Crazy how every single negative thing said about EVs is a lie>they use more oil to makeyet somehow the world's biggest producer of EVs, is reducing their oil consumption.>they catch fireTurns out gas cars catch fire at a rate several times more>they have little range and make roadtrips terribleThe shortest range Tesla only ads about 10% time to the travel, and it ends up making roadtrips better when you realize driving for 6 hours straight without a break is awful>they cost more money to maintainFake af. No oil changes, belt timing adjustments, spark plug replacements>batteries don't last longCurrently longevity is decades. Several times more than a warranty on a 90s Toyota.>they pollute more with brake dustBrakes last forever thanks to regen braking>they'll destroy the roads with their weightThey barely weigh any different than an equivalent gas car, and fuel tanker trucks destroy the roads far more>they don't work in coldNorway has 95% EV market share. Works fine there.>you spend more time fueling up than you do a gas car!Let me know when you can refill a gas car in 20 seconds like millions do their EVs every day!>the mining of minerals destroys the environment!Every year, 30 times more oil and coal is mined from the earth than battery and solar minerals combined.I have come to accept any EV criticism about its environmental impact, economics, or usability is just Jewish propaganda.
>>28742018EVs are gay and soulless compared to my F-150 therefore are shit.
>>28742018Nah I'm not buying. Makes road trips and driving in cold environments an prohibitive pain in the ass. PHEV is as far as I'd go into EV territory. It has to have the ability to run gas only. Fact of the matter is EVs are dead now that we can have a vehicle which runs on both fuels, essentially having a multifuel engine.
>>28742018EVs have a much higher fire risk. And unlike gasoline cars, you can't put EV fires out quickly.I've talked to firefighters about this.They told me they spray water on them for hours and hours until the EV finally stops combusting.On top of that, EVs aren't really that old yet. At most we're seeing Tesla's around 10 years old. Once these cars start hitting the 20-year mark, we're going to see a hell of a lot more fires. All these comparisons on Ice cars vs EVS aren't accounting for vehicle age.
>>28742018Please fuck off shill. And take the Kia plants with you
>>28742018My husband and I love our EV's. It's funny when we met on grindr I up in my Mach-E, and he in his Maverick. Then we both came in the Mustang.
What a forced thread OP
Amerifats are so mindbroken by the big oil corporations that they'll literally breathe in this highly toxic, highly explosive carcinogenic fuel than having to charge their car for almost free once a week. The nonexistant migration to EV will forever be a blight on the automobile industry. With LFP batteries you can literally daily charge your car to 100% for a decade with no actual loss of range. Amerifats have so many good cheap EV options it's absolutely insane.
>>28742033>EVs have a much higher fire risk.The risks are actually way lower. You're far more likely to die in an internal COMBUSTION engine vehicle than an EV. The latter is far less likely to explode or catch fire. But it's true that once it does, it becomes bothersome to put out due to the nature of high voltage batteries. The situation is not made better by Tesla retards fucking up their emergency door openers.
>>28742417Now control for the age of the car and suddenly EVs are 10x the fire risk compared to gas cars.Gas cars go to shit because poor people who don't/can't maintain them drive them into the ground. The vast majority of EVs on the road are brand spanking new. Once poor people start buying aged used EVs and driving them into the ground we are going to see some serious shit. I honestly expect EVs to get banned at a federal level once that starts happening.
>>28742018no thanks, ev's are fucking gay.
>>28742422>Now control for the age of the car and suddenly EVs are 10x the fire risk compared to gas cars.Show me. If anything EVs tend to have more elaborate security systems due to them in general being more expensive cars. >Once poor people start buying aged used EVs and driving them into the ground we are going to see some serious shit.Isn't Nissan Leaf one of those infinite cars on the roads? All your fears are hypothetical but you can easily safeguard yourself against these eventual failures by buying an EV with LFP battery and without too much fancy tech shit added. The basic EVs like Kia Niro and Nissan Leaf 2014 last forever.
>>28742424I'm more open to EVs than most here but arent Leafs of that period notoriously shitty?
>>28742018>yet somehow the world's biggest producer of EVs, is reducing their oil consumption.Agreed but for different reason. I don't give a fuck about environment or oil so lmao.>Turns out gas cars catch fire at a rate several times moreYeah nothingburger, tiny %, FUD>The shortest range Tesla only ads about 10% time to the travel, and it ends up making roadtrips better when you realize driving for 6 hours straight without a break is awfulYeah it is awful. Try doing 12-14h a day to get across the country. Now try adding an additional 1-2h because of charging. Not to mention you have to preplan your route along major roadways when in the midwest or mountains. It's only the west coast and east coast where you have chargers literally everywhere, and no I don't want to drive the most boring ass interstate through the midwest just so I can be near most of the chargers.>Fake af. No oil changes, belt timing adjustments, spark plug replacementsYup>Currently longevity is decades. Several times more than a warranty on a 90s Toyota.Warranty is long enough to make it irrelevant anyway>Brakes last forever thanks to regen brakingCouldn't give a shit>They barely weigh any different than an equivalent gas car, and fuel tanker trucks destroy the roads far moreCouldn't give a shit>Norway has 95% EV market share. Works fine there.Sure, but they get less range just like hybrids get less. No need to pretend otherwise>Let me know when you can refill a gas car in 20 seconds like millions do their EVs every day!Why lie bro? No one is getting a near empty -> 80% charge in 20s with EV even on the best chargers. Most people charge overnight at their houses (get fucked if you're a rentee or in dense cities)>Every year, 30 times more oil and coal is mined from the earth than battery and solar minerals combined.Couldn't give a shit
>>28742434No they hold up really well. Battery had degradation issues but the degradation stops after a certain point. There is a whole online fan group around v1 Leaf. The v2 Leaf is garbage though.
>>28742018I hope you get raped by a pack of feral hogs.
>>28742018>Turns out gas cars catch fire at a rate several times morethey don't require several fire trucks to put out though
>>28742018gas cars catch on fire, yes. usually when in operation so you are likely to notice and get out. then fire brigade quickly extinguishes it and it gets towed away within 10 minutes. meanwhile electric cars will burn until they are out of batteries to burn, which is hours, and are most likely to catch fire when charging, possibly in your garage or around other evs that would catch on fire too.
>>28742445Unironically not my problem.
>>28742018it's hilarious that battery swapping would have made EV unstoppable to the point where nobody would even think about buying a new ICE car right now but somehow they fucked that up and just crammed giant batteries in the cars making them +2 ton monster needing larger tires destroying the range imagine if cordless power tools did that instead of just swapping for a charged battery
EV's are great for daily driving. Cheap, reliable and faster than ICE's. Charge at home so it doesn't even feel like you're ever refueling.Spend your now excess money on a project/weekend car
taking to ev hype maniacs about evs is like talking to trannies about "becoming women", they don't listen to reason, they ignore the drawbacks and downsides when pointed out
>>28742493yet
>>28742018>>28742053op please fuck yourselfev maybe the future but for none of the reasons you listed
>>28742417How many times are you going to keep reposting this lie of an image?
Self owned gas cars are under attack from so many vectors right now that the amount of propaganda being put out is insanely obvious there is a machine built by oil and car companies, supported by sheep cultists, doing everything it can to slow it down.Autonomous cars>uses EV cause it's more economical, will eat into oil and gas profits>buys cars in bulk at discount, meaning less profits for auto companies>each car is used by multiple people, so less cars sold per person, meaning less profits for auto companiese-bikes, E scooters, or whatever small electric device>replaces short trips, and is electric, so no oil consumed>less car usage (people own both a bike and a car), so it lasts longer and doesn't need to be replaced, so less oil consumed and less car salesElectric cars>last longer, require little maintanence, so less profit for auto manufacturers>brand new tech, so legacy auto manufacturers lose their huge advantage and a century of r&d>oil consumption craters, in more aspects than just fuelSolar and wind>even though not running on oil, half the ships at sea transport coal and natural gas and oil. Less coal and natural gas means less ship fuel being burned meaning less oilI wonder how crushing it is for oil companies when they see the real numbers, and not the fake EIA numbers put out as propaganda. It's like when tobacco companies had the real data on cigarettes causing cancer for decades before it became public.
Don't cares, going to drive my ice cream car until the wheels fall off.
Only browns shill for EVs
only failing empire hates EV. we ascend and you fall.
>>28742018I really don't mind the idea of an EV, but I hate every single EV offering on the market today. Not that ICE cars are much better, but they're all absolutely loaded to the brim with goyware and ugly as fuck to boot, or wildly overpriced for no reason.Give me a nice simple no bullshit, owner serviceable, good looking EV coupe/sedan that doesn't look like the bastard fetal alcohol child of a Prius and I'll probably buy one.
>>28742892You mean ICEVs. Makes you realize how many browns there are on 4chan.
>>28742894Why is she imitating her dinner?
>>28742917How does that dance imitate the falling American empire?
>>28742500Bought a Mach E a few years ago>work from home>surrounded by farmland on 3 sides>local grocery store is 15 mins away>costco is 45 mins away>car lives on the charger>stops at 60% full to preserve life of battery>groceries once a week, costco trip once a month>no worries about range on a day to day basis>house also has solar panels to offset electricity costsIf I'm driving to something an hour away, I just fill it all the way up the night before.The only time I need to plan stops is visiting family and that's as simple as>drive to nice rest stop ~4 hours away>charge during 30-45 min snack break>drive the rest of the way>plug into 110v outlet in their garage>do it all in reverse to go homealso extra money goes into guns rather than a hobby car
>>28742018I drove a Model 3 performance, and apart from being somewhat quick, it just wasn't that interesting, and I found it lacking any sort of character or substance. It was just "an vehicle". It felt like public transport, even though I was driving. I can see how that's appealing for someone who just wants a car to get from A to B, but I didn't "enjoy" driving it, and in someway I didn't think about driving it at all. I'd like to try out other electric cars, just to see if they offer a different experience, but I otherwise have no interest in them.
>>28742029Yeah tehy hybrid makes the most sense. EV fags will be all "but why buy something more complex that requires more excpensive maintenence?" and I'll be all "well then I guess we shouldn't buy anything the Germans make, right?"
>>28743276>"well then I guess we shouldn't buy anything the Germans make, right?"CorrectYou should buy Chinese EVs, obviously
>>28742496battery swapping is a complete non-starter, its basically the equivalent of an engine swap on an ICE vehicle.ev batteries weigh several hundreds of pounds, they're at the floor of the vehicle, they vary in shape/weight, they use high voltage connections, they have cooling/warming systems running through them. changing them is not fast, its not easy, its not something that can be automated for all cars without universal agreement from mfgs *and* insane infra in every charging/battery swap spot.its doable for multimillion $ track focused hypercars that come with a literal fucking pit crew, but not for the billions of cars around the globe.and frankly, from the first proper EV that was built for real, not just for show, it became obvious that its just not necessary.normal people like to stop after 2-3 hours of highway driving, to take a piss, grab some coffee, stretch their legs, smoke a cigarette etc etcand as it turns out, if you stretch that stop from the 10-15 mins it would normally take to 20-30mins, that's enough for an EV to drive another 2-3 hours. and ofc, charging times have been improving steadily over the last nearly 10 years we've had proper EVs, so there's every reason to expect that eventually, and not that far off into the future, we'll be back down to 10mins for charging stops.
>>28742858EVs basically killed germany. their economic model was/is "import resources and energy, export high value added products built using said resources and energy". cars were a HUGE part of that model. and its not just that the car exports were a huge part of total exports, but also that a huge part of the german economy was companies that primarily worked with/supplied the big auto companies. if the german auto industry dies/severely contracts, its taking the rest of the german economy with it.germany was able to leverage the EUs environmental regs to keep american cars out of europe (well, except small fords). and some modest tariffs and high shipping costs were enough to keep jap cars from eating too much of its market, since japan is also a developed, high wage economy.and they were able to sell shitloads of luxury cars to the chinks, who didn't have the eng experience to build good engines, and who for historical/political reasons were not into us/jap cars. ditto for russia, and a fair chunk of the 3rd world.and then elon released the model 3 and germany died.suddenly, cars became phones on wheels, which means china can now make cars easily. so, the china market is seriously compromised, and since chinks have low labor costs and already have a huge trading network in place, so they'll eat a big chunk of the 3rd world market tooplus, europe can't keep EVs out using environmental regs, obviously, so the only play is tariffs. except tariffs can(and will) be reciprocated. plus, a huge selling point of german cars was performance. like, sure, the japs had nice econoboxes, and the burgers had their huge suvs, but if you wanted an m5 or an rs6 or a 911, well, there's only one place that makes those. except as it turns out, its stupidly easy to shove tons of hp into EVs, you don't need biturbo dohc vvt high tech fests anymore, which is what german cars specialized in. tldr rip germany
>>28742018>they use more oil to makeIs true>they catch fireThe fires are worse, nobody says gas cars don't catch fire>they have little range and make roadtrips terribleIs true, even if it isn't a huge deal.>they cost more money to maintainLiterally zero (0) people said this retard>batteries don't last longIs true but less consequential than the cost. Most EVs will be 100% beyond economical repair when they need their first battery replacement.>they pollute more with brake dustLiterally zero (0) people said this retard>they'll destroy the roads with their weightLiterally zero (0) people said this retard>they don't work in coldLiterally zero (0) people said this retard>you spend more time fueling up than you do a gas car!Is true, it takes me about 5 minutes from stopping at the pump to driving away to fill any of my cars from empty.>the mining of minerals destroys the environment!Is true, because it is done in places with basically no environmental protections.>I have come to accept any EV criticism about its environmental impact, economics, or usability is just Jewish propaganda.Take your meds.
>>28743261>I drove a Model 3 performance, and apart from being somewhat quick, it just wasn't that interesting, and I found it lacking any sort of character or substance. It was just "an vehicle". It felt like public transport, even though I was driving. I can see how that's appealing for someone who just wants a car to get from A to B, but I didn't "enjoy" driving it, and in someway I didn't think about driving it at all. I'd like to try out other electric cars, just to see if they offer a different experience, but I otherwise have no interest in them.Horse rider talking about gas cars a century ago.
>>28743498We're having a repeat of flip phones and smart phones. Now it's gas cars and EVs. The market wants the future, and companies like Motorola and Blackberry will die while Apple and Google fill in the gaps. Samsung survived though.
>>28742894Now post a video of her removing all her makeup.
>>28742027True but that is a really low bar.
>>28744135I'm currently posting this reply from a Motorola phone.
>>28744503Crazy how they've become so irrelevant I didn't even realize they were still in business.
If your icev has less than 3.0l of displacement you might as well be driving an EV
>>28744595imo its not a matter of displacement or cylinder count, its a matter of character. EVs are boring. like, yes, a plaid or something is fun for a while, but eventually, having your organs rearranged when you floor it stops being exciting. and beyond that, EVs all feel the same. instant torque, super low COM, perfectly silent, no gear changes, blah blah. its the same, its all the same. and, its not *bad*, its just boring. the EV drivetrain is what RR used to try to make their v12s like: super quiet, super refined, super smooth, effortless torque. which is great for a luxury car, and for every other sort of car too, except for cars meant to be fun. because EV drivetrains are perfect, and perfection is boring.meanwhile, in ICE land, you have your miatas and your gt86s and your supras and m3/m4/m5 and the various amgs and 911s and ferraris, and they're all different and they're all exciting and fun. they have their own noise and their own feel and their own character. and yea, some of them (most of them) suck at the moment, but you can always buy used. lots of fun cars with manual trannies and rwd and naturally aspirated engines still around. EVs have no answer to that, they're sterile and boring. what EVs do have an answer to is everything else. all your econoboxes and corporate leased commutemobiles and family haulers, all those boring ass cars with their automatic transmissions and ultracucked exhausts and their tuning for low emissions and refinement, they'd be better off as EVs. even the RRs would be better off as EVs. the EV version is even quieter and even smoother and much more reliable and much cheaper to run and just better in every way. its boring, but hey, the ice version was boring too, at least drivetrain-wise.
>>28742018>Norway has 95% EV market share. Works fine there.Liar.
>most obvious B8 ever >/o/ falls head over heels I hate this board. I don't even know why I bother to visit.
/o/ is envious of China
>>28745355Retards on this board are to blame but so are the jannies who don't enforce any rules on any board. Unless someone posts CP or something similar to force them to actually do something.
>>28745329Oh no, it's 97% but because I underestimated it make a liar!
>>28742018You just realized the entire media is propaganda? Either corporate or political or personal.
>>28742434Sort of. the battery had no thermal management system so it degrades really fast. It also used the now defunct chademo standard so you cant charge anywhere but home.
I want a self driving car for DD because sitting in traffic is no fun anyway. But the weekend car is always going to be a mid engined turbocharged car with a manual with the doors that go up. Because life is too short not to have fun.
>>28742416>charge their car for almost free once a weekPower definitely isn't free and in 99% of the world it definitely isn't clean either.
>>28742436What's funny is I couldn't get diesel driving through bumfuck farm country Indiana. Tried 3 or 4 gas stations in a 2hr stretch of bumfuck and got nothing. First time I'd ever experienced no diesel gas pumps.
>>28742018>yet somehow the world's biggest producer of EVs, is reducing their oil consumption.From what? To what? Compared to what?Didn't read the rest of your post
electric cars will never not be gay as aids
>>28742018>making roadtrips better when you realize driving for 6 hours straight without a break is awfulHell no! I hate you break niggers! "it's only a 5 minute stop!" naw that shit is going to add 30+ minutes to your travel time. If you're not about to shit yourself then I'm not stopping. I filled the tank the day before. We're going and we're not stopping until we get there.
