>16% drivetrain losses with an automation>maybe 12% with a manualHow is this acceptable to regulators? We could literally reduce total emissions by 4% overnight if we just mandated manual transmission. They are also cheaper to build, simpler to repair, more robust, and warn the user of clutch wear & give you notice before failing, unlike automatics. How do we still allow inefficient, expensive, and complicated automatics to be a thing? You should have to have a disability card or special license to buy one.
>>28688247bruh new cars are literally temu LED spyware tide pods, let's solve that problem first
>>28688247That may be true but some women literally panic slam on the gas instead of just pressing the clutch and or brake pedal. Feminism has gone too far, we aren't getting retards off the road. It's a good thing that there's an option where they have one less thing to think about
>>28688251A manual transmission fixes basically all those major problems. They can no longer kill you via remote control.
I don't think that's even true anymore with CVTs and modern automatics having like 9 gears and shit.Also aside from hyundais and kias you can generally trust any modern tranny to take you to 100k miles which is infinitely more miles than any of the manufacturers give a shit about. They're hoping to see your ass back at the dealership the second you finished making payments.
>>28688247It's not 1980, faggot. The stats are pretty much equal these days. Modern autos are pretty much locked up 99% of the time plus they have more ratios to work with plus the 0ms shift times. That all equates them to being just as efficient as manuals. Also a manual is easier to kill than a modern automatic.
>>28688247think of the efficiency of returning to smaller and lighter vehicles as well. next, we remove wasteful screens and touch buttons that require complex technology that pollutes our precious waterways. the green efficiency is incalculable, but I estimate trillions of trees saved.
>>28688247Manual Chad's will always stay winning
>>28688247my daily and my truck both have 3 pedals, but my man, I'm not sure about the efficiency (in terms of fuel) argument holding weight in 2025.they're definitely simpler and cheaper to rebuild/fix.they're definitely MUCH MORE FUN TO DRIVE, holy fuck.they definitely enforce a level of situation awareness that makes for better driversbut cvt's with their infinite gear ratio, and automatics/dct's with nano second shift times are probably more efficient overall than a MT (again just in terms of MPG. reliability and service life are very different stories). However, using fuel economy as the overriding goal just leads to econobox hell. Cars should be fun to drive, that should be the primary goal, the moment that is no longer the case, the arguments for self driving EV appliances win out -- it's irrefutable. I like driving and I like the 2nd amendment. Mommy gov't being allowed to cunt out mandates focusing entirely on some vague notion of safety or efficiency is a one way ticket to a level of oppression never before seen; because under the guise of 'safety' you can justify almost ANYTHING, after all, the alternative is people dying.For exampleSome draconian safety regulation is legislated into effect; like i dunno, maybe a limiter to 75 MPH, it will never, ever be revoked>this saves lives, what are you, a murderer?safety mom tyranny is a one way ratchet.
>>28688422>Manual Chad is will stay winningWin an English class, fagola.
>>28688311if you have assisted steeringthey can
>>28688340>Also a manual is easier to kill than a modern automatic.Wat? I call bullshit. My standard transmission vehicles will still be on the road way after 99% of the automatic transmission vehicles on the road today are crushed. Autotragics are constantly fucking up. If you're talking about planetary gearsets being stronger than the gears in a standard, then yes that is correct, but it takes some special retardedness to actually break gears. Automatics also have frictions and clutches and a ton of sealing elements and electronic shift solenoids that will shit the bed long before any gears grenade on a standard.
>>28688501Modern automatics are retard proofed. They won't let you money shift or neutral drop. If they get too hot they'll throw the engine into limp mode until the temps drop. Go rent a car and try it for yourself. Lets not ignore the magnitude of "glass" manual trannies out there.
>>28688247Modern autos have more ratios, allowing your engine to stay more around peak thermal efficiency.
>>28688340>0ms shift timesHow do you exist?
>>28688247This hasn't been true for years. Today, auto versions get better gas mileage than manuals because they optimize shift points, lock up often and early, and have more gear ratios. Manual is slower and less efficient, it only exists for fun now.
>>28688247That's only 4%. Where are you getting 30% from?
>>28688740Your average/o/ user rides the bus or drives a 30 year old econobox. None of what you said applies.
>>28688740This, I can’t believe how nice the bigger 10 speeds are. The zf8 is also probably one of the best transmissions ever made.
>>28688697Modern autos are programmed to lug the engine.
>>28688461>Some draconian safety regulation is legislated into effect; like i dunno, maybe a limiter to 75 MPH, it will never, ever be revokedAlready exists in Australia (actually it's 70 MPH, 68 to be precise) and they will never revoke it, in fact it's 100 KPH on a lot of main highways and they want to get it lower. It's 60 KPH (37 MPH) on most of the roads in the overpopulated city I'm in at the moment and the roads could easily support 50 MPH. But the govt would rather heavily congested main and arterial roads from sunrise to sundown.
>>28688247>Manual transmissions are ~30% more efficient than AutomaticsNot any more
>>28688247Then drive manual why do you have to preach it. I'll personally never go back to manual but if it works for you enjoy.
>>28688247It was never about emissions OR fuel economy, goyim.
Manual transmissions would be a good way of getting people to focus while driving and not be always texting as well. Women would never allow it though.
>>28688340>0ms shift timesI shift faster with my manual still
>>28688247This is all true of dual-clutch automaticd too. They are basically manuals with automatic clutch and shifter. Only limiting factor is they are designed to step through the gears not skip them.It is hydrolic torque converters that waste power in transmission loses. They are getting less and less common though.
>>28688247The problem is that while manuals or manual-derived stuff like DCTs are more mechanically efficient, that difference is rather small overall these days. Yes, fricition is quite a few percent lower but it's quite a few percent of just a few percent and that aint much. Automatics come with more gears though, which really helps with setting up a really tall topgear yet keeping the rpm near-perfect the whole time. Having it shift automatically also takes out the biggest fuel-waster, which is the half the drivers being fucking idiots.Automatics also help a lot with RDE-emissions because you can program them not to do certain things that will cause an emission-spike (overriding the transmissions decicion would void the test). That's why they've killed off manuals in the EU lately. Can't stop someone from coasting in gear and cooling the cat below light-off as easily in a manual.
>>28688501The ND Miata went through like 3 transmission revisions because they were so weak and owners kept breaking them.
>>28688340>a manual is easier to kill than a modern automatic.Autotragics never last as long as manuals and the new ones are all CVTs ot two manuals in a case operated by solenoids. A simple manual gearbox will go 300k+ miles easily while autos regularly fail before 200k
>>28688519Tell that to my truck that is now at only 150k miles losing overdrive.
>>28688340>Also a manual is easier to kill than a modern automatic.The 6 speed manual in my bmw has over 400k miles on it, still shifts like new.
>>28688247Manuals are more efficient in a long haul. For start-stop urban traffic, auto is more efficient, as both torque converter and electronically controlled clutch get around manual's weakest mode- clutching from standstill to 5 km/h.
>>28688501Even the post 2010 fancy automatics has to deal with consistently gearing badly. But its always a bit more complexIf you buy a 2014 car, it might come with what was a new model automatic gearbox back in early 2000s. Or might come with a fancy electronic shifter that has just been on the market a few months back in 2014. The point is that such a car isn't hard to get, while a mint off the factory floor is horribly expensive.
>>28689264Stop driving Fords.>>28689275I've driven unopened auto tranny work vans with that kind of mileage that still shifted nice too. You think your tranny would hold up to a 250lb gorilla beating on it?
>>28689281In what situation would a 6-speed manual be more efficient than my 8-speed DCT?
>>28689382the guy is right. a manual can very marginally be more efficient than a dct on long trips becuase of less mass and complexity that needs to be carried around but it makes up for it in stop and go traffic.
>>28689260this simply is not true. both transmissions are junk
>>28689247They're honestly retarded for even trying to sell a manual in 2025. fatherless homes at an all time high and anyone buying a manual trans is going to be using it as a learner tool, who the fuck would want to warranty that shit lmao.
>>28689247I think it's that most drivers are retarded. Can't be trusted to pull the lever themselves
>>28688247Less chance of car theft as well.
>>28689618This, I remember in 2015 they had durability test done by professional racers. So the v1 transmission withstood racing abuse but driving on public streets somehow grenades it
>>28689652>>28689618sounds like you just need a buyer to be retarded to break a manual, that's a pretty low bar
>>28689652Its similar with the "people" who buy Mustangs. They hate every transmission other than the factory Tremec 6060, that's the only one they haven't been able to break with the stock engine and tires.
