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>>28695968
https://newsroom.hagerty.com/press/meet-gen-z-americas-next-generation-of-car-collectors/

>>28695968
>new cars won't sell because zoomers want cool classic cars
>car manufacturers start building old style cars again
who am i kidding they'll just keep making giant electric movie theater crossovers on giant rims and keep selling them to china

>>28695974
>they love driving
>most gen z are getting their license at 25
Stop the cap

>>28695985
Multiple things can be true at the same time. It takes them longer to get their license due to any number of factors (a major one being that the economy has been fucked for 6 years and cars are fucking expensive and you probably don't need a license if you don't have a car you're allowed to drive), and then once they get their license and actually start driving it turns out they really love doing it.

>>28695968
>zoomers want

that's not zoomers "can afford"

>>28696004
That's not the point. The point is that demand will buoy prices. There are absolutely enough rich zoomers out there via inheritance, crypto, e-shilling, actual work, etc to buy desirable cars the second that they descend into their price range.

>>28695968
I saw a busted up, well used '85 Supra going for like $23K, which is much more than alot of modern used cars go for in my area. the classic car market makes me wanna blow my head smooth off.

high iq anons will see this as an untapped market and will take advantage of the situation. lot of money to be made here.

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>>28695974
Ok Alexa now how many gen Z can actually work on old cars, diagnose, and afford the parts to repair them.

They're all delusional children in a shared fantasy believing if they had a cool car they'd have a bitch on them. With 0 real considerations for long term ownership.

>just take it to a shop!
Good luck finding one that'll even accept your shitbox let alone one that specializes in whatever niche work that it will need.

I'm a zoomer with a cool old car but it's because I'm a 2nd generation wrench and can fix anything that happens. Very few of my peers have these skills or willingness to learn and adapt.

>>28695984
China is so far ahead of the US it's not even funny.

ok chang wang

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>>28696122
And yet they didn't have the technokogy to make fucking ball point pens until like 2017 LOL
chankjank supporters are so fucking delusional

>>28696067
i've sometimes thought i should buy cars that zoomers grew up admiring so when they hit their money making years in the 2030s i can make bank but most of those 2010s cars are just so boring and soulless

isn't it funny how tik tok took zoomers from
>i dont wanna license i want walkable cities
to this? pretty based imo. still not downloading it though.

>>28696175
How are walkable cities anti-driving/car?

>>28696175
It's the opposite of based. I want LESS retards on the road, not more.

>>28696193
the end goal of the walkable cities agenda, whether its proponents know it or are just unaware useful idiots, is to make car ownership and use incredibly burdensome and unfeasible

>>28696203
Huh? This sounds like something somebody made up. There's literally nothing bad about being able to walk to the store. You realize "real" small American towns (not suburbs) are by design "walkable," right?

>>28696193
>wants to remove cars from specific area
>"this is not anti-car sentiment btw"
post nose

>>28696213
>wants to remove cars from specific area
At least to my understanding this is something completely different and I've never heard car bans being a part of any real walkable city. The point is to have everything you need to live within walkable distance or at least within distance of a train or bus line so that you don't need to get in your car for 10 minutes to go to the store. Do you think they're banning cars in small towns?

>>28696129
Is that Lanie Gardner? I just made a fake of her yesterday.

>>28696218
Nah, it's Steve Buscemi.

>>28695968
>90-00 sports and mid-tier luxury cars will reach absurd prices by 30s
Kinda funny how noone wanted them back in the day, cause they were mostly absolutely clapped out, but now everyone and their mom tries to rescue riced out supras and restore zombie tier mercedes chassis.

>>28696087
Bud, I think your chances of finding a shop to work on a 1970-2010 car are way way higher than a non-dealer fixing a modern .5L turbo cvt iPad car.

>>28696087
This
If anything this will lower prices when they sell their none running project cars.
>>28696226
Yeah shops would rather work on obsolete fuel and carburetor systems than ones with hundreds of sensors that tell you exactly what’s wrong with the car.
>but muh scan tools are so expensive!
It’s a pittance for an actual shop.

>>28696469
I own a classic car and every time I take it to a shop for something I don't want to do literally every mechanic says that they'd rather work on cars like this for any number of different reasons. Sometimes because they're cooler, sometimes because they're rarer, but often because they're easier to work on and you don't have to disassemble 60% of the engine and a bunch of plastic covers in order to get at whatever needs fixing. This goes double if you're smart enough to tell them what's wrong with the car so they don't have to spend time diagnosing at the outset.

>>28696469
what is with you people and cherry picking the absolute cuntiest, most obnoxious edge case to score a faggot fucking GOTCHA?

>That's a 2023 CVT that failed after 30k miles, i can't actually service it, i need to order a part from the dealer. assuming they'll even sell it. And then even if i get swapped in, you'll need to tow to it to the dealer to reprogram the ECU.
vs
>oh a 5 spd automatic from 2004? sure i can fix that.

it's infuriating cunty, faggot midwit bullshit, stop it.

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>>28695968
Most classics will go down in price. Us zoomers don't care about 57' Chevy's.

Iconic cars that have been featured in movies/tv will attract more and more interest. I'm 27 and I got mine.

It won't only be Japanese cars and frankly exotics from the 2000's onward will drop hugely. Save for something like a Murcielago with a gated 6.

The TikTok flex-gods just want what's new/highest status and expensive. You can always buy a new McLaren, they don't make old muscle cars anymore.

>>28696507
what size wheels and tires you got on the back of that thing? i have 15x7s and want to get 275/60s but i feel like i need 8" wheels for that.

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>>28696507
Picrel, took a picture of three moron kids who had just wrecked their McLaren. I honked twice and laughed lol

>>28696514
>Can't park there m8.

>>28696507
>71 R/T
Based as fuck. I have me a 440-swapped '73.

>>28696485
Gee, they’d rather have a guy come in who wants something specific done than troubleshoot a normie’s car?

Granted older cars did have a lot more space, but unless you drive a BMW or Audi it’s not the end of the world.
>>28696492
Talk about cherry picking lol
>muh CVTs that fail at 30k!
Besides the Nissan jatco ones that were mated to engines they were rated for, this isn’t a thing. From what I’ve seen CVTs are as reliable as traditional autos. The only person I’ve known who’s had to get a CVT replaced was a Nissan at 150k miles.

And you do know you have to drop the transmission to replace a clutch right? It’s more work than replacing a transmission.

>>28696203
Car ownership and use has always been incredibly burdensome, which is why so many people wish they could just walk everywhere they need to go.

>>28696216
retards hear about a 15 minute city and think it means they'll be locked into a walled ghetto surrounded by men with guns who won't let them leave

>>28696554
and children on the internet see american freedom and get scared and think we need to be rebuilt to be like their favorite gay little european commie block.

>le zoomers this le zoomers that
Clueless balding millenials. You sound exactly like boomers did 10+ years ago when they were always saying "why aren't millenials driving" and "millenials are killing the car industry".

>>28696554
It's funny because basically every single small city (pop of 30k-50k) in America is a walkable 15 minute city.
It's only mega cities full of niggers where it takes 45 minutes to go anywhere.

>>28696087
Im 22, looking for an older reliable car. Am I supposed to just know how to fix it? I assumed one would learn, ask their dad, use the internet and books to get better at fixing and diagnosing cars. I dont understad the attitude of "You should just know".

>>28695985
No they aren't

how much could I sell my 3sgte swapped aw11 for?
I put like $13.5k into it including the car cost

>>28696610
YouTube anon. You can learn virtually anything you need to know. Might need to start slow, like
>how to use a wrench
Maybe some flash cards
>righty tighty
>lefty loosey
Jokes aside, it’s so much easier now than back in the days of Chilton manuals.

>>28696589
American freedom to kiss nigger boots

>>28696598
every generation is the exact same

>>28696610
Backyard mechanics learn through trial and error. You can look up videos if you have no idea. But some things in older trucks/cars are logical and quite simple. Over time you will be able to figure out more and more on your own. It's like anything in life, you can't get experience without trying.

>>28696598
>they were always saying "why aren't millenials driving" and "millenials are killing the car industry"
This wasn't being said, and if it was, there was no data to support it. Millennials weren't getting their licenses on average at age 25 you clueless cunt.

>>28696485
There are lego sets that are more mechanically complex than your average classic car.

>>28696667
i'm a millenial (43) and i can tell you, getting your license at 16 was absolutely a rite of passage. You were considered "weird" if you didn't want to drive. granted this was small town eastern oregon, but still... outside of manhattan i have a hard time imagining 16 year old kids not wanting that freedom.

because that's what a car is, you urban cunts.

>>28695984
one can dream of a car renaissance...one can dream...

>>28696667
It was being said. There were countless articles in legacy media writtne by gen x and boomers saying exactly that.

>Millennials weren't getting their licenses on average at age 25 you clueless cunt
Do you have the data to support this?
And even so, you should consider this.
>when the average millenial was of driving age, they could buy a perfectly running car for $500
>when zoomers reached driving age, that $500 car is now $5000

>>28696663
every generation
blames the one before
>>28696610
these days it's a lot easier. decades old forum posts, internet archive for dead links (most of the time anyway) and jewtube as well. obscure problems can still be a case of
>hey guys i got this weird problem [that you're having as well]
>nvm i fixed it/PM'ed you the fix etc.
>last edited: May 2, 2003

>>28696681
Link some of them, and the supporting data that millennials were failing to launch. That's being tracked and published every day about gen z, something like 3% of people with driver's licenses are under the age of 19.

>when the average millenial was of driving age, they could buy a perfectly running car for $500
No we couldn't, I'm in my mid 30s and millennials at MY AGE got absolutely mogged by cash for clunkers. $500 bought you a pile of shit that would give you frequent headaches. 5k got you a decent used car.

>>28696685
Yeah just let me go search for articles from 12 years ago that'll surely be easy.
If you don't know this then you obviously weren't a part of car culture 10+ years ago. Go away johnny come lately.

By the way, cash for clunkers started around the time when the oldest zoomers were getting their license.
Way to out yourself as a larping zoomer.

>>28696589
they just want a supermarket closer to their apartment, and to not have to cross an 8 lane road to get to it
that's literally the entire movement

>>28696700
They want every white male on HRT and "hate speech" outlawed. These are common sense measures that will make everyone safer.

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>>28696218
You're godsdamn right

>>28696703
Ok, gramps
lets get you to bed

>>28696688
>Yeah just let me go search for articles from 12 years ago that'll surely be easy.
Lil bro you weren't even in middle school twelve years ago. The most you were doing online back then was fucking around in Garry's Mod.
>If you don't know this then you obviously weren't a part of car culture 10+ years ago.
Pathetic attempt at saving face. What's online stays online. There's always waybackmachine.

>By the way, cash for clunkers started around the time when the oldest zoomers were getting their license.
The oldest zoomers would have been 12 during cash for clunkers
>Generation Z includes those born between 1997 and 2012

>Way to out yourself as a larping zoomer.
Fucking lol

When cash for clunkers started I was 19 and didn't have a car yet. I had a few people that would let me drive their cars, but considering it was the fucking great recession, I was shit out of luck for a decent job so getting a car then was tougher than nails.

>>28696708
Bro what am I, a larping zoomer or unc status?
>>28696685
>>28696703

>>28696700
>hm, should i spend my life bitching and moaning trying to turn every american city into a communist shithole, or move across the street

>>28696715
oh no, the alzheimers is getting worse

>>28696725
Answer me, gaymo

>>28696726
ok, the answer is that there's more than one person in this thread telling you that you're retarded

>>28696601
Yeah if you live on main street.
And if the town’s in the 5 figures you probably don’t.

>>28696727
Then why does everyone on this subreddit have the exact same name? Checkmate, Atheists.

>>28696730
>every place in the world needs to be exactly how i like it and if you don't like it fuck you

>>28696685
Dude I’m 5 years younger than you and I’ve owned 4 cars I bought for less than $2,000 (2 were less than $1k).
Idk why everyone retroactively thinks C4C was some shitbox hall of cost.

>>28696733
That’s pretty much what GM said that got us in this predicament, so yes.

>>28696730
Grew up in a town of 40k and it'd take 20-30 minutes to walk from one end of town to the other, for the main part of town anyway not including the little offshoot areas.

>>28696730
>Yeah if you live on main street.
Dude, every small American town that you RETVRN WITH A V posters coom over was walkable, you realize that right? Do you think that kids on bikes in those Spielberg fever dreams would have been able to bike to the store or do their paper routes in a shitty suburb 20 minutes away by car from everything?

When I was a kid, we had a hardware store in town. Every time my dad and I were working on something and we needed a new part or tool, he'd give me $20 and I'd bike down to the hardware store, pick up a part, and be back in 5 minutes. Now, as an adult, that hardware store has closed down. Every time I need something, no matter how miniscule, I now have to get in my car drive 15 minutes to Home Depot. I cannot possibly describe how much WORSE of an experience this is.

The reason why suburbs are absolutely fucking miserable places is because you can't actually GO ANYWHERE. Do you know what I do in my small American town when I want an ice cream? I leave my house, I walk for 5 minutes (2 if I bike) down to main street to my favorite ice cream shop, walk in, give my longtime family friend who owns the place a hug, and get my fucking ice cream FOR FREE because I'm a local. Do you think that same level of enjoyment and community would be possible if I had to get in my car, drive ten minutes to a strip mall, walk in, and buy ice cream from a fucking chain store? Because all that walkable city people are doing is advocating for the former, a way of life that has been practiced throughout LITERALLY THE ENTIRE WORLD since the FIRST CITY EVER BUILT. I love driving. I love my cars. I own multiple and am even considering getting a job where I can drive all day. But you can bet your motherfucking ass that the absolute LAST TIME I want to be in a car is to get an easy treat for myself or pick up a single key item from the grocery store.

>>28696711
>Lil bro you weren't even in middle school twelve years ago. The most you were doing online back then was fucking around in Garry's Mod.
I've been on this board since 2009. You haven't, otherwise you'd have seen all the threads of boomer journalists crying about millenials being the reason the auto industry is dying.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-20/clay-millennials-are-driving-the-shift-away-from-cars/5906406

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2012/12/10/millennials-drivers-license-not-driving-cars/

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/us/report-finds-americans-are-driving-less-led-by-youth.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/10/14/the-many-reasons-millennials-are-shunning-cars/

https://www.npr.org/2013/08/21/209579037/why-millennials-are-ditching-cars-and-redefining-ownership

https://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2012/09/25/why-the-theory-that-millennials-dont-care-about-cars-is-wrong/

>>28696759
Just grabbing the first handful of articles from a Google search.

Now cope and seethe and cry and bitch and moan and piss and shit yourself you delusional nigger faggot.

Before zoomers became the punching bag of older generations it was millennials who were copping all the same shit.

>>28696751
>I've been on this board since 2009. You haven't
Exactly, I was on better boards like /a/, /g/ and /v/. Why the fuck would I visit the automobile board as a broke ass teen? You wouldn't download a car, would you anon? Just going to repost this for the lulz

>By the way, cash for clunkers started around the time when the oldest zoomers were getting their license.
>The oldest zoomers would have been 12 during cash for clunkers

>>28696759
>>28696761
I set this trap for you and it's a doozy: all of these articles are during the recovery from the GFC. We've been on an 8 year bull run. What excuse do zoomers have for not getting their license and buying a car? To pretend like the set of circumstances that millennials dealt with are the exact same as what lil zooms are dealing with right now makes you a fucking laughing stock.

>>28696744
I live in Australia, it's hot, humid, and lots of slopes (the terrain, not Asians, though there's too many of those, roo5) and little sun cover from a scorching sun.

Even riding a bicycle or motorcycle drenches you in sweat. It's ok for a leisurely motive, but sucks for productive causes

>>28696665
Exactly. Wish I started earlier

I have a 2003 evo. I love it. However, it is such a pleasure to hop into a brand new, smooth and safe SUV when you just need to get from point a to b when you're tired or in traffic.

At the moment, the evo is an excellent "second" family car. I do get the itch for something more practical, though.

However, I'd like to keep the car, as surely it'll be a novel classics before long. It's also relatively easy to work on and upgrade

That said - I am part of the shrinking middle class, and keeping a capital and space intensive asset parked up is a folly for the rich.

I have to pay over $1000 a year to keep it road, and another $1500 to have decent insurance coverage which is necessary with all the jeets around

In another 8 years it can go on historic plates, which should reduce the cost.

Unfortunately, it's getting very expensive to own a double garage...

>>28696783
>historic plates
In the US this isn't even worth it. In lots of places there are restrictions on use and you can't daily something with historic plates. If the cops are uppity where you live they'll give you grief for it.

>>28696790
nah they're fine. i have them and you can daily with them no problem. if cops see you they give you a thumbs up.

>>28696770
>What excuse do zoomers have for not getting their license and buying a car?
Many do have a license and car. Ig you were involved in car culture at all you'd know lots of zoomers have cars.

Keep coping.

>pretend like the set of circumstances that millennials dealt with are the exact same as what lil zooms are dealing with right now makes you a fucking laughing stock
You're right, as millenials we had it a lot easier. I remember in 2010-2012 could buy a good condition car for <$1000 every day of the week. Those exact same cars are now ~5k for zoomers today.
Not to mention sports cars that have all gone up 10x in price since then.

>>28696087
>how many gen Z can
Ok bet
>actually work on old cars
Hell yeah
>diagnose
Hell yeah
>and afford the parts to repair them
FUCK okay you got me there
>>28696507
>Us zoomers don't care about 57' Chevys
Speak for yourself, I'd love one of those but they all come with a $10,000 Boomer tax
>>28696672
Freedom to do what?
Freedom to go where?
To the malls that have all closed down due to amazon?
To the bowling alleys that were bulldozed to build Tesla chargers?
To the shopping centers that have nothing left but a bong shop and a subway?

I go out driving just to drive, because there isn't anywhere to GO anymore. My destinations are just certain roads that have some nice curves on them, and then I spend way too much on gas for the privilege.
The days of filling your tank for 5 bucks and then hanging out all day at the mall with your friends are long gone, and somehow, the people who never got the chance to do it are to blame?
Not to mention how shitty and boring and appliance-like most modern cars are, making the driving experience even more pathetic.

>>28696795
>l-lots of zoomers have cars
The arguments get weaker and weaker

>Keep coping.
Ironic

>You're right, as millenials we had it a lot easier. I remember in 2010-2012 could buy a good condition car for <$1000 every day of the week.
You lived in some flyover shithole. As a CaliCHAD what you're describing just didn't exist.

>Not to mention sports cars that have all gone up 10x in price since then.
Are you too fucking stupid to figure out it's a lot of zoomers now fueling that sports car craze? They're the reason NA miatas are 10k+ you fucking moron. The minority of zooms that are into cars yeeted their fr fr no cap cash on to old luxury and sports cars. I can't remember the last time I saw a LS400 that wasn't slammed with some broccoli head faggot at the wheel.

>>28696748
At least someone here gets it, if I need something as basic as a fucking loaf of bread I have to get in the car and drive into town where all the damn grocery stores are, my grandma points out all of the old shops and corner stores whenever I take her driving and it just makes me hate the likes of Walmart that much more.
Our house used to have a Pepsi vending machine in front of it in the 70s!! Like how cool is that?? People used to walk and bike around! Now it's all "let's go get in our fucking giant ass F250 to get some cheese slices since tommy forgot to get them!"

>>28696827
so go move into town, what's the issue

>>28696825
>The arguments get weaker and weaker
It's clear you aren't involved in car culture whatsoever, meets are full of zoomers.

>You lived in some flyover shithole. As a CaliCHAD what you're describing just didn't exist
So a 240sx was also 10k+ in California, even around 2010?
By the way, I doubt you were even out of primary school during the GFC, because during that era used cars were dirt ass cheap.

>Are you too fucking stupid to figure out it's a lot of zoomers now fueling that sports car craze? They're the reason NA miatas are 10k+ you fucking moron
Oh so NOW it's the zoomers who driving all the demand for older sports cars? I thought zoomers weren't into cars, yet now you're claiming they are able to drive such a massive demand that resulted in sports cars instantly going 5x-10x their value in just a handful of years?

You're one stupid fucker.

>>28696790
Yeah, it's a trade off - you can only drive 60 days a year and there's restrictions on modifications.
I'm still a while away, but I'll see what the rules and costs are when the time comes. Like I said, annual on road costs where I live are incredibly expensive and only getting worse, mostly because of all the browns getting into accidents without insurance and sending people to hospital.

>>28696795
I feel bad for younger generations. More feminised, less father figures, less white, more density. Less families owning cars and garages, and everything is more expensive. Immigrants taking jobs traditionally reserved for teenagers. I have a lot of sympathy.

>>28696816
Hopefully younger generations gets back into motorbikes due to lower cost of entry
They certainly love e bikes, but that's mostly due to the lack of regulation and many are acting like niggers and should truly be licensed

>>28696827
You realise that the main driver off that is mass immigration, and people needing LESS proximity to niggers?
Functioning multi zoning dense cities only work with whites and Asians

>>28696827
>>28696834
I feel like neither of you have been to Japan. It's super urbanized in a few areas without being a fucking shit storm of cars trying to run you down everywhere. In Tokyo vending machines everywhere because people with storefronts are incentivized to have them, it's not far from home to find a place with fresh produce etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw6rby5SZ7w

>>28696843
i've been to japan multiple times. that has nothing to do with why you can't move into the town you love so much that's right down the street from where you live now.

>>28696836
>It's clear you aren't involved in car culture whatsoever, meets are full of zoomers.
Dropped off by mom and dad, borrowing their parent's car, showing up in an aforementioned overpriced NA miata with their tranny bf.
>So a 240sx was also 10k+ in California, even around 2010?
I have no fucking idea, but NA Miatas weren't 10-15k like they are now. On craigslist I remember seeing high mileage ones for 3k all the time. The same high mileage Miatas are more than triple the price now

>Oh so NOW it's the zoomers who driving all the demand for older sports cars?
If you didn't omit part of the quote like the little fag you are to make a nice strawman out of it you'd realize zoomers failing to launch and getting licenses later in life while also swarming all the cool old cars can be simultaneously true. I never said NO zoomers are driving you dumbfuck. Talking to you is like filling a cavity.

>You're one stupid fucker.
Stop submitting posts while staring in the mirror FOR REAL FOR REAL ON GOD

>>28696845
Maybe because those towns are fading fast?

>>28696847
>>28696836
are you guys having fun spending your night arguing over who's a bigger faggot? you're both winning, btw.

>>28696849
I'm playing video games while tabbing back and wrecking this nigger's shitter. Enjoying the peanut gallery, gaylord?

>>28696848
they exist everywhere right now. you can go live in one right now.

>>28696853
What if I do? This website isn't all just one guy named anonymous talking to himself.

>>28696841
>Hopefully younger generations gets back into motorbikes due to lower cost of entry
Motorbikes are plenty popular, but you can't really take friends with you on them so most people with social circles default to cars. Doubly so in the country where you need to be able to take some form of luggage with you almost anywhere you go.

>>28696855
then great, you live in your little 15 minute walkable city so quit whining

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>>28696841
>You realise that the main driver off that is mass immigration, and people needing LESS proximity to niggers?
Suburbs and small towns are majority white and have even bigger problems with this than cities. The problem is that small businesses can't survive in the modern economy. Box stores and online retailers sell more for less with lower overhead.

>>28696857
Quote where I was whining? Once again, for the developmentally disabled among us (you)
>This website isn't all just one guy named anonymous talking to himself.

>>28696514
random kids every where own Maclarens and lambos. i thought it was just LA influencer fags but even random Pennsyltucky kids have supercars

what the fuck am i doing wrong with my life

>>28696847
>zoomers failing to launch and getting licenses later in life while also swarming all the cool old cars can be simultaneously true
Probably has something to do with covid lockdowns why zoomers got their licenses later in life. Same reason why most of them lost their virginity later compared to older generations.

>>28696859
if two people are having a conversation, and you reply to one of them continuing the conversation, you shouldn't be surprised when people think they're still talking to the same person. typically here on 4chan when doing that you would start your initial post with 'NTA' or something to that effect.

>>28696847
Miatas only got popular because they were DIRT CHEAP for the driving experience offered. It's funny seeing clapped out 30 year old Miatas being so expensive

>>28696856
Motorbikes are cheap enough to be a vehicle for hooning enthusiasm, purely. Even slow motorbikes are good fun. This isn't really a question of practicality, but petrol oriented hobbyism

>>28696858
Are you sure about that regarding small towns?
I fully understand that a Walmart will absolutely wipe out small business, but if the town is too small for a Walmart, is there not a space for that decentralised economy? Not that you need much, mind you.
Also dw I may strongly dislike non whites but my disdain extends to all with low iq and criminality, so I understand that small town living isn't necessarily paradise.

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>>28695968
Curious how long it'll be before a company takes advantage of this law.
https://www.sema.org/news-media/magazine/2022/08/its-time-replicas
You could probably turn a profit by selling 400 brand new R34s per year at this point.

>>28696875
You're a newfag and haven't figured this place out yet. That's okay, soon you'll develop terminal autism and recognize different people by their posting styles.

>>28696869
You'd be surprised how many rich people have primary or second homes in rural areas where construction prices and massive land parcels are cheap. Lots of regional business owners like top realtors or head contractors or county garbage disposal CEOs or towing service bosses will buy massive sections of forest and drop a big fat house on it. Lots of trust fund kids wind up being the children of these sorts of people.

>>28696883
project all you want but hopefully you learned something for next time.

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>>28696208
It's schizophrenia from people who have never actually lived in a small town that was developed long before the interstates. They can't conceive of a place that doesn't look like pic related so they start freaking out.

>>28696879
>Are you sure about that regarding small towns?
I live in one so yeah I'm pretty sure.
>if the town is too small for a Walmart, is there not a space for that decentralised economy?
No. The economic incentives are pretty simple:
>Shitsville, Fucksville, Pissville, and Assville are all too small individually to warrant a Walmart.
>however, they're all roughly within 15-30 minutes of each other or some other central point, and have a combined statistical area of high enough population to warrant a Walmart.
>Walmart drops down the Toilet County Regional Walmart that services all four towns along with all the little T-intersection hamlets between them.
>Tons of stores close down because Walmart can buy and ship things cheaper due to bulk orders and the fact that truckers would rather ship to Walmart and turn right the fuck back around than spend the next 15-30 minutes navigating country backroads to offload on the main street of Fucksville.

Where I am you can see this in action by measuring the distance between the big malls in the area. We have a Walmart, Home Depot, Target, and other big stores 10-20 minutes away depending on traffic. That regional hotspot serves towns as far east as the state border 45 minutes away (you can see plates from the next state over shopping at our outlet mall) and as far north as an hour from me (everything north is country wilderness). 45 minutes east you hit another regional hotspot situated in a mid-sized town that serves all of its satellite towns. 45 minutes south you hit the same thing, and 15-30 minutes after that you hit the biggest city in a solid 200 miles. This specific spread also aids their e-commerce goals since many big box stores also double as mini-warehouses they can use for delivery distribution a la Amazon. It has nothing to do with brown people and everything to do with companies being 100% willing to drop down a store anywhere where people are willing to drive to it or at least have stuff delivered from it.

>>28696881
My thoughts on this:
This would be like a resurgence of kit cars IF people can get "cool" cars for a cheaper price than current market offerings ie it's not about owning an R34 per se, it's about owning a fun manual turbo car with a perfect balance of technology and repairability

Also, a remanufacturing of parts for these cars would be incredibly popular and would encourage people to keep them on the road longer

I love that President Trump has EPA in his sights - ridiculous emmissions regulations are what killed cars as much as any market cronyism. Relaxed regulations, particularly for older vehicle designs, will allow many people to have reliable, sporty and wrench able cars.

I saw that Shelby cobra reproductions are incredibly popular and profitable.

>>28696893
>>28696879
As an addendum to this, it's worth noting that a lot of these small towns want these big box stores on both a citizen and administrative level. Townspeople like them because hey, fuck, it's a Walmart, anything you want for cheap. Town admins like them because the presence of a big box store nearby is a huge incentive to get people to live in or near your town, which means a tax base, jobs, and money (remember, Walmart is the nation's biggest private employer by jobs volume). The increased economic activity also serves as a beacon for other businesses and jobs to move in, because it means that there are people who live in the area or are at least WILLING to live there.

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>>28696896
>ridiculous emmissions regulations are what killed cars as much as any market cronyism.
No prior administration bothered closing the light truck exemption, which prompted every manufacturer to start pushing crossovers and SUVs in lieu of cars. I'll leave you to determine whether the culprit here is the emissions regs themselves or "market cronyism."

>Relaxed regulations, particularly for older vehicle designs, will allow many people to have reliable, sporty and wrench able cars.
You aren't even getting a situation like the Nissan Tsuru or a Lada Riva. Where a cheap manual car with a classic design stays in production for decades. This is because American assembly lines are geared towards making the kind of shit in pic related. They have no incentive nor means to go back to making anything older. So this is what you'll keep getting in lieu of cheap, sporty cars. The damage is already done. The only way carmakers would ever change course is by mandating they make what you're describing. But that would mean actually regulating them.

>>28696893
>>28696904
Yeah, it's tough - we just keep getting that sort of development in the name of "progress" and GDP.
Then land tax increases, and the democrats drop in 60iq savages in section 8 houses that the mayor/senator just purchased..

>>28696945
Now don't get me wrong, Ford and GM are underhanded and evil and use regulation via government to block competition.

However

There is nothing stopping the government from rolling back regulations (which themselves are unconstitutional and illegal, all laws should come from congress).

Any manufacturer or importer can then bring in and sell any vehicle they want (or open the door for smaller private import).

Africa, China, Russia, all still making carburettor vehicles available to buy new. No dpf bullshit.

Safety requirements, especially for pedestrians, absolute bs. People should be able to choose how much safety they want, and the market will offer it

Most people will still buy Toyota corolla and Ford f150, but the average American should have access to cheap reliable cars without any bells and whistles if they so choose

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>>28696949
>Any manufacturer or importer can then bring in and sell any vehicle they want (or open the door for smaller private import).
Every prior US administration in the past 30 (50? Maybe even 80?) has been against anything resembling this. But to bring this up as a possibility NOW? There is a better chance of GM restarting Corvair production lines because Trump told them to.

>>28696744
I live in a town of 20k and the closest grocery store is 2 miles down a road with no side walk and deep ditches.

>>28696955
I think Trump has the auto manufacturers by the balls. They live off bail outs and favourable regulations nearly as much as the banks. All other administrations acquiesced to them.

Not Trump. He wants them to manufacture in America, and employ Americans.

Loosening EPA and safety regulations is a bone he'll throw them to save out on R&D and retooling costs.
If the execs are smart and not Jewish, they'll go with it.
The main issue is that Trump could leave office and Bidens corpses autopen could reverse the policy overnight, which is what business hates and why energy policy is so hard to get right

Of course, defunding the EPA is trumps way of building up manufacturing, and not so much giving Americans cheaper cars. Hopefully that is a happy by product of the policy.

Manufacturers would love to reduce engine development because of constantly evolving EU regulations

>>28696959
>He wants them to manufacture in America, and employ Americans.
>Of course, defunding the EPA is trumps way of building up manufacturing, and not so much giving Americans cheaper cars. Hopefully that is a happy by product of the policy.
You can't have both of these at the same time without fully opening the door for foreign market competition by way of anyone anywhere (including China) selling anything they want in the US and Trump has already said he won't do this so it's a non-starter. Until there's cheap competition, US automakers have zero reason to drop prices. They've found out that people will pay at the current price point even if they have to take out a loan and that suits them just fine.

>>28696962
There's a scenario where building cars becomes cheaper (relaxed regulations, tax benefits for purchasing domestic cars, and/or foreign vehicles are tariffed)

I'm in Australia, we have few import barriers. The Chinese junk is barely cheaper than the highest quality Japanese cars.

If we allow Ford/GM to build a car so cheaply due to reduced R&D and regulatory widgets, they could sell a car cheaply and maintain their margins. There will always be a market for safer, larger and or tech packed cars as well, it's not like every car is going to be a lada or a land rover defender

The door needs to be open for someone to build a very barebones car again. It could be couch built on a ladder frame if need be, you don't need a giga factory.

As much as I don't like EV, Elon was able to stand up a whole manufacturer (with plenty of government shekels)

Anything is possible if the government has the will

>>28696852
>wrecking this nigger's shitter
hey man, what you do in the bedroom is your business

>>28696981
>If we allow Ford/GM to build a car so cheaply due to reduced R&D and regulatory widgets, they could sell a car cheaply and maintain their margins.
That's the point, we DO allow for that. They DON'T do that because corporations that make and sell things for profit have a single Always-On financial incentive: sell the cheapest possible piece of shit for the highest possible price that the market will allow. Even if they could make a car for $10 there is no financial incentive to sell them for anything less than current sky-high market prices because unless a competitor willing to offer a lower-price car does so there's no market option for someone who wants a new car. You are literally FORCED to buy it at the ceiling if there is no alternative, or you go without a new car and buy a used one.

The 2025 Nissan Versa, currently the cheapest car in America, has an MSRP of $17,350. The cheapest Ford of the past few years was the EcoSport at $22,040 and they DISCONTINUED IT. Now everything is $24,000 and up. Nissan doesn't have some kind of lost alien technology that helps them make cheap cars, they aren't immune from some regulation that's brought other automakers to their knees, the Big 3 just know that people can, have, and will continue to buy $30,000 slopmobiles because their other options are so limited.

>>28696987
I totally get what you're saying, but old cars and designs are eventually no longer allowed to be sold because of emmissions or safety regulations.

For example - Suzuki was able to sell a 1990s design Dr650 carburettor motorbike until last year in Australia, because the laws allowed the grandfathering of the design. It was literally unchanged from the 90s, and itself was only an iterative update from the 80s.
It was only taken off sale due to the mandating of ABS.
This was an incredibly popular bike because it was light, reliable, robust, and cheap. The replacement is now with abs, fuel injection, ecu etc all shit that adventure tourers don't want or need

If the regulations were rolled back to what you could sell in 1990, I guarantee that the market would adapt to that, in some manner. Especially for work, commuter and sports vehicles.

Manufacturers are literally still making those designs (or licencing it out) to the third world where those regulations don't exist

>>28696816
>there are no places where i can go mindlessly CONSOOM anymore that means the world is empty
Come on now my boy,are you deadass,on G as you kids would say

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>>28696992
They literally would not though. Do you want to know how I know? Look at how US automakers reacted to cheap Chinese EVs. Here's a list of things they did not say:
>"Deregulate the market so we can make cheap cars too!"
>"Give us lots and lots of state funding and subsidies so we can match China's price-point!"
>"Help us with R&D costs into research to make better and cheaper cars!"

Here's what they DID say:
>"BAN THEM! DO NOT LET THESE CARS IN!"

Are these the words and methods of an industry interested in cheap cars and healthy competition? No. Because expensive cars bring in better margins than cheap cars do all other things equal, regardless of market, and regardless of regulations, and the reason why is what I call the Quality Valley. Pic related.

Cars have a unique market dynamic: they are a long-lasting yet depreciating asset with easily-differentiable variations in technical capability. These variations can be packaged into differing levels of "quality" in the eyes of consumers depending on what they want (speed, comfort, safety, tech factor, simplicity, etc). Their depreciation is somewhat unique in the sense that it is market-wide, occurs regardless of a car's features in the vast majority of instances, and is only reversed after a long period of time or after significant cultural change. The result is that most old cars, regardless of capability, will be cheaper than most newer cars. This creates the Quality Valley.

For any given feature set a consumer desires (Perceived Quality) there is a high chance of a used car possessing all of the required features for a cheaper price than a used car. $17,350 gets you a new Nissan Versa, a 122 HP 4-cyl shitbox only in shades of grey and no features other than lane and pedestrian detection. Meanwhile, $17,350 on the used market gets you basically any kind of car you want. Golden age muscle cars. Golden age luxury cars. Sports cars. Sports compacts. Luxury SUVs. Hybrid sedans. Why buy the Versa at all?

>>28696997
>>28696992
As a result, the manufacturer is faced with a predicament: they either create a car that is priced SO LOW that most of the quality is derived from the price itself (the left side of the graph) or they produce a high-end car that, despite the expense, possesses so many desirable traits and capabilities that its feature-set justifies the price (the right side of the graph). Every cheap shitbox that you could POSSIBLY make will fall in the middle because there will be used cars out there that look better, do more, go faster, whatever you want, all for way less money. This is Quality Valley.

This is why manufacturers are all-in on selling more Silverados, more F-150s, more RAMs. They can price them higher and get way more profit per car. Cranking out shitboxes that are sold at slim margins to customers that are barely willing to buy them isn't a winning formula. It wasn't even a winning formula 10-20 years ago; GM closed their budget arm Saturn because profitability was low. Ford made less and less coupes and sedans with each passing year because their pavement princess trucks were what was bringing in the money (if Americans wanted vehicles that were cheap to drive and to own, would the F-150, a brick-shaped 25-MPG 5000lb SLAB, be the best-selling vehicle in America for 40 years straight?). Dodge makes, what, 4 cars? And ALL of them are expensive high-performance models.

If the market had literally any demand for cheap cars whatsoever, none of these automakers would have scrapped them all while other people continue to make and attempt to sell them in the US.

>>28696945
>light truck exemption, which prompted every manufacturer to start pushing crossovers and SUVs
dumb nigger

>>28696886
No one was posting that newfag friendly "NTA" bullshit back in my day (2006), sonny. Get the fuck off my lawn.

>>28697044
Ooh, baseless elitism by fragile person, my favorite.

>>28697044
lol you're not fooling anyone mr walkable city r*ddit boy.

>>28696816
>Freedom to do what?
>Freedom to go where?
It was rural umatilla county anon, there were hundreds and hundreds of miles of backroads with very little traffic through rolling hills, orchards, and wheat fields.

driving out there was absolute bliss.

>>28697003
>This is why manufacturers are all-in on selling more Silverados, more F-150s, more RAMs. They can price them higher and get way more profit per car.
This is also a consequence of financialization. Where more money is made off financing than the actual manufacturing and selling of the vehicle itself. You can't really answer the question of why cars suck nowadays without understanding who this economy is actually designed to benefit.

>>28697357
Yes, this is a big part of it as well, and something that I would argue is at least indirectly caused by Quality Valley. In fact, MOST of the "subscriptionization" of cars, I would say, is caused by Quality Valley. It's their way of attempting to deal with the problem.

Financialization and overall subscriptionization is to cars what DRM was to videogames. The second that smart kids in the era of GameStop realized that every game in the world winds up cheaper used even if there is no functional loss in quality from someone else opening the box, they started to buy used games. Every used game sold is a sale that the game publishers don't get. The way around this was ensuring that people can no longer trade games and that every game sold is instead a new sale. Manufacturers can't sell cars in Quality Valley and lose those sales to the Used market, so they instead use Subscriptionization (pay for OnStar, pay for SiriusXM, pay for heated seats, pay for the full power of your car, pay for FSD / Autopilot, pay for remote start, etc) to make sure that even if they miss out on the profit from the sale of a used car, the driver of that used car still becomes a potential customer for other features (this is going to get worse as manufacturers start putting ads in cars too). Similarly, Financialization pushes the few people who might be economically FORCED into Quality Valley out of it and into more expensive cars with higher margins that can always be repossessed if necessary and resold.

Nobody wants to make and sell a car that might fall into Quality Valley or even the left side of the graph because there's very low chances that you'll make back the R&D, manufacturing, and marketing costs for such a low-margin, low-demand vehicle. It's all about making money off of the far more likely used vehicle sales that part of the graph covers and / or pushing people onto the right side where margins are higher with or without (but especially with) financing.

>>28697372
And hey, if new cars by and large fail after 80k miles, there won’t even be a used car market.
Checkmate freeloaders.
>you vill buy new, or you vill ride ze bus with the dieversity we recklessly, and relentlessly import

>>28696213
No, walkable city doesn't have to mean no cars. You can add walkability to a city, by improving public transport, increasing density and cutting down on car-only places. NYC is very walkable despite being dominated by cars for decades, and getting most cars out of Manhattan didn't really change much for your average pedestrian- he can get from anywhere to anywhere all the same. You should want more New York, and less suburbia.

>>28697044
I only do it so angry retards realize when they're talking to more than one person

>>28697054
More peanut gallery inane bleating
>>28697205
Kek I've never advocated for walkable cities and no one needs to hear about your bull
>>28697527
It's reddit netiquette-tier faggotry.

>>28697572
this, so much this (please updoot kind sir)

>>28697597
NTA but ATA AMAA

>>28697572
i like how when people call you out for being a r*dditor.you awkwardly stop r*ddit spacing and start accusing them of being r*dditors. very convincing.

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>>28697611
Reddit spacing doesn't exist, newfag-coon.

This one's broken, someone bring me another shitter to shatter.

Bunch of easy money in the 2010's era cars like 86, G35/37, mustang/challenger/camaro. Everyone desperatly trying to get older meme cars are missing out on the cars that are slowly being bought up and wrecked

>>28697836
can confirm. got a 2010 mustang GT last month. imo the early 2010's were the peak of modernish cars.
>enough QOL features to not feel horribly outdated
>still fixable by local/non dealer mechanics
>parts are readily available
but before the obama/biden nonsense really neutered car makers.

a domestic with a NA v8, and manual transmission from that era should last pretty much forever with routine maintenance. =/

>>28695968
I never thought that, basically any car that's somewhat interesting is an appreciating asset now. We don't live in the same paradigm as previous decades

>>28695984
>Wondered why the Golf GTI doesn't have a manual option anymore?
The answer is gooks don't buy manuals.
>So why is the GLI still available as a manual?
Because GLI is solely Americas market and therefore has a 70% manual transmission take rate.

>>28697836
I think it depends on the meme car. I think 90's shit will be a flash in the pan for sure but maybe the older 80's stuff and definitely anything made between '63-'75 will hold strong for a long time.

>>28696759
I know what those talking points are. Cars suck to pay for and own. I've gone without a car and found it fine, but it put a serious damper on any hobbies that were bulky or heavy.

My ideal combo is a minivan and a city car. The big car covers the heavy stuff and the city car is if I want to have a street legal go kart.

>>28695984
>car manufacturer tries to build a classic-style car
>emissions, safety regs turn it into a bloated bar of soap
every single time