Why didn't these fucking dumbasses just use sprinter vans instead of wasting tens of millions of dollars designing some special shit mobile? This fucking country I swear.

>>28735953
That I cannot tell you but it's also not my country and thus not my tax money and thus not my problem jej

>>28735953
For the same reason American police don’t just use bmws. Euro shit doesn’t take abuse well, and these vehicles have to drive into the ghetto. They’ll save money in the long run making a car purpose built for the job

>>28735953
Because spending tens of millions is the point. It gives the wartime manufacturers a reason to keep employees trained and on payroll between military demand surges.

>they're scrapping llvs, never getting auctioned
>you cannot build a bagged llv frame with s10 parts catalog and throw a 1930s truck cab on for cheap in 2025 because some glownigger thinks they're unsafe for the general public to own

>>28735950
I see you just watched Cammisa's Revelations video on the LLV

>>28735974
Ford Transit, same shit as a sprinter.
>Euro shit doesn’t take abuse well, and these vehicles have to drive into the ghetto. They’ll save money in the long run making a car purpose built for the job
Bench racer tier idiocy

You don't get it, they are literally scraping away our history as we speak.

>>28736000
They don’t. Transits and sprinters don’t last as long as chevy expresses and ecolines. Go ask anyone who runs fleets.

>>28735950
I actually like how stupid it works. It's offensively utilitarian

>>28736028
>chevy expresses and ecolines
okay, so use those then

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>>28736057
They did, and designing a tool for the specific task of delivering mail saved them more money in the long run. The original LLV was brilliant for that very reason. The new one carries the torch, but addresses all the flaws the original had.

If the government handled its problems like it does mail service, the whole country would save billions in tax dollars over time. Instead of using bandaid solutions, actually address the problem head on.

>>28736066
The original LLV was a fucking piece of shit and a nightmare to maintain. Absolute dogshit money sink in comparison to simply using freely available commercial fleet.

>>28736084
Not while they were being produced. Do you actually think it’s cheaper to use a mix of random shitboxes and deal with all kinds of part suppliers (and be competing for the same parts as anyone else who uses that vehicle) than having one vehicle for the entire service and only have to train mechanics to work on one vehicle with a part supply chain that only you, the usps, use?

They already tried your idea. It didn’t work.

>>28735953
Military industrial complex.
In sane countries they just use normal vans.

>>28735950
New thing is bad, seethe faggot

>>28736066
Chat gpt ahh reply

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>>28735974
>Euro shit doesn’t take abuse well,
It really depends anon, you can say the same for amerishit if you picks and chose. Are police soccermom explorers good?
>>28735950
Clearly the solution is expressvan. Its in spirt of jeep dj and llv. It's the current meta, there are gorillions of them. Parts are everywhere. They can take bigger volume than an llv so we can continue subsidizing temu and amazon.
However average mail carrier these days is a 4'8" middle aged obese Guatemalan woman. They had to design a vehicle they can see out off.

>>28736104
No, I think it's cheaper to use a fleet of good Ford Transits. Like every other fucking courier service in the US.
This is straight up bloat man. Zero need for it, grumman doesn't know shit, transit fleet mechanics are dime a dozen, the parts are a dime a dozen, they are consumer grade and thus cheap and available. This is so dumb like for real we gon find you belie dat home boy.

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>>28735950
>your new thing bad is showing
But they look like thing, Japan tho? Proportions are like a fat, modern Daihatsu Mira.
>>28735953
>>28735974
The USPS where I live is switching to the smaller Mercedes Metris vans and I still see LLVs every now and then. I doubt they're going to switch to that NGDV van since they literally just switched to the Mercedes vans in the last few months.
It's somewhat funny since they keep the Mercedes badging off of them, as if NPCs would be pissed at the USPS thinking they're wasting money for buying Mercedes vans when they're built in the US and far cheaper to just buy than developing a purpose-built vehicle from scratch for the same purpose.

>>28736217
>it really depends
On what, the longer distances that European police don’t have to drive?
The car chases that Rarely happen?
The far fewer response calls so many of them don’t even have to leave their post?

What are the things European fleets supposed to be good at?
>are police soccer mom explorers good
Compared to euro shit, yes. Imagine beating up on a bmw lol. Europeans already complain that we don’t keep up with maintenance enough and that is why their cats fail prematurely here. Imagine abusing them the way American police do.

>>28736296
Not to mention most European roads are like suburban American roads. Most American roads are like rural Vietnam.

>>28735950
That's what peak performance looks like.

To convince people it's a good car, you don't actually argue with them, as the kind of people that shit on this are brainwashed from talk radio and whatever Ben Shapiro tells them. Just explain its patriotism military contractor thank you for your service do you hate America...??? and that's enough to have them defend it. They don't care about the logistics and lifecycle management or overall costs, they're fucking morons.

>>28735953
I don't know why America does it's mail so weird. They would save a lot of money by delivering mail on foot and using community mailboxes. Neither requires a special vehicle. I guess it's like designing a space pen instead of just using a pencil. Such is the American way.

>>28736309
t. bumpkin

but yeah as someone who lives on a bumpkin road u aint lyin.
honestly these shithole gook and brownoid countries probably have better roads than even us, yes they pay for it with our money but that's another digression

>>28736366
How do community mailboxes work when your neighbor can be half a mile away?

>>28736296
In Australia the police have BMWs and postal workers mostly drive Mercedes vans.

>>28736084
They use the iron duke inline 4, based as hell

>>28736379
The worker drops off all the mail for the 5 mile area or whatever. You stop at your mailbox on the way back to your house or in a more rural setting you drive your side by side to the mailbox.

>>28736380
>in a country where you lose your car for speeding with less than a 10th the population to deliver mail to and clean roads the police can drive luxury cars knowing Australia’s car culture is too dead to ever have to chase anything
Ebony

>>28736379
I live at the end of a dead end my mailbox is a quarter mile away in a bank of mailboxes at the intersection with the bigger street with everyone else's. My neighbors are not close we get our stuff on the way in or out or i walk down and get it. Everybody around here is like this it works fine

>>28735950
Apparently the Mail Bros love those new builds

>>28735953
EuroPoor detected.
You fags like vans so much you fuck the exhaust pipes.

>>28736296
>On what
On what car you pick out dipshit. The only cars that fit your description are trucks. Regardless of the continent they were made on. Because we are subject to the same gayification as Euros.

>>28736487
I've had it described to my like a pair of crocs. Ugly, but very comfortable

>>28736487
They ride really nice. I've driven a couple of them now as I've had to replace a few of the windshields. Visibility is really good.

It's a really strange sensation as they feel a lot bigger than they are as you sit relatively low.

I don't know why they chose to put the camera low. I've had to do two replacements for rock chips that could've been repaired had they not interfered with the lense area.
>Random small chunk of sheet metal dead center of the roof line has a tendency to try and catch fiber tools
>Top wiring harness is sometimes installed in a such a way connectors get caught by fiber tools
>2 piece headliner tries to catch fiber tools
It's to awkward & tight to cold knife the top and where the mirrors are attached.

Also I'm not sure if the manufacturer is hand installing these themselves or if they have some crazy quality control problems at the factory. I've seen some crazy factory beads and these are pretty wild.

I worked as a rural carrier assistant for 18 months.
Most of the time it sucked ass but on slow days in the summer farting around in the LLV, smoking cigarettes and listening to podcasts was pure heaven.
They're very fun to drive and feel weightless on the road.

>>28735950
The one on the right is cute

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>>28736064

>>28735953
>Why didn't these fucking dumbasses just use sprinter vans instead of wasting tens of millions of dollars designing some special shit mobile?
Their transmissions would explode under the demands of mail trucks. These things go 0-15 mph from mailbox to mailbox and kill fleet vehicles regularly.

You basically need an understressed engine with a transmission with thick gears and tons of ATF in the sump. The Sprinter (and Metris) does not meet those needs.

>>28736217
>Clearly the solution is expressvan.
Doesn't meet the easy ingress/egress requirement for mail carriers.

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>>28736028
I have seen transits rammed up kerbs and redlined everywhere without ever having an oil change. Transits get trested like utter shit and never seem to die.

>>28735950
It's cute as fuck. I bet driving it is like working at a theme park.

>>28735950
Why wouldn't it just be like a standard E series van or cabover? That would be better for city drivers. This is just a poorly designed, UGLY joke.

>>28735950

I like it honestly. The visibility is great, it seems super practical.

>>28735950
I never understood this. who gives a fuck if a mail truck is ugly?
I want my purpose built work vehicles to be designed solely to do the job they're build for the best they can.

>>28735974
Merc diesels are objectively good you massive retard

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>>28735953
the USPS does use cargo vans, it's just for bulky packages that don't fit well in the LLV. They use dodge and mercedes.
They would get fucking demolished in short order on a normal mail route, its why they're only used for non-door to door delivery.

>>28736813
Not for the things the post office needs out of a vehicle they're not.

>>28735950
omg is this real and to scale? that replacement is fucking huge, it will have impossible time in dense places with no turning radius space...

>>28735974
>Euro shit doesn’t take abuse well
https://youtu.be/6prtCtxk1ho?si=EXUHrxoPGNJIC_Kb
Show me a muttbox that can compare

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>>28736417
Cope mutt.

>>28736872
Cope with what? Your country not having an auto industry so you have to buy shittier products because you can’t build your own?

Oof.

>>28736842
Show me a car with plates actually being used. Any redneck can drive a junked car around the junk yard.

>>28736735
therussianbadger has really let himself go, fuck

>>28736390
>>28736444
That sounds awful to me, when I can just walk to the end of my driveway and get my mail out of the mailbox. And if there's a larger package the postman drives up the driveway and leaves it on the front porch

>>28736217
Average person can't stand upright in the back of one of these, which was a requirement for the contract. Believe they also need access to the rear from the drivers compartment.

>>28736272
>The USPS where I live is switching to the smaller Mercedes Metris vans and I still see LLVs every now and then. I doubt they're going to switch to that NGDV van since they literally just switched to the Mercedes vans in the last few months.
Pretty sure they started buying these as a stopgap because the NGDV was taking too long.

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>>28736366
>They would save a lot of money by delivering mail on foot and using community mailboxes.
We do. But our constitution requires a postal service that can deliver to even the most remote addresses to allow for mail in voting.

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>>28736801
They're not for city drivers. Most USPS routes look like this.

I yelled at my mailman for scuffing up the curb with his tires. Now all my mail comes folded and bent.

>>28735953
Nobody gave you the real reason which is that the postal service is ergonomic maxxing
The van is designed to be comfortably operated by the very tall and the very short, which is why it’s shape is so odd
Avoiding repetitive strain injuries is the money saver
So it’s both easy for a midget to step into the vehicle and see out of it, and a really tall person can still be totally upright in the back

>>28735953
it doesn't """create""" enough jobs.

you pay an US auto manufacturer to make 200k mail trucks or whatever and it's not that hard because they make millions of vehicles a year across the world. they leverage an existing platform, like a heavy duty van, and maybe tweak a few things like the interior standing height of the vehicle and building in a mail storage rack. it's a done deal.

or you (a US congressman) can pay oshkosh (because they bribed you with drugs, money, and child sex slaves) to build the same product. of course oshkosh has no experience with this sort of thing, because most of their products are low production volume 30 ton armored ZOGmobiles. instead they have to create a massive number of jobs designing the vehicle from scratch, subject it to testing and redesign and safety certification, learn how to build (and then actually build) factories capable of pumping out 200k mail vehicles, set up service centers that can fix these pieces of shit when they inevitably break, etc.

>>28736935
Our constitution does not require mail in voting lmao
The constitution gives the feds the power to establish post offices
We used to take seriously that it’s an enumerated powers document

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RETVRN

>>28736959
The postal service exists so the government had a reliable way to collect taxes and conduct elections in an era when it took weeks or months to travel between even just the few states in the union at the time.

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>>28735950
Why didn't they just slope the entire front of the truck like a / ?Isn't that way more aero than both of those designs and it still keeps the glass in a straight line so no fuckery.

>>28736747
>These things go 0-15 mph from mailbox to mailbox and kill fleet vehicles regularly.

THE perfect job for a small EV truck
>doesnt need to go far
>stops often

>>28737020
You'll never guess what they're replacing them with...

>>28736366
>They would save a lot of money by delivering mail on foot and using community mailboxes.
Yeah welcome to nearly every city and apartment complex in America brother. How dumb are you?Mail trucks are for suburbs and country side.

>>28735953
Because these are designed with a 25 year life and 25 years worth of replacement parts.
Sprinter vans don't do that.

>>28737063
>these are designed with a 25 year life
lol
>and 25 years worth of replacement parts.
lmao

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>>28736847
why didnt they just make them less hideous? wouldn't have cost any more to produce to have aesthetically pleasing proportions

>>28735950
>2.0 Ford ecoboost
arent the ecoboosts trash?

>>28736945
>I yelled at my mailman
Retard

>>28736935
T. Has never read the constitution
You sound like a 70 iq nigger that yells at the police that you know your rights and they can't do anything to you because it's in duh cawntsooshin

>>28736972
It wasnt even until a century after the ratification of the constitution that it was clear that the postal service could actually build post offices. at the founding this clause was construed narrowly and for reasons other than what you speculate - it was actually to facilitate interstate commerce in conjunction with the commerce clause.

>>28737093
look where the driver sits and consider the angle, its the result of a visibility requirement

>>28737237
>look where the driver sits and consider the angle, its the result of a visibility requirement
if they're going to do retarded bullshit like that, at least make it a cabover with a doghouse for engine access and remove that stupid looking snout

>>28735950
They're super ugly. Do they deliver mail?

>>28737093
They should have put the engine in the rear like a Ferrari.

>>28737249
No, your packages are all stuck at a sorting center in Phoenix

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>>28735950
>drive without the sun behind or directly overhead
>blinded

>>28737245
Then you have to climb up, which they were also avoiding

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>>28735950
Wait, they actually built the car from Sunny With a Chance of Meatballs?

>>28736908
>moving the goalposts already
I accept your defeat

>>28737385
>euroshit Isn’t durable so it isn’t good for America fleets
>*post European cars in their natural habitat, the junk yard*
>HA that’ll show those Americans our cars are durable
Lol

>he's crashing out now
2nd stage of grief

>>28737405
>crashing out
Is that what European police call their chases cause they know the car will be written off?

>>28736309
>Most American roads are like rural Vietnam.
Now you're just being silly.
>>28736680
I can see how in dense leafy suburbs that general shape would work nicely, since it's like a mini-mailroom on wheels the driver can stand up in and easily step up & down from, never mind the very good visibility close to the ground where kids and pets are likely to be around. Of course the design isn't suited to rural areas like the one I live in now, where 70mph is the average in 55 zones even when crosswinds average 30, gusting to 60.. Naturally that shit would tip over on the interstate drive I took today, but, in, say, Munster IN or Oak Lawn IL it's convenient.

>>28735953
Needs to be low so they can see the ground as they drive by shit when rolling up to a mailbox.

>>28737093
because what you drew there is fucking dogshit retardation that didn't fit into their design criteria. the taller windshield allows better visibility for people ranging from midgets to giants.

>>28737362
> Sunny With a Chance of Meatballs
anon...

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>>28736847
>>28735950
>>28736969
Everyone remembers the LLV and the DJ-5 but nobody remembers the Ford FFV

>>28737013
Harder to service the engine that way with a reduced hood.

>>28735950
These things are based. All vehicles should greenhousemax

>>28737093
Soft hands typed this

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>>28737790

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>>28736969
soul

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>vehicle designed specifically for utility, practicality, and ergonomics
>/o/ throws facebook boomer tier shit fit about its appearance

I want to buy one of the old ones cut roof off, put two small benches in back and a roof rack,drive from a beach house on beach to shore then go surf.

Trust this idea is kick ass, even if in my own mind.

>>28735953
sprinter vans are general purpose, unoptimized. these are optimized specifically for mail duty.

>>28737090
They haven't built a new LLV since 1994.
The USPS knows how to run a vehicle into the ground.

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for me? you can't beat the Royal Mail aesthetic

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it's just iconic

>>28738402
fyi, that is a 2 way road here in the UK, with a 60mph speed limit.

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for me, it's the DJ (haven't seen one in 20 years)

>>28736366
because we can afford to do door to door delivery. it's a first world luxury, you wouldn't understand.

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>>28738059
>Looking fashionable is more important than practicality
>No you're reddit shut up

How much do the windshields on the new ones cost?

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>>28738824
>>Looking fashionable is more important than practicality
Yes, it absolutely is you classless dipshit.

>>28738844
Words of an effeminate drama club kid.
You've never made a single thing of value to anyone in your life, and the thought makes you seethe

>>28739214
>t. fat ugly low class retard throwing insults

>>28739345
Is this the so called class?

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>>28738449
Very cool. Sad to see what happend to JEEP which was such an iconic American brand. The fall of AMC and Jeep was unfortunate

>>28738840
Not a problem for Amazon fleets being driven by bottom of the barrel garbage.
I am one of those bottom of barrel garbage drivers.

>>28740043
Wat? Are you implying that the windshields will never break or if they do break they will not be replaced? Because that giant curved piece of glass surely can't be cheap...

>>28740053
I didn't imply either of those statements.
The cost difference of new windshields on rams and evs is not as significant as you think and the benefit of the larger screen in the differently designed evs is the improved visibility.

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>>28740053
You can make glass incredible strong. They are likely industrial grade and can take far more damage without any issues. Oshkosh makes military vehicle's after all.

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>based on the Ford Transit
If you've ever worked on one of those you know the hell that is coming

>>28740954
>You can make glass incredible strong.
So they putting bullet proof glass on these new mail vehicles? I mean it is practically an apples and apples comparison to that Oshkosk truck with the super easy to source flat plane windshield...

>>28741407
You're a retard

>>28735950
Who gives a dick how mail trucks look? If this new truck keeps them from losing my checks I'll take whatever slop they come up with

>>28741793
The real retards are the people who designed this atrocity with 90% of the front surface area of it being a giant curved piece of glass...

>>28741850
>If this new truck keeps them from losing my checks I'll take whatever slop they come up with
Do you honestly think this will help them perform their jobs any better? I'm betting they will start phasing out the old mail trucks. Everyone will be excited for a bit until they find out what huge overpriced pieces of shit the new ones are, and then everyone will agree they should have kept the old ones and that these are a huge waste of taxpayer money, harder and more expensive to service, and broke down constantly.

>>28742266
The program had strict visibility requirements

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>>28741850
That's a nigger problem, not a truck problem.

>>28742271
The llv is a massive pile of shit that literally every mailman hates, you look really fucking dumb defending them. No ac, shit heater, uncomfortable interior, breaks down constantly, slow, bad gas mileage, bad visibility, there's basically nothing good you can say about them from an objective standpoint.

>>28735950
Function over form. It's beautiful if it works and doesn't breakdown.

>>28742294
>The llv is a massive pile of shit that literally every mailman hates, you look really fucking dumb defending them. No ac, shit heater, uncomfortable interior, breaks down constantly, slow, bad gas mileage, bad visibility, there's basically nothing good you can say about them from an objective standpoint.

You think the new one won't be a more expensive massive piece of shit? Whew lad!

>>28735953

so no one can buy a sprinter van, put USPS shit on it and steal mail.

>>28742698
I'm sure they'll be really nice for a couple years at least. At least compared to an LLV

>>28735950
The LLV is at least 300% less ugly though.

>>28737906
Hooning FFVs on snow-covered rural roads is a blast

>>28735950
Why they couldn't just update the llv with a better drivetrain?

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>>28736366

That works when you live in a place with 1000's of people stacked on top of each other in dense urban infrastructure but explain to me how you are supposed to foot deliver mail in a hellhole like this

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>>28740053
It's only expensive because nobody is making aftermarket glass for it yet.

A fullsize OEM Ford Transit windshield is far cheaper than a Ford Bronco windshield. Iirc OEM transit glass is ~250 shop cost, whereas OEM bronco glass is ~500. You can get aftermarket options for even less.

Size ≠ cost

When we did the replacement we had to wait for a Oshkosk service rep to come in to recalibrate the camera.

It's not some ultra durable glass. I'm surprised dow corning didn't manage to get their GORILLA glass into the vehicle.

>>28735950
I saw one of these in person yesterday
Holy fuck they're HUGE

>>28735953
Cost, ease of repair, and long-life testing. Honestly the old vehicle was bomb as fuck, and the new one is built by Ford, so it's a bomb of another type, a ticking time bomb, to be exact.

>>28745494
>a hellhole like this
>posts the most normal mundane picture

you mentality ill /n/iggers should stay in yor containment

>>28745694
>Honestly the old vehicle was bomb as fuck
Lol
The llv was a metal coffin

>>28736104
>Not while they were being produced.
Yes while they were being produced

>>28745901
https://youtu.be/edPqtHPiMMk?si=DV8RUlH0iB0K0mlD
https://youtu.be/edPqtHPiMMk?si=DV8RUlH0iB0K0mlD
Nope. They were cheaper and better than dealing with miscellaneous shitboxes.

>>28745788
Look, man. You didn't have them when they were new. Everything else was worse, then the vehicles themselves outlived their service life, so sure, it seems like a shit vehicle now, but it did way more than the competition. In three decades, these new vehicles will be seen as shit if they aren't already Ford shitboxes.

>>28736017
You can buy them, anon.
https://www.govdeals.com/en/asset/222/6197
You just can't register them for road use.

>>28735950
>failed to call it the mailcat
OK I guess