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Why does autocross get shit on here?

It's a cheap way to learn your cars' limits and transition to track days.
Going to track days after 2-3 years of Autocross was easy.
It taught me more than carting or sim racing ever did.
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>>28666255
because some guys you race against just think it's demolition derby
i'd rather do 390cc karting instead with decent marshalls
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>>28666255
I read file names
Also there are like 2 people on the entire board who go to racing events on the regular, and not many more who have had track time whatsoever
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>>28666255
Its an American sport. The non-Americans, or as I've taken to calling them "homosexuals" get bitchy about things they can't do.
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>>28666336
It's an American term. Gymkhana is what is used elsewhere.
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>>28666340
They're completely different sports that look the same. Like American football and rugby, autocross and gymkhana are different.
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>>28666349
>cones in a parking lot
>cones in a parking lot, japan
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>>28666351
No, gymkhana has you do stuff like slalom and drive in reverse, but autocross is built to emulate a road.
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>>28666336
in the uk, autocross is amateurs in shitboxes racing around a field against each other.
https://youtu.be/8BgjfMePMMc
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Because you get 3-4 minutes of seat time the whole day and don't learn as much as breaking the traction limit on the street. It's boring.
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>>28666360
Probably doesn't help that every country has a different meaning for autocross
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>>28666255
Is that supposed to be like motocross but for faggots?
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>>28666357
>gymkhana has you do stuff like slalom
jfc im outta here
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>>28666411
Okay we won't miss you.
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>>28666366
Where on the street are you able to push the limits of breaking turning an accelerating 200+ times in 5min?
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>>28666255
They used to have it at the mall here on weekends like 15 years ago but they stopped doing it for what ever reason. There used to be rally also on sundays but I havent seen anyone driving between stages in about the same time as when the autox stopped.
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>>28666255
>learn a cars limit
>at 20mph in a parking lot
Kek
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>>28666255
Because its a retarded middle ground between just going go Karting and going to a track. I legitimately had more fun going on 120kph go karts than I ever did conefagging.
>stand around for 40 minutes
>launch your car and never even get out of second
>whip it back and fourth a bunch of times.
>not even enough time to get the tires hot
>stand around for another 40 minutes
Seriously it's dumb as shit. Just rent some fast go karts. It's cheaper and you don't beat the shit out of your car for no reason.
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>>28666255
>Why does autocross get shit on here?
Because it's mostly burgers posting there and they don't even know autocross is a thing.

>>28666336
>Its an American sport. The non-Americans, or as I've taken to calling them "homosexuals" get bitchy about things they can't do.
Funny how there's actual European Autocross championship as a recognized motorsport then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbADkJH6zGs
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>>28666590
>actual European Autocross championship as a recognized motorsport then
Its a football/american football thing, anon. Euros do a type of dirt racing, Americans do cone racing.
Brits apparently have their own type as well.
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>>28666255
making a car fast in autocross is making it shit for everything other than zipping in a parking lot.
https://youtu.be/QpoIs9iPHoM?si=dsHvbBCnyhrkkn0e
to be competetive you need wider tires that actually fit in your wheel wells, gear final drive ratios that would make it miserable to drive,
stripped naked interior for weight reduction
and stupid camber angles.
building a competetive autocross car is to destroy a good street car.
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>>28666599
so just like any other competitive racing league
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>>28666599
I wouldn't take an F1 car to the grocery store.
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>>28666605
But an F1 car is a purpose built race car. It's not a transvestite street car.
Imaging building a car to race around parking lots but it's no good for actually driving in a parking lot lmao
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>>28666610
They're both purpose built but from a different starting point, but if you don't think F1 is valid just replace it with literally any high level race car for any motorsport. Even the ones that aren't completely stripped down have so much shit that makes them suck for anything except racing.

But still I'm pretty sure autocross uses modification classes, so the guy who drives up in his stock sedan isn't competing against the guy who trailers in his homer mobile.
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>>28666255
>driving around cones on a perfectly flat carpark in 2nd gear at 30mph

It's just straight up gay ok?
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>>28666419
They have these things called "mountain roads" where you can go around REAL CORNERS and there might even by some ELEVATION CHANGES and if you're lucky you might even GET OUT OF 2ND GEAR
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>>28666599
Wasted dubs.
The majority of suspension settings that work well for autocross also translate into road racing.

>>28666644
>>28666554
My last autocross had the 2x 80mph sections.
No spot of the course was 20mph.
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>>28666604
>>28666617
NTA but the point that that anon is making is that the idea of autocross "being a motorsport" is completely at odds with the concept of "learning your car's limits and whipping it in a parking lot." If you want it to be the former, then what wins is going to be a standard layout that maximizes autocross performance, "like any other motorsport." If you want it to be the latter, then it can't be a sport at all because essentially every car is going to be in a class of one and nobody is competing to see who's better in your "class."

If you want it to be the latter, then that's fine (I actually think it's better that way). But people who want it to be the former are essentially spending a ton of time and money rebuilding and destroying a car for what is essentially a fake track day, which is pretty stupid when one considers that the money it would take to make a car competitive at autocross is roughly the same amount of money that it would take to make a car competitive at a track day class, and if you have that kind of money, then why not spend the extra $300 and do an actual track day? You clearly have the money to do that if you have the money to mod a car that heavily, so autocross becomes irrelevant.

It's like proposing a version of baseball set on a teeny-tiny field where everyone can bring their own differently-shaped and sized bat and ball used for every play and simultaneously attempting to justify it in one direction by saying that this lets everyone bring whatever bat and ball they have without having to get a new one but also justifying it in the other direction by saying that it's a real sport when we standardize all the bats and balls. If you have the ability to buy the standardized bats and balls, why don't you just find a full-sized field and play real baseball? If you want autocross to be taken seriously and standardized, just pick an actual, preexisting form of motorsport like your local track or karting circuit.
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>>28666666
complete and utter fucking WASTE of goddamn digits
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>>28666666
only 111,111 more posts and we can try again for something slightly meaningful instead of this trash
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>>28666357
>>28666411
>>28666416
lmfao
dude's idea of gymkhana comes from DiRT
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>>28666666
>My last autocross had the 2x 80mph sections
Wow so it was on an empty airstrip and had a couple of 1/2 mile straight sections =)
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>>28666667
but I'm pretty sure theres classes, so you're not competing to be the best ever at autocross, you're competing to be the best at your class.

To use your baseball analogy theres little league, where you just drive your street car in and a few leagues up theres super baseball where everyone is on the most steroids they could be on. The 8 year old isn't competing against the guy who regularly breaks bats.

>>28666666
Nice digits
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>>28666666
>Wasted dubs.
most wasted satan get of all time
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>>28666679
>you're not competing to be the best ever at autocross, you're competing to be the best at your class.
Yes, but the issue is that all of the classes involve heavy modifications that require Track Day levels of money and time, which brings us back to "why don't you just do a Track Day?" Even in something like the Street Class there's a big difference between a guy who brings a sports car and a guy who rolls up with their Dodge Grand Caravan because they thought it would be funny. One of these is clearly competitive in the format and the other is clearly not.

The thing though is that's fine; I think the most based autocross people are people who bring shit that couldn't possibly be tracked like 70's Luxobarges and proudly proclaim that they're there to snap the suspension throwing that 5000lb ass in a circle. I love seeing people bust out wacky shit like tiny 90's pickups or classic muscle cars and other stuff that makes you go "haha, what the fuck." I love seeing people show up in their mom's Chevrolet Suburban and say "fuck you, I'm tracking it." That's a great way to bring elements of the car community together that may not normally interact. We can even celebrate the surprisingly good times that people might get in super suboptimal vehicles. I think this is autocross at its best.

But we also have to accept that, definitionally, this isn't really anything that resembles a meaningful sport.
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>>28666255
Because they follow SCCA rules which are fucking GAY>

>change stereo speakers.
>Oh, a modification. That puts you in Sports Racing then.

Hyperbole of course but even mild changes to a car will move you up classes, often to the point of being hopelessly uncompetetive.
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>>28666689
But now you're arguing against anything that isn't stock car racing, anon. Yeah any race that has differences in the cars themselves will give advantage to whoever is driving the technically faster car.
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>>28666696
>But now you're arguing against anything that isn't stock car racing, anon.
No, I'm saying that there's a point when rules and regulations become too lax for something to be a sport anymore, and that when autocross is just "a couple of guys and some cones in a parking lot" it ceases to be a sport, and when regulations are applied to it, it becomes a somewhat meaningless one.

What is or isn't a sport is a spectrum, just like many things in life. Just because we can't point to a specific point when rules are too wide or nonsensical to be distinguishable from Calvinball does not mean that the category of "things that are sports" is no longer distinguishable from the category of "things that are not sports."
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>>28666689
>Yes, but the issue is that all of the classes involve heavy modifications that require Track Day levels of money and time
~1/3 of the SCCA autocross classes are for cars that are mostly stock
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>>28666703
>~1/3 of the SCCA autocross classes are for cars that are mostly stock
And like I said, those classes are so general that they are at times meaningless. You can enter the "high horsepower rear wheel drive coupe and sedan" class with a Dodge Ram.
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>>28666699
Its a sport but its not a super serious one. Thats why its fun, because its not super serious.

I can have a 6'8 roided out freak on my work kick ball team playing against a bunch of middle aged 5' women and its still a sport. Were still members of a league.

This is a sport where the competitors go out and help fix the cones for the people they're racing against.
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I think rallycross is way cooler than autocross personally
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>>28666723
I've been defending autocross in this thread a lot and I agree with you.
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>>28666255
Idk, /o/ is full of fags.
They complain about Autocross, but never go to the track.
If they do, their times are 10 seconds off the pace.

I'll Autocross on Sat, then hit up a track day on Sunday.
Idk why driver-Lets can't do both.
It's 2 different skillsets that build off each other.
Why would anyone limit what kind of driving they do?
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>>28666699
>Calvinball
you're old
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>>28666718
>Thats why its fun, because its not super serious.
I agree, I just don't think it's a sport at that level or even should be. If anything I'd say it's more of a game or an activity. I don't have an issue with autocross at all, just with people who think that autocross is the closest thing the common man can come to Formula racing.
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>>28666729
Brother I've seen your autocross vids and it's the gayest thing I've ever seen.
From memory you can't even heel-toe on a racetrack - which is just a perfect encapsulation of the skills of the average autocross enthusiast.
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>>28666736
I still think its fine to call it a sport, but for the average person who competes its like a work bowling league sort of thing. Like you're there mostly because its fun to compete and shoot the shit with some other dudes, if you don't win thats fine and if you win thats great. I hope my analogies are landing.

I'll agree though that anyone who compares it to formula racing is a stupid fuck.
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>>28666744
>for the average person who competes its like a work bowling league sort of thing.
I understand what you're getting at; I think the difference is just where we draw the line since for me a work bowling league is still within the field of being a "game," even if it's a "competitive game" (the term "e-sports" bugs the everliving shit out of me). I think we otherwise agree though; I just find the people who go to autocross and see themselves as Dom Toretto-tier street racers are cringe.
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>>28666737
You're an idiot if you think it's necessary to heel-toe in autocross.
Where did you get that dumb idea from?

Anyways, I might build a drift 3rd gen just so I can enjoy another area of performance driving.
I don't know why retards limit themselves.
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>>28666772
That's the point you retard - driving around a flat carpark at 20mph is so gay you didn't even learn how to hee-toe after doing it for like... years
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>>28666788
you can heel toe but you cant take a proper line

gratz bro im sure you'll be faster
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>>28666793
Yeah it turns out you can actually enter a corner a lot faster when you don't have to half shift-lock your rear tyres on corner entry
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>>28666799
is that what best motoring told you?
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>>28666649
yeah and they're filled with either boomer faggots doing 24 in a 45 or cops waiting around every blind corner
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>>28666806
Holy shit you're actually too retarded to understand even basic handling dynamics, autocross really is completely useless.
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>>28666772
>You're an idiot if you think it's necessary to heel-toe in autocross
This is true, because autox fags never leave 1st gear lmao.
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>>28666788
Did you know that heel-toe at the track isn't actually faster?
I had this discussion with an instructor who is a 24-hour of Daytona WINNER.
As Long as you're releasing the clutch between downshifts at the correct RPM there's no benefit to heel-toe.
But I bet your dumbass didn't know that.

Here's a 4C I drafted on the straight.
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>>28666816
AutoX is done mostly on 2nd gear.
Some cars with short (sub 70mph) 2nd might need 3rd on a fast course.
My 2nd goes to 83mph so it's no problem to tap the revve limiter for a second or so.
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>>28666255
Autocross is the hobby horse of automotive racing.
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>>28666909
How do you increase your engine's RPM to match the next gear without using heel-toe?
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>>28666255
Because it's the last resort of flyover fags who live 6 hours from a track and have only straight flat roads to drive on. Most people have access to somewhere fun to drive, this is just WalMart parking lot LARPing .
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Of course the turdgen driverlet comes out of the woodwork larping as a professional racer
This kid throws 12" wide semislicks on his street car lmao what a larper
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>>28666965
>semislicks
Imagine being so clueless you think a 200tw is a semi slick.
Imagine using the word "semislick"
Pro tip: no track driver even uses that word.

Anyways, I did 21 track days this summer & 276 autocross runs.
lower your voice when talking to me.
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>>28667008
>6 million autocross and track days
>still hasn't mastered the simple heel-toe downshift
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>>28667008
get a load of this fucking retard
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>>28667008
Even worse the larper uses actual slicks lmao
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>>28667018
Excuse me sweaty he is sponsored by tire rack he clearly is a subject matter expert with his total 500 minutes of autox time done this summer
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>>28667049
Oh sorry I miscalculated
276 runs x 20 seconds a run = who even cares lmao
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>>28666909
Wait is this nigga serious rn he thinks you don't need to heel toe? I'm seriously doubting your "championship" winning unless you were the only person in your division now kek.
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>>28667061
It's the same guy who made a homedepot wing out of plexiglass and made up some random downforce figures kek
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>>28667051
Even worse, it comes out to 92 minutes.
kek
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>>28666255
Because it's 6 hours of standing in a parking lot shagging cones and 4 minutes of seat time. If you want to learn the limits of your just drive in an empty parking lot for free.
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>>28666965
305s are a common fitment for American cars yes

>>28667075
Wait until you find out what they're making splitters out of in 2025...dude is sponsored by Home Depot LMAO
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>>28667369
This. There's 4 events in the next month or 2 around here but I don't want to be standing around and picking up cones for hours. I'll just drive to an hpde and use sim in the meantime.
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>>28667017
>>28667018
>>28667047
>>28667365
No one calls 200tw "semi slicks"
Not even Bridgestone.
You fags are are just Track-lets.


>>28667049
>>28667051
That's an average of 20 hours on a RACE track and 23 hours Cone running.
Meanwhile anons have zero Track time
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>>28667398
3.8hrs cone running*
Forgot the 2nd division step
Only poor fags limit what they do with their cars.
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>>28667398
I never said anything about tires, nigger.
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>>28666255
Because this board is shit and populated by absolute faggots that only ever want to shit on things
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>>28666689
> Yes, but the issue is that all of the classes involve heavy modifications that require Track Day levels of money and time, which brings us back to "why don't you just do a Track Day?"
Why wouldn’t uprgades to a car for autocross not roll over to track days? A stiffer swaybar or coil overs will do wonders for both
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>>28667398
Weird thing to sperg out about but then I suppose you needed something to distract from the retardation you were spewing about heel-toe earlier....
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>because some guys you race against just think it's demolition derby
I don't think you know what autocross is
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If I only put on 5000 miles per year on my car, including track events, is there any reason not to just run 200tw tires year round?
It rarely gets below freezing so winter use shouldn't be an issue
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>>28667761
Do you have enough power to make 200tw actually FUN?
Or are you happy to turn your car into lame machine that bogs down even if you slam the throttle on mid corner?
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>>28666666
>The majority of suspension settings that work well for autocross also translate into road racing.
Time Attack maaaybe, there's a pretty big difference in what you can get away with for 2 minutes of overwhelmingly short duration corners and needing something to not run the tires off after 2 laps on a sweeping track.

>>28666689
You are completely retarded, stop writing walls of mucho texto of every autistic thought and confident misconception you have.

>>28666951
By releasing the clutch properly bus rider. Do you think every driver just goes around locking the drive wheels every downshift in vehicles where the pedals aren't even anatomically possible to heel/toe with or every grandma with a manual transmission Peugeot is doing the ebin Tagumi dance 30 times on the way to the grocery store? Slipping just requires concentrating on the shift longer and is harder on the clutch and this may or may not be an issue depending on use case. (FWD and AWD are less sensitive because the drive wheels aren't unloaded, the faster the driven wheel speed is falling the less rpm difference there is, the tighter the gearing the less rpm difference there is, and this all allows smaller blips or less slipping, how much back torque from the engine there is, how much drivetrain inertia there is, how often you change clutches anyways...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg1mvw2GilQ
Juha Kankunnen primarily doing clutch only downshifts and pressing the throttle and brake simultaneously just to spin revs up and finesse the rotation of the car the way left foot brakers do rather than rev match.

At the level of track day shitters heel/toe is just one of those yes/no things you can brag about without having to compare lap times with faster drivers. The way some people do it is ridiculously violent anyways.
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>>28667796
This entire thread....
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>>28666255
>somehow more expensive than an actual track day
>doesn’t teach you the limits of your car (too slow)
>gives a false sense of security/skill
It would be better if they just re-enacted movie stunts instead.
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>>28667793
Is 450 whp enough?
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>>28667761
you can easily outbrake people behind you and get rear-ended
>t. used to run nt-01s on my dd in the desert
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>>28667828
>somehow more expensive than an actual track day
>Cost: $50.00 for SCCA members; $65.00 for non-members (includes a weekend membership that has perks with the SCCA).
Where you can you run a track day for $50-$65?
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>>28667835
>cone-nigger can’t understand per capita
Pottery. Divide by minutes of seat time and you’ll see that track days are cheaper.
las has a track that’s like $70 for a whole day.
That’s about 8 hours of track time if your car can handle it. Many tracks you get multiple 20minute sessions for the price of admission.
Compare this vs $50 for 5-10 mins at autocross and you really aren’t saving anything except for brake pads because you’re going so slow.
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>>28667834
imagine brake checking with slicks lmao
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>>28667796
>>28667802
This thread hit a nerve for you I see. How much time did it take you to make this meme?
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the camarotard is a better racer than everyone itt
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>>28667835
>Autocross
$50-65 for 8-10 minutes of seat time
>HPDE/track
$250-300 for 1.5-2 hours of seat time
I wonder which is the better value proposition...
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>>28667796
>bro out there on race tracks dragging the clutch like a grandma because he can't learn simple foot coordination
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>>28667857
post a video of you on the track
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>>28667858
post a video of you shifting properly
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>>28667866
so you have zero seat time LMAO
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>>28667802
what actually happened
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>>28667866
>no video
Sad!
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>>28667846
I wasn’t brake checking, sometimes shit happens on the highway and you have to slam on the brakes.
I didn’t get rear-ended but it was close.
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>>28667858
MOGGED by the superior Townace.
(yes there was a heel-toe downshift in this entry)
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>>28667842
>That’s about 8 hours of track time if your car can handle it.
This is a hilariously casual "if", and there is nowhere that $70 for an open track day even resembles normal. In fact I'm sure that's a wild misinterpretation unless "las" is supposed to mean some 3rd world country where $70 is a week's income.

>>28667854
Well you see the difference is that the autocross has timing and officiating and trophies and the track day has you wasting laps waiting to get wave bys from boomers in Mustangs, so yes there is a reason it costs more per minute and I wouldn't call either clearly better priced depending what you want out out of it.
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>>28667897
Counter point: a track has actual corners, if you choose the right one maybe even some hills, and you might even get out of 2nd gear.
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>>28667897
Does your track not have run groups that divide racers by skill level and/or lap times?
Do you track at all?
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>>28667901
>>28667897
oh wait i get it, you probably drive in the beginner run group lmao
keep autocrossing buddy, maybe you'll learn to shift properly and get a real lap time after a few more seasons
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>>28667906
If you never have to pass anyone you are in fact the slow one retard.
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>>28667897
Las cruces has open track days for $70/day, lmao
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The Virgin Camaro conefagger
vs
The Chad S2000 Track enthusiast
vs
The Sigma Townace drifter
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>>28667909
if you aren't skilled enough to pass someone without getting a wave by then you're either a beginner or are racing in the beginner group (and are also a beginner)
genuinely git gud
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>>28667911
https://www.arroyosecoraceway.com/mctrackday.html
oops, I lied. It’s $77.50/day
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>>28667915
>racing
You keep saying this
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>>28667008
how the fuck did you do 21 track days without learning how to heel toe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqWFeh7uvn4 did you cut the audio at 1:08 because you crunched something
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trackdays are for slow people afraid of actual door to door racing, yes the guy racing B-spec in a Fit is a better driver than you
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>>28667916
You linked an outdated page about motorcycle track days. It's $90 for time attack which is session based and $110 for public use on off days, and it's that cheap because the track is a goat path in the middle of nowhere in the desert where all the turns are as slow as a parking lot cone course and they don't bother having any corner workers or on sight medical which most tracks would not be able to do for insurance reasons.
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>>28667972
>"Racing" in a car with such little power and so much tyre and the wrong drivetrain layout so that using too much accelerator too early only results in running a little wide and a lowered lap time with no possibility for loss of control and no danger of crashing
Nah miss with me that sad excuse for "racing"
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>>28667980
t. does glorified parade laps all day
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>>28667980
Meanwhile literally nothing you do at a track day matters unless you manage to hit something for no reason.
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>>28667982
-t. gets MOGGED by the superior Townace
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>>28667984
Real race cars can get squirrely out of corners and still go fast, if getting squirrely out of a corner has to be avoided at all costs because your car is so underpowered and over gripped that it results in bogging down - then your "racing" series is gay.
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>>28667952
my bad, conefagging (at your level at least) isn't racing
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>>28667008
btw you are about 8-10 seconds off pace with 368whp and a7s. heres an oe aero f20c s2 dusting you. driver isnt happy with the time and wants to come back and get a 48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRaa1xxU0Rw

your setup looks like terminal understeer which is kinda crazy for someone running penskes that cost as much as my whole suspension setup with everything

good news for you though the best way to gain time is in the braking zone which youll be able to do if you learn how to heel toe and stop coasting into digs. get that monkey off your back and youll drop probably 4 seconds before you even start getting into entry oversteer
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>>28667973
>let me tell you about your track
>even though I’ve never been
>and I can’t even tell a racetrack from a parking lot
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>>28667989
you have literally never raced, your experience at track days is irrelevant
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>>28667992
Forget about that lol, here he is getting dusted by a stock engine S2000 on 255 A052s.
This is the power of a driver who can actually heel-toe and trail brake into corners.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og_gB1Q4pko
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>>28668005
I'm sure you, as a retard who can't even understand basic driving dynamics like "half shift-locking your rear tyres on corner entry is bad actually" would think that
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>>28668008
Surely you can produce a video of yourself participating in a sanctioned racing series at a track organized by any number of local sactioning bodies.
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>>28667996
What magic makes those corners twice as fast as their width, radius, and camber allows for if I drive 6 hours out into the desert to the track you clearly don't actually go to because you keep making up shit about it Pedro? That they don't hold head to head car racing on it says everything.
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>>28668014
>can't even heel-toe
>"b-b-b-but my shitty driving was sAnCTioNeD so it's better!!!"
lmao
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>>28667992
He is not going to gain a second per downshift lmao. Even the one he fucked up probably wasn't worth more than half a second.
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>>28668018
I am not the anon you are ass-blasted about. Post track videos.
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>>28668008
live rear axle cars are funny and can put up with being driven like that
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MOGGED
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>>28668026
If you enter a corner so slow that your rear tyres aren't actually anywhere near the limit of traction sure
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>>28668036
why would your rear tires be at the limit of traction on entry you fucking retard
midcorner sure, but entry? no. don't be retarded
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>>28668042
One day if you ever master the art of trail braking maybe you'll find out lmao
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>>28668047
that is effectively what it does, it's a little bit of extra rear end braking as you roll into to the turn, supplied by the engine and the rotating mass of the rear axle, causes positive rotation. pick up a physics textbook son. not everything is a mcdonalds strutted plastic engined open diff vw beetle that will spin out and kill you if you so much as look at the pedals wrong
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>>28668056
>extra rear braking
Why weren't your rear tyres already on the threshold retard?
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>>28668059
because i developed a suboptimal driving style as a result of refusing to learn how to shift correctly
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>>28668064
Yup
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>>28668023
Yeah I don't think the people understand how much of a wilfull disadvantage he's putting himself at running a third gen. Those cars have shit chassis/suspension vs a S2000 that CAN actually put it's power down out of a corner. It's a step above a pro touring boomer shitbox and he'd unironically be faster if it was him in the S2000 or even a newer pony car like a S197 Mustang that for example won't flatspot a tire if he goes a little too hard into the brakes.
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>>28668121
I don't think you understand how soft he's going into some of those corners.
Watch >>28668006 at the 1 minute mark going into the dip on 255s and compare it to 3rd Gen guy with his 315s
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>>28668141
A 400hp/3000lb LRA pony car with literal ox cart suspension and the chassis stiffness of a 1982 American Car is going to be sketchy to drive hard even with 315s. You're underestimating how difficult it is to push those old American cars hard, they have no problem biting back and the additional power is a liability (again why his car is setup to understeer...you WANT that if you're hitting 150+ mph). New cars like S2000s and BRZs are a lot easier to go fast in and get the most out of them. He doesn't have ABS for example and I'm 90% sure he still has recirculating ball steering (maybe even no hydraulic assist).

He would have a easier time pushing hard if you put him in a <20 year old platform like a C5 Corvette or a S197/S550 Mustang where he's not having to work against the car's flaws and deficiencies as he drives. I've driven a LS1 F-Body on a track and I know I would get clapped by a C5 with the same exact power because the C5 is easier to drive fast. You're not fighting the constant feeling of the back end feeling like it's about to break loose/skip on you and the C5 can put power down easier than I could going in and out of corners.
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>>28668152
Spoken like a true driverlet who can't actually assess the mechanical dynamics in front of him.
Firstly if the car is so unstable we'd see him wrestling with it - watch some Goodwood onboard if you want to see what a fast lap looks like in an unstable ox-cart car.
Secondly if you knew anything about driving fast you would INSTANTLY recognise the sound of him gently rolling off the throttle, instead of snapping off and jumping straight onto the brakes, and you'd notice all the time he spends COASTING - which is the #1 no-no for anyone who actually knows how to drive.
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>>28668168
>le hecking gooderwood drivers

nearly always have a professional (at the BARE minimum semi-pro) background when everyone here is a amateur doing open track days with controlled passing at intermediate pace AT BEST

>gently rolling off the throttle

yeah you dont want to snap off in a high powered rwd car you can get away with that when you have 200whp and 255s
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>>28668190
>but dey iz proffessionals
Yeah that's the point retard - that's why they know how to drive GOOD.
>yeah you dont want to snap off in a high powered rwd car
retard
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>>28668202
>dey iz professionals

yeah no shit even the camarotard isnt claiming to be one, he's just faster than anyone ITT
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>>28667878
Underrated and gold.
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>>28668204
He's slow and if you think he's fast it's only because you're slow too.
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>>28666255
>Why does autocross get shit on here?
because its pretender, parking lot bullshit- ran by out-of-touch, overweight boomers who have retarded rules. Actually go and do real circuit-racing, you pathetic bitch.
>>28666694
>but even mild changes to a car will move you up classes, often to the point of being hopelessly uncompetetive.
exactly. Circuit racing has its BS too but its actually more fair/relaxed than some pretentious parking lot shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ide8lXUDirM
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>>28668214
just do both

what kills me is the people shitting on one and claiming to do the other by their own admission can't go more than 4-5 times a year if that

>>28668212

post receipts
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>>28668221
Oh look! Everyone who actually knows how to drive fast snaps off the throttle and dives onto the brakes regardless of how much HP their car has and basically... you're just retarded!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI8bGAHwaQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytOujHHsIwI
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>>28668221
>just do both
no nigga im not doing homosexual >>28666934 parking lot cone gay fake "autocross" shit. We track day or we dont
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>>28668226
then its your loss seat time is seat time bitch nigga you're not getting faster shitposting on 4chan

>>28668225
you should do it in your own car and post videos for us
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You want me to MOGG everyone ITT for the 10th time?
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>>28668231
that's not you though lmao :skull: :skull:
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>>28668229
>seat time is seat time
>i-its just like c-circuit racing g-guys
your "autocross" seat time is equivalent to sitting on this dick, bitchnigga. Too afraid to go to the track with the bros so he has to cope by saying "autocross" is just like circuit racing time attack. (Its not). Yeah, ok there special ed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwa3RyfuYjg
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>>28668236
>gets MOGGED so hard he can't even believe it

Always a satisfying response.
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>>28668238
still not you driving

>>28668237
still you not doing either

all im asking for is receipts and people refuse to deliver, interesting!
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>>28666255
because it looks slow from videos outside the car, and people who don't drive irl don't understand the advantage that driving the same track over and over gives you vs autocross where you have usually less than 3 minutes of total track time to set your personal best. it's the most g forces per minute per dollar you can experience in your car without crashing. anyone who has done a ride along in a fast autox car wouldn't say dumb shit like >>28666649

>>28668034
>crossing the mustard
cringe
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>>28668249
That is indeed me, cope and seethe about it lmao
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>>28668277
Go on then big fella, show us your not-cringe driving
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>>28668277
>>crossing the mustard
Nta but i been that road plenty times and outside of middle of the day on a public holiday there is never any traffic
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>>28668284
bread on hood?
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>>28668168
Being slow between full throttle and brake costs you almost nothing relative to track day dickwaving terms. It kills you side by side in a race and you aren't going to set lap records doing it but it's worth very little lap time compared to other things, something that is specifically taken advantage of to win races on fuel mileage numerous times every year.

>>28668237
Some of the worst driving I have ever seen done on camera was when I was bored enough to watch WTAC this year. Obviously there's pro race drivers being hired to drive some cars but there was some real special shit going on in lower classes.

>>28668214
Where is the circuit racing? All you posted was some faggy marketing.
>production car lap record
>as long as you ignore all those production race cars that had to adhere to actual rules and could run more than 1 lap in a row that were still faster despite being cucked with air restrictors and ballast
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>>28668285
drifting is fine I guess but the way you're swerving all over the road you might as well put 14 inch swangas on yo slab playa

>>28668297
there's like one well known twisty road around here and retarded kids in their toyobarus playing takumi are constantly doing this and it's blown the spot for everyone.
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>>28668307
>Some of the worst driving I have ever seen done on camera was when I was bored enough to watch WTAC this year
Most of the entires are randoms who throw big money to have a car built. Or shops who have the car driven by the owner who doesn't know how to drive fast.
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>>28666913
it must be nice being able to keep your car in second gear
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>>28668311
Go on - show us some non swerving
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>>28668317
I mean I get it, but it's still really fucking funny, especially in the context of people larping that going to track days makes you a badass racing driver on 4chan.
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>>28666255
>Why does autocross get shit on here?
Because it's a dumb money pit. If you want to mog every autocross car ever just buy a go kart.
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>>28667008
You're a faggot and I'll kill you
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>>28668350
Fight me

>>28668347
How is autocross a moneypit lol

The whole point is that it's cheap and accessible unless you're competitive to the point you're justifying building a car to win a specific class nationally.
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>>28668354
OK Bruce Raymond of Plainfield, Indiana
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>>28668321
I drive a recognizable car in an active region so no thanks, I will not be doxxing myself on a kyrgystani throat singing board. good on you for having shit opsec though.

>>28668354
nta but every motorsport is a money pit, just to varying degrees and tastes
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>>28668361
diabolical
why you gotta do bro like this
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>>28668347
You won't mog the other karts though.
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>>28668354
>The whole point is that it's cheap and accessible
And it fails on both points compared to real track time, as previously shown in this thread.
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>>28668370
Another flawless mogging by the superior Townace.
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>>28668371
Bald nigga should get back to his boomer forum
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>>28668378
anon I can respect your huge balls but street drifting is embarrassing to anyone older than 16
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>>28668384
You never grew out of enjoying motorsports, you just realized that you're too much of a poorfag to even get a $5k shitbox and thrash it for fun
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>>28668395
my fun car was only about 6k before prep. my tires are almost 1k/set and last a season if I'm lucky. the vast majority of people are too poor to afford the consequences of small mistakes when driving like that on the street. if you want to stunt in public at least do it on a bike so you only fuck yourself up when you hit a minivan full of kids. otherwise you're worse than sideshow retards sliding at an intersection.
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>>28668384
Yeah yeah tell me all about how great you are while posting no footage lmao
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>>28668418
>his tires cost less than $1k
what kinda car/build we talking about here?
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>>28668426
245 section width super 200s for autox. I don't have a trailer or contingency money so that's my budget.

>>28668422
not doxxing myself retard, cry more
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>>28668361
>his name is actually Bruce

pretty chad name ngl doxed and doesnt afraid of anything

>>28668370
>opsec
>recognizable car in an active region
>le epic hacker board known as 4chan

no one gives a fuck what are you stuck in 2011 yeah dude we're gonna deliver pizzas to your house epic for the win yeah someones gonna come up to you next event and give you a handjob after you exchange the secret handshake

>>28668384
its not actually him lmao he's taking clips from this video

https://www.fb.com/watch/?v=1071942011540953
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>>28668448
cope and seethe >>28668319
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>>28668370
You aren't important enough to be instantly recognised by your car, you stupid nigger
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>>28668474
you literally had more recognizable/infamous people like equinox on this board for a long time and people are talking about opsec like they hold a ts/sci clearance and post under a trip or they're a politician/celebrity. fucking everyone goes on 4chan in 2025 its retarded i see worse shit than what i see on /pol/ getting likes by complete normies i work with irl on instagram

>>28668452
>random engine bay shot of what could be literally any car

congrats?
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>>28668492
ehh, that EF guy regularly posts pics of his family and people just find it more insufferable than anything else
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>>28668448
it's all fun and games until some psycho fed or schizo with infinite time or datamining bot farm scrapes through the archive and starts harassing you irl. you might not have anything to lose but losing irrelevant pissing contests with autists online is a small price to pay for peace of mind. they're inventing more and more ways to fuck with you online every day. the clearnet ain't what it used to be.
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>>28668492
>a turbo on a Townace engine in a Townace engine bay with Townace torsion bar suspension in the background
>"could be literally any car"

Keep coping lmao, Idgaf
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>>28668498
the opsec argument makes more sense on reddit where we can just look up your username in 5 seconds and see you're posting about diaperfur content or posting your fat ugly wife on a swingers subreddit while also shit talking and starting flamewars in another hobby subreddit

on 4chan posting as anonymous its fucking retarded neurotic paranoia
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>>28668501
You aren't that special.
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>>28668505
i literally dont know what the fuck any of that looks like im american do you think im a expert in japanese market work vans

you could have simply sufficed posting a picture of the car

>>28668501
feds arent real

schizos with infinite time can simply get blocked and even the most retarded schizo knows that irl trolling has consequences of a punch to the mouth

think of how likely it is you'll meet someone from this thread irl and it not ending up as any further than "ok well thats just ur opinion fag lmao"
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>>28668510
NMP lmao
If you don't believe that's a turbo on a Townace engine in a Townace engine bay then do some research and prove me wrong.

Otherwise stfu
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>>28668519
ok so you're wrong and still a fag still no proof its your car

yeah dude let me do all this research on townaces no suck my dick the burden of proof is on you retard
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>>28668522
I did prove it lmao, you're just coping and seething
>but how do I KNOW that's a Townace engine bay?????
If you wanted to find out, instead of coping, you would.
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>>28668525
>le coping seething!!!!111

we can go back and forth all night retard i have no desire to look up the engine bay of some japanese work van
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>>28668527
Whatever helps you cope buddy
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>>28668528
seething
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>>28668531
yeah righto buddy
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>>28668508
so then post a picture of your face with your license plate fully visible. you won't.

>>28668510
everyone has a different level of risk tolerance. I'm not going to risk even a microscopic level of exposure just for bragging rights on this retarded site. anyone who cares about privacy is going to have to start treating the entire internet like a public library computer if they know what's good for them.
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>>28668535

i am going to tell your employer you think autocrossing is a fake motorsport

you better get that ass ready chud
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>>28668538
jokes on you all my coworkers know already know I spend my weekends picking up cones and turning money into noise lmao
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>>28668535
Posting face and license plate is different to posting video of driving with license plate not visible or blurred...
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>bald
Errrm actually he's the hatcell
Currently driving in the TA2 series, but not enrolled to drive at the next event at Barber Motorsports Park. Maybe he's too busy shitposting
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>>28668506
i wouldn't call 4chan totally anonymous as people have been arrested for posts made here but as far as i can tell it's really only if you post very heinous illegal shit
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Frosty was the most hated guy on the board and only got doxxed because he bragged about working for his dads construction business
Then there was the crown vic autist but soviet doxxed him with google street view
And there a few other tripfags who got doxxdd because they shared facebook photos
No one cares about anons
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>>28668662
people care about annoying anons
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>>28668666
When they are annoying in every thread for months straight maybe. I used to troll dbt for a year straight with clips of crossing mustard and they still didn't doxx me.
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>>28668501
>it's all fun and games until some psycho fed or schizo with infinite time or datamining bot farm


this is what newfags actually believe
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>>28668675
We are hackers on steroids after all
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>>28668599
you fucking newfags don't understand what anonymous means. it doesn't mean you are hiding from "the feds" or other people, this is a clearnet website, your ip is tied to your post. that's not the fucking point at all.
it means when you're having an argument or debate about something the identity of the other person doesn't matter and all you can argue about are solid, truthful, provable facts. the dumb fucking gorillas who wanna be like "ooh ooh i got you i found you on facebook" are entirely missing the point and trying to introduce "names" and "identities" because they are midwits, wholly incapable of arguing facts and want to submit personal attacks instead, which is exactly what anonymous posting seeks to avoid.
so if one goes around trying to dox people in 4chan not only is he a gigantic dicklicking moron who couldn't argue his way out of a wet paper bag but that kind of person simply does not belong here. it garners no respect from anyone even if the person you doxxed was a gigantic asshole. same goes for anyone who thinks they are hiding from the federales, or that the feds give a single solitary pittance of a fuck how racist or hateful you are from behind the impotent trigger of a keyboard. anyone who thinks like this needs grow the fuck up.
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>>28668676
somewhere out there a van is exploding
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>>28666255
You sit around and stand all day for what, only 4 runs?
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>>28668707
>your ip is tied to your post
I've seen people complaining about the loss of the IP counter for ages, are our posts linked to our IP or not?
>>28668662
>the crown vic autist
I am the Crown Victoria autist now!
The only anon I can't think of who stands out to me as annoying would be the guy who was constantly ranting about "monster truck suspension" every time someone posted a picture of a car whose frame wasn't sitting on the ground, lol
And even then, he disappeared a while back, so...
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>>28668803
he got semi-doxxed, as does every cancerous shitposter who won't take a hint
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>>28668662
Never heard of Frosty, can I get a QRD or some archive links?
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Autocross is for transvestite men, simple as.
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>>28668814
Just search frosty in the archives and you'll find a detail green text
Short story is he was an obnoxious tripfag with a corvette who got busted with a trunk full of weed then trooned out in prison
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>>28668803
>are our posts linked to our IP or not?
Yes, the site has them for moderation and legal purposes. It's the external facing IP of your modem, not the subnetted IP that identifies your PC on your network. Or it's whatever IP your phone's carrier network gives you which may be dynamic.
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>>28668976
wait is he that guy who was totally gay and was trying to make everyone else gay or fuck young boys or something?
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>>28668986
Haven't heard of such a poster and been here since the '00s. Frosty was originally a fat neckbeard and afaik hasn't gone on a gay rampage here thankfully.
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>>28668987
Ok I'm getting mixed up, not even sure it was this board desu
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>>28668987
wait I'm getting more vague recollections of someone who used to either take pictures of their money, or drugs, or both - I really felt like they were known for being a twink chasing homo though....
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>>28668995
Tbh I don't pay that much attention to board drama despite being a tripfag myself. Frosty pre-arrest used to flash money, he claimed it was all from Bitcoin but we all found out when he got arrested with 3-4 lbs of weed in his vette. I think he was straight then, but I assume that of everyone.
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>>28669003
He was straight and had a hot gf. Trooning out was a cool mechanism after being raped daily in prison kek.
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I have tire noise that sounds like a wheel bearing is going out and it's driving me insane. I am never buying Falken tires again, I'm going back to my hangooks.
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>>28666666
STFU gigasatan
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>>28668890
exactly. The amount of cope with these pretender weirdos is hilarious. Just go to the track and stop being a pussy. Test your theory there.
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>>28669029
those falken tires!
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>>28668361
thats clearly not him but you can see what a 3rd gen camaro driven not balls slow looks like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq5hBoru6nQ
hes sawing the wheel way too much but you can actually see the car yaw out and countersteer
1:17 matches my time in a non aero k24 s2k
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>>28669843
ah the familiar sound of brakes being applied directly after the throttle snaps off
Not all Camaro drivers are clueless
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>>28669843
actual youtube and insta is "3rdgenguy"



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