914 edition. Discuss Porsche here. VAG loving friends welcome.No BMWs allowed, particular emphasis on modified ones.
>>28742080Choose wisely
>>28741981almost looks like a twingo behind the lead car
>>28742231Finally. A real Porsche
https://youtu.be/UKIta2Aap0c?si=yiSL3fiz4s7GO4gsWhat Porsche we got? How many miles will you put in it? I’m torn. I like mine a lot but it’s not my fav model. This dude is inspiring though. If you had A 930 turbo you’d obviously keep it forever. It’s also annoying that his is faster than mine.
>>28742080>noooo the one on the right is LOWERED!!! You literaly CANNOT drive that car ANYWHERE!!! rEeeeeEEEEEAnd why'd they put the left one on fuckin STILTS like some kind have fuckin MONSTER TRUCK?!
>>28742697I love thisHow come this old as fuck guy can drive his MODIFIED, LOWERED Porsche for 800,000 fuckin miles, but all the ricelet stancelets on here cry whenever a car doesn't have hilariously HUGE beancounter-neutered suspension?
>>28742703>>28742700He’s based and you’re cringe is the reason Pedro
>>28742700>>28742703Like fly to shit.
>>28742942>ebonicsHow come some random old guy has the SKILL to drive a LOWERED car, but all the RSSFBRs on this anonymous Indonesian metal casting forum just say silly things like "now try driving this on the street. you'll be oh so disappointed when your precious Porsche scrapes on every small bump. not like youre old enough to understand"
>>28743012beancounter-neutered suspensions truly are uttershitem8
Why would people mod a $170,000 car?Is it too much to assume when you spend that much they got it right from the factory?
>>28743034Who knows
>>28743034>PORSCHE IS SPECIAL, THEY DO IT RIGHT > I WILL NOW CHANGE EVERYTHING THEY DID BASED ON THIS SMALL TUNING SHOPS RECOMMENDATIONS American culture is so sick it can’t express appreciation for anything that isn’t spending money on it.
>>28743034>>28743123If I spent that much on a car, or any amount really, I should be able to do whatever I wanted with it.
>>28743027Atleast we don't save the same image twice.
>>28743191You can it’s just really hard to believe you made it better
>>28742700>>28742703>911 connoisseurs are beautifully white amazing
>buy Porsche >slowly realize the prior owner did no maintenance on it Bruhs. Why are they like this
>>28743885Because people don't know the difference between being able to afford a car and being able to afford a car
>>28743206Why's that?
>>28743436Porsche connoisseurs MODIFY their 911s!Whoulda thunk it?!
>>28743123And yet Manthey-Racing is a German company
>>28744168Fine by me. Even though I feel like modifying 911s typically makes them worse - handling wise. Unless it’s the Manthey kit. But literal who mods do more harm than good
>>28744164Bc you’re not the manthey racing engineers and neither is your guy.
>>28744210This is true. A top tier aftermarket suspension from the likes of Bilstein etc. improves even M-bimmer, but 911‘s get worse. Just don’t touch a 911 if you want the best possible driving experiencing.
>>28744210Kek Manthey aren't the only people to make good coiloversA lot have people think all that electronic damper control is fake and gayhttps://rennlist.com/forums/992/1419598-ohlins-road-and-track-coilover-in-depth.htmlhttps://rennlist.com/forums/991/1210202-are-kw-v3-coilovers-w-lifting-kit-worthwhile-upgrade.htmlhttps://rennlist.com/forums/718-gts-4-0-gt4-gt4rs-spyder-25th-anniversary/1264494-gt4-pdk-jrz-suspension-n-rburgring-my-review.html
>>28744275So?
>>28744285Delusional
>>28744334>>28744285I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how suspension works. The best suspension is capable of holding the wheel in place and absorbing bumps so the chassis isn’t disturbed. Ideally in a race setting the suspension set to position the wheel in 3D space and control where it’s allowed to move and how much. This is why double wishbones are better than McDonald’s. You have vastly more control over what the wheel is doing and how it is positioned. The softer the suspension the move the chassis can wobble but the more mechanical grip you have. The harder the suspension the more the weight stays equal. The downside is bumps can then transfer into the chassis and it can bounce around and really upset the chassis even hurt the car. A race car has customizable suspension so the engineers can measure the chassis around the track and set it up to be as tight as possible without it being upset by the road’s bumps. The fastest set up typically absorbs the biggest bump on the track but is otherwise as stiff as possible. The auto manufacturers typically have only one set up that is supposed to be one size fits all, on any road. That is until air damper arrived and allowed multiple settings.when you ‘upgrade’ to K3s you’re really just changing the damper for one with a different setting. It’s not better or inherently worse. It would depend on where you are using it. BMW, Audi, Porsche, and Mercedes all tune the sports cars on the same track. Audi does 10k miles there and they had their Le Mans winning race car drivers help tune the RS cars. The Nordschleife is good because it’s got a blend of different pavements and curbs and turns so it turns out people really like cars tuned for it on most other streets.If you buy club sports you are buying the ability to totally customize the set up. But that also means your set up is only as good as the person dialing it in.
>>28744358All the settings on the electronic damper control bullshits are fuckin beancounter-neutered to appease the old guys that actually buy the cars
>>28744358If you can’t look at pic related and understand it and look at telemetry and understand from that what needs to change in pic related I’m not sue you should trust yourself to judge suspension. If your only criteria are ‘suppleness’ why did you buy a sports car? Suspension is suppsed to maximize the contact patch for speed and stability. With this in mind, can you answer, with data, why you think the K3 is better than the stock set up? Because it was tuned by BMW 10k miles of data informing the decisions. Does KW have those kinds of resources? Their clubsport iirc is tuned on the nordschliefe but do they have the resources and time that BMW does to tune an M5? Even if they did why would you choose their coil over over the one that’s easily adjustable with a button in the chassis so you can just switch to autobahn comfort setting when you aren’t on good pavement? That is why I can’t believe that the softer V3 is faster than the stock setup. you basically just put it into ‘comfort’ mode full time and removed the track set up. It’s silly mate. It’s illogical. Porsche and BMW both use the same place to set up the car. Why would you just throw their setups out the window and call it an upgrade? It’s just not by any metric unless you have real data to prove it. Which, is possible, but I’m skeptical. It ‘Feels’ better. Ok. It ‘feels’ more ‘supple’. Ok. Well that guy is a retard who bought a track car and then threw on wife spec suspension. That’s what ‘feels’ better to him. Ok, but why did he spend all the money on a GT3 when he clearly wanted a base model or more likely a Cayenne.
>>28744366>>28744334You mean like that old man who wanted a supple ride in his track car so he replaced the set up with KW3s?
>>28744383The KW V3s aren't softer than stock THOUGH>>28744388No, I mean like the guy who replaced the beancounter-neutered bullshits which were too soft, to appease the old guys that actually buy them, with KW V3s which have more SUPPLENESS and CONTROL
>>28744410Yes they are. Well. They’re maybe as soft as the comfort setting but they certianly don’t have the sport+ setting on a competition. Probably not the sport setting either even if you maxed the stiffness. The KW V1 SP Race is pretty based as it’s on the M2 race. Very nice. Anyway, yours is soft the SP Race is too stiff for bumpy public roads. What you need is a system that’s able to do both and can switch seamlessly. It’s such a great idea it’s probably illegal in racing to keep cost and R&D down for customers. The PASM in a Porsche is so, atleast in Panamera and the Turbos that it reads the road as you drive and adjusts the dampers as you go. How could you possibly think that a one setting coilover is better? The PASM in a Porsche 911 or Panamera even adjusts to each road you are on as you drive. It’s always on the right setting. I can’t even believe some clown would remove it for a one setting soft K3 and call it an upgrade.
>>28744523>I can’t even believe some clown would remove it for a one setting Yeah who would go and do that!!
>>28744539A championship racing team selling tuned aero and suspension kit is not the same as your Mexican mechanic installing a ///pedrotition soft coilover set
>>28744549>A championship racing team selling tuned aero and suspension kitSounds familiar
>>28744558I hope my little talk has helped right your thinking. Please convert back to stock
>>28745008Why would I want to remove the amazing KW V3s and DINAN sway bars and monoballs for old-man-appeasing beancounter neutered bullshit? Not to mention the CP-Carrillo forged rods and pistons, ACL bearings, CarBahn valve springs, PURE turbos, CSF x PURE charge coolers (i don't even have the stock PLASTIC ones anymore), APEXBUILT catless downpipes wrapped in DEI titanium wrap, and soon to be FUNK turbo blankets
>>28744334>literal who larp
>>28745028>DEI titanium wrapIt’s the most DEI spec M5 I’ve seen desu. I hope ice doesn’t deport it
>>28742697Based
Gettin quiet in here
>>28743034Mine isn't 170k but it was about 120k 20 plus years ago. And it's modified.
>>28746333Get some silver/aluminum wheels already godsdamn
>>28746333What car
>>28746036Gee, I wonder why?
>>28746036Don't really wanna post my Porsche since this thread is just filled with haters and poors. Besides, I go on /o/ to laugh at people. When I actually want to talk about my car I post on rennlist. Cute thread though.
>>28746840You drive a base model huh? Get your money up poor son and get out of the poverty spec if you want some respect.Pic related: poorfag Asian grandmother spec.
>>28746872>>28746872I like yachting blue desu.
>>28746872These retards and their weird mental gymnastics. To them you either have a base model or if you actually post your high spec then apperantly it's actually owned by your father. You strange poors with your sour grapes.
>>28746889It’s literally just the ///pedrotition guy with aftermarket soft suspension. He thinks going slower is faster because he doesn’t understand cars
>>28746889Poor son detected. Opinion discarded.
>>28746872That’s an S
>>28745028Lol your shit is stock, slow as fuck and you're a ricer, wrenchlet
>>28747053stock is classy and whiteRace prepped is based and red pilled Frankenstein chip tunes are cringe and untrackable bc they don’t have good suspension or account for cooling and brakes. What kind of fucking retard tunes a car and doesn’t add brake and cooling?
>>28747049That’s a base model making 250 hp, poorson.
>>28746889Word. If you have a non tts or gt3, the clapped bmw owner calls you poor.
>>28744523>>28746929>aftermarket soft suspensionNot to hijack a (seemingly dead) thread, but are the KW V3s that bad? Or are we just shitting on the one anon. They're the only adjustable coils I can find for my not a porsche
>>28747266Well yeah, if you’re driving a base model and especially if you’re driving a decade old base model in Asian granny spec then you are fucking poor.
>>28747276They high quality yea. In terms of what they do for your car from a performance perspective? It would depend where you are coming from? I would suggest they are roughly equal to a 340i in terms of what they are trying to achieve. It’s a middle of the road all around with some tweaking. I don’t really think it’s as aggressive as an M cars ‘comfort’ setting. So if you have a 320i without an M sport package it’s probably a nice improvement for handling while he comfortable. If you have an M3 it’s going to lock you into a softer street set up. I think they have 5 clicks on rebound or so to adjust but your window is pretty much set to be ‘all around’.I’d only recommed Ohlins to people if they are going that way because it has two settings that are already set and you can just flip it to ‘track’ if you are at a track. If you have electronic dampers though…the only benefit of switching is minor weight savings at the cost of convenience
>>28747266BMW people are always the worst amongst the car guy stereotypes, they just can't help it for some weird reason.
>>28747276No, KW isn't bad. Beemernigger is just a retarded ricer.
>>28747053Kek no it isn't nerd>>28747276They're great, these ricelets are just fucking hilarious and think making a car better is rIcE reeeeeEEEEE>>28747332>delusions of an ebonicletThe KW V3s aren't softer than M Competition stock springs/shocks lol. You don't even have a car yet say such hilarious bullshit>>28747266>ebonicsI've literally never called anyone poorI just wonder why they put their "sports" cars on fuckin STILTS like some kind have fuckin MONSTER TRUCKS. It's fucking bizarre to me>>28747424Beemers are motorcycles
>>28746889Kek no, I'm wondering why they MODIFIED their "sports" cars by putting them on fucking STILTS, making them handle worse just to be able to get In-N-Out easierYou strange ricelets with your sour grapes>>28746929Again, KWs aren't softer than stock M Competition shocks/springs lol. You think making a car better actually makes it worse because you don't understand cars
>>28747358Kek actually ricelet stancelet slowfaglet boyracelets get laughed at by us "BMW people"
>best cars>worst threadsit's like pottery
>>28746872>autotragic
>>28747173Kek did you not read the part about the CSF x PURE charge coolers? I have an upgraded oil cooler as well
>>28747173>muh brakesSave it nowDon't say it for my sakeSomeone said it's all rightFaster nowYou know I've got no brakesNo brakes!
>>28747277You’re driving a pre-LCI M5, which is obviously better than the new one so I feel you don’t sincerely believe this.
>>28747667>nooo everyone is me!!!I'm pretty sure I'm the only person on this board with an F10 M5, and mine is the LCI; pre-LCI steering wheels are ugly as fuck and was a dealbreaker when I was looking
>>28747520You love porsches dont you, you cant get enough of these threads. Kind of weird man, just buy one, it's okay, BMWs are a decent starter car.
I love how the majority of this thread is bimmerposting
>>28744383>rear spring rate delta 800lbs/in WhyAlso Toe in 1/16" increments.No my car doesn't track at all.
>>28747880Porsches live rentfree in the bmw seethers. 99% of their identity is feeling superior to other brands just for being more expensive, so it makes sense why Porsche makes them seethe. I'd feel more sorry for them but they're already known by even non-car people that BMW drivers=vile assholes
>>28747886It’s basically made for people who don’t understand suspension AT ALL but want to lower their car. So it’s soft and you can lower the height which is really what they want.
>>28747949a 944, a 911, a Panamera all built to do one thing which is go fast as one can in the given form factor. The BMWs will always be inferior because they’re built to be commuter cars first and then they’re made into M cars second. BMW knows this and tried to get the M NEXT made which was purpose built but the board said no and they made the XM instead. It was probably the right decision because their flag ship sports car is the M4 and an R8 or corvette style car would obviously replace it and hurt its prestige. But there is a problem because the M3 is always tied to the 3 series and that means it’s always going to be tied to the needs of the general compact sedan market first and a sports car second. BMW bought a billion dollars in ZF8s to save money and killed the DCT. Sedans are always competing across the segment for the most leg room and cabin space. They creep bigger and bigger. The current M4 is longer than an E61 M6. It’s absurd. The 2 series is worse because the sub compact segment margins are super tight so they get no budget for light Weight material and it weighs as much as the bigger M4. The F10 was the first victim, it’s heavy as fuck. The F90 weighs less and has all wheel drive and the E60 weighs less and has a V10. Anyway, Porsche is free to do whatever it wants. The 911 isn’t tied to a mass market commuter’s development needs.
>>28747949Don't pluralize, it's all the same spic retard.
>>28747880and I’m the bmw thread everyone is porsche posting kek
It’s official. The 996 is the reddit 911
>>28748844Doesn’t mention:>IMS >RMS>AOS>leaky fuel injectors >bore scoring >wet noodle chassis >open diff >cant turn right without oil starvation >AC condensers clogging >water pump/Thermo >mcdonalds Deserves the hate desu
>>28748484I suppose that technically was english, Khalid.
>>28748870>>wet noodle chassisHow to know chassis rigidity when looking for a car to buy? Is there a metric I should look out for? Or a way to feel the chassis isn't rigid enough when driving?
>>28748991>Find a high speed, high G corner with a bump in it>drive it at high speed>does the car lose grip/ rattle/ change line
>>28748991Well first of all who gives a fuck?
>>28748131HAHAHAHAHA
>>28748484But the porsche posts there are all about the BMW shitters that post in porsche threads. Very different than the weirdos here who try so hard to justify their overpriced commuter cars by trying to talk crap about purpose-built sports cars
>>28749184If the 911 was a purpose built sports car then it wouldn’t be 250 hp with McDonald’s and a V6, poor son.
>>28749016If you drive up a hill at 9/10ths in a 996 you’ll bend the chassis and it’s never going back. It’s not an abstract ideological flaw. >>28749016And as he has said, you’ll bounce and skip under load and the car will be super skiddish. Who cares? It’s a sports car dude, you want to lose traction mid corner? Rigidity makes the car safer, it produces less wear on everything in the car, it has less NVH, and it handles better and safer. This was a problem in the 996 that was addressed very seriously in the 997. They built the cabriolet first for a reason, they needed to make sure the coupe Carrera wouldn’t bend the like the 996. By making the cab first and hitting a high torsional rigidity score it meant the coupe would be even better. It’s a good reason why old cars creak and rattle and look all sad and tired in the interior. Flexing moving chassis and old brittle plastic in the 996 looks like dog shit today unless it’s barely been driven. I just saw a 996 Turbo with 10k miles and it looked great. Meanwhile 997s and 991s and 970s all look modern and new and solid. I’m not trying to be mean. If I had a 996 I wouldn’t buy another 911. But let’s not pretend it’s not the worst 911. There are 1000 things wrong with it. It’s ugly. They had a super strict project manager making sure it was as cheap as possible because they were about to go bankrupt. The engineers that worked on it don’t even defend the flaws with anything other than ‘given the constraints it’s pretty good.’
>>28749194>v6Ah okay, I get it now.
>>28749303Base model cope.
>>28749194everyone knows porsche HP counts double
I think it looks excellent when it’s in the cool metallic colors they did for the 986 like Vesuvio Rainforest Green and Paladio. But they still used bad Materials that didn’t age well. The headlights are all yellowed and foggy warped a little. And 50% of them were polar silver which makes the yellow lights look even more yellow.
My cayenne signaled an alert that there was an issue with my low left beam. Looked at it and it was fine. Next day, condensation filled up the inside assembly unit. Then light went out. Random seatbelt not connected alert now goes off (electronics affected?).Took it to a dealership to see if it's covered under warranty. Wagie in Atlanta that works for SAFE GUARD (Porsche's Warranty provider) told me the claim was denied due to sealant failure. Seems this is a common issue so not sure why it wouldn't be covered under warranty. Replacement is around $9k.Contacted an indie but they don't have a computer to reset the electronics for my vehicle's year.Contacted another indie to see what they can do. Is it worth it rolling the dice and purchasing the assembly unit off of eBay and having an indie install it? I appealed (via email) to SAFE GUARD but will need to escalate because it's total bullshit they aren't honoring the claim.
>>28749964I meant to also mention that the light was working today, but way more condensation inside the unit even though the alert sensor is still pinging.
>>28749964Try another dealer. Happened to a doc's 718 tail light. First dealer denied warranty but the second one fixed it
>>28749964Was a recall on my Panamera. Kind of surprised it’s still a thing and still not covered. If you fix it save the receipts because Porsche will prob end up covering it and reimburse you.
>>28749964There’s a current thread on rennlist about several different ways people are fixing this problem much cheaper than buying a new headlight.
>>28748999>>28749277Thanks for the knowledge, Porsche connoisseur.
>>28749964your 6 figure car everybody!
>>28749964>My cayenneWhen did /o/ go from a boyracer club to a place for trophy wives to complain about their goycart?
>>28749722dumbass
>>28750335Cayennes are NARP but they’re really good daily drivers
>>28750345Xir thinks shem's a comedienne calling it a v6 instead of a flat 6
>>28750708Test drove the v8 cayenne S and I don't see how it's worth 50% more than an X5. Less space too for road trips with the kids. SUV for the wife tho. I only drive the SUV for road trips and it's not very fun to drive
>>28750722It’s not desu. Porsches business model was selling it marked up big time becuase it’s made in Germany and has the badge. Touareg was a great deal when it was available. To me vs the X5:>true center Bosch differential >some off light roading ready >interior is genuinely nice and holds up extremely well even in the old ones>the 2010 on V8s are actually very reliable >aisin trans is super reliable >V6 isn’t recommended >VR6 is very good>Q7 is probably better for most people if you don’t really love the Porsche vibes of the Cayenne. Of course the Cayenne is an Audi and behaves like an Audi but it has 911 buttons and steering feel.X5:>V8 is an absolute nightmare to own >inline 6s are generally very good and enjoyable >has a clutch based awd but is essentially RWD >interior is a mild step down >the transfer cases fail often I mean yeah it’s boring. But it’s actually good for an SUV. The Honda passport is soul sucking boring.I’d get the VR6 because the V8 doesn’t really add much to the experience unlike the Panamera. It’s just not fast and it’s too heavy and high off the ground to be fun if you are going fast. You also want to skip the air ride since it’s a $5k job that WILL happen and it’s already got a nice ride on steel.
>>28750345Gonna cry poor son? Next time buy high trim brown son.
>>28750822I bought the 45e and it's 5600 lbs. The S ehybrid is 300 lbs lighter but it's still so heavy that I doubt I'll notice. The most we're going to do is go skiing so don't care about the off-road stuff. Doubt most cayenne buyers do that anyway.I actually like the pre refresh bmw interior and like it better than Porsche. BMW also has better cameras and interior to me.Theres been a lot of issues with the transfer case on bimmerpost and the hybrid comes with the air suspension so that sucks. The handoff from electric to engine is seamless and the i6 is so smooth. Better than the cayenne v8 for me. It's pretty much the perfect wife car but for some reason I keep looking at Cayennes kek
>>28751317Impressive base model poor son. Couldn’t afford high trim eh? Many such cases.
>>28751317Nice 911 lel. I got a white Q7 for my wife too
