Why are sedans even a thing when wagons can do everything sedans can, plus:>they have significantly more cargo space>they look much coolerI just dont get why sedans are normal why wagons are an exotic rarity. If you want sportiness you get a coupe, if you want utility you get a wagon. Sedans are just a pointless inbetween. Having owned a wagon Im never buying a sedans ever, I just dont see the point.
>what if we took a sedan and made it 20% heavier, ugly as shit, and designed it to appeal solely to grandmothers yeah OP real shocker these aren't flying off the lot
>>28695095>20% heavierYeah desu my d-pillar is definitely reinforced concrete.
>>28695095wagons usually weigh more or less the same as sedans, and its not like even a 20% increase is significant in real world conditions>ugly as shityou have no taste. wagons have that presence, stateliness, sedans look too basic. even cars that look kinda crappy in a sedan form usually look okay as wagons (mitsu lancers, most 3 series bmws and kiyundais come to mind). whoever promotes the idea that wagons are "old fart cars" is a moron honestly
>>28695111Sorry bud but obviously the car-buying public agrees, wagons look like shit They trade looks for storage space and having a spacious trunk is one of the last things on young people's minds when buying a car
>>28695125Yet most stereotypical old mans cars only come as sedans. Curious!
>>28695111>>28695100I weighed my E34 540i touring and it weighed just over 200lbs more than the closest spec sedan weight I could find on the forums. It was years ago but that was the result. >2 extra windows>hatch with wiper and washer reservoir>2ft ish of extra roofline>double sunroof instead of the smaller one in the sedanI think most of the extra weight is the glass and the sunroof. Unfortunately the higher models were never available without that shitty sunroof, mine did not work and leaked.
>>28695111i have a spec sheet for the exact same car, same year, same powertrainUnladen, DIN for the wagon is 175 lb heavier and the wagon Cd is significantly worse at 0.31 vs 0.26 for the sedan
>Why are sedans even a thing when CUVs can do everything sedans can, plus:>>they have significantly more cargo space>>they look much cooler>I just dont get why sedans are normal why CUVs are an exotic rarity. If you want sportiness you get a coupe, if you want utility you get a CUV. Sedans are just a pointless inbetween. Having owned a CUV Im never buying a sedans ever, I just dont see the point.>>28695111>CUVs have that presence, stateliness
nnnooo you can't do both thats not alloooooooowed
>>28695189cuckovers have a shitload of drawbacks. their center of gravity is extremely high making them handle like shit and prone to rollover, they have worse visibility and the extra sheetmetal makes them heavier then regular cars. they also objectively look like shit because they are esentially regular cars trying to look like offroaders and failing miserably-essentially trannies of the car world
why do you care that the center of gravity is higher but not when it's farther back? especially since modern estates are all FWD.
>>28695290>prone to rolloverTo an utterly negligible degree, and they're still safer overall than small cars Chuds just seethe about crossovers because they're nice cars for people with families and jobs, not decades-old shitboxes for the unemployed
reject SUVsretvrn to wagons
>>28695081>If you want sportiness you get a coupe>if you want utility you get a wagonOr, you can combine those in to one model and reduce your RnD costs.Jokes aside you're literally describing small crossovers. Just look at the Subaru Crosstrek and tell me that isn't a station wagon.
>>28695081I've got a hot take for you:Every front engine coupe with a back seat would be 100% improved by being a hatchback instead.
>>28695191Why aren't all sedans like this?
>>28695365Ehh depends. If the wagon is $100k and 5000lbs then you might as well just go with an SUV at that point. Handling is irrelevant at that point and an SUV is infinitely more practical. Even something like a 3900lb Outback at $40k+ doesn't make much sense when you can get a large crossover a an entry level pickup at that point.
Wagons look gay and ugly. Sedans look cool and stylish. I'd rather just get a hatchback than ugly wagon. I'm also a light traveller, I don't item hoard. People don't buy wagons anymore as they are weird ugly abominations.
>>28695081>they look much cooleri like wagons but even i know this is REALLY grasping at straws now.
Wagons look like sedans holding in a big constipated shit.
>>28695081My sedan has 520l boot size, the e91 only has 460
>>28695081>>they have significantly more cargo space>>they look much coolerlollmao
>>28695133>cuck has to compromise with his wifeYes, truly a mystery why they buy them
>>28695629That's a hatchback, retard
>>28695081>they look much coolerAnything with a hatchback is a mom car
>>28695081they're ugly and like that was not enough they also put those ugly railings on the roof.
>>28695081wagonmen.... i SNEED a new car and Volvo has stopped producing the V90 CC and even stopped producing the V90is A6 Allroad the only viable option left?530d xdrive?
>>28695125>They trade looks for storage space and having a spacious trunk is one of the last things on young people's minds when buying a car>Highest-selling body style for a car has been the crossover for almost a decadeYeah, bro, people totally care about "good looks" when buying a car.
>>28695991Young people aren't the ones buying new cars THOUGH
>>28695125>They trade looks for storage space and having a spacious trunk is one of the last things on young people's minds when buying a car>he thinks people are buying for looksYeah that's why the crossover segment has been killing sedans off for the past 10 years.
>>28695125>They trade looks for storage spaceUh bud, the top 5 best selling cars for 2025 according to KBB>Rav4 (crossover)>CR-V (crossover)>Equinox (crossover)>Camry (sedan)>Model Y (crossover)Looks like trading looks for storage space is pretty damn popular.
>>28695638>People don't buy wagons anymore as they are weird ugly abominations.>posts an X4yeah ok nigger
>>28695991>>28696105>>28696159Do young people buy new cars often in your country?
>>28696267Young people in my cunt do it all the time
>>28696267I don't see how that's relevant to the thread nor my post. The argument that wagons died because nobody wants to "trade looks for storage" is flat out wrong when the 5 best selling new cars are 4 crossovers and the most bland mid looking uninspiring sedan ever made.
>>28695081Wagons and sedans both aren't things anymore because every car manufacturers realized the meta was cheating on CAFE standards by selling nothing but "light trucks" in lieu of actual cars. Shitheads then proceed to take them at face value when they say they're "responding to market trends" as if they aren't responsible for this market in the first place.
>>28695981Skoda Superb. Might be a pedestrian brand but they're just nice in a boring, safe way.
>>28695081SUV>wagon
Estate cars were class. M3 wagon is the only choice now.
>>28697254Also, with the EA888 it's fast enough and can easily be made faster.
