Wait, so Wilwood "Big" brake kits are just shit for normal fags?I had a good discussion about brakes with some old SCCA track guys.Apparently not one of them is running Wilwood brakes. Dudes said Wilwood doesn't offer anything that's track capable outside niche racing series.
>>28655983Theyre a massive upgrade on vintage american iron that had drums at all 4 corners, cars that were factory 6 cylinders or just standard single piston calipers. They were never intended for "race" use. Their entire niche is easy bolt-on kits for street vehicles.
>>28655983First time I've ever heard of Wilwood. None of the performance shops for my car, online or otherwise, ever had or even mentioned them. That doesn't imply good things about Wilwood.Then again my car comes stock with an Akebono kit so the only thing I really needed to upgrade was brake fluid cooling
AP is the standard for a track car. Then Brembo. I don't think Wilwood are "bad" though, certainly a huge upgrade from non-brembo OE setups / akebono nipshit.also,>SCCA guyssnooze
>>28655983For normal fags, any brakes that can soak up and bleed off the heat will be fine. If the Elantra N can manage with SUV brakes, then any other car should be fine with Wilwoods.
>>28656009Lots of skilled SCCA drivers with a billion years of experience.I'm not talking autocross of something.But the wheel to wheel guys.>AP racingThey were using AP kits.Those shiny 5000R calipers.I looked up the calipers, $3,000 each ouch.
>>28655983race car brakes and pads suck on the streets
>>28655983Wilwood will outperform stock brakes on cars south of $40,000+ cars intended to be sporty. And it will obviously outperform older calipers.They are also cost-prohibitive for cars you aren't actually tracking / really building. E.g. if I had an old Civic Si, it wouldn't be cost efficient to put these on them because they cost literally half of the car.>>28656009Basically this.>>28656155A lot of Wilwood kits aren't race, and what you are saying depends on pad material. A lot of standard brakes are under-powered.Another point of discussion is that I am not sure how much these will do without a bigger master cylinder.
>>28656155You can put street pads on full race brake systems and have zero problems around town. Even Full Track pads still work at lower speeds.Enough to drive to track days anyways.
>>28656185Speaking of pads, I just checked pads for the CTR brembos - $400 for only the fronts. Ayy lmao. I see why people buy base cars.
While we have this thread, how often should brakes be getting bled?
>>28656196Bled when you feel a mushy pedal, flushed every 2 years. Speed bleeders are worth their weight in gold.
>>28656194 Lots of aftermarket brakes use common sizes that are a lot cheaper. I think the Wilwood 7416 pads for my car are only $250 For full race pads.>>28656196Depends how quickly your brake fluid is absorbing moisture.Typically it should be done like once every 2-3yrs. I do mine every month, but track days kills brake fluid.If you buy a power bleeder, you just put it on your master cylinder and you can bleed all four corners in like 10 minutes.
>>28656006>First time I've ever heard of Wilwood. None of the performance shops for my car, online or otherwise, ever had or even mentioned them. That doesn't imply good things about Wilwood.Just because you have your head in the sand doesn't mean they're some small unheard of company.
>>28656210Out of 20 calipers I have on cars and motorcycles, all 20 of them are equipped with speed bleeders. I would argue they're one of the greatest automotive innovations of all time.
>>28656006lmao
>>28655983I have a wilwood bbk. Feels gud.
>>28656595More like a bbc
>>28656620Porn has rotted your brain
>>28656637What's pornographic about a broadcasting corporation
>>28656595>Big>7416 pad typeNah bro, that shit ain't big at all.
>>28655983Wilwood has Race kits.It's just not what the normal fags buy because the Lug drive rotors are 3x the cost of a basic rotor.And the race calipers are $1,000 each
>>28656182>A lot of standard brakes are under-powered.If they’re capable of activating ABS, they’re by definition good enough. I’ve never overheated brakes on the cheapest econoboxes.
>>28655983Wilwood stuff is ok, and mostly they target boomer cars and vintage racers, so it would make sense that someone with a Scion wouldn't have wilwood brakes as an upgrade. But for God's sake, don't buy anything that has the Dynalite caliper. They are SHIT. Superlite caliper at the very least.
>>28656695It's the same plate, just a thinner chunk of pad compound.
>>28655983Just get Pagid racing bros. It’s not even more expensive than some marketing based stuff like wilwood. It’s legit what they use in WEC and IMSa
>>28656155They work Great if you don’t mind the squeeeeeaaaakkkk, which is obnoxious
>>28659317For me it's the extreme amounts of black dust. I bought some bp10 pads and they've been very nice on the street.
>>28659297was looking at dynalites for my front disc conversion but lost interest after seeing the lukewarm reviews for them. ended up going with an eci brake kit. uses a gm d52 caliper from a late 2nd gen firebird, that anti-rattle spring was annoying as fuck but at least i can stick ebc bluestuffs on them now.>>28659318if you have a jap car the dixcel z types are great street+track pads. lots of dust (weekly pressure washing required if it annoys you) but they were whisper quiet and i could stomp on the brakes all day and night
>>28655983most big-brake kits are consumer scam, willwood makes good products but I would not buy calipers or full-conversion kits from them.
>>28659297>Dynalite caliper.Those are fine for stock power Miata I guess Pads are cheap as fuck in that size.>>28659318>>28659317Don't run Track pads on street cars?& No, HP+ or EBC yellows arn't "track pads" Anything that can't handle 1,200F isn't a real track pad.
>>28659385>Miata I guessYeah maybe. It's not the heat capacity, but the amount that they flex under pressure. Maybe for rear brakes, or a very light car they would be ok.
>>28656006that's because you're a wrenchlet faggot lol wtf
>>28656317>speed bleedersWrenchlet, lol I would never trust anything besides a basic ass no moving parts bleed valve, that's what makes us different.
>>28659389I see a lot of NA/NB track guys use the dynalite calipers on track.No heavy cars though.I've thought about getting some Racing Aero6 calipers.But the top track bros keep telling me to save up more $$ and buy the AP 5000 caliper and never look back.
>>28659359Wilwood kits are awesome for vintage vehicles that have absolute trash factory brake systems (trash by todays standards).Theyre no-hassle bolt on kits that have had the kinks worked out of them 30 years ago.For something made post 90s (?) Fuck no.Absolute waste of money. You can lock up the tires (or activate anti-lock) when you slam on the brakes on anything made in the past 30+ years. Larger brakes wont do jack shit for 99% of cars on the road.Theyre in the same category as CAIs and cat deletes.
>>28659413I just don't like kits by application because often enough you're paying for redundant parts, often hundreds of dollars worth of shit that you don't need.
>>28659404Just spend the coin once and forget about the boomer wilwood brakes.
>>28656196Do you mean replace/flush?Two yearsBrakes don’t need to be bled unless air got into the system and you’ll know it if it does.
The "hold on!" boomer was running wilwoods
>>28659794doesn't really matter what brand it was - any brake system would've failed if it was constantly ridden non-stop to control the engine speed.
>>28655983Just be less poor and buy brembo
>>28659794He was running the tiny Wilwoods and the street pads.Drag them enough and the heat means by by pad friction.
>>28659849Biggest meme in /o/ history was wilwoods no defence lol
>>28659403Tell me you don't know how a speed bleeder works
>>28659794True. Red dynalite calipers with a thin rotor, because you don't need big brakes on a drag race car huehuehueIronically it's a downgrade in braking capability from the iron 4 piston setup that came stock on that car.
>>28660022people who run drag rotors on the street should be beaten senselessly.
>>28655983What the hell does Stone Cold Steve Austin know about brakes
>>28660022That image is the best use of AI I've seen.>Prompt - two idiots in a custom hotrod that burnt its brakes in the style of Edvard Munch
>>28659806This.ANY and ALL brakes would have failed at some point when trying to hold back a 1,300hp engine with a sticking throttle.There was no brake "fault". They performed as expected and within normal parameters and more than likely surpassed the performamce/durability/longevity of 99% of /o/'s brake systems.The fault was with the lack of return spring tension on the throttle linkage. That car would have never passed track inspection at even the most hillbilly dragstrip in the Ozarks.
People use willwood because they have a very wide range of bolt on kits that make upgrades ezpz. They're also decent quality. But they're not up to real race car abuse. Making calipers of the standard of Willwood isn't difficult and lots of no-name brands have started doing it over recent years.
>>28660305>The fault was with the lack of return spring tension on the throttle linkageNo. The fault was the cretin who thought it was a good idea to drive a car with that problem on the public roads. He even acknowledged to his passenger the problem was there
>>28656595bro those look like sub-300mm rotorsbig brakes my ass
>>28655983And what makes two fixed calipers of the same piston count different from one another? Like for like, I assume the pad and disc would make a bigger difference than the caliper (assuming it doesn't fail, of course). Do the more expensive ones save a few grams of weight or something?
>>28655983>one large caliperBro, do you even brake...?
>>28660387>save a few grams of weight or something?Generally yes, but the bigger benefits are things like caliper rigidity, fitting larger and thicker pads, fitting a pad size that has many options for compounds, a shape that allows more airflow for cooling, and titanium faced pistons that help keep heat from getting to the fluid.
