>>28653286
They're stupid. Just buy a normal set of all seasons and a set of winters if you live somewhere with winter. Don't fall for the Michelin meme.

>>28653286
goaterd w/ the sauce fr fr my duderino

>>28653291
>just buy an extra set of wheels and store them year round

Tires are difficult to judge. Unless you're a professional tire tester you're not going to experience every tire out there and in a few years when you switch there are new tires on the market. And every brand makes good and bad tires.
I don't trust anyone's tire reviews because of this. With the exception of track tires (Hoosiers, Kumho Ecsta Vs, etc) where some people do test several kinds in short periods of time.
IMO if you don't drive hard enough to break traction ever then just get whatever all seasons. I should note it doesn't snow where I live.

>>28653286
Michelin Cross Climate 2 is the best all season commuter tire ever made. I run them on my wifes Lexus and they are incredible. Obviously dedicated summer and winter tires will be better but these blast the shit out of every other all season available, its not even close.


>>28653291
Kill yourself dumbass

>>28653294
Can you imagine being so retarded you think its a good idea to have all seasons AND a separate set of winters lmao like why would you ever do that? Just get summers and winters if you are running two sets. That guy is a fucking fag

>>28653300
That was an awful lot of words to say absolutely nothing you fucking retard

>>28653286
I will confirm, CC2 is GOAT
Something like the Michelin Pilot sport 4/5 AS or Continental DWS06+ would give you better summer performance but slightly worse winter performance (All 3 are great though) of course these peformance all seasons dont last, you will get like 3 years. The CC2s will last significantly longer.

>>28653303
>That was an awful lot of words to say absolutely nothing you fucking retard
Okay, try me.
>Michelin Cross Climate 2 is the best all season commuter tire ever made. I run them on my wifes Lexus and they are incredible.
Are you or your wife redlining every day or tossing it into corners at 50+? I suspect you, a married man, are not so reckless with your life.
How many current all-seasons have you tried on similar vehicles? What actual difference have you noticed?
If you're not pushing the traction limit, how do you know they're better tires?
Just because you're satisfied with the tires doesn't mean they're the best.

>>28653307
>What about if I move the goal posts and pretend you didnt say COMMUTER all season and start blabbering about driving like a retard on public roads
Shut the fuck up faggot

>>28653308
Then how do you know it's better than the other options?
Hint: You don't.

>>28653311
I have used 5 all seasons across 3 cars over the last 5 years. I know more than you. Additionally I know what google is and how to read testing literature and find testing footage. Now, shut the fuck up you waste of everyone's time.

>>28653314
I do those things too, I'm just saying: How do you know it's actually better without doing dumbass shit? If you don't push the limits then I don't trust your opinion.
I hoon like a madman and intentionally break traction on my commute, I redline quite a few times every day, I buy the shittiest all seasons around so I can slide more. I do trackdays with hoosiers but I don't test enough race tires. You shouldn't trust my opinion, and I won't trust yours. We square?

>>28653320
Yes you are a square

>>28653286
you do not need fancy tires for your shitbox and no your tunes and mods and tint and ill stickers do not make it superior to a shitbox and also you are not a race car driver and you never drive on a race track anyway stay in school

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>>28653324
Yeah, I passed differential equations as a teenager and am an engineer. That does make me a square.

>>28653286
alpin5 are great.

>>28653286
why do winter treads look so much cooler than summer treads
why do all summer tires look so lame

>>28653300
>Unless you're a professional tire tester you're not going to experience every tire out there and in a few years when you switch there are new tires on the market
I burn through a set or two of tires every year so I manage to get a good feel for what I want in a tire since I try new ones pretty often.

>>28653286
CrossClimate 2 will fulfill your all-weather needs but that siping pattern will sacrifice some lateral G, which isn't a problem unless you drive like you fly in very hot. I find that it's harder to kick out the rear in snow so long as it's not at the limit though. It flings out snow fairly easily so you don't have an icy brick of a wheel in the slushy stuff.

>>28653300
>what is tirerack.com

>>28653394
>This tire is 5/5 because we've had it for 2 months and haven't died
...reviewers say as a way to justify spending 2x more for the same quality tire when they haven't even tired another tire in 5 years. "I spent more, it has to be better."

>>28653286
Are these "all-season" tyres actually decent in real winter conditions?
I notice they have the 3PMSF marking so they're legal to use in my country, but we have real winters here.

>>28653300
Same thing applies with track tires as well.
I've had retards use Hoosier A7s incorrectly and completely ruined their tests.
They can't be bothered to test properly.

>>28653306
they even make a crossclimate sport now

>>28653329
Thats a rectangle.

>>28653405
All seasons are so shit. Should just buy a set of summers and winters. It's the same as people buying 5 in 1 shampoo, marketed to poor and lazy People

>>28653518
Or just buy winters and use them all year round, shit. They’ll wear fast during summer but mine still performed great in march/april rains (I guarantee they were better than all seasons even in the warm seasons).

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>>28653286
Picrel are made at the same Michelin factory in Nyiregyhaza, Hungary but cost half as much.

>>28653286
They’re easily the best all season ever made. Easily. I run them on my wife’s car and they have excellent snow traction and they’re quiet. 10/10 tire in all categories (for all season)

>>28653405
>>28653518
They've improved a lot and are vastly better than summers in snow and ice, sure, but I don't think they can entirely avoid the fact that the rubber they're made of is typically mixed for summer conditions.
Once the temperature is seriously below freezing, a proper winter tire will perform noticeably better on most surfaces, even dry asphalt.

>>28653530
>buy winters and use them all year round
Just be careful in wet conditions. Most seriously optimized winter tires can aquaplane at surprisingly low speeds if you drive into deep enough water. Especially after they wear down a bit, which will happen quickly if they're made of proper winter tire rubber.

without reading all the replies in this thread, the CC2's are actually great winter tires if your winter aren't too extreme. I think it'd be a dumb choice if you're not using them in winter. and if you're using 2 sets of tires, this should be on the winter side - don't get these all seasons for the 3 non-winter seasons, get summers for that.
tl;dr - these are good all seasons, even better cold weather all seasons. use them paired with summers if you're not using them year round, don't use them as your non winter tires unless you live in some freak climate that snows 9 months a year.

>>28653333
There is no Alipine5
There is a Pilot Alpine 5, its a winter performance tire not an all season.

>>28653355
Cross Climate 2 is not a winter tire.

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>>28653300
>if you don't drive hard enough to break traction
>mfw my retarded turdgen firebird sometimes breaks traction in slight turns driving casually

>>28653438
Whaaaattt Thanks anon Ill look into it

>>28653600
>Cross Climate 2 is not a winter tire.
are you being a smartass with me snownigger

What is the best tires for a 2wd trugg in the South? It doesn’t snow here.

>>28653754
if it's a fullsize probably a generic 28/29" tall suv tire in the front, in the rear probably a set of khumho mts, maybe up to or around 30" tall, maybe road ventures.
really can't look up a set without wheel dia/width and a ballpark of the fender clearance

I only buy Falken, shrimple assfuck.

>>28653286
They're pretty good, but they hum like a bastard, when they start to wear.

>>28653300
>if you don't drive hard enough to break traction ever then just get whatever all seasons
this is what led me to replace two sets of AS tires in quick succession. first set was necessary, and found that they broke traction badly in the rain and on somewhat quick turns. swapped them to "high performance" all seasons that did the same, but not as severe. still kinda shit in the rain, so I switched to 320TW summers and never looked back. those only break traction when I do 10/10 on shit roads, or the one time I missed a shift like a retard at high speed in a downpour

I do agree that if you've never broken traction on wet roads, with newer tires, you don't need performance anything

>>28653600
Cross climates are nearly as good as General Artic's and are 50x better than Blizzaks.
And they don't wear out after 3 seasons

>>28653306
You'll get about 18 months of good grip from PS4S/06+ then they start to noticeably drop off, at least if you drive mostly normally, use the grip to turn harder usually, and have some pedal mashing fun a couple times a week.
>t. have ran both tires twice each

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What's the best wet performance tire on the market right now?
Must be available in 17" or 18" wheel size, and at least 275 wide.

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>>28654055
>wet performance
>17" or 18" wheel size, and at least 275 wide
Bridgestone Potenza Sport.

Contrary to popular belief, summer tires are better than all seasons in the wet. The actual difference is temperature. Under 40F summer tires lose a lot of traction but all seasons do not.

>>28654093
Thanks. I remember an AER racer mentioning the bridgestones too.

americans actually buy no season tires lmaoooo

>>28653303
>Just get summers and winters if you are running two sets.
And never ever drive in the rain again.

>>28653530
>I guarantee they were better than all seasons
I guarantee you don't know shit from fuck you god damn retard

>>28654340
you've clearly never driven with summers on in the rain

>>28654340
Summer tires absolutely destroy no-seasons in the rain. It's only freezing that they can't handle. The problem with the summer/winter combo is that all seasons can be stored in a garage for the winter but summers need to be stored indoors where they won't freeze.

>>28654340
Have you ever seen a summer tire? The rain channels are massive

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I have the pirelli version and like it a lot. Didn't want a separate winter tire and have a coupe with summers which I use most of the time.

>>28654496
>summers need to be stored indoors where they won't freeze.
>citation needed
it's only true for under load (e.g. on a vehicle that's on the ground). I've stored my summers for years, without issue, mounted but up on a rack, in an un-insulated garage in a region that has chunks of time around -30c in the winter

now if you were to try and drive on the fuckers in below zero weather, or if there's even a hint of frost, may God have mercy on you

>>28654572
>he drives so slow he can't even tell when his tires are fucked
Just buy all seasons.

>>28654576
more like i dont get enough seasons before I'm riding the wear lines to even let cracking take place. don't know why you're being a faggot though, and I'm never buying all seasons again, they fucking suck

>>28653303


They are top tier for sure and anyone looking for a year round tyre that can handle snow without being compromised in summer won't be disappointed.
That being said, it is definitely very close and there are options as good or better in different ways that may fit someone's use-case or general preferences more, and Michelin even sells one of them.
The PSAS4 has significantly greater wet grip (and the DWS06+ even better still), to say nothing of braking and dry traction as well, while still also being able to handle slushy roads in freezing conditions in a way that no summer tyre ever could. For people who live in temperate climes a seasonal tyre like this would likely be perfect for their driving experience.

For someone who lives in some place like canada or sweden, then a more snow focused all-weather tyre like the Continental ASC2 or Pirelli ASSF3 would be the play. These are more directly comparable designs to the CC2, with snow traction right up there with many dedicated winter tyres. As far as particularities go the traction in snow is basically equivalent with perhaps a slight edge to the CC2; in terms of 'getting through the snow bank out of your driveway' ability, they basically all can do the job; meanwhile the wet grip is better by a larger margin in the first two, and some may appreciate the better price and treadlife on the continental asc2's as well.

>>28653754
Continental TerrainContact H/T is a great regular duty large vehicle tyre.

>>28654055
SportContact 7, ExtremeContact 02, Eagle Asymmetric 6.

>>28653286

I have them and they’re great in wet and in snow/slush. They drop your fuel economy a couple MPG and they can be noisier than tires with a more normal tread. They aren’t a performance tire or anything, but dry traction isn’t terrible.

I have a 2019 accord and they look slightly goofy with the exaggerated tread sidewall on a road tire.

I rate them 8.5/10 overall, 10/10 in snow and wet.

>>28653397
They test the tires back to back on the same car on skid pads and stuff. Maybe take 5 minutes to check it out before talking about stuff you know nothing about.

would i be stupid to run PS4 all year round if temps sometimes get below 0°, but almost never any snow?

all the rich knowers in my city drive on cross climates.
Literally, look in the parking lot for a late model luxury car it's almost certainly sitting on them.

>>28655225
0 what.
Perf tires should basically never be allowed to roll on roads that are colder than about 45F and the michelins are even more susceptible to cold temp tread tearing.

>all seasons
lmao

>>28655237
>0 what.
NTA, but I guess normal degrees because Burger ones don't have anything special at zero.

>>28655248
I said it to be an asshole calm down I love you alsi kill yourself.

Perf tires should never be run when weather is colder than 45f, and I'd say 45f is the LIMIT, you should be switching to a more appropriate tire when it gets below the 50s F range.

>>28655237
>>28655251
fug
i wish i could get pilot all seasons but they don't make them in my tire size, it's a pain
i could get crossclimates but it feels like a waste when i never get any snow (and they don't make the new crossclimate sport in 17" yet)

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>>28654055
idk, big water channels are good ?

>>28655343
Yes and also deep

t.recently read a bunch of research on wet perfomance

>>28655296
and what is your size?

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>>28655343
>uniroyal rainexpert 5
Its performance is mid. It's a premium summer touring tire. The Michelin Pilot Sport 4 is better in the wet. Which is a max performance summer tire.

>>28653291
>>28653294
Does anyone really buy an expensive extra pair of winter tires and pay to mount them every year? Not to mention that you’d need a huge garage to store extra tires.

I seriously doubt many people have the money, time and space for all that.

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>>28656332
>Does anyone really buy an expensive extra pair of winter tires and pay to mount them every year?
Unless you park the vehicle and have a winter beater, yes. And no you don't pay to have them mounted. Smart people have their winter tires on a spare set of rims so you can do the swap at home.
>Not to mention that you’d need a huge garage to store extra tires.
A stack of wheels takes up like 2 fucking square feet of space.
>I seriously doubt many people have the money, time and space for all that.
Where the fuck do you live and just how poor are you?

I buy poor people contis and I'm good. Can't even find good 15" in my cuntree.

>>28656332
Four wheels with tire take up a 2.5x2.5x4 foot area. The stereotypically mid, scatter brained, anxiety driven woman in a house is using 20x that for all her stupid bullshit that hasn't been touched in 10-40 years.

>>28656332
Euros do
Probably Cucknadians too
You don't need a huge garage to store tires btw, they aren't that big
t.euro

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>>28653286
Get Pirelli Cinturatos instead if they come in your size.

>>28653286
>>2865329
Do myself and the world a favor and die in a cancer fire. Just because you mash random words together dosent mean it's good. God im fucking tired of being old

Are cc2>cc3?