And how do we stop or block it?
>>28642824Just behave your're self and your'l be fine
Good thing they took down the old cellular networks around here, I guess.
>>28642824Privacy laws that should've been introduced 20 years ago.
>>28642829Mate, they are literally assembling data about you, without your permission, qithout even a hint of 2nd order benefits to you, and then some dipshit will steal it and use it for absolute bullshit like getting multiple credit cards in your name.You're trusting these assholdes to hold God knows what information when half these chucklefucks can't even hold eye contact when they order a coffee.
>>28642839>qithout even a hint of 2nd order benefits to youThe benefits are a safer world for all of us.This is how we defeat terrorism once and for all.Withholding your're data is unamerican.>Someone will steal our dataThats the price of success.The road to freedom is littered with the bodies of the innocent.
>>28642843Are you a robot. Issac Assimov said you have to tell me if you are.
>>28642839>they are literally assembling data about you, without your permission, qithout even a hint of 2nd order benefits to youDon't forget they are selling your data to third parties and making money off of your data and you're not getting any discounts for this.
literally how, modern cars have mics for the hands free phone call shit but i have never seen one with a camera aimed at the driver
>>28642847No.And, what have you got to hide anyway?Don't you want to catch the terrorists?
>>28642856>Don't you want to catch the terrorists?Not with that false positive rate.
>>28642858Just have to set an acceptable crossover error rate.This is not rocket science.
>>28642860>This is not rocket science.Point me at your analysis company so I can short it, please.
>>28642861>Thinking you can turn this oil tanker.Lol, lmao.This is the panopticon that we all live in.It cannot be changed now.You never answered, what have you got to hide?Don't you want to catch terrorists?Just drive properly, and behave like a good citizen.
>>28642868>what have you got to hide?
my nisssan is 12 years oldI have shared some thoughts in my car with some people beforeThink they know?
>>28642882Then relax... Its not like you are a bad driver. Right anon?
>>28642885Were you giving or recieving those thoughts?
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>>28642898>20 limitYes? Not sure what the problem is here, these are everywhere.
>>28642838>Privacy laws that should've been introduced 20 years ago.Wonder what kind of chaos the EU GDPR cause at these companies.I used to do a bit of contract work for an industrial vehicle IoT project. Pretty small scale compared to passenger cars, but the US suits went into full panic as they slowly realized what the new directive meant for their "data lake", which was apparently a bunch of servers holding all the data they could possibly collect through the telemetry units.I'm not sure if they ever managed to use the data for anything, as it wasn't in a particularly structured format. They just collected everything just in case it'd be useful for marketing, analytics, training AI or something later.Far as I know the data was nuked entirely, as they couldn't even tell which records were from EU customers, which made the whole ad-hoc database a giant liability.
>>28642901>Wonder what kind of chaos the EU GDPR cause at these companiesNone, its legitimate interest, same as facial recognition in stores.
>>28642900You really believe, outside school zones or other extremely heavy pedestrian areas, that you should not be trusted to brake safely in a 30km/h neighborhood?
>>28642852the newest self driving systems have an eye tracker camera that lets you take your hands off the wheel so long as you are looking at the roadchevy/ford are the ones I know about but there are probably others that have driver alertness monitors
>>28642903No shit dude but we still have to purge data upon request.
>>28642824My car doesn't have any of that but my phones in my car when I am so someone has it all anyways. It's basically over desu
>>28642906What exactly are you asking here?>you should not be trusted to brake safelyYou are trusted to brake safely, that's why you are given a license.If you drive poorly, speeding, for example, you lose that trust.If you drive properly, you should be happy to have your data collected, as it would be evidence that you are a good driver.
>>28642909Its just data discovery and classification.Any company worth its salt achieved this in 2018.COTS DDC tools are cheap and readily available.
>>28642856The definition of who's a terrorist is ever-changing. You only accept it right now because you fall outside of that definition. When those in power decide that who you are or what you support is treacherous, you'll wish you'd fought back to begin with. That is assuming of course that you stand for anything, which you likely don't. Good goy
>>28642919Not going to lie, your post makes you sound like one of those antifa terrorists.And you posted it on a well known honeypot.First prize.
>>28642933Not at all, can't stand those people. But I'm smart enough to know that the pendulum swings both ways.
>>28642843Go away, CIA
>>28642913You sound like a solution salesman. No one outside maybe finanical i stitutions hace that centralized data or that strong of governance. Everyone is move fast and break stuff now. Everyone has data silos legal in unaware of. And it's only going to get worse because now everyone needs a db view because their MCP has to be as fast as possible.
>>28642903>its legitimate interest, same as facial recognition in storesYeah, they could argue that they have a legitimate interest to collect the data for improving the product or providing some additional service based on the collected data. Even if the "service" is just direct marketing.If they have a tool they can use when someone requests their own data, or manages to get through a request that it should be deleted, they're likely compliant, if only barely.The "data lake" (more like toxic data dump) was problematic because they had no fucking idea what they were even going to do with all of it, so the legitimate interest argument was invalid.And if someone had asked the company to delete their personal data, well, I'm not sure if that was even possible.
>>28642824Drive an older car.
>>28642824>unplug/cut mic>unplug/cut radio and gps antenna wiresWhoaaaaaaaaa
>>28642824What do you have to hide?
>>28642824my car doesn't collect any data at all.
All it takes is a 4-year regime change and suddenly something you said 15 years ago makes you a terrorist.You say something racist? Terrorist.You say racism is bad? Terrorist.You support truth in medical research? Terrorist.You aren't a muslim? Terrorist.You like drinking alcohol at home? Terrorist.You liked that one band in high school? Terrorist....Great job protecting personal freedoms guys.
>>28643263shut the fuck up, terrorist
>>28642960HYB CEASE YOUR INVESTIGATIONS
>>28642824Hyundai got sued a year or two ago for the tracking driving habits and selling it to insurance companies, and now they have that banned.Also, only self driving cars have cameras inside the car watching your face/eyes.But yeah a lot have your entire travel history, and can be pulled by police to see if/when you drove to a house that got shot at/burned down whatever
>>28643296>Also, only self driving cars have cameras inside the car watching your face/eyes.You're waaaay off. A few years ago one of the big yearly bills included a law making "driver impairment" detection systems mandatory by 2026. >Section 24220 of the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA), signed into law in November 2021. Instead of going with breathalyzer interlocks, tech companies convinced auto manufacturers that mics and cameras with "AI" software were the way to go because they could comply with the law AND sell consumer data. That bill is still active and many car companies have it installed already, though it appears the bill has (maybe) been somewhat forgotten and or ignored. It's still a thing that automakers and governments are pursuing and technically is still mandatory in a few months on all cars sold in the US.Quite a few cars already have driver-facing cameras installed, not just self-driving ones.
>>28642960>>28643296Your whereabouts are still being tracked, logged, and sold every time you're out on the road. It's only getting worse.https://deflock.me/map
>>28642903>LegitimateMy ass, disable it all whenever i come across that bullshit
>>28642824My manufacturer is not on that list.There is a reason for that.
what do you do to make phone towers not see your phone when you drive or is putting it inside a lead box more suspicious than just leaving it home
>>28643534Faraday bag. Schizos say it'll drop inertia data once it gets connection but that's a meme imo. There's no way to link that to a location afaik.
I drive an old car, too, but I want to be able to buy cars in the future. Driver monitoring systems are required by federal US law within 4 months on all new cars unless something happens. Don't forget, we have a regime change every 4 years, anything can become the next boogeyman.>>28643534I bought a phone just last month with the newest Android that can do anything $1k phones can - but it cost $35 and you can simply remove the back panel and battery. There are still phones like that. Get a sub-$60 "pre-paid" phone at wall market and just put an active non-prepaid SIM from that carrier into it. Just remove the battery when you don't want to be tracked. Alternatively you can just pull the SIM from whatever fancy phone you have, turn off wifi scanning, and it can't be tracked through most methods.It won't do much for you because, as mentioned, all new cars have their own SIM cards sending data and there are automatic license plate scanners absolutely everywhere now - police cars, intersections, utility poles all track anything with a license plate.
>>28642824STOP BUYING NEW CARS
>>28642824Best you can do is either buy a rig that doesn't have this. If you do have a spy car, you can figure out how to rip out the antenna so ti can't call home. Or you have to manually opt out of fucking everything and hope just maybe they'll keep their word.
>>28643541>just pull the SIM from whatever fancy phone you have, turn off wifi scanning, and it can't be tracked through most methods.Doesn't work. Even without a SIM the phone still beacons out to cell towers. 911 still works without a SIM, the phones still "talk" without it. SIM is just a highly secure proof of subscription, it's not a critical component whatsoever.
>>28643536>Schizos say it'll drop inertia dataphone accelerometers are too imprecise to be an IMU. if you drove around for more than 5 minutes they'd have no fucking idea where you were because it's so imprecise. Gyros and accelerometers have random drift and noise that costs $$$$$ (and ft^3) to remove.
>>28643594>IMUinertial nav*
>>28642843No it means that your insurance goes up because your car noticed a health condition before you weren't aware of, while politicians keep sexually trafficking little kids
>>28642852The new Ford F150s have cameras in the mirrors. Data gets sent to an Israeli company. All modern vehicles also have a bluetooth radio with a range longer than normal that advertises your car's bluetooth id, sort of like a wireless license plate.
>>28642839>like getting multiple credit cards in your nameI'd like to see them try. I can't even get one in my name now.
>BiometricsWhat do they need my heart rate for?
>>28645563To see if you are a calm driver
>>28642843>You have no natural right to privacy goyim. Just shut up and let us spy on you every waking hour and collect data on you.
>>28642824Nigga just buy a used car with decent mileage.
>>28646571What counts as "decent" these days? 100k? 200k?
