>longevity (with the new batteries aka sodium-ion)>reliable with less "things" to break>fast as fuck
>>28658040>100% of the vehicle is JLR street shitting software>low quantity production>less to breaklol
>>28658040that's someone's AC, anon
the future is now. i see just as many ev's on the road than any other type of car, and on the roads all day working as a courier so i see a lot of cars.
>>28658040They may be the future but that's not necessarily a good thing
We're at the very beginning of the EV transition and already the infrastructure that supports ICEVs is starting to show cracks. Oil refineries shut down, resulting in massive supply shocks which spike gas prices, causing an even bigger shift to EVs. Buildings will be built with EVs in mind, and ban ICEVs. Gassoline Station deadzones will start to appear. This is the cycle of every technological change. Remember camera film? What would you do today if you had a film roll you needed to process? You can't just go to Walgreens anymore.
>>28658040EVs may be practical but holy shit are they boring
>>28658183I'll just drive my dino car down to Long's Drugs then, right after I stop by Blockbuster.
>>28658040>are EVs really the future?A spokeswoman for the governor, Erin Mellon, said that the request to avoid charging electrical vehicles has been misrepresented by critics of California's efforts to curb emissions. “We're not saying don't charge them,” she said. “We're just saying don't charge them between 4 p.m. and 9 p.m.” 2022
>>28658040The electric motor as a primary mover is a fantastic idea. The battery is a shit idea for energy storage.
ev sales are crashing and burning the moment the gov stops handing out stolen money to homosexuals buying those cuckmobiles.
>>28658040>>reliable with less "things" to breakLMAOthey're constantly pumping more and more shit into them that can break. sure, in their simplest form there could be less to break but again, there's so much shit they put into these that there absolutely is no advantage anymore. on top of it cars get heavier and heavier still and they have to include all sorts of electric nannies that keep the damn pile of shit on the road and not understeer into a tree at 30mph.
>>28658396That's an issue with modern car design and has nothing to do with EVs.
>>28658183this anon launches flaming 1 ton batteries into the houses and businesses of innocent bystanders
>>28658399>That's an issue with modern car design and has nothing to do with EVslmao this is your average Ev retards thought processEV = nebulous concept in my peabrain head = reality = good
>>28658315lol he said all of the hype words. 10 meme points to you kind sir. take my updoot
>>28658451>the only way to get a metal engine in 20204Hate it
>>28658304Supercaps are a bit explosive. There’s not much else>inb4 nuclear reactor
>>28658462that's an EV, retard
>>28658315It's not stolen money. Government spending creates money, taxes destroy money (same with private loans and repaying private debt, with interest being the remainder that survives in the economy).A tax credit is simply money that wasn't destroyed.
>>28658480they literally steal your money. and if you dont pay up they send armed goons to kill you
>>28658183>What would you do today if you had a film roll you needed to process? You can't just go to Walgreens anymore.I'd go to CVS instead.
>>28658506>they literally steal your moneyand in exchange you get to live in a country that doesn't look like somalia
>>28658451You're misunderstanding. No one said it was "good". It's that it's not a problem BECAUSE it's an EV. It's a problem because it's a modern car. If you buy a gas car thinking it won't have those problems then you're going to be disappointed when you find out that it does because all modern cars do.
>>28658515not really. looks pretty much the same
>>28658517>You're misunderstanding.I'm not misunderstand considering the EV is still 10x more burdensome than even general modern car qualitysource: go talk to any dealership techs, insurance adjusters and body shops
>>28658183>What would you do today if you had a film roll you needed to process?Go to a local Max Spielmann? They're still common where I live and I don't see fuel stations going away any time soon either.
>>28658533Okay then give me some examples of the things on EVs that are so unreliable.
>>28658040Idk does the military use ev's?
>>28658438>Tyrese, give these niggas a volley
>>28658040>fast as fuck Strictly speaking, the shitbox-equivalent EVs aren't really that fast, since they lack gearboxes. Electric cars are reasonably fine for somebody not interested in wrenching and tuning. However you can't really get a cheap one, unless you buy used. In which case you have a decent selection, but a lot of them have shit range due to being early gen. >>28658542Yes, but they're of the one-way-explosive-birthday-present type, so not really sure they count.
You can tell EVs are winning the race just by the fact all of a sudden totally nobody cares about 0-60 times anymore, now its about muh emotion.
>>28658506Taxes drive money, yes. But you don't have any money until the government spends it into existence. Because money is not a real resource, it's a state tool to direct real resources. You very well might have some real resources independent of government, but you don't have money until they spend it into existence. There is a clear and obvious injection/origin point.
>>28658568It was the same thing with automatic transmissions. For decades people always commented on how slow "slushboxes" were and then when dcts hit the scene suddenly shifting times weren't important anymore
>>28658568You can only see a tesla beat a lambo in a quarter mile so many times before you gifrel, especially since they won't ever mention half or full mile results.
>>28658040For China, yes. For America, no.Data centers need all of your energy. Can't let you charge your EV for cheap. Better help paying your corporate tax.
>>28658473Trains have just used a diesel generator for decades now and that's worked just fine. Maybe a system like that could work especially for commercial trucks. Passenger stuff it may be more difficult to package or just require a small engine like a Wankel just whizzing away.
>>28658040Governments are trying to force it but I don't think 100% EV usage makes any sense even if the electrical infrastructure exists to support it.
>>28658234I don't get why it's so hard to make a fun EV. Is it because it's depressed mechEs being asked to do shit they don't want to? I imagine if ICE cars are your passion and you've been told by a suit it's time to EV you'll feel downright suicidal. Has anyone asked an ElecE to design one yet? You know someone who actually gets a kick out of electric shit? Get someone that loves playing with old power station transformers measured in the kilovolts or something like that photonicinduction guy from YT. He'll find a way to massively overvolt an engine and make it go real fast in a fun fuckin way. They got a fucktonne of torque, that can be fun as fuck. You can do whatever the fuck you want with the weight distribution, keep it all low and central if you want, front load it, put it to the rear if you want I don't give a shit. It doesn't even have to be heavy if it's a track car and you only have to go 5 laps. Is it the noise? ICE cars sound cool as fuck because we associate the sound with awesome raw power and we can infer shit about the engine from listening. Electric motors are efficient so they sound like shit, but it doesn't have to be that way. I used to be a filthy train rider and I remember an electric train I used to ride started off with this awesome deep bass note then had some sort of gearing that went progressively higher as it gained accellaration. Put that sort of shit in a supercar and people will actually believe it has power. Similar to this yellow one at the start of this vid: https://youtu.be/rpzoCDdDjnw?t=9 Kind of pissed off that the only "enthusiast" EVs are for insufferable rich twats, I remember I had an idea when I was in secondary school to get a beat up old beetle, shove an old lift motor in the back and fill the rest with lead acid batteries to see what it'd be like. Why is nobody doing that shit? Bet it'd be fun as fuck.
>>28658438based
>>28658396anon you're having a schizo meltdown. The prevalence of safety nanny shit has nothing to do with cars being heavier, it's because of retards writing regulations and dumbass karens who want a car they FEEL safe in despite refusing to put down their phones while driving. You can very easily take the barebones of what makes a modern EV and shove it into a shitbox without any of that shit and it will work just fine, you are angry at the state of the modern car industry.
>>28658533>source: go talk to a bunch of fucking retards who are part of the problemI've got one, works fine, fuck dealerships, fuck insurance companies, fuck you. Skill issue.
>>28658040Does it have a battery the size and weight of a 60l fuel tank, which you can also fully charge in under 5 minutes? Do the batteries also not degrade insanely fast? Does it have 500 km of range, no matter the weather/temperature? Does it have an open source operating system so you can install and disable whatever shit you want and the car can remain a car instead of a tablet on wheels? Cheap retrofit kits for old cars? No? Then they aren't and you can fuck off.
>>28659194>but I don't think 100% EV usage makes any sense even if the electrical infrastructure exists to support it.it doesn't currently, and mostly likely never will, but there will absolutely come a day when it's the default for any/all commuter appliance cars, because most people don't give a shit whether what they drive is electric or gas as long as it works. Right now a push for 100% EVs is pretty retarded considering there are tons of people driving around in new shitbox altimas or whatever who would be just as happy driving a hybrid which wouldn't require any special consideration on their part and would make a massive dent in emissions. There's honestly no reason for nearly every new car coming off the line these days to be some kind of hybrid, that's really where governments and manufacturers should be focusing. I say this as an EV owner and someone who likes them, hybrids ought to be the near-term goal, with a longer term transition to mostly electric, and enthusiasts can just drive whatever they want, because they're a small enough percentage that worrying about that is retarded.
>>28659232I have noticed the governments seem to be reluctant to embrace hybrid majority as the end goal. All of them want to go straight for all electric. It's... suspicious.
>>28659231>Does it have a battery the size and weight of a 60l fuel tank,No, but it also doesn't have an engine or most of a traditional powertrain, so that's not really relevant to anything as long as it's functional and achieves what it needs to.>which you can also fully charge in under 5 minutes?no, but this isn't an issue for the way they're used in real life if you're not retarded>Do the batteries also not degrade insanely fast?yes>Does it have 500 km of rangesome do yeah, more will in the near future>no matter the weather/temperature?All vehicles are affected by these factors>Does it have an open source operating system so you can install and disable whatever shit you want and the car can remain a car instead of a tablet on wheels?No modern car has this, but people could definitely build it if they wanted to try hard enough. If you really care enough, you convert anything easily using off-the-shelf parts that are increasingly available and then the only software involved will be whatever you choose to put in it.>Cheap retrofit kits for old cars?some, yeah, though I guess cheap is relative and /o/tists are notoriously poor niggers on average so eh.
>>28659238It's just politicians being retarded and pushing whatever they think has the best optics, most of them have no fucking idea what they're actually doing and don't care what actually makes sense. Democrats in the US push EV only future because that's what le hecking green movement says is good, in the same way that Republicans push gas only because that's what le dumb redneck voter block says they like. Neither side has any interest in what actually makes sense or would be good, and the vast majority of people don't give a shit and just want something that works and is convenient. It's all political theater.
>>28659238Hybrids are just gas cars. No point in them.
>>28659250Vast majority of peoples' daily driving would be entirely covered by the electric range on modern hybrids something like 90% of the time, if every gas car was replaced with a hybrid tomorrow, vehicle emissions would become basically a non-issue overnight.
>>28659253It would be cut by 100% if it were EV.
>>28658040they were the future 100 years ago they are the future now and will be the future in 50 years but they are not the present
>>28659257This just proves that EVs are going to take over. The roles are revered from when they were first introduced. Now it's the ICEV that's stagnant and the EV that's evolving fast.
>>28659256correct, but there are a lot of actual real-world barriers to EV adoption to overcome currently outside of just "get everyone to buy an EV". Hybrids do not have that drawback, as they exist right now they are a drop-in replacement for almost every pure ICE use-case. We should be pushing EV availability for people who want them, but hybrid adoption for literally everyone who has a reason that EVs wouldn't currently work for them. It's just an easy win.
Where is this mythical location where a Hybrid works and an EV doesn't?
>>28658040No. I worked for an EV company and there are issues that you don't quite see.>softwareA nightmare, so much shit is fucked up because of shitty coding and bugs. A simple bug can completely brick the car or do weird shit like making the glovebox sealed shut (since some are electronically latched for fuck knows why). The majority of reliability issues are software related and they often aren't even commonly shared bugs, so the technicians have to try and figure out what is actually wrong with it, and most of the time just start throwing new modules at it when they can't figure it out through the software (50/50 on if replacement will even work either).>build qualityBecause of the battery and powertrain, plus all the techie shit on board, it means all the money went into that crap and not the overall build quality. So you get crappy plastic, shitty seats etc because all the money went on the tech and all the actual comforts had a tiny budget.>chargingEvery fucking public charging station is either broken or doesn't charge at high speed, usually it's with that classic "up to" shit like you'd see at a sale. My absolute recommendation is to have a home charger and use that exclusively, with public ones just being for topping up at best and never for relying on.
>>28659266Anywhere internal combustion works but an EV doesn't
>>28659273Hybrids use an electric motor and battery. So they have the same limitations as an EV.
>>28659268Anon you can just say Tesla, they are the only "EV company" that has the issues you're describing, unless you worked for some literal vaporware scam company like Fisker. Tesla's problem is that it's Apple, but as a car company. EVs made by companies that aren't Tesla generally don't have those issues.>My absolute recommendation is to have a home charger and use that exclusively, with public ones just being for topping up at best and never for relying on.This is just common sense and is the advice literally every EV owner gives, because half the fucking convenience of an EV is never having to go to a gas station. People who buy EVs with the intention of treating it like a gas car and going out to a charging station every week are retarded.
>>28659266Rentoids mostly. If you don't live somewhere with easy access to home charging, EVs can be a huge pain in the ass. Alternatively if you do a ton of road tripping and the areas you travel to don't have good charging infrastructure yet, it can kind of suck. Hybrids solve all of those issues.
>>28659266Commercial fleets as well. >>28659275Now you're just being obtuse.
>>28659285Commercial fleets benefit the most from EV.
>>28659285EVs actually work really well for commercial fleets in a lot of cases, just depends on context. But because they can usually have their own dedicated charging infrastructure and just swap vehicles as needed, it tends to work out really well for them especially with the decreased maintenance costs. The Rivian Amazon trucks for example have been a huge success.
>>28658183>We're at the very beginning of the EV transitionNigger, we've been hearing this since 2018. All that's changed since then outside of the Norwegian and Chinese command economies is that Tesla became a 20 P/S ratio meme and political chess piece, and that legacy automakers tried and are in the midst of spectacularly failing to copy them. The demand is gone, everyone is poor as fuck, zoomers don't even drive and the autistic ones that do practically venerate Japanese NA ICE shitboxes.
>>28659293Yeah, it'll take decades. Why you acting like a 6 year old in the back of the car saying "are we there yet?"
>>28659293>Nigger, we've been hearing this since 2018.Anon, do you have any idea how slowly mass adoption of a new vehicle technology goes? We're gonna be at the very beginning of the transition for at least another 10 years, that's just how these things work.
>>28659293this that nigga who insisted horses weren't going nowhere cause everyone didn't have a car 5 years after they were invented
>>28659293battery tech from the late 2010s is pretty far behind modern standards. I would never buy a 6 year old tesla but 6 years from now i would have no problem buying a 2025 tesla
>>28659300>>28659301>>28659307>>28659309>Governments worldwide push EV only legislation by 2030-35>Spike in early adopter and panic demand, concentrated almost entirely on one brand>Fast forward 5 years>Half the country now thinks you're lidderally hitler for driving this brand>Wasn't popular with the other half to begin with>Nobody buys the shittliy made $60,000 copycats from Cadillac, Acura, VW, etc; models get canceled after 1-2 years>Two more weeks
>>28659276>you can just say Tesla, they are the only "EV company" that has the issues you're describingI wasn't with Tesla, but a different and very large EV company that has grown a lot in the last few years and will probably keep growing because of their pricing (and simply by not having the stigma of being Tesla).
>>28659314so you think these companies will fail? Right when the economics of owning an EV is about to make sense for normal people?
>>28659319>I wasn't with Tesla, but a different and very large EV companyThere is no other very large EV company, unless you're a chink.
>>28659321>so you think these companies will fail?I don't think they'll fail but they will probably be forced to consolidate their model lineup. Sedans are kill but I think normies are getting increasingly sick of the three+ flavors of SUV from each brand, and of course there will always be an oddball/halo model that will come and go.>Right when the economics of owning an EV is about to make sense for normal people?kek
>>28658040>longevityMate, there are 50 year old W123s and Land Cruisers that still get regularly driven today. BEVs are the final boss of automotive planned obsolescence.>reliable with less "things" to breakBut when those things do break, the car is effectively totaled.>fast as fuckI'll give you that one but the supercar space is still dominated by gasoline cars.
>>28658040If I ever feel like getting cooked alive in my own vehicle with no way to escape or even be rescued I'll consider getting an EV
>>28659338Pretty sure he is in Rivian.
>>28659339>Sedans are killSays who? The auto industry goes through fads and SUVs are just the latest one.
>>28659268>softwarehow aboutand hear me out here for a second..HOWABOUUT.. EVs being made like a normal fucking car with normal fucking parts? no need for spaceship full electronic bs, just a good ol' car but with a huge battery rather than an oily engine. NO more "update" as if it's a fucking phone>chargingthose new batteries will make you full charge in 5min (at least in 2030)>build qualityyeah its so ASS, $50.000+ and it still feels cheap as fuckI think that car manufacturers are just not ready to let go/adapt to this, its either a brand new companies or stick to what you're doing
>>28659360can't wait for the late 60s-70s restylings of the 2030s/40s while also heeding lessons learnt from the 90s retro design fads
>>28659339a brand new tesla with a LFP battery is rated for at least 300k miles, up to 500k miles if you dont let it drain 100-0 all the time. Sodium batteries are right around the corner and they're rated for 1 million miles. Why wouldnt normies pay a $10k premium for that
>>28659261one day yes but its not close https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDoPSofACAEi personally am looking forward to hydrogen rotary cars no carbon fouling and optimised burn for power not emissions
>>28659355Rivian's not big and they're expensive
>>28659558hydrogen combustion engines are a fucking meme
>>28659571yes but they will be a fun toy
>>28658040>joeover is the logo
>>28659319Is it Kia? Though their EVs are supposedly very reliable.
>>28659588Hyundai/Kia are making some of the best options right now yeah, but neither of them are an "EV company", they're just car manufacturers that have EV models.
>>28659321"economics" that make sense for normal people. I dunno if you have been keeping up with current events, but everyone is getting laid off and everyone is barely able to keep up with rents and food.
>>28659600A pure EV company? Not many exist. It can't be Polestar as it doesn't fit your description. Could be Chinese brand like BYD I guess.
>>28659604I'm not the guy who claimed to work for whatever mystery EV company, so it's possible he's saying he worked for an EV company but actually just worked on the assembly line for like Ford or some shit, I'm just pointing out that the only companies that actually fit the description he gave are Tesla or chink startups.
>>28659345With an ICE car you spread the cost of maintenance as long as you own it. You can also save money if you do your own work on it. With an EV you spend everything at once when the battery dies.
itt: ev fags who were so mongoloid to buy into the ev scam, falling for scammers like musk and are now seething and dilating because their shitcan lost 99% of its value the moment the got in the first time. ev fags are the crypto fags of the car world. literally trying to manifest a future that will never be because otherwise they are left to hold the bag. sad.
>>28658549KEK
>>28659645>Buy EV because it will last several times longer than a rube goldberg machine>only critism the oil cucked sheep have is it can't be resoldNot running on all four burners, are you squirt. Probably from all the coal burning fumes. From both your car and your wife.
>>28659657have fun replacing the battery, which is 80% of the car value, "squirt"
>>28659706Have fun totaling your car because it couldn't pass SMOG.
>>28658183>Oil refineries shut downYeah I wonder who could be behind that....
>>28658515>doesn't look like somaliaScandinavia, Minnesota, and Maine would disagree with you.
>>28658640>For China, yes. For America, no.They need to offset their carbon footprint with all the coal power plants they keep building. Funny how nothing is said about that except that brief spat with Greta Thunberg that was quickly memory-holed. Can't criticize the country corporations, Wall Street, and Democrats love with their sweet slave labor and zero rights that is funding Russia's war in Ukraine. Slave Ukraina, am I right?
>>28659243>Republicans push gas only because that's what le dumb redneck voter block says they like.It is the cheapest, most reliable option. If EV wasn't a scheme by the government and corporations to further control your freedom of movement but actually was cheaper, more reliable than gas then people wouldn't be opposed to it. It's none of those things. Unreliable garbage to further give the establishment more control over your life? No thank you.
>>28659902>to further control your freedom of movement ??? >"fuel" can be obtained from numerous different sources, including in one's own homestead >can replenish in the comfort and safety of said homestead, no need to regularly visit specialized distribution locations, where "disaffected social classes" often "mingle"
>>28659338It's a Chinese company, but does operate in the US and has plenty of local offices.>>28659366>EVs being made like a normal fucking car with normal fucking parts?They're essentially computers with wheels, the only normal car parts on them is the suspension. Computers and their modules all have their own software and require patching, and EVs are no different. Sometimes the updates improve efficiency and range, but most of the time they just cause bugs and fuck some shit up.>those new batteries will make you full charge in 5min (at least in 2030)You can have the fastest charging battery on Earth but that doesn't mean anything if the charging stations won't push that much power. Like I said, a lot of charging stations will go "up to" their stated wattage but in my experience, they never do and always have some shitty slow charge. Maybe you'd be able to achieve it at 1am when there's no pressure on the grid, but good fucking luck during regular daytime hours.>yeah its so ASS, $50.000+ and it still feels cheap as fuckUntil stuff like the batteries and drivetrains get really cheap, build quality will keep being ass. The other issue is the weight, those batteries weigh a massive amount and it becomes the balance of the weight vs battery size for getting more range. One way they try to cut that down already is lightweight plastic, which makes things even more cheap and shitty.
>forget to pay for the newest drive_car dlc>elon turns off your car
>>28659902Gas is massively subsidized by the government using your tax dollars retard
>>28659919There is nothing about an EV that requires more computerization than any ICE vehicle made in the last 40 years. The problems you're describing are invented by the manufacturers who insist on shoving tons of useless nanny tech into the car, you can very much just shove an electric powertrain into a car with a BMS and a couple of switches hooked up for acceleration/braking and leave it at that if you want to, there are a billion youtube videos of people doing exactly that with EV conversions. You're stuck on this idea that EVs necessarily require way more computerization than already exists in cars because you're retarded.
>>28658530>>28659893I live all of 5 minutes from one of the poorest, most dangerous neighborhoods in the country. It might look like downtown Mogadishu there, but just up the road where I live the streets are well maintained and lined with million dollar mansions.
>>28660013Governments that create their own money don't "use" tax dollars to "pay" for things. Spending is independent from revenue (that's why they can spend to a deficit in the first place).Government spending creates/issues new money (and bank loans create deposits). Taxation destroys money (as does paying off debts). So when governments give tax breaks to oil companies or tax incentives to EV buyers, they are just not destroying money.
>>28658040>Trying to praise electrics>Use a car that killed a company Troll thread methinks
>>28658396>>28658399EVs would be kinda cool if they weren't made so gay ngl
>>28658040>fast as fuckthis is actually a problem, we need the 90hp shitboxes out there so retards and the elderly can't get in as much trouble.
>>28658515>The mob boss gives you a cheap frozen turkey for Christmas, therefore he never did any crime ever
>>28660423perhaps stop electing overtly corrupt mafia wannabes
>>28659256It would also be cut by 100% if you killed yourself
>>28659319Rivian?
>>28660442That anon works/worked for Lucid, I am pretty sure.
>>28659911>Mandatory GPS and computer systems dictate if it works or not
>>28660433You think they get in place because of elections?
>>28660448I thought lucid was Saudi owned?
>>28660464Explicitly, yes.60% of Americans don't vote.
>>28660585Vote for mobsters?
>>28660628Our current President and his family have direct ties to the Russian mafia through their real estate dealings. Just an example.
>>28660193okay, using a combination of YOUR tax dollars and YOUR savings by way of inflationary spending then, retard
>>28660404That piece of shit concept didn't kill Jaguar, they were already dead when they pulled that stunt.
>>28659293>Autistic ones that do practically venerate japanese na shitboxesSTOP GANGSTALKING ME AND MAZDA YOU FUCKING GLOWTARD AAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>28658396This is actual delusion. You can dislike EVs but there is absolutely less things that can break, fail, malfunction.
>>28661897It's never enough for retards on this board to just say "I don't like them" they have to invent retarded reasons in their heads to justify it and pretend that every modern car isn't 100% computer controlled regardless of powertrain. Ultimately they're just making it obvious that they're retarded faggots who don't know dick about cars.
