Porsche and Audi bros…
>>28693686I don't know who wrote this picture, but they are stupid. The problem is thag the Germans thought the Chinese would always be reliable buyers instead of them just stealing their designs and tech (along with South Korea). Now they are fucked because German luxury is easy copied by the Chinese to the point where fucking Buick is seen as more luxury to the Chinese
Nobody outside America buys American cars yet Ford and GM are not bleeding money. Vag sells in all markets, including the more free American market, on top of having government stake in the company. And they’re dying.How is the titan of Europe getting btfo this hard.
>>28693695Also just in general, VW was the first to run into the EV issue of people not wanting just a worse tesla with a name brand. The VW Buzz is the second icon of the failed EV push (the icon being the dodge charger Daytona) as they just shat something out and charged a premium thinking sales would follow.
>>28693706They also fucked up hard trying to reinvent their cars's UX with that touch-driven software platform nobody wanted, except maybe retarded suits. Even their bosses and designers have admitted they went too far---people wanted a practical, modern car, and what they got was some sort of glossy plastic space ship on four wheels where you have to hold your hand steady with the other hand so you can adjust the volume without accidentally setting it and the AC temp to 0% or 100% because your finger slipped on the (non-backlit) touch slider area.There were tons of bugs at first, too, among them actual "car unusable because dashboard is bricked" bugs.Some of their EVs are selling ok-ish now in some countries where they don't trust the Chinese and don't want Teslas for various reasons, but I don't think their margins are very high, not with their crazy expenses.
>>28693686China won. Better cars for a fraction of the price.The market has spoken.
>>28693740Unless it is tesla, companies lose money on every EV sold, even the Chinese which are heavily subsidized are losing money on every EV
>twitter screenshot thread where the poster's username is cropped out>mobile filename>chinese shillingyup its thread hiding time. enjoy hell
>>28693756>Unless it is teslaTrust me, they're all losing money
>>28693695They knew they would get only 10 years of growth from China. They didn’t really plan so well for it ending, nor China going all in on vehicles. >>28693705They spent billions on EVs and can’t make a good one that isn’t a decade behind Tesla and the Taycan is a disaster sales and warranty wise.
why wumaos are so shit at shillingyou're literally being paid for it
>>28693686>scam their consumers for emissions for years>somehow still in businessIt's honestly shocking
>>28693890scamming goyim is based THOUGH
>>28693705Ford is a top three marque in Europe, and South America buys millions of GM cars.
>>28693953>>28693890they only scammed governments demanding unreasonable emissions levels. customers got quality cars. reminder most other car companies got busted cheating the diesel emissions too, they just didn't get the press coverage. there's a reason why the EU abandoned the diesel shilling they had been pushing since the 90s and switched to EVs.
>>28694473>demanding unreasonable emissions levels. customers got quality cars.Quality cars that worsened air quality for everyone around and caused cancer? Yeah what a great pitch you got there buddy lmao. How much is the German government paying you?https://news.mit.edu/2017/volkswagen-emissions-premature-deaths-europe-0303https://www.eeworldonline.com/study-vw-emissions-scandal-will-contribute-to-60-u-s-deaths/https://time.com/4091437/premature-deaths-vw/https://respiratory-therapy.com/disorders-diseases/critical-care/ards/volkswagens-diesel-emissions-scandal-linked-premature-deaths/https://lae.mit.edu/2024/06/28/study-quantifies-us-health-impacts-of-volkswagen-emissions-defeat-devices/https://ldi.upenn.edu/our-work/research-updates/volkswagen-emissions-scandal-affected-infant-and-child-health/Quality Cars totally!!
>>28693686Audibro here, they get what they deserve
>>28693754>Better carsAt this point, largely same cars.>for a fraction of the priceYou mean subsidized directly by the CCP.
>>28694649Oh boy, you're gonna flip when you learn about global shipping.
>>28694791ICE cars somehow are imported through air?
save the 5 cylinder!!!!!
>>28693740>Some of their EVs are selling ok-ish now in some countries where they don't trust the Chinese and don't want Teslas for various reasons I'm pretty certain a shitton of sales are fleets of various official vehicles. VW has always relied on those to prop itself up.
>>28694791Oh boy, you're going to be amazed when air quality is mostly localized to regions and not globally impacted! Not that you care since you're clearly a disingenuous poster trying to downplay actual harm from VW to pretend it's a good guy. You really are a paid shill I guess!
>oh no nobody wants to buy our 100k shovelware ev slop
>>28694649>safe, reliable, technologically advanced, interesting, innovativeyes, early 00s VAG were quality cars>b-b-but muh EMISSIONS!!!!!even with the cheating they still put out less emissions than a car built to Euro 3 standards. Would you say Europe in 1998 was a polluted hellhole?
raped by bmw
>>28693754Kek, the chink is shilling in this thread too.
>>28694880>>28694649Go have your melty about muh heckin climate changerino on Reddit, fagola.
>>28694785>You mean subsidized directly by the CCP.Why should I care about that?
>>28694935Seethe and dilate. Germany LOST.
>>28695186YWNBAW EV trannoid
>>28695122Taiwan is better than you chinksect
>>28695211Because I don't care a company gets subsidies from their government I am automatically chinese? What? Am I from the US when I buy a Ford and japanese when I buy a Toyota?
>>28694880So you virtue signalling faggots couldn't care less about pollution or "climate change" so long as another country suffers from it? Leftoids are the worse human beings on the planets.
>>28693686Shouldn't have sucked all that Jewish cum and pushed every single ESG initiative availableAlso should have told the German government to have some balls and keep the nukes running... They literally decommissioned functioning mid life cycle nukes for the green agendaI also understand that they have union problems, vw workers are like their own upper middle class. Why do auto makers always have their workers unionise and start taking the piss with benefits so far beyond the rest of the employment market?
>>28695819What happened on Tiananmen square 3-4 June 1989?
>>28695843>vw workers are like their own upper middle classAt some point, they had better pay and benefits than medical doctors in many nearby countries.VW somehow managed to avoid shutting down every production line in Germany after painful negotiations with the unions, but I'm still not sure if the company could be viable without all those German federal subsidies and tax incentives.I'm not sure what they were thinking, trying to become some kind of premium German Engineered(tm) brand of boring commuter cars, asking for premium prices while barely keeping up with random chinashit and Stellantis slop in terms of engineering or design.
>>28695847chuds FAFOd
>>28695873>can't respond Eat dog chinksect
>>28695843That was extremely stupid. Well managed nuclear energy is clean and cheap.
>>28695920ChernobylFukushimaThree Mile Island
>>28695972None of those were well designed and 2 of the 3 were not well managed.
>>28693706VW sells more EVs in Europe than Tesla currently. That really isn't their problem here.
>>28694973> Would you say Europe in 1998 was a polluted hellhole?Dangereously polluted, yes.
>>28695975ah, yes6 months of non-stop msm hate campaigns against tesla and muskand vw, the world's 2nd biggest auto mfg, has managed to inch ahead of tesla (startup, only really mainstream for 10 years) by 20% or sofor half a yearduring which, the model y, tesla's best selling car, was awaiting refresh and nobody was buying itim sure everything is fine, VW is totally not in its death spiral
>>28695993>this car manufacturer that sells 10 million cars a year is in its death spiral>not the car manufacturer that was just cut off from subsidies in its home country
>>28695978Wasn't that mostly because of burning coal for power in central and eastern Europe? The Germans were pretty fucking naive switching to Russian gas the way they did, but at least they're not fucking up the air with that much coal soot any more.Hell, given the amount of coal you have to burn to get any usable power, and the stuff being rather good at absorbing all kinds of shit like radioactive heavy metals, coal power may have released more of them into the atmosphere than nuclear plants ever did (including the ones that blew up).
>>28695847Seems like you are the chinese dog if you have to ask that question.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre
>>28695843>Also should have told the German government to have some balls and keep the nukes running... They literally decommissioned functioning mid life cycle nukes for the green agendaImagine actually believing this. The German government has zero independence. it is an American-occupied satrapy ruled directly from Washington on any serious issue.The shift away from nuclear had nothing to do with the "green agenda" no matter what was said in public. It had everything to do with making Germany more dependent on energy imports, specifically American natural gas.
>>28696022The original decision to decomission them came from Gazprom Gerry, and it was eventually enacted by Stasi Angie. Both of them on the FSB payroll in one form or another.
>>28695978im sure there is no connection to heavy industry and energyproduction whatsoever
