Looking into LEDs for my offroad farm truck, and these GTR ultra 2/3s, Morimotos (same company), and Diode Dynamics are like $250 for a twin pack.At least the GTRs are brighter than stock, but DDs are the same lux as stock so I dont get the upsell.
>>28699588Sounds like you're just retarded
>>28699588You don't need super high end bubs for a farm truck. I just paid like $50 for a set of 4 LED headlight bulbs. Their brightness and light quality is pretty good but it's too early to tell what their longevity will be like. even if they only last a year it's still almost more economical than the expensive bulbs.
>>28699592He is retarded, because putting an LED bulb into a housing that wasn't designed for it is just going to result in him not being able to see fuck-all because the beam pattern is fucked.
>>28699601>it is just going to result in other people not being able to see fuck-all because the beam pattern is fucked.FTFY. not my problem lol
>>28699588interesting. I put diode dynamics in my buddys car and they look the same as stock. got em on sale but it was a complete waste of two hundred quid.
>>28699588>Diode Dynamics are like $250 for a twin pack.lmao I bought some amazon chink LED bulbs for $20. They work better than my HIDs.
>>28699601>not being able to see fuck-all because the beam pattern is fucked.this isn't a problem if you have projectors
>>28699588morimoto 2 strokes are good, nice and bright
>>28699650No, it results in poorer lighting for the driver too. Headlights are more like spotlights than flood lights because you need to see out in the distance and what you get with the light kernel being in the wrong location is a floodlight which is terrible for driving.
>>28700066Are you fucking braindead? Current generation LEDs essentially replicate the filament shape of a halogen. They work perfectly in projector or reflector housings. The only think you need to do is sometimes adjust the rotation of the emitter array (they come with a nut you can loosen and spin it around) and then of course adjust the vertical and horizontal orientation of the assembly using the vehicle's adjustment screws.
>>28700098>Current generation LEDs essentially replicate the filament shape of a halogenAbsolutely not. Just look at how large the emitter area is in OP's pic. It's just impossible for them to work the same as incandescent despite what your Chinese propaganda would have us believe.
>>28699601This isnt 2001 boomer. We're not jamming random shit from radio shack into our cars anymore.There are replacement LEDs designed for reflector housings.
>>28700137You are a fucking retard.
>>28700142>You are a fucking retard.keep on projecting you retarded bus rider
>>28700142And since reading clearly isnt a strong skill of yours, let me dumb down that infographic even further so that you can comprehend it too. None of these products, from anyone, output a beam pattern even roughly comparable to a halogen bulb and are all banned as a result
>>28700168Thats not what it says, retard
>>28700137>t. 0 IQ boomernta, but LED arrays are so thin they replicate the shape of halogen filaments now, like 1.5mm wide
>>28700168>because no tithe was paid to boomer NHTSA, therefore product badhey, calcified neurons boomer, the CDC and FDA said mRNA shots are safe and effective. regulators are always correct! DDT and leaded gas and asbestos pads are also safe!
>>28699598>You don't need super high end bubs for a farm truck.Pretty much. I got tired of swapping headlight bulbs or starting up my car to find one burned out instantly after switching them on.I think the Chinesium pair I got on Amazon was $30. It's definitely less bright than a conventional halogen, but the perceived brightness is much higher. Since I'm not replacing a bulb every year, I consider that a win. It's already paid for itself by this point.
>>28700195May we see them?
>>28700168>None of these products, from anyone, output a beam pattern even roughly comparable to a halogen bulb and are all banned as a resultlol my shitty LED bulbs are brighter than my HIDsThere are multiple youtube tests that show even shitty LED bulbs can have good output
>>28700284morimotos are 1.45mm thick. filament is 1.4mm thick. oh the horror it's off by 5 hundredths of a mmfaggot
>>28700297again you retard, the argument has nothing to do with output. its that your poorfag reflectors/projectors in your 20 year old economybox arent compatible with the beam pattern. my nonpoorfag car came with factory LEDs, and they cost $1300+ per side to replace. but keep on larping that your 1990s era police interceptor with LEDs is in any way comparable.>>28700614how retarded are you that you think halogen bulb fillament is measured in millimeters and not thousands of an inch. i swear to god this board is full of the poorest of the poors
>>28700846>the argument has nothing to do with output.Yes it does. The point is putting LEDs into halogen headlights gives better lighting than the halogens do. Which is true. You're just an asshurt faggot.
For a work vehigle leds are gret, i put some in the atv and its great, very wide and even beamsFor on road use tho? Forget it, standard is standard for a reason. Perhaps in aux lighting but no way in standard reflectors
I only buy Auxito and Sealite. They've treated me well.
I really want to get a pair of these things for my halogen cucked 2019 car but I'm CERTAIN whichever one I choose will cause some catastrophic electrical system failure in my car.
>>28699601The point of having the diodes placed where they are in OPs pic is to mimic the filament of a traditional bulb.
>>28701321They won't cause any catastrophic failures but running aftermarket bulbs in a canbus cucked vehicle can cause lots of little issues like error messages, bleeding lights, flickering, hyperflashing, etc.
OP why would you not just get a roof mounted light bar if this is indeed a "farm truck", that way you dont need to fuckabout with anything and can still run the truck on the road if need be.>bulbs always be burnin outIf that is because of what I think it's from you'll be disappointed with LEDs unless you manage to effectively actively cool them.Headlight housings get hot with standard/halogen bulbs when there's no airflow. Can go up 100 degrees waiting 2 minutes for a train.LEDs dont produce as much heat, but they are very small chips (diodes but bear with me) and being chips are sensitive to their own heat.You'll find some cheapass XINGFONGWU XTUDHDDKK brand amazon specials really wont like sitting in a parked truck blazing away, and that the high tier brands expensive units are worth the price.
>>28701366>LEDs dont produce as much heat, but they are very small chips (diodes but bear with me) and being chips are sensitive to their own heat.Some of those expensive LED headlight assemblies in new cars have quite a bit of cooling built into them. Even little computer fans, presumably industrial-spec ones that can handle adverse conditions. LEDs hate heat.A single bulb with poor heatsinking, a reflector around it to trap heat and the power electronics crammed in there somewhere too, is just about the worst possible packaging for an LED lamp.
Sealite and other low price LED, reflector housing compat bulbs are known to die in a year or less.Also the most sold LED replacement bulbs are pure fucking junk.Reviews are worthless, ratings dont mean anything. If it says 4.6 on amazon take that as a 60% out of 100 - a D grade when you want B+ minimum.The only real choices for a quality LED are too bright for legal road use, too high K color to be legal, or the only other option being the yellow Mishimoto 2stroke.There's a reason even those high price name brands tell you they arent road legal.Dont put LEDs in a halogen/reflector headlight.Just don't do it.And THEN, when you dig into the info about high output halogens, you're paying an extreme premium for a bulb that will only last 1-1.5 years.It just isn't worth it.
>>28699588alibaba solves this
Holy shit.>fuddlore, the thread.
>>28700139And that's exactly why they cost so much. To function with reflector housings correctly, you need LEDs to be small and on a very thin substrate to simulate the point light that halogens have, and small and thin, even at LED power consumption levels, means nuclear levels of heat that has to be dissipated quickly. A lot of cars also have detection for burnt out bulbs, except LEDs trigger them too because they are so efficient.
>>28700846>its that your poorfag reflectors/projectors in your 20 year old economybox arent compatible with the beam pattern.projectors are, retardas I said this is literally proven with light output and throw scales
>>28701712Welcome to 2025 gramps.
>>28701712>you need LEDs to be small and on a very thin substrate to simulate the point light that halogens have, and small and thin, even at LED power consumption levels, means nuclear levels of heatlol all this to describe merely rotating an led to it catches the reflector on pointnuclear levels of heat? you ever hear of HIDs?you people don't know what you're talking about lol
>>28701760Holy fuck you're dumb>>28701754>cheapshit chinaspam amazon specialsGood luck with that.
>>28700846> its that your poorfag reflectors/projectors in your 20 year old economybox arent compatible with the beam pattern.They are at least for the EU and the EU loves to regulate even the slightest fart.
>>28701927To the extent of the reading I've done on it, there was ONE maker who went through the trouble of road-certing LED replacements in reflector housings, and it was only for a limited set of makes and models, and only in a limited set of eastern euro countries.And they gave up on it after a couple years.
>>28699588If you're dumb enough to put LEDs in halogen housings then you deserve to pay that much.
>>28701916>Holy fuck you're dumbI've literally tested them with calibration, dumbfuckwhat have you done other than making it clear you dont understand what you're talking about?
>>28701941You can buy them from Philips or Osram and they have ones compliant with a giant list of cars for the entirety of europe. German version of Osram's compatibility list is 75 fucking pages long. Contains cars, bikes and trucks. Philips is a bit shorter, just 48 pages. No direct match, my car only gets the Osram one legally.
>>28701995Bro you people are a fucking joke.
>>28702001https://www.osram.de/am/night-breaker-led/night-breaker-led-ledcheck.jsp?mkt=/ledcheck/go ahead, check it out for yourselfEven the germans get to have legal options.
>>28702095Dumb.Ass.
>>28702213so check if your car is in the list and if yes it's legal to usenot that hardcomes in H4 and H7There's even a fully ECE-compliant H11If your car is H9 or HB4 you're shit out of luck though
>>28701712>nuclear levels of heatfucking kill yourself you subhuman baboon pavment apehalogens get up to around 700 C. LEDs are under 100 C. the substrate can approach 120 C, which is where the silicon can have issues, hence the cooling, but it's not anywhere near lava temps of the lights you already have in your vehicle.god I fucking hate boomers like you who don't understand anything about technology. you can grab an LED housing and it will be cool on the back plastic, just the chip/board itself will be a bit hot for a minute. but glhf grabbing a halogen, you're sear your fucking fingers.
>>28701981leds are perfect drop-in replacements if you buy legit, high quality ones and not some BLUXXIYZ amazon chink alphabet soup brand.>inb4 they come from the same factory
>>28702095You see the ECE R37 and the x on it. And the roadway and the x on it.No LED bulb is certification passed for legal use, anywhere, in a vehicle which does not by factory design come with LEDs.>buy at your own riskIs what every manufacturer says on every LED bulb.The Americans have to say>for off road use only
>>28702746lick those boots, cuck
>>28702303the chad halogen bulb withstanding 700°C vs the virgin led with its foundation succumbing to 120°c
>>28701916>cheapshit chinaspamWalk around your house and post pics of "made in" labels.I fucking dare you.
>>28702746You're gonna have to buy from one of the manufacturers who got them certified of course, and for a car that they're homologated for. Just like rims or other tuning parts in europe.You might be getting cucked by your countries politicians too. Even harder so than the germans by TÜV it would seem.Alas, the statement that there's only a handful of homologations for eastern european countries that's no longer extending has been disproven.The H11 LED for retrofit is even fully ECE compliant for every single headlight that will take H11-bulbs. The H4 and H7 are approved for retrofit in hundreds of cars.
>>28702746>No LED bulb is certification passed for legal useGULP MY LIGHT BULB ISNT LEGAL it looks legal, throws light within the legal limit and literally no one will ever know
I want to curbstomp every single LED retrofit user in existence
>>28703151make tint legal
>>28703237tinted windows are brown coded and I hate brownoids
