Except make noise and a shop will tell you you need struts.But they'll say these need to be replaced too since you can't get them off in one piece.
Remove them and drive without them. Prove your theory pussy.
>>28672075I had a 2002 car that came from the factory without a sway bar.I've driven cars missing one.You will never notice a difference.
>>28672083I sure would.Upgrading sways has been one of the most-noticeable mods I've done on cars, right up there with going catless and turning up the boost. I break traction and scandi flick into corners daily. It's a huge difference. Maybe you city folk wouldn't understand.
>>28672088>My edge case proves that sway bars are necessary.Really?Someone going from work to home won't notice a thing.In fact the only thing they'll really notice is the rattling noise they make,
>>28672094Sure, most won't notice. But they DO make a significant difference.
>>28672098In every day driving they don't.
>>28672102one of my sway bar mounts broke and the car would randomly swerve
>>28672103That's funny because they don't effect directional stability.
>>28672094>Someone going from work to home won't notice a thing.In fact the only thing they'll really notice is the rattling noise they makeAnd maybe a bit more body roll when they turn a corner faster than a dead stop crawl. If you’re use to drive top heavy suv/crossover’s it won’t feel noticeable because you’ll think it’s normal to be rolling more
alot of swaybar end-links are so fucking flimsy that they can't actually transfer the torsion of the sway bar while cornering, some actually just start bending.
>>28672069Dumb take.If your theory were true, cheap cars wouldn't have sway bars. Manufacturers would happily eliminate them to save cost.Every car has them because they're an essential suspension component.
>>28672069>>28672083>>28672094look up the "moose test" and now try to predict what would happen in an emergency situation with no sway bars in a car that was designed to have them. especially done by some hack who has no idea how it affects relative roll stiffness of the front vs rear or the suspension geometry of their car.
>>28672109clearly they do
>>28672069This is the second time you've posted this thread. fuck off idiot.
>>28672088That's because you switch lanes a lot like an insect brained shitskin lmao. one thing you will NEVER do and that's line up for a pull
>>28672280Not op but I looked at moose test and it seems like cars are failing and rolling over even with sway bars.
>>28672312>That's because you switch lanes a lot like an insect brained shitskin lmao.Wrong, I filter right and overtake when necessary.>one thing you will NEVER do and that's line up for a pullI went to the drag strip the week I turned 16 (20 years ago) and was even on a racing "team" in the '00s when I had an STi. I'll race you from a dig all day, bud, even if I know I'll lose - because it's fun.
>>28672398yes, there are limits to what two metal piipes can do to make up for double the weight, poor design, and jeet "engineers".
>>28672285clearly something else on your car was brokensway bar limits body roll by coupling one side of your suspension to the other and nothing else
>>28672069>>28672083>>28672088>>28672094https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uhxO4jvv2Y
>>28672083i stuck a fatter rear sway bar in my 96 camry, the rear was a lot more planted speeding around corners and through chicanes
I don't have sway bars and you can too
Links do matter. I put the beefiest fucking sway links I could on my front end and the car's character went from>rear is ALWAYS fucking planted no matter WHATto>oh you're trail braking at max tire grip? here's a little bit of rear swing to rotate betterremember:in extreme control situations, a tighter front allows a deeper tire bite which allows the grip balance to let the rears swing out. Normaly you would STRENGTHEN the rear susp to do this for all scenarios, but in the case of a FWD hard trail braking at the limit of grip you can brake HARD down into the front tire flexion and the rears will kick out.it has though made the car worse for every other normal driving situation. I really need to rip a 19mm rear bar from an R/T model and put it in when I also replace all the shock/strut with R/T model tubes and put in the adjusters to have actual camber.
>>28672083>t. 380 lb fatass
>>28672109>he doesn't know about camber and caster
If you want to setup for drifting on the cheap put the most-solid rear sway you can on with the stock front on a RWD car. Then inflate the rear tires reasonably more than the front.You'll kick the rear out under braking (! watch out) or the slightest throttle + weight shift in a RWD.It's the only mod you really need if you already have an LSD stock.
>>28673128nobody with actual intelliegence gives a fuck about drifting except for watching it. go be ausfalian somewhere else.
>>28673112>all of this for 7% better cornering>a $10k v6 camaro would outperform stocklol.dodge guys am I right
>>28672075not the best idea for tight turns man
>>28672644>stiffer rear bar>rear more plantedyou’re either horribly misusing terminology or LARPing, maybe both.stiffer bars reduce grip, the reason cars have such bigger front bars than rear bars from the factory is to insure it’ll tend to understeer rather than oversteer. A stiff rear bar on such a car will reduce the tendency to understeer.
>>28673232I wouldn't even be track faster than an e46 328i my dude. I dont care.
>>28672406>filter right and overtake when necessaryAka lane switching insect LMAO, howd I know? All it took was a swaybar comment didn't it, wrenchlet.
>>28673610That's just called following the law, dipshit.
>>28673547it was planted, as in it didn't roll as much. definitely increased oversteer.
>>28672111I drove around on a dead link up front in my cuv for 2 years. It drove fine, the roll was more noticeable but nothing that would make the car dangerous to drive. When I put new beefy links on it ,I could feel the car pulling with the road and I actually have less traction in turns. Going through turns at the same speed lets say 70mph without the sway bar hooked up would result in no tire squeel. with the sway bar the tires are reaching the limit at the same speed
>>28672117almost every modern car has plastic endlinks now...
>>28673712my 89 cressida's rear sway bar had plastic end links, was kinda surprised at that one
>>28673708Was it the fronts? Increasing front stiffness just induces more understeer. Most people focus on stiffening the rear unless it’s super unbalanced and too much oversteer. This was probably made worse with a fwd or fwd bias awd cuv
>>28673854>was it the frontsIgnore my retarded ass who missed you saying it was the front. Well yeah, increasing front stiffness is just not good for most cars since understeer is already baked into most passenger cars
>>28673856yeah, wasnt trying to make it stiffer but im sure going from plastic to thick metal rods did make a difference.like with most mods there is always a tradeoff. low speed hard turns have less roll but high speed turn grip was reduced
>>28672069>>28672083This is the most modern 4chan poster I've seen.Bullheadedly retarded.
>>2867374789 is surprising. maybe they aren't being cheap but its for designed flex .Ive never seen a plastic endlink snap on its own, usually the ball joint shits out if anything
>>28673708From the factory cars have overly stiff front bars so that the car tends to understeer rather than oversteer.I wish the aftermarket produced as many smaller front bars as they do beefier rear bars.
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>>28672069I know this is bait but it's hilarious to see history repeat itself.
>>28672069This is excellent bait, not a single part of it makes sense. Well done
>>28675001Take a fine grinding wheel to it and start removing material until you get the amount of flex you're after?
