am good enough and if I am happy and it makes other people happy, then that is all that matters.> Lots of people are repulsed by this and wind up finding people that don't act this way, whether that's by sequestering in specific threads, leaving boards entirely, or going outside and finding groups of people that aren't insufferable that they won't openly advertise or invite people to unless they know for a fact they aren't a shitter.That is what the radio control "club" (not an actual club), is for us. We go down to the park and fly and pretend that it is still 2015 and there is no need to register your models, let alone have the government mandated tracking device installed (sorry if this sounds a bit schizophrenic, but the device is called RemoteID in the US and it is FAA/FBI monitoring). The RC guys on /diy/ are a good bunch (there is maybe about five of us, two plane guys, two buggy guys and a car guy, there used to be a crawler guy, but he is off-line for good) if you are interested in that sort of thing. The mainstream RC community at large are a bunch of bench racers too, if they are not boomers.Also, the formal clubs suck ass with the amount of rules that they have (for example you can only fly for five minutes and only between 9:00 and 17:00 for ICEs).>>28643076I don't see the bait, I just did not really get it. This has wound up being surprisingly comfy. I was half expecting a shitstorm.
>>28642512>beardOnions
>>28642502>stewardship and keeping a well running car in good order and an impressive statetoo spooky, car ownership involves high chance of getting rammed by an SUV or looted / stolen, random tree falling on it, shed catching fire.>rather unmoved by seeing lap times and how fast a car can accelerate.yea, its something that one can acclimatise to, its farely boring when things are going well.>taking in the beauty of nature while going driving peacefully into the countrysideehh, any speed higher than 20 mph and your mostly taking in things visually, idk maybe you live in a constable painting.>>28643020>tfw 100 hp used to be dankmind that was back when the average car weighed less than a ton and had tires with biscuit proportions.>190 and that is plentyonly just sufficient for passing, too many phycos on the road.I think a 1.5 ton land barge needs 300 hp, if saddled with an old torque converter, much less when using an 8 or 10 speed gearbox.
>>28645511I am surprised to still see this thread in the catalog.>too spooky, car ownership involves high chance of getting rammed by an SUV or looted / stolen, random tree falling on it, shed catching fire.There is always that risk, but driving carefully and avoiding major roadways helps mitigate that. Then again, if it is just a well maintained econobox, most people would not go for it, when looking to steal something (car thieves, especially joyriders would much rather a Challenger or 3 series to a 10 year old Honda or Toyota). Of course, that implies that anything of note would be reserved as a weekend car, which I know is not always something realistic. Most of the people that I know who own an older car tend to be engineers or general contractors and only drive said car on the weekends (if that car runs...), whereas someone who works in a warehouse probably just drives a simple car to get from a to b and back.>I think a 1.5 ton land barge needs 300 hp, if saddled with an old torque converter, much less when using an 8 or 10 speed gearbox.This is fair, everything is relative to size and weight. What I meant was that, to me, at the very least, a relatively light, manual sports car (especially a modern one, but really most since the 1970s fit the bill with what I am describing) with 350+ HP is just not something that I would appreciate throwing around and squeezing out anything more than a quarter of its performance. It probably is just not having the track mentality (which I probably would have more of with a motorbike).That is a very lovely example of an Alfetta, by the way, would you mind posting more pictures?
