>Porsche and Mercedes-Benz have started to backtrack on their electrification plans, even though a few years ago it seemed like an unstoppable race toward electric cars. >The reality is that costs are very high, profitability is low, and the market is not taking off.Does this mean the backward minded ICE chuds won at the end of the day?
As long as Tesla still exist, no. Just means all these brands failed at EV. China isn’t back pedaling on EVs and will eventually just steamroll European automakers out of business.
>>28691959>porsche>wonlol
>>28691979>>28691969>>28691972>mfw when over 100 million vehicles are sold world wide each year The coping holy shit
>>28691959It's no surprise really, they denounced Christ and now they're getting punished.
>>28691981Wait....you're saying EVs making up 25% of the entire fucking market? And almost all of that was gained in the last 5 years? FUUUUUUUUUCK
>>28691959obviously the ev stuff was just a fad, you'd have to be pretty vaccinated to think otherwise.
While their attempted transition to EV models will shoulder a lot of the blame, going unsaid is that they have fewer potential customers because of how impoverished Western countries are becoming. There are only so many cars your local wealthy guy is going to buy and only so often. Then you have people increasingly not owning a car within urban environments.
>>28691972>look guys gommunism!!! XDYWNBAW EV tranny
>>28691959>Be brand renowned for making good driver's and track cars>Focus on a type of car that can never be fun and is banned from many tracks>Lose moneyWow who could have possibly guessed
>>28692236>tesla is communistholy shit
>>28692297>ChinaRetard
>>28692244Porsche boomers aren’t tracking their cars because they’re too expensive, and the few that do just end up crashing them. They’re losing money because their main demographic is getting older.
>>28692303Which suddenly coincides with this big corporate push to go all electric because of the EU bearing down on them.Holy shit you niggers are so fucking stupid
>>28692304Maybe make non-shit cars and people would want to buy them. It worked for Tesla, and even GM.
>>28692313You're a broke, seething little faggot that needs to get xir's income up.
>>28692300Half of Tesla sales are in China
>>28691978>EVs made Porsche an unprofitable brand that couldn't sell its cars at previously accepted prices
>>28692338China is pushing EVs, it's not a free market, retard.
>>28692344>china is the only country subsidizing autoslol
>>28692380No other country is pushing EVs as much as China. Cope more EV shill.
>>28691959electrical grid can't handle all cars going electric, especially since libcucks refuse to bring nuclear plants online, refuse to use coal and are actively trying to shut down traditional power plants in favor of unreliable 'green' energy.You can't demand everyone's electricity supply go to shit and become unreliable while at the same time calling people who stick with ice vehicles a chud, it just makes you look like a tard on a sugar bender.
>>28692396>electrical grid can't handle all cars going electricYes it can in China>bring nuclear plants onlineChina does>use coalChina does
>>28692419Begone Chang
>>28692419Bro what, most of the electrical grid supply comes from fossil fuels what the hell are you talking about. 62% of the worlds electricity comes from fossils… Hell, even more than half of that 62% comes from coal lmao. China is not that far either with 62% of its electricity coming from fossil fuels too. Why shill so hard before educating yourself first
>>28692588>59% of the worlds electricity supply comes from fossil fuels Close enough
>>28692419Yes China numba wan, off with you now
Audi too. Alpine too. ICE 4 LYFE
>>28691972>>28691989So it's basically just chinks buying chinkshit EVs?Wow. Truly groundbreaking.
>>28691972>This figure includes both battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and hybrid electric vehicles.
chinkslop ev shilling /n/iggers tongue my anus>t. Winnie the PoohRemember Tiananmen Square June 4 1989
>>28692734Yes, the largest and thus most important car market in the world is going fully into EVs.
>>28692813Hybrids have been selling way more than that in the late 2010s so they're definitely not included.
>>28691969Who's buying Tesla? Until they switch to a different battery technology, I think it's cooked.
>>28692822
>>28691985Why are polcels so fragile?
>>28692991
Amerifats really love being dependant on their petrol industry pimps. The Chinese have realized the future is electricity.
>>28693006Go eat dog chinksect
>>28693024Why are you so defensive, petrolcuck? You fund arabs pooping on women.
>>28693029You have no power here chinksect shill.
>>28693029Is that why China still buy tons of oil from Iran and the Saudis? Are your tanks, jets, and boats going electric too??
>>28691959By sheer coincidence, Porkey and Muh Cedes have some of the shittier and overly-expensive electric cars. LOLantis being a continuous total clusterfuck is completely coincidental, they *definitely* didn't just latch on like a remora.
>>28693057China knows petrol is a cucked industry where nations become too dependant on corrupt arab shitholes. Now Trump's ass is bought by the arabs so he's trying to kill EVs but the truth remains that you can't be a sovereign nation so long as you're a slave to imports of the black goo. A nation that has a good and diverse electricity generation is so more robust than one dependant on petrol imports.
>>28693070That's true. The Porsche Taycan is an overpriced mess considering what a Tesla Model 3 Performance gets you. Mercedes got humiliated by BMW's Neue Klasse. And nobody buys Shitlantis EVs. They're completely irrelevant in the field.
>>28693077TDS chinksect. EV shit makes everyone dependant on rare earth which, surprise surprise, China has the biggest share of. Not buying EV shit.
>>28693085You're brain damaged by arab pooper propaganda, cuck. New battery chemistries don't even require rare earth minerals. Which by the way even your phone requires but I don't see you throwing away your phones. If the west isn't prepared once solid state is viable for mass market production, then it will be the worst of both scenarios - an ICE industry dependant on arab poopers and an EV industry dependant on chinks.
So when you get BTFO by this>>28693086You start posting gore like this>>28693095Very pathetic.
>>28693098Sure you're not :)
Just 2 years ago I didn't even know some of these Chink car brands, now I see them all over the round and they're taking over all the legacy brands buildings/lots too.
>>28693111I just wrote being dependant on China is a bad thing but the way western manufacturers are neglecting BEV and how fast battery technology is improving, it may become inevitable. Western countries should not be dependant on either arab pooper oil or chink batteries. Western countries should invest in domestic battery production as its inevitable for EVs to dominate the industry in the next decade.
>>28693081>The Porsche Taycan is an overpriced mess considering what a Tesla Model 3 Performance gets you. It's not just that. Porkey also suffers from cannibalization from the rest of VW Group's cars, because they're all on the same platforms. >Mercedes got humiliated by BMW's Neue Klasse. Pretty much all of their electric models bombed. >And nobody buys Shitlantis EVs. True. In August, Citroen, Peugeon, Opel and Fiat combined barely managed to outpace Skoda. Fiat barely sold more than Dacia, which only has that cheapshit chinesium model on offer.
>>28691959>companies that have failed to produce good ev cars or any notable value are backing out of evBreaking news!
>>28693195The taycan is a pretty great ev, and it's priced similarly to other Porsche models relative to its segment. It even splits development costs with Audi. But they're still losing money because of EVs
>>28693077Crazy how China is thousands of years old and people think the USA with it's 400 year history will be relevant in 1000 years and China won't.
>>28693222Why would people buy a Taycan instead of an e-Tron GT? After all, like you said, they're the same car underneath.
>>28693222I agree that the Taycan is a great EV IF you ignore other choices that give you similar performance and luxury for 10s of thousands less. The competition is simply too strong and Porsche really doesn't resonate with the EV crowd the same way it does with ICE boomers who grew up idolizing the 911. The brand can't carry them the same way so they have to rely on the same hard metrics like the competition which puts them at a dollar value disadvantage. This is why EV is so dreadful for the classic power brands.
>>28693333Basically the interior and the badge. If you like the Porsche interior, and you're spending 100k on an EV sedan, it's going to be those two, some kind of model s, or a lucid. If you prefer more traditional interior layouts then Porsche is probably the best option, even if it's not a value option.
>>28693342Problem is, people who buy electric cars don't really care about the interior as long as it's a) functional; b) not gaudy (*coughMERCEDEScough*). >>28693336This anon knows.
>>28692822>chinks>importantAHAHAHAHA
>>28693366Ah, so Norway with it's 97% EV adoption is the most important since it's the most white.
>>28693366This post made on a smartphone made in China.
>>28693355Electric car buyers love gaudy, that’s why they buy Tesla>muh heckin’ doggo mode!>*pushes up glasses, speaking nasally* you see my car’s screen supports Doom natively.
>>28693449>>28693457Kek, fucking chink cope.
>>28693086>TWO MORE WEEKSYWNBAW EV shill. I will support Arabs aka the enemies of Israel.
>>28693502>only response is saying "cope"The real cope.
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>>28693532Enjoy your explosive chink shit faggot
>>28693488There's a difference between gimmicky and gaudy. Shitsla is gimmicky, Muh Cedes is gaudy.
>>28693536
>>28693540Not a single new petrol car spontaneously combusts while charging. Cope EV tranny
>>28693542
>>28693553Fuck off chink tranny
>>28693532>our uneducated, poorly-paid workers churn out small electronic components in sweatshop factories - that notoriously have anti-suicide measures - for American companiesImagine thinking this is something to be proud of.
>>28693553And how many of those were the result of neglected maintenance or people being retarded, rather than just catching fire out of nowhere like >>28693556 and many other EV cases?
>>28693556>>28693561>EVs only make up 1% of the market and are doomed to fail>EVs only make up 5% of the market and are doomed to fail>EVs only make up 10% of the market and are doomed to fail>EVs only make up 20% of the market and are doomed to fail----------------- YOU ARE HERE ------------------------->EVs only make up 25% of the market and are doomed to fail>EVs only make up 50% of the market and are doomed to fail>EVs only make up 90% of the market and are doomed to fail>EVs only make up 99% of the market and are doomed to fail>EVs only make up 99.9% of the market and are doomed to fail
>>28693565actually it's at less than 1% and falling
>>28693565The only significant increase is, again, in fucking bugland. Keep coping chink and/or tranny.
>>28693568Ah, I see you're ESL. See, a "market" is a place where goods are sold. It's not a place where goods are used. So when talking about "the market" in modern terms, we're talking about things being sold. Like "the used car market" doesn't refer to every car on the road, but just the cars being sold second hand.In this case, since 22~ million out of the 100 million new cars sold per year are EV, they make up over 20% of the market.
>>28693565Communism doesn't work Still not buying EV slopYWNBAW
>>2869356995%+ in the whitest country on earth50% in the largest car market in the world
>Please install latest software before driving the vehicle.>It seems your software is outdated; the vehicle will now be remotely locked. Please, visit the closest dealership to your location.
>>28693591This is why Teslas are the best. OTA updates. Meanwhile other brands you're a dealer slave
>>28693584>Norway Financed by oil, speed limit is 80, see picrel. The EV experiment failed.
>>28693581lol your numbers are way off dude, and falling.
EV's at there current point (with tesla as the only real exception) only exist due to government handouts. They won't start being a serious option until solid state stops being a meme
>>28693601>well actually...>>28693607Total car sales worldwide at 76 million. EV sales are over 20 million.
>>28693613lol no one cares about china, dude.
>>28693613>no rebuttalYou got BTFO EV tranny faggot
>>28693609>only exist due to government handoutsYou say this like it's a bad thing? Couldn't you make the same argument for light truck production in the US with the so-called "chicken tax"? Or the tremendously reduced corporate tax rates the oil companies compared to other industries?Every economy is a planned economy. It's just dumb right wingers who pretend that's not true because they aren't smart enough to realize they are running cover for the right wingers who are actually intelligent.
>>28693622Yes you can, and just like the light truck under the chicken tax, the current US truck and SUV market only exists because the chicken tax exists. Every other vehicle however is forced to compete, which is why you see the Japanese brands dominate in the light vehicle market. You need to stop being Chinese for once in your life
>>28693584>chinks buying chinkshitGee, really anon?!The chinks can't even keep their buildings from falling down and their roads and bridges from crumbling.
>>28693615>>28693632No one cares about what tiny car market you think matters.
>>28693666The US is where people buy expensive high profit margin cars which is why everyone wants to sell in the US.
>>28693666No one cares about what bugs think matters.
>>28693666>keeps bringing up norway car market ev sales>but the us market is "tiny" and doesn't matterLOL
>>28693666hold on a second, i'm still laughingLOL
>>28693666Bmw maintains manual m cars specifically because the American market wants them, Satan
Yellow niggas trippin ITT
Dealerships fucked over EVs. No one going to buy a $20k over msrp vehicle when you can get direct from tesla and not get fucked. EV cars last longer than ICE.
Why does the idea of EV offend American blacks so much?
>>28693704>>28693707>t. Yellow niggas >inb4 stop squinting your damn eyes Seriously just open them bitches
>>28693688>China is bigger>"that doesn't matter because they're not white!">Norway is whiter>"that doesn't matter because they're not bigger"Keep on double thinking your way out of this. I'm sure distorting reality will eventually make all the EVs disappear.
>>28693711It's ok to be black. Just don't be the whiny kind. Nobody likes when you folks do that. By the way a lot of people buy EVs just to avoid blacks at the gas stations.
>>28693713It’s not ok to eat bugs tho bro
>>28693721Don't spend all your welfare checks on 22'' wheels, ok?
>>28693712dude LOL
>>28693622>>28693628Japs dodge the chicken tax, so did ford.
>>28693724Does kung fu pops know he’s yellow nigga bug eating son gay?
>>28693735You're going all out with the racist rant here but know that a Chinaman will always be more respected in a room over a blackie. You will always be considered the lowest of beings present. That's the sad truth, regardless if you would drive an EV or ICE.
>>28693736So dad doesn’t know you take it up the ass huh
>>28693746Welfare monkey can't afford electric, lashes out against Chinese people...sad
>>28693712>>China is bigger>>"that doesn't matter because they're not white!"China doesn't matter because it's a communist shithole, you dumb faggot.
>>28693765A communist shithole has a bigger car market than the rest of the world? I guess communism works!
when 4chan users get proof that this place is ragebaiting using engagement farming bots to up their traffic this place is going to be finished.
>>28693773>2 billion people, by far the greatest total population of any country on this planet>largest single-country car marketYou're a fucking retard.
>>28693758You bugs eat literal sewage. Even niggers are above you.
Porsche treating their customers like nigger cattle is a good reason why profits aren't remaining strong. Plenty of people expect to be able to walk into a dealership and order a car. If you aren't buying bottom trim shit, they tell you to pound sand. Well deserved that they're suffering under the weight of their own corporate ego.
>>28693758>lashes out against Chinese peopleYou mean them bug eating humanoids?
>>28693796A communist shithole is able to support and feed billions? With a much higher percentage of them owning their own home than the USA? I guess communism works.
Only retards think China is communist. It's authoritarian dictatorship but doesn't meet the criterias for communism.
>>28691972What a waste of batteries.
>>28693878Retards think CALIFORNIA is communist.
>>28693865Holy shit, we're reaching critical cope mass
>>28694041Do you own your own home?
>>28694207>much higher percentage of them owning their own home than the USA>source: my sigmoid colon>acting like anyone owns their property in CCPistanCope and deflect more, chinkydink.Bugland is a shithole, no matter how you cut it.
>>28693449using words like 'adoption' is snakelike disingenuity since obviously the intention is to make it sound like a passive outcome of voluntary consumer choice when it was anything but
>>28694250>all it takes is a few bucks to convince someone to switch to EVDoesn't sound forced to me.
>>28694250>is to make it sound like a passive outcome of voluntary consumer choiceIt is indeed a voluntary choice. Learn your own vocabulary. The people of Norway through its political parties wanted their EVs cheaper than ICE.
>>28693773>>28693865Go eat your gutter oil and necro meat chinksect
Holy fuck this thread is just indian shills arguing with indian shills.
>>28691959EVtard companies get what the fucking deserve
>>28692822>China can't build a combustion engine>can make a lithium battery>EVs become a thing>"hey, they juss put lithium battery in car.">build a million shitty EVs>sell about 10%>inflate number of sales so dummies like >>28691972 will post online about it>trick US government into fearing the East>continue to practice corrupt business practices, destroy natural resources and keep people as slavesPottery.
>>28692303The recent headlines said Porsche profits were down 90%Big if true
>>28694281the force was basically making it illegal to buy and operate a normal car, 'a few bucks' more typical snaketongue disingenuity, just lying liars who compulsively lie about everything all the time, even when it hurts them>>28694330>through their political partiesliterally all democratic politics are fake, consensus is manufactured, and the theater exists because it is a responsibility laundering scheme for the incumbent ruling class"we arent making the decisions, 'the people' are, we dont have power, 'the people' do... so you cant hold us responsible."
>>28692396>coalEnjoy breathing and driving in Silent Hill fog>nuclearChernobyl
>>28694816retard
