Why are my tax paying dollars doing all this over someone who's just gonna kill themselves and nobody else like a car?

Fucking copters? For kids? Fuck all that money why not throw down the cartel or some shit

police brutality

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>>28648540
looks like he...
...got ahead of himself.

>>28648561
>why don't 3 cops from bumfuck georgia just overthrow the government of mexico

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>>28648573
i'm saving this in my cringe folder

>>28648575
>Do you REALLY think this is a wise way to spend OUR money?

>>28648540
What's the point in even chasing motorcyclists? Whatever small hazzard they cause to the public is just increased 10 fold when getting chased by police in 3 full sized cop cars and SUVs

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>>28648580
if you can't stand the heat maybe you should head home

>right on front of the post office
how convenient
mail him to the cemetery

>>28648612
And that somehow doesn't apply when chasing someone in a car?

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>>28648612
so, i get to get away with anything cause im on a motorcycle? seems legit, bruv. this was the best possible outcome for society.

>>28648656
it does lol. cops who chase cars around town or city streets have a big fucking ego

>>28648582
you either enforce the law or you don't. if you let certain criminals get away with it because "it's not worth pursuing", you end up with 80s NYC or modern day SF where entire neighborhoods are no-go zones because criminals went unopposed for so long that the entire population gave up on trying to keep things clean and safe and turned to crime themselves because there was no reason not to.

>>28648561
Police around here are told not to pursue a motorcycle or car in residential areas emphasis on motorcycles.
In typical cop fashion their egos refuse to follow procedure.
ACAB.
>>28648777
Speeding isn't worth a life of the driver or a person if they are hit in pursuit.
This is what happens when you scrape the bottom of the barrel looking for cops.

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>>28648573
I guess he'll never be the head of a major corporation

typical squid

>>28648540
>Motorcyclist loses his head
skill issue

>>28648612
>What's the point in even chasing motorcyclists?
So that they attempt to run, fuck up, and smear 180 lbs of blood and gore across half a mile of pavement. Not only is the chase done, you'll never have to chase him ever again.

>>28648878
yes speeding isn't worth the life so why did the biker chose death? If you can't get away that's a skill issue and you're a lil bitch if you want to cry about pursuit policy. Maybe the biker should have checked his ego

>>28648540
cops need to stop chasing retards for minor offensives.
they do more damage than the suspect ever could
>endanger everyone around them when they pit
>cause enormous property damage
>cause damage to stolen vehicle
>rack up unnecessary charges to the suspect
>sent out "everyone" to waste their time dealing with their own mess
all this for fleeing a bar tab

favstian as fvck, you golems would never understand

Man it's funny how easily you can spot the motorcyclists in the thread.

>>28648938
or maybe losers need to stop driving illegally and running from the police?

>>28648878
>Speeding isn't worth a life of the driver or a person if they are hit in pursuit.
People who flee from police usually have a bigger reason that avoiding a fine/license points, and the ones who don't have a bigger reason are so fucking retarded that it's worth hunting them down and putting them in prison for a decade JUST for fleeing at high speed.

>>28648938
>they do more damage than the suspect ever could
If cops stopped chasing people the amount of damage the criminal element would do to the country would eventually exceed GDP. If chases were banned, everyone would run. If everyone ran zero laws could be enforced. When zero laws can be enforced, no rights can be enforced either. When no rights can be enforced, no investment happens.

They should show graphic images of dead retards, or incarcerated crippled retards, to everyone who applies for a driver's license, and next to their images the petty reason they had for fleeing. If you flee from police you actually deserve EXACTLY what happens, and your maiming/death isn't a cost to society, it's a benefit. These people are literally more valuable dead or disabled than they are able-bodied, because as an able-bodied person they willingly endangered themselves and those around them. Don't quote the medical/incarceration costs at me, that's money spent preventing the next person from repeating the course of action.

Also causing death while fleeing should be a capital crime, and in cases where everything's on camera there shouldn't be a decades-long appeal process.

>>28648942
Yep. Too easy. I deal with those retards all the time when they need trauma surgery.

>>28648938
It's not about the biker, it's about sending a message.

If they got his fucking plate, no reason to initiate pursuit. Just go meet him at his house. Blah blah blah depressed Russians, not the severity but the surety, etc.

If it's dipshits folding up they're plate and looking for an actual chase? Accidents will filter out the shitty riders and the rest get their fun, until a trooper kills someone anyway.

>>28649029
lmao

>>28648931
Cop suckers are the worst.

>>28649005
>People who flee from police usually have a bigger reason that avoiding a fine/license points
And that cop could make that determination with the guys license plate and didn't.
Low IQ cops are too stupid to reason.

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>>28649029
>Just go meet him at his house
You're a fucking moron.
Proove that I was the one driving my car last Thursday.

Everyone crying over this and saying the cops shouldnt have been chasing him are scumbags themselves.
If you want to live in a favela then move to Brazil.

>>28649046
>the guys license plate
Because bikes never get stolen, right?
God damn youre stupid.

>>28649048
>Proove that I was the one driving my car last Thursday.
Lawyer up, buddy. Have fun with that shit.

>>28649051
Yes and the thief always has a helmet at the ready, you know just in case.

>>28648777
>you either enforce the law or you don't.
Not saying that what the biker did was good but the simple solution to this is to grab the guy's plates and serve him later. This is what cops are told to do. It's safer not only for the cops and the offender but also for the general public.

The reason why it's "not worth pursuing" is because while in this instance the biker killed himself, there are plenty of instances where a cop chases someone over a traffic violation and slams into a bystander or innocent driver.

Enforcing the law is fine, but if that enforcement comes at the cost of ruining or ending someone else's life, then it isn't. "You either enforce the law or you don't" is the kind of thinking that results in antics like SWAT wrecking innocent people's neighborhoods and houses and then stiffing them on the bill when their livelihoods are destroyed, which is the pinnacle of tyrannical governance and should not be tolerated.

>>28649071
>"not worth pursuing"
Why are there so many niggers and spics itt?

There was a time when horse thieves were hanged.

>>28649071
Explaining common sense to retards who are stupider than the cops the fellate is fruitless.

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>>28649048
>Proove that I was the one driving my car last Thursday.

So what are you gonna do, say that your family member / friend / neighbor was driving your car and when they inevitably send a letter to court saying "fuck no, also fuck that bastard for pinning this on me" are you gonna make some shit up?

"I'll just lie in court" is the reasoning of people that can't think more than 3 minutes into the future.

>>28649078
Apparently unlike you all those people can read. Did you notice the part where I said you can SERVE THEM LATER instead of terrorizing your local community? Or are you in favor of the cops pit-flipping pregnant women for not pulling over on bridges with a full median-delete package?

>>28649082
The person you are arguing with is probably a cop.
So no, he can't read.

>>28649078
This ain't fucking horse thieving. That shit deprived you of the ability to not starve, which is the why they hanged you. Driving like a shitbag is a misdemeanor at the most. Some of you guys just want to go death penalty for anything north of a parking violation with zero consideration for 2nd order effects on bystanders.

>>28649046
>And that cop could make that determination with the guys license plate
In your utopia where everyone can run, no-one has valid plates and everyone obliterates their chassis/body VINs. The reason anyone obeys these laws is because 99.9% of people will never flee from police, so there are enough policing resources to pursue and impound vehicles with fictitious plates. If the risk of fleeing police is near-zero, and the cost of stopping is your vehicle is impounded, then obviously the correct decision for your personal benefit is to flee.

You are either too stupid to grasp second-order effects, or you're practising the tactic of just pretending not to know things, or not to reason basic things from things you can't pretend not to know. When people put a sticker-price on a police chase, and then refuse to even acknowledge the possibility that police chases have an effect on behavior, there's nothing you can say to such a person, they're not debating with you, they're just telling you what they want.

In that spirit of mutual demands I'll just lay it out; you want the ability for people to flee from police; I want the police to wrap fleeing vehicles around a telephone poles, bounce them off drainage embankments, send them hurtling at 100mph directly into bridge foundations.

>>28649099
>The reason anyone obeys these laws is because 99.9% of people will never flee from police
Dunno about that one, chief.

>>28649099
The retardation of thinking that huge swaths of the public will be able to get away with plate faking aside, the entire point is that you go after people who cause problems repeatedly instead of chasing a guy down and pitting him because he decided to run / take too long to pull over for your personal liking. If there's a constantly-reported terror or known fuckass who's always terrorizing people, sure, chase him. There's a difference between that and chasing a guy for speeding a single time or whatever, especially since the vast majority of people do not run fake plates.

If the entire point of highway patrol is to make roads safer, then if a policy is ACTIVELY IMPEDING THIS GOAL then you should change the policy. The numbers have been crunched and it turns out that pursuing for minor offenses is less safe than letting those offenders be served later. Arguing otherwise isn't arguing for public safety, which is the point of law enforcement in the first place, it's arguing for Cowboy Bullshit under the guise of "enforcement."

>>28649117
>If the entire point of highway patrol is to make roads safer
In theory. Reality is people support law enforcement and incarceration because they want people who break the rules punished. Preferably a lot. I don't think Joe T. Sixpack actually cares if crime goes up or down until it spills over into his life.

And as far as I can tell, our policies laregly reflect what the people want.

>>28649124
>they want people who break the rules punished
except nobody actually knows what the rules are and midwits just like seeing people who aren't them get beat up

>>28649132
I take a pretty dim view of my fellow average Walmart shopper, but not quite that dim.

>>28649142
i take it you are not a wrestling or mma fan

>>28649048
>prove that I was the one driving my car last thursday
there's plenty of ways to identify you personally while driving. you're too stupid to know that because you're hell bent on trying to turn our penal code into your hypothetical Judge Dredd puke-topia. Even disregarding the obvious slippery slope of giving the police state even more power, they shouldn't have the power you want them to have because they are meant to apprehend and that's it. You're wanting them to have defacto execution powers? You're a sick fuck and most likely a little dicked cop or former cop that didn't get to use his gun as much as he wanted.

>>28649117
>The retardation of thinking that huge swaths of the public will be able to get away with plate faking aside
See, this is what I'm talking about. You don't own a screwdriver? You're pretending not to know that plates can be stolen? You're pretending not to know that when on private property plates can be legally absent and so therefore cops can't prove a plateless vehicle is the same one they saw with a stolen/fake plate hours earlier?
>the entire point is that you go after people who cause problems repeatedly
How do you magically know who the occupants of a vehicle are if they hit the gas and your policies forbid chasing? This again is the total absence of EXTREMELY BASIC REASONING.
>especially since the vast majority of people do not run fake plates.
The vast majority of people don't run fake plates TODAY, in a reality where police CAN CHASE PEOPLE, and the public at large are COGNISANT OF THIS FACT. If the public become convinced that the police can't chase vehicles, BEHAVIOR WILL CHANGE.

Here's what will actually make police chases rare;
>no bail if there is continuous dashcam/bodycam video of the incident from chase to capture, establishing the correct custody of arrestee
>harsh mandatory minimums for fleeing with a vehicle (5 for fleeing at speed, 10 for reckless endangerment, 15 for actual bodily harm)
>fleeing charges must be sentenced consecutive to anything else arising from the same incident
That would drastically reduce the occurrence of people fleeing. Teach it in schools, make it a series of questions people must answer correctly (in written sentences) on licensing exams. Make it known to everyone that fleeing immediately lands you with a 5 year felony and your lawyer can't do shit to negotiate it.

>but what about police impersonators falsely stopping people?
Execute them.

>>28648540
They don't even show it. Gay ass video

>>28649171
The issue is that your "extremely basic reasoning" does not hold up IN THE REAL WORLD.

The majority of people, anywhere, in any country, with any set of traffic laws, are not scratching their VINs. They're not stealing plates or buying fake ones. They're not taking the plates off their cars every night. And despite what you might think, they're not doing it because they fear getting a traffic ticket and want to get out of it, they're not doing it because for the vast majority of people on earth this shit is too much work and it isn't worth it. The vast majority of people are going to work, the store, school / college, and back home. They aren't epic cop dodgers that will fake their plates so they can get to their slop job 10 minutes faster.

You are a Cowboy LARPer that wrongly assumes that the rest of the world is also full of Cowbow LARPers, and the data doesn't bear this out. If you're this concerned about this shit you should be advocating for spamming speeding cameras all over every road in America, since that's going to be way more effective at not only busting speeders and fake plate users, but also tracking them everywhere they go, making intercepting them way easier since you can't outrun a radio. I wonder why you haven't advocated for that; Is it because you don't actually believe anything and are parroting whatever dumb bullshit you've heard elsewhere?

>>28649005
>if chases were banned, everyone would run
I'm a motorcyclist and this is true. I would never get involved with an actual police chase, especially not for a mundane speeding ticket, because that would be downright retarded. But if a cop lit me up in NJ on my bike I would just drive away and not even bother being reckless about it. Furthermore, knowing this fact causes me to completely ignore traffic laws because I know they won't even bother. I ride without a plate and ignore red lights, drive on medians and grass, lane split, drive on the sidewalk, etc, with no consequences. But I would never do any of this in Georgia.

>>28649171
>harsh mandatory minimums for fleeing with a vehicle (5 for fleeing at speed, 10 for reckless endangerment, 15 for actual bodily harm)

Nothing quite like going to jail for 5 years because a cop decided that you were "fleeing at speed" because you decided to pull over at a well-lit gas station and not immediately in the dark at the side of the road where he can molest you.

Next you'll advocate for mandatory minimums when you don't tell a cop "thank you, sir" after he shoots your dog and fucks your wife.

>>28648777
It's not even 80s NYC, it's modern day NYC. You got YouTube channels dedicated to running from cops and driving recklessly in traffic.

>>28649185
He's right and you're wrong and there is data in the real world which substantiates his claim. The majority of motorcyclists in no-chase states who are interested in speeding ride without plates and don't follow any road laws because they know there are no consequences. For me the biggest benefit is not paying any tolls but I also enjoy running red lights and driving on the sidewalk because it's fun. These benefits are common sense for anyone with 3 brain cells to enjoy, you don't need to be a criminal mastermind to take the plate off

>>28649224
>Source: my ass

>>28649224
>The majority of motorcyclists in no-chase states who are interested in speeding ride without plates and don't follow any road laws because they know there are no consequences.
This is like saying the majority of gun-using criminals will have illegal guns. Yeah, no shit. The point is that this is not reflective of the VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE and chasing this almost-irrelevant minority instead of using alternative methods to ensure public safety is needless, expensive, and puts innocent people at risk. Your average "WILL RUN" retard is going to be a minority of cyclists on the road and is going to continue to be a minority of cyclists on the road because—and I know being a 4chan poster makes this difficult to understand—most normal people Are Not Antisocial Retards and have enough going on in their lives to not see breaking traffic laws as their primary method of having fun.

>>28649099
Years of donuts and sirens has turned you retarded

>>28649198
>Nothing quite like going to jail for 5 years because a cop decided that you were "fleeing at speed"
>"CAMERAS DON'T EXIST GUYS! YOU CAN'T KNOW THINGS! THINGS CAN'T BE DETERMINED IT'S JUST A COP'S WORD IN COURT!"
Once again just employing the tactic of pretending not to know anything. Every cop car has cameras, and if I had my way they'd also (if they don't already) have black boxes to determine their own speed independently.
And like I fucking said in my post; if there isn't continuous video footage of the incident then you should be eligible for bail, and if you in fact didn't respond to flashing lights with speeding up and attempting to escape, then you will not be convicted.
>>28649171
>>no bail if there is continuous dashcam/bodycam video of the incident from chase to capture, establishing the correct custody of arrestee
The whole point of this is because people who FLEE FROM POLICE have demonstrated a willingness to FLEE FROM POLICE. These people will fail to show up for court, and when the police go looking for them, THEY'LL DO IT AGAIN.

>>28649185
>The issue is that your "extremely basic reasoning" does not hold up IN THE REAL WORLD.
Then explain the method by which police determine the identities of those occupying a vehicle they never caught. I'm curious on how the real world works, so start there please.

>>28649272
>Every cop car has cameras
*that they can turn off
*that police departments actively hide from defendants and the public when it makes them look bad
*that """""malfunction""""" on the regular to save their asses
*that the state often conveniently ignores in order to put innocents in the hole forever

do you get off to cops fucking your wife?

>>28649272
>Then explain the method by which police determine the identities of those occupying a vehicle they never caught. I'm curious on how the real world works, so start there please.

>take plate
>go to address of plate
>serve offender when the vehicle appears

They say "it wasn't me!"
>who was it then?
>find supposed responsible party; ask for alibi and gather evidence
>if one is presented, charge the liar for lying in court

They don't show up:
>you know where their car's parked, arrest them next time.

You know, the way most legal proceedings go? And if you think that's too much, then, well, like I said, put up speeding cameras on every street in America. And like I said, this is for MINOR INFRACTIONS. If someone is doing something outrageous or does something multiple times like going hog-wild in a known location without plates, then fucking chase them. Again, it's clear you don't actually care about any of this and just want Cowboy Shit to happen. Just say that.

>>28649224
>The majority of motorcyclists in no-chase states who are interested in speeding ride without plate
I would be surprised if it's even 5% of the motorcycle riders that do this, even in no-chase states. The little man arguing wanting to execute people wants the american police, arguably the dumbest demographic of any group on the planet, to make the decision to use deadly use of force by chasing a 5-600 lbs bike in a 5,200lbs car in the general public.

>>28649171
>no bail if there is continuous dashcam/bodycam video of the incident from chase to capture, establishing the correct custody of arrestee
>harsh mandatory minimums for fleeing with a vehicle (5 for fleeing at speed, 10 for reckless endangerment, 15 for actual bodily harm)
>fleeing charges must be sentenced consecutive to anything else arising from the same incident
let's say I usually obey the speed limit but find a good open road with no traffic or houses, and send my 200hp bike up to 130mph for a split second just to feel the power. As I do, I pass a cop in the bushes, he engages, and my general speed is enough for him to lose sight in a few turns. The cop now thinks I'm eluding and I never even seen him posted up like a rat. He catches up to me because I slowed down because I only wanted to get on it in a safe spot and nowhere else, gets on his PA to tell me to quit running. In this scenario, I know the gestapo state just enacted your proposed rules and know that I will get a minimum 5 YEARS for a simple mistake that hurt literally no one. What am I to do? I'm going to take my chances and run. This isn't far from the truth of everyday riders and I've been in a similar predicament myself.

>>28649276
>*that they can turn off
Bail-eligibility.
>*that police departments actively hide from defendants and the public when it makes them look bad
Discovery problem for the prosecution.
>*that """""malfunction""""" on the regular to save their asses
Discovery problem for the prosecution.
>*that the state often conveniently ignores in order to put innocents in the hole forever
Discovery problem for the prosecution.

Traffic tickets are often charged purely on a cop's testimony, 5 year felonies aren't. Also if I had my way speed guns would have date/time metadata and a camera so a cop's word would need to conform to the actual evidence.

>>28649292
>Bail-eligibility.
i love having to pay the government money for my freedom because a cop said so and remaining in jail if i'm too poor!
>Discovery problem for the prosecution.
because we all know police departments are super forthcoming and provide all evidence for their fuckups without protracted legal battles totaling hundreds of thousands of dollars if at all, right?

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>If there's even a ONE percent chance that a driver running from a traffic stop is a rapist or a bank robber then we need to take it as an ABSOLUTE certainty.
>Speaking of absolute certainties, did you know that cops and state prosecutors never lie?

>>28649284
>>take plate
>>go to address of plate
>>serve offender when the vehicle appears
With what? A traffic ticket? You didn't stop the vehicle, so the only crimes you could have observed are traffic/equipment violations. You're dedicating some police officer's entire afternoon staking out an address for a ticket.

>They say "it wasn't me!"
>>who was it then?
>>find supposed responsible party; ask for alibi and gather evidence
>>if one is presented, charge the liar for lying in court
Criminal gangs will have stolen cars used by several people and each person might not know what others did in it. By the time you catch someone in the car it's been used in crimes probably chargeable for 50-100 years across 10-20 people, but you get the guy driving it for possession of a stolen vehicle and everything else just gets dropped. That's how things ACTUALLY work in places like Chicago.

>>28649289
>scenario
The cop's video will not show you increasing your speed in reaction to his engagement, which is what fleeing is, you need to prove intent.

Like I've said, now for the 5th or so time; I want the cops to need their ducks in a row BEFORE the first bail hearing.

>>28649322
>You're dedicating some police officer's entire afternoon staking out an address for a ticket.
Then.
Put.
Up.
Speeding.
Cameras.
On.
Every.
Street.
In.
America.

I literally preempted your entire post with my final paragraph. It's clear you're a concern-trolling parrot and you're wasting my time.

>By the time you catch someone in the car it's been used in crimes probably chargeable for 50-100 years
mfw WILL RUNers are using Model T's

You're an idiot.

>>28649325
>>28649322
>>By the time you catch someone in the car it's been used in crimes probably chargeable for 50-100 years
I realize after posting this that I misinterpreted what you meant here, but this isn't how this works anyway. If a car is stolen, you report it. The chances of someone tracking down a stolen car that has been neatly reparked in its owners lawn seemingly-untouched and unreported is near-zero, so this has nothing to do with what I was talking about in any way whatsoever.

Also, cameras would catch this and you still don't want to use them and would rather have cops plow into families chasing these guys instead.

>>28649312
>because we all know police departments are super forthcoming and provide all evidence for their fuckups without protracted legal battles totaling hundreds of thousands of dollars if at all, right?
I think "where is the video from your police cruiser which you pursued the suspect in?" is a pretty obvious and important question which a judge will take into consideration when the defense raises it.

It's the main piece of evidence for the charged crime. It's almost the whole body of the case.

>>28649332
>I think "where is the video from your police cruiser which you pursued the suspect in?" is a pretty obvious and important question which a judge will take into consideration when the defense raises it.
Because as we all know, police and the state never lie and in fact, they love you!
https://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/judges-believe-police-claims-and-ignore-video-proof/

>>28649325
>Then.
>Put.
>Up.
>Speeding.
>Cameras.
>On.
>Every.
>Street.
>In.
>America.
Punish the entire population with a surveillance society instead of targeting the criminal element? Nah, I'm for harm reduction. I want to live in a world in which criminals, and not the innocent, fear the government.

>>28649322
>The cop's video will not show you increasing your speed in reaction to his engagement, which is what fleeing is, you need to prove intent
that's a matter for the court for them to question intent. judges and magistrates don't ride with police to make sure they do the right thing. if the cop wants to say you're fleeing even when you're not, and he has the permission to execute flee-ers like >>28649099 psycho poster wants to give them, then he's going to take the opportunity. cops favorite thing is to kill people and hide behind the blue line gang and lawfare. you're entire supposition for your line of argument is the cop doing the right thing. he won't and that's why their powers must be limited.

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>>28649339
>Punish the entire population with a surveillance society instead of targeting the criminal element? Nah, I'm for harm reduction.
No you're fucking not, you're for Cowboy Shit. If you cared about harm reduction, you'd concede that chasing people who don't need to be chased because "I AM THE LAWWR" is retarded and dangerous. If you don't want speeding cameras, then there's another option that happens to be my actual opinion: we stop hyperfocusing on a small amount of lawbreakers which unnecessitated both chasing AND mass surveillance. I'd rather 3% of fuckshit bikers get away from paying $300 than get tracked and read news articles about speeding cops Protecting and Serving pedestrians so hard that they get turned into a red smear of freshly-pureed Reduced Harm on the pavement.

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these are who you're caping for btw

>>28649338
OK, then mandate that judges:
>review the footage
>write into any order denying bail a description of what happens in the footage
If the judge's account doesn't match a later judicial review, get rid of the judge.
Also most states (if not all?) don't allow judges to decide felony cases unless the defendant waives their right to a jury trial. We're not talking about obstruction, we're talking about fleeing at speed in a vehicle.

>>28649373
>dude........what if we just like......................fixed the justice system and everyone did the right thing?
broooooooooooooooooooo!!

>>28648940
Fagstian?

>>28649352
>If you cared about harm reduction, you'd concede that chasing people who don't need to be chased
But they DO need to be chased. People who respond to lights and sirens by putting their foot down need to be chased, and if they don't stop they need to be pitted, and if they get pitted straight into an immovable tree, that's their problem.

And if you tell that to everyone, along with the penalties for fleeing and the technology the cops have for providing a complete visual narrative of the chase, fewer people will flee.

>>28649381
Okay, your brain is clearly incapable of understanding the concept of selective engagement and civic normality so I'm going to post one more time and get on with my day:

>random-ass biker nobody cares about runs, don't chase
>random-ass driver nobody cares about runs, don't chase
>known problem entity / suspect / criminal mastermind runs, chase
Get the picture? Just because the only thing keeping (You) from becoming a psychopath is the fear that you'll get pitted into an oncoming family of four doesn't mean that the rest of us are as brain-broken and retarded as you are.

>>28649385
>selective engagement
They're fleeing; engage.
>civic normality
Is pulling over.

>>random-ass biker nobody cares about runs, don't chase
>>random-ass driver nobody cares about runs, don't chase
You can know neither of these things without first apprehending them and searching their vehicle.

>>known problem entity / suspect / criminal mastermind runs, chase
"When we ran the plate it came back to an Adolf Hitler, what luck!"

>>28649395
>You can know neither of these things without first apprehending them and searching their vehicle.
every time lol >>28649317

>>28648540
WHERES THE GODDAMN DECAPITATED HEAD?

I won't bleieve it until I see it, not some redacted ass censored bullshit

Wow, Sherman's March REALLY set Georgia back, didn't it?

cops should follow so they can observe and report and alert other people to get out of this retarded fucker's way, not actually chase the retards to ram them burnout takedown style. that is retarded cowboy tv shit that needs to stop. there will always be retards doing bad things even when 99.9% of road users are otherwise totally sane.
too many lives have been lost already on this horseshit we don't need fucking breathalyzers and immobilizers in cars because people who commit crimes don't care how illegal or feasibly impossible you make something. if they want to do it they will do it.

>>28649397
>retarded strawman argument
>"lmao, my imaginary opponent sure falls for every trap I lay"
Like I said;
>>28649005
>the ones who don't have a bigger reason are so fucking retarded that it's worth hunting them down and putting them in prison for a decade JUST for fleeing at high speed.
If you commit a felony for little-to-no fucking reason at all, you shouldn't get to be free for a while. If you turn your vehicle into a speeding missile, ignoring traffic laws, endangering other people, because you had some fent, or some weed, or you're drunk, FUCK YOU GO TO PRISON. Enjoy the 18 months on the drug charge, and 120 months for speeding through the intersection at 100mph.

>>28649436
me when I hate the police state soooooo much that I want people to go to jail for 10 years for speeding but think that cameras on the interstate is going too far

>>28649451
>I want people to go to jail for 10 years for speeding
Nah, speeding should be a ticket.
>cameras on the interstate is going too far
Yeah, I don't want to live in a surveillance shithole.

>>28649432
careful anon, the only thing keeping the nation from descending into complete anarchy is cops dunking on motorists like it's need for speed most wanted

>>28649455
okay yeah my bad, "running from cops" is 10 years in prison (all cops and prosecutors are good people that will always tell the truth even when their careers incentivize otherwise :)))) )

>>28649463
>"running from cops"
No, running from cops at speed with reckless endangerment should be.

And not "10 years", 10 years, mandatory minimum, 100% served. Plea offer incoming: 10 years. TEN YEARS. Concurrent, so added on to anything else, no judicial discretion below 10 years.

Fleeing at speed, but creating no other endangerment besides excessive speed should be 5 years.
Actual bodily harm: 15 years.
Death by reckless driving during a police pursuit: death penalty.
Felony death by dangerous driving (inducing another vehicle to collide and kill another motorist or an officer): life without parole.

>>28649475
>errrm uhhhh ackchually i said five
nobody cares retard, the idea that the lying state should be able to book you for 5 years in the same country where we pit pregnant women and hold vets at gunpoint for "fleeing" is moronic. if people like you were in charge we'd have way worse than highway cameras

>>28649493
>>errrm uhhhh ackchually i said five
I did.
>the idea that the lying state
Addressed already, video footage which agrees with the cruiser's black box (assessed independently) required.
But if you think the state just lies, then let's not convict anyone of anything, let vigilantism take over; whoever has the most guns and the will to use them wins.
>if people like you were in charge we'd have way worse than highway cameras
In the book Nineteen Eighty-Four, a key piece of evidence against Winston was an audio recording from a woodland where he and Julia would walk. The idea of a listening device in a public place was so offensive to 1950's readers that it made their blood run cold.

There actually isn't much worse than a surveillance state, the idea of individuals being traceable from cradle to grave is disgusting and everything should be done to avoid it. If people like me were in charge it wouldn't be necessary.

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>>28649512
>Addressed already, video footage which agrees with the cruiser's black box (assessed independently) required.
if everyone just did the right thing there wouldn't be crime retard
>if you think the state just lies, then let's not convict anyone of anything
the antidote to a state that lies isn't anarchy retard, it's ensuring that the state can't impose ridiculous penalties for subjective assessments of a situation
>The idea of a listening device in a public place was so offensive to 1950's readers that it made their blood run cold.
yeah i'm sure they'd also be horrified over the idea that people today think it's okay to delete a minivan full of kids because you really wanted to catch a biker

>>28649525
>it's ensuring that the state can't impose ridiculous penalties for subjective assessments of a situation
It's actually really easy to view dashcam footage and determine whether there was a high-speed chase. You ever hear the expression "a smoking gun"? That's because you can see smoke coming out of it, you know it's been fired. Some of these chases have smoke coming out of them for half an hour, and then the dude crashes, and then he's tackled on film, and then he's taken into the cruiser on film, and then the cruiser arrives on film to the police station, and then he's booked on film, and placed in a cell on film.

It is in fact not impossible to determine that a particular person, drove a particular vehicle, in a particular manner, in a particular time and place. With modern technology it's actually possible to know that with greater certainty than many other things we know to be true.

>>28649372
Kek.
Officer acorn and his ptsd were fired but not charged criminally.
Blue wall of no accountability.

>>28649372
God, I forgot the commando roll.

>>28649549
His county is facing a federal lawsuit, which they will most likely lose to the tune of tens of millions of dollars. For comparison, Nakia Porter was just awarded $17,000,000 after police knocked her unconscious and then lied on the report. I expect that county's tax payers to pay significantly more.

>>28649547
not every situation is going to be that clear and another anon already gave an example of it not being like that. you're just assuming the cops will be good little boys and not embellish or lie as they often do because high profile arrests bolster their careers and protect their jobs like the article says in >>28649338
the number one way to prevent this is not having a 5 year prison sentence for "evading the police." give the state an inch and they'll take a mile, eminent domain a few miles more, and then throw you in jail for being mileless

>>28649563
>His county is facing a federal lawsuit,
Big deal this guy fired 2 magazines in to a neighborhood.
Why isn't his ass in jail?
Or his partners for that matter.

>>28649585
i forget, did he kill somebody or just shoot up his own car and hurt himself

there's no reason to go to jail if you didn't actually harm anybody but yourself. jail is a holding area for people who literally can't get on in society, it's not a simple time out for mental toddlers although it's definitely used that way.

>>28649590
he had someone inside his car
miraculously didn't die

>>28649599
oh right yeah he did shoot that guy

i still don't see any benefit to putting that kind of circumstantial criminal in jail. he's not a serial killer, he just broke his responsibility as a firearm operator and as a police officer, which is immoral but not necessarily illegal, and it was a genuine mistake, not some kind of elaborate setup to kill the guy he had in his cruiser.

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>>28649585
>>28649590

>be Arkansas State Trooper Rodney Dunn
>light up a pregnant woman on the freeway
>she puts on her hazards and slows to find a place to pull over
>decide she's not pulling over fast enough
>pit her so hard she flips and rolls across the entire freeway and ends up in the left lane
>settle out of court
>trooper office gets off with a gomenasai and a retraining program
>you keep your job, pension, and position on the force
>taxpayers foot the bill

>be Houston Police Officer Shelby Kennedy
>speeding while taking a detained suspect to processing
>plow into a group of three people forcing two to jump out of the way
>completely flatline the third, a mother of several kids
>say you didn't see them the entire time
>even the suspect in the back is wondering what the fuck is wrong with you
>administrative leave
>return to work without charges as the investigation continues

>>28649373
>If the judge's account doesn't match a later judicial review, get rid of the judge.
lol
lmao

>>28649078
>Why are there so many niggers and spics itt?
Former propages faster than they self-eradicate, latter are being hunted down these days.

>>28649638
>propages
propagates

>>28648582
>>Do you REALLY think this is a wise way to spend OUR money?
Do you really think it's better to let reckless drivers kill someone because they were speeding on an school zone and a couple kids were crossing the road?
Or they're going side to side on the highway and made a full truck flip over himself 10 meters over the side of the road? This is a real story because I was stuck in the traffic jam this nigger caused and the car was crashed against the middle separator and the truck was flipped over like 10 meters from the highway road.

>>28648878
>Police around here are told not to pursue a motorcycle or car in residential areas emphasis on motorcycles.
So just let criminals freely kill people with their reckless driving?

>>28649697
the issue is when chasing someone they tend to panic and go even faster until they crash into something or someone. or the cops crash into someone. wish i could find that clip of the cop chasing a suspect, they mention the suspect crashed, at the same time they're running through a red without even checking for traffic, t-boning a crossover. the very last frame of the footage you see the technician (presumably at the police station) holding the camera lol

>>28649704
So just put better quality cameras in the front of the car so they can just file a ticket on the car's license plate and provide the footage as proof.
That way they aren't forced to make the arrest at that moment and they don't endanger the pedestrians and other drivers, but with constant push to remove police's authority, the only way they can do jack shit is by chasing the criminals.
Although have in mind that in small towns the officers usually know everyone, so if the criminal tries to flee they just wait at their house until they return, at least that's what my dad did before retiring, the current officers probably don't know even a quarter of the people that live here.

Come to 4chan expecting gore, have to settle with blocked out torso.

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>>28648573
>>28648886
>>28648617
Seems like the situation was a head ache for everyone involved

>>28649710
>So just put better quality cameras
you severely underestimate just how horrible the quality of recorded footage becomes when objects are in motion. at night you can forget about any text legible at all.

>>28649693
A tiny motorcycle cannot physically inflict mass collateral damage due to its extremely small frame

It is not like a car where a car crash can kill MANY not just the passengers inside.

You're just a sucker who LOVES to spend OUR tax dollars on a random kid who is just having a little fun.
Why aren't my Police going after the cartel to stop fentynal or investigate murder cases or literally anything else that is better for society.

Imagine the millions spent fueling the rinky dink helicopter chasing after a stupid kid that isn't harming anyone but itself. It's just stupid.
>Yew gotta enforce da law
Severity of crime determines the prioritization of enforcement. You want a world where murderers go free but heaven forbid a individual goes 10 mph over the heckin speed limit!

>>28648927
Wtf based cops???

>>28649748
>who is just having a little fun
Until that kid loses control of the bike and crashes against a group of people waiting on a red light to cross the street.
>Why aren't my Police going after the cartel to stop fentynal or investigate murder cases or literally anything else that is better for society
The officers doing those things are completely different than the ones stopping someone for speeding, hell, in my country these are completely different police forces, being the civil guard instead of the local police.
You just can't put brandon the local cop from some random no name town in the middle of the central US desert to investigate the mexican government and round up the politicians enabling the fentanyl trade.
And murders are being properly investigated, the problem is that most of the times there's no clues that lead to anything, so they remain unsolved.

I would venture to guess that cops chasing drivers running from the cops only for the driver to end up in captivity and slammed with fines and jail time has probably saved shitloads of lives as a whole, since it deters the vast majority of drivers from doing fucktarded shit.

I've driven on roads in India, Vietnam, and Central America. There is absolutely no law on the roads and consequently it's dangerous as fuck.

There is ZERO reason to EVER run from police.
Anybody that says otherwise is a spic or nigger.
If you attempt to evade the law, you have forfeited your life.

Yes there will be gulags in the near future.
You will be in one.
Your family will be rounded up and incarcerated alongside you.
You and your entire generation pool will be removed from.society because you have proven you are not compatible with western values.

>>28648938
>it's a minor offense! i gotta run aw-ACK!

Lmajejjing at bike troons angry over the consequences of their actions itt

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Anons are missing the point. Police chasing cars/bikes isn't bad or inherently dangerous if the police are well trained and have lots of pursuit training and technical driving requirements.

As with shooting deaths and their general paranoid skittishness US police are not well trained. Less than a hairdressing vocational course in many states. Combine that with low quality applicants not weeded out and them driving SUVs that handle like shit then it becomes a more dangerous proposition.

>>28649748
>A tiny motorcycle cannot physically inflict mass collateral damage due to its extremely small frame
You have absolutely no idea how momentum, mass, and velocity are related.

>>28649748
>a 500lb bike and 300lb rider traveling at highway speeds absolutely cannot cause any damage to anything in an impact