Every reviewer jizzes about "It revs to 9000!". How is that a good thing? It's like saying "Wow my package took 9000 days to cum in the male!"I want low-end torque to break the tires loose at idle RPM. I don't want to wait for it to "rev up". I want that power NOW, so I can do a burnout NOW, right here in the middle of traffic.I want loud bassy rumble, like a guttural growl. Not no annoying high-pitched wail like a thousand toddlers screaming. Fuck V10s, Eye-talians, whatever other bullshit you car nerds fap to.Even modern muscle revs too high for me (new Mustangs redline 8000!) and not enough low-end torque. What the fuck do I do? DON'T YOU DARE say go electric
>>28671447>I want low-end torque to break the tires loose at idle RPM. I don't want to wait for it to "rev up". I want that power NOW, so I can do a burnout NOW, right here in the middle of traffic.sounds like a Tesla might be right up your alley
Sounds like what you need is Lancia Stratos
>>28671447>t. failed the marshmallow test
>>28671447I built a junkyard 460 for about $1500 all in. Lights the tires easy enough, cruises happily at 1200 RPM. My first full rebuild of an automotive engine and I'm not super confident in everything, also flat tappet because it was on such a tight budget, so I set the limiter at like 4k. More than enough, really. I get annoyed on the highway because my gearing is too tight and I wind up at like 2100 to do 70 in 5th.
>>28671447Turbodiseasel
>>28671478>low down torque>low fuel consumptionOnly real engine choice.
>>28671447Just get a long intake runner
>>28671447>not enough low-end torquebecause it has low displacement compared to camaro and challenger
>>28671447Take the EV pill, they're designed for faggots like you
>>28671449You talk like a fag and your shits all retarded
>>28671447Modern turbo cars make peak torque just off idle.
>>28671590>definition of OP: faggot
>>28671484>tfw daily has a b57 in itFeels good bros
>>28671613rent free
>>28671590he is right though. regardless of all the gayshit in em, if you want instant torque an electric motor is THE thing to go for. there's a reason why locomotives use em to haul mountains uphill
All the Fagtubers be making "drift Tesla" builds nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6ffJXgXPcYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKZYxn7uzIkThe correct answer is EV
>>28671642lul
>>28671447Your a fucking idiot who doesn't know shit.
I wish I had enough low end torque that the engine doesn't want to die pulling away from a stop at anything below 2000rpm
>>28671447Learn to drive retard
>>28671447I don't care about revs in a car either, I want it to be as comfy as a limo. So having too much low-end power is also redundant. I want power just for those rolling starts to fly out of blind spots or do instant overtakes without any interruptions of crooze vibe from possible gear changes.On a motorbike however I want the drama. When it just starts to touch the powerband at 8k and the intensity of sound and not just the pull itself doubles it's just such an amazing contrast to how the machine behaves normally while in slow traffic. It's telling you that you are fucking around, and you're about to find out. It always leaves you longing for the next chance of getting that rush.
>>28671447Corvettes, they are still made with God rods, infinite low end torque
>>28671447this is a pretty good post.
op they're called deisels and only retards and farmers like them
>>28674640>deisels>only retards and farmers like themanon I...
>>28671447Gay nigger mobile by government motors. I have torque at 1rpm in my tesla. Gassers literally have lmao notorque.
>>28671447You and your... kind might be the target demographic for those new electric Dodge Chargers.Instant gratification EV torque, and a Fartzonic exhaust for the rumbles. Just don't kill us when your doing takeovers Jamal
What is a gearing advantage.What is being able to accelerate longer in lower ratio gears.
>>28671447RPMlets coping and seethingI have a supercharger + cams optimized for high rpm so at the cost of some peak power from my cam overlap I just have the worlds broadest powerband. Already making 10psi from 2300rpm and revs 9300 (engine could do ~10.5k reasonably but i'm already slightly overspinning the blower)
>me in the v6 chally wally pulling stumps from 1000 and bouncing off the 6500 rpm limiter roughly 6 seconds later before pulling the next gear and spitting firecrackers out the exhaust like a gt3 at spa
>>28671447If you want fast go electric, if you want good sound go big V8, this shit isn't hard to figure out.
>>28675356and if you want a real car, you drive a pentastar
>>28671447It literally doesn't matter tho.Kinetic energy=1/2 x Mass x Velocity^2If you have a 1500kg car, and want to go 25m/s or 55mph1/2 x 1500 x 25^2 = 468,750j1 Watt is 1j/s and there's 746 watts to the horsepower468,750 / 746 is 628 Horsepower-seconds in a perfect, lossless/frictionless world. That means the car has to transmit 628 horsepower at the wheels to the ground for 1 second, or 62.8 horsepower at the wheels, at a minimum to reach 55mph/90kmh/25m/s. Torque in this matter, beyond the gear ratios, is irrelevant. You may have been taught that hp = torque x rpm / 5252, but I believe a better way to express this is;1hp=1ft-lb @ 5252 rpm. Whether you make 300 ft lbs at 2626 rpm, or 150 ft lbs at 5250, you're making equal amounts of power, and equal amounts of torque at the wheel, and thus equal acceleration, so long as the faster engine has shorter gearing to compensate. This is literally why everyone has gone to high revving smaller displacement engines, it doesn't matter how you make the power, so long as you make the power. Torque just doesn't really matter in a world of 10 speed gearboxes.
>>28671447Yep. Been through the young phase where it was all about RPM and rowing the box like a galley slave just to keep up with traffic, then the turbo phase which invariably lead to being boost greedy and the resultant downtime, before finally settling on big cubes and three speed autos as the pinnacle of automotive development.>>28671513>camaro and challengerThose still don't quite get it compared to a good running big block. Yes, they feel like they've got lots of displacement when compared to modern 3 cyl turbo hit but not when compared to properly large displacement engines.
>>28675595>If I rev my penalty box to the moon, it makes the same torque as a big-block at idle>Therefore it literally doesn’t matterYour math is correct, but I hope you realize that this isn’t exactly a compelling argument.
>>28671447>I want low-end torque to break the tires loose at idle RPM. I don't want to wait for it to "rev up". I want that power NOW, so I can do a burnout NOW, right here in the middle of traffic.I see you too are a diesel enjoyer.
>>28675621>Those still don't quite get it compared to a good running big blockjust upgrade the cam and youre making 500 lb ft easily
This is why a blower is the best option. >only compromise is the slight parasitic loss>instant throttle response>gain the torque benefits of forced induction without sacrificing a linear powerband
>>28676528>and youre making 500 lb ft easilyAt too high an rpm. If you're having to rev it past 1800 or so to move smartly then you don't have enough displacement for what OP and I are after.>>28677011>positive displacement blowerSure that'll work but have you SEEN the prices for blowers? Much cheaper to poke and stroke a big block. The blower becomes the next step once you've maxed out the cubes on your mountain motor.
>>28671447>Fuck V10sViper laughs at your pitiful torque figures.
>>28671447- Because hp = torque x rpm/5252. More rpm = more hp. - Whatever torque an engine is "missing" can be made up with by gearing. Like an na miata makes about 1350ft/lbs of wheel torque in first gear. You can't multiply missing hp.- Good engineering prioritizes rpm and saving weight over shoehorning a truck engine into a sportscar chassis. When you do that you need to beef up the tires, suspension, axles, transmission, longer gearing, etc etc. And then you just end up with a truck that looks like a sports car.
>>28677074>muh miataKill yourself faggot
>>28675595>>28677074>hurr low end torque doesn't matter if you just rev it to hp/tq crossover anywayAre you guys intentionally being obtuse? He's saying he doesn't want to have to wait until 5k+ to start making meaningful power. A 30 year old LT1 in a Camaro makes 325lb-ft @ 2400rpm and continues to make enough torque to produce 275hp at 5200rpm. I agree with OP it's a much more satisfying experience than a gutless Honda you have to rev to the moon to make less power and be slower.
>>28677783>agree with OP it's a much more satisfying experienceyour idea of satisfying is jamming it into 3rd and never shifting kek, Tesla model S drives itself and has 1000hp
>>28677783my 3.6 liter v6 makes "meaningful power" from 1600 rpm all the way to redline
>>28677798PentaKINO
>>28677792>I want low-end torque to break the tires loose at idle RPM. I don't want to wait for it to "rev up". I want that power NOW, so I can do a burnout NOW, right here in the middle of traffic.Where is "not shifting" mentioned? >>28677798>never makes torque that begins with a 3 at any point in the rev rangeNo, it doesn't. You can't even spin the tires without doing a brakestand.
>>28677798If I remember correctly from my dyno days the v6 chally makes about 100hp@3000 rpm at the flywheel. I'll be generous and say you have 50hp@1600. You call that significant?
>>28678227are you talking about the 3.5? the 3.6 makes over 200 lb ft under 2000 rpm, and maintains 270+ through its entire rev range.you know the car has an internal dyno and i can actually see what it's producing, right? don't bullshit me, faggot.>>28677842>You can't even spin the tires without doing a brakestand.only because of the zf8's torque mitigation which is on top of the traction control, you can't do it in a stock 5.7 either because lol open diff
>>28678239>200 lb ft under 2000 rpm200 lb ft at 2000rpm is like 75hp>car has an internal dynolol retard fell for marketing >only because of the zf8's torqueWeird, I have an ZF8 in my SUV and I can spin all 4 wheels from a dig when I get on it.
>>28678339>the actual torque and horsepower numbers that the transmission and traction control uses to operate, pulled directly from the ecu, that match diagnostic information pulled directly from the tcm with alfaobd are "marketing" but an external dyno that can be atmospherically skewed to read literally anything the operator wants is somehow heckin validdon't be a fucking retard, also your math is wrongmopars have an anti-retard system that delays throttle opening if you just jam the pedal like a monkey, so you have to either roll your foot into the pedal at bit before mashing it all the way or load the tc up a bit, but then it will light both wheels up no problem. i don't believe for a minute your faggy crossover suv can do the same. as usual chally haters are all liars, theives, and uneducated faggots who can't even use a fucking calculator
>>28671447You can have torque and a high redline. A high redline is indicative of a well balanced engine
>>28678369>mopars have an anti-retard systemAnd yet you somehow still got inside. Interesting.
>>28678537obviously because i am not a retard you fucking retard
>>28671724Ehh we all know the M3 and S Class teslas are the fastest thing on the road now. But cmonn jeez
>>28678542>t.guy who thinks his instrument cluster is accurate
>>28678828>implying it isn't
>>28674614That or Vipers. Stock cam makes a buttass load of torque down low.
>>2867822757hp if he's lucky. >>28678239Or is it because your car is a torque-let V6 auto? Torque management is usually to keep from damaging parts, I highly doubt 200lb-ft of torque is stressing anything unless your car is a huge POS. >>28678339X3M Anon?
>>28675353Looks like an integra gen 2 dash, gsr or type r?
