The world is healing
dodge finna bring back the chally
Almost made me forget he's an evil pedo in league with Satan.
>>28747973Thought you guys were big fans of pedos and satan.
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>>28747932If you think this will decrease costs you are retarded.The market has shown that current prices are """""sustainable""""" so there is no incentive to lower them whatsoever. Cheaper cars in this scenario = reduced overhead = more profit for shareholders. Simple as.Now clap for your masters.
>>28747997>there is no incentive to lower them whatsoeverOther than basic free market capitalism, but whatever.
>>28747997>>28748002I've literally been wanting a new ranger sized pickup for over a decade. I've been willing to pay $20,000 for one for over a decade.
>>28748002>basic free market capitalismdictates that if you want something badly enough you will pay up-ticket for it.Enough people are willing to do this that the fact that (You) are going to hold out for a cheaper price doesn't matter. Profits are higher at a higher price point even if that results in less overall sales volume. Reducing prices is against all economic incentives. This is "basic free market capitalism.">>28748012If one comes out it will cost $40-50k because that's what the wider market is willing to pay.
>>28748012Whats the bigger truck in the back behind the ranger? Looks way cooler maybe you should get one of those now that youre 20 years older and can afford a full size truck.
>>28748016>Whats the bigger truck in the back behind the ranger?I don't know or care. If I wanted a truck that big I would get an old diesel.
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>>28748015If a truck is now $X cheaper to make and you sell it for $X/2 less you will sell more units and make more profit per unit. Whatever the new optimal price might be it's definitely lower. Please at least read the wikipedia article about economics before replying to me again.
>>28747982Us guys?
>>28748058redditors
>>28747932Except he didn't kill that button.Manufacturers aren't going to completely redesign their cars over this.Democrats also will just put regulations back in place after Trump is gone.
>>28748031>If a truck is now $X cheaper to make and you sell it for $X/2 less you will sell more units and make more profit per unit.Saying that this "will happen" relies on completely unfounded assumptions that the market has shown do not always occur.Peak Profit is a function of the amount of people that purchase something and the amount for which it is purchased. Selling 100 items at $10,000 generates inferior profit to selling 50 items at $50,000 at a ratio of 2.5, meaning that at a $10,000 price point you would need to sell 250 items to generate the same amount of return. If the market does not support 250 sales, then selling at $10,000 is impossible. If the market supports 50 sales at $50,000, then selling at $10,000 is unwise due to the costs and time required to create, test, and ship additional inventory and the potential to oversaturate the market with product as demand changes.The only instance in which lowering prices would be economically incentivized would be if market demand at a lower price point would be so massive (say, 500 sales at $10,000) that you would be a fool not to lower prices. You are assuming that this will happen when, in reality, market demand has held strong at high prices due to readily-available auto loans with the only massive drops in demand being economic catastrophes.https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TOTALSAAdditionally, since buying a car for many people is a "need" and not a "choice," they often cannot afford to, or are at least incentivized to avoid, holding out for better prices long-term, which also buoys the market.
>>28748062>Democrats also will just put regulations back in place after Trump is goneit's likely going to be a long time before they have any viable presidential candidates. they're at least as dead as they were in Reagan's first term probably even more so.
>>28748058Yes, 'guy'. As in ywnbaw.
>>28748066Lmao, you are delusional as fuck. Republicans have no viable candidates that have the charisma Trump did.
>>28748066just a bunch of brown women DEI candidates and Gavin Newsom
>>28748069Lol Vance is actually better than Trump in just about every way and with none of the flaws. All you have is a roomful of DEI candidates and a greasy Disney supervillain.
>>28748069Vance will be installed by Peter Thiel and you will like it.
>>28748071believe me if they could run Illan Omar for president they would, they only can't because she wasn't born here.
>>28748012the compact pickup boom was a result of the OPEC era, you would have to somehow recreate the specific market conditions that existed in the 70s for that
>>28748063>Selling 100 items at $10,000 generates inferior profit to selling 50 items at $50,000 at a ratio of 2.5, meaning that at a $10,000 price point you would need to sell 250 items to generate the same amount of returnYou don't even know what "profit" means. Please stop being retarded in public. Or at least stop wasting so much of your time on it.
>>28748081Very nice that you harped on me using "profit" colloquially instead of "revenue" or "income" instead of addressing the rest of my 100% factual argument.>Please at least read the wikipedia article about economics before replying to me again.
>>28748082You didn't use it "colloquially". If you meant revenue you'd have included manufacturing costs, which is the entire point here.
>>28748087Manufacturing costs are irrelevant to the conversation at hand when discussing the consumer market's desire for a product, which is driven entirely off of desirability or need versus the price at which it is sold.>Please at least read the wikipedia article about economics before replying to me again.
>>28747932Please God tell me this means V8 Tundra's are back on the menu...
>>28748093I give you an example. European manufacturers always grossly overcharge Americans for cars that over there are just like a Nissan or Chevy because they know Americans be dum and think European=sophisticated and posh.
>>28748093So your argument is that if prices of cars went down they wouldn't actually sell any more cars. Every post on this board or anywhere else complaining about needing a car but not being able to afford it is fake. Ok.
>>28748097right. nothing ever prevented BMW from selling 1.5L diesel shitboxes with taxi trim here, they just know you're dumb enough to treat it as a premium brand.
>>28748097This is an example of the desirability-price intersection and again has no bearing on manufacturing costs. Luxury goods with no additional utility or manufacturing costs when compared to "lesser" products that nonetheless remain profitable are the purest example of desirability having infinitely more relevance than manufacturing costs for end-point pricing in a free market.>>28748099>Every post on this board or anywhere else complaining about needing a car but not being able to afford it is fake. Ok.I'm not saying that they're fake. I'm saying that corporations aren't a charity and don't care that (You) specifically want to buy a car for less money. Millions of cars are being sold at current prices. Dropping those prices will likely not result in enough purchases to match current profit levels despite whatever winging you read on /o/, especially since lots of people are willing to go into debt to buy these cars anyway.Not to mention that, if you really want to buy a cheap car Right Now, there is nothing stopping you from buying Used on the secondary market. This in and of itself gives manufacturers incentive to keep prices high. If you specifically want a new car when there are other available options at your desired price point, then the manufacturer is incentivized to leverage a desired quality only they can provide (newness) to extract additional profit. In a world populated entirely by Homo economicus new cars could only be as expensive as the most directly comparable old car, but since humans are irrational and "newness" is naturally valued that adds to the price.
>>28748109>Millions of cars are being sold at current pricesAnd millions more were being sold at 10-years-ago prices.>Dropping those prices will likely not result in enough purchases to match current profit levelsSource: Just trust me bro>especially since lots of people are willing to go into debt to buy these cars anyway."Homelessness isn't real because mortgages exist"Please go back to r/latestagecapitalism or whatever subreddit you're from. Done talking to you now.
>>28748099Remember when the Mitsubishi mirage was being sold, and all these posters complaining about there being no affordable cars said it was shit? Where were the sales of those. Why did it get discontinued.
>>28748120>And millions more were being sold at 10-years-ago prices.They were. And guess what? Profits have increased since then. This proves my point. Why drop prices when you're making more money with the same amount of sales? Look at the graph I posted. Even with price hikes, cars are selling at the same rate that they have for decades—16-17 million cars a year, every year, save for major economic collapses and the fallout thereof. If the market could not bear higher prices, we would see a notable decline in sales, either gradual or immediate depending on the rate of price hikes. Prices will not return to those of 10 years ago without the bottom falling out of the market.>Source: Just trust me broNo, see above. Market trends have held steady, meaning that there remains room in the market for prices to increase. Revenue has climbed 70x since 2016 and that's despite EV sales slumping and gross profit has fluxuated due to the same. Steady revenue and slumping gross is even greater evidence that the automakers will want to claw back reduced production costs for an easy gross upturn.https://simplywall.st/markets/us/consumer-discretionary/auto>"Homelessness isn't real because mortgages exist"This has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying, but mortgage availability raises housing prices due to allowing people who would not otherwise have been able to access a market to do so, so the housing market is actually another example of what I'm talking about. You would know this if you took your own advice and>read the wikipedia article about economics before replying to me again.>Please go back to r/latestagecapitalism or whatever subreddit you're from. Done talking to you now.I accept your concession.
>>28748067Ain't you the one that voted for a cock sucker?
>>28748154Unironically can't wait to see what insane shit you people believe by 2028. I can't even imagine how it gets crazier than this, but I would've said the same thing back when we were still at "russian pee tape" or "drinking bleach"
>>28748174you mean injecting bleach? that incident really showed just how assblasted the media was at trump. watched the clip and he never said to inject bleach.
>>28748193best thing Trump did was completely destroy the credibility of mainstream media
>>28748124They're discontinuing the Versa too. Ford discontinued the EcoSport. "Muh cheap new car would sell!!" Okay, except they never do.$20k new cars are just another out of touch /o/ meme like small trucks and 2-seater manual coupes. "Oh everyone would buy one!!" Okay, then how come they all wind up with shittier sales than ice cream in January and eventually get shitcanned?
>>28747932No company is going to change their emissions strategy due to a single administration, especially when it's becoming increasingly clear that the opposite part is going to win in the next midterms and possibly the next election.
>>28748193he said inject disinfectant which is almost as retarded
>>28747932Didn't start/stop stop being used in new cars a while ago?
>>28748242Except he was specifically referencing an experimental therapy where that's exactly what was happening.
>>28748246dunno, I refuse to buy a new car. Get yourself a barn, and start hording gas cars. You'll be rich soon when they become unobtainium
>>28748124>>28748236>sell tiny shitpods for more than the price of a pre-chink flu Corolla>no one wants them>"Welp, guess the poors were lying and didn't want cheap cars after all!"(You)
>>28748259No, he wasn't. He was just musing retarded ideas like a fucking idiot. Don't cover for him. > So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light — and I think you said that that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that too. It sounds interesting.>And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.>So we’ll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute, that’s — that’s pretty powerful.
>>28748067Source: trust me, bro
>>28748303Bro it's been over 5 years, if your head's still this far up your ass I'm not going to burn my life clock trying to deprogram you.https://www.nasdaq.com/press-release/aytu-bioscience-signs-exclusive-global-license-with-cedars-sinai-for-potential
>>28748174>Unironically can't wait to seeBot ass head
One mention of Trump and this board becomes /pol/
>>28747966I hope it's not too late to get V8 Chargers back in production. Arkansas State Police goes through them quickly and the SUVs aren't really doing well against the youths/teens/juveniles.
>>28748012>I've literally been wanting a new ranger sized pickup for over a decade.Go buy and restore a Ranger then, because automakers are not going to make them again.>>28748031>If a truck is now $X cheaper to make and you sell it for $X/2 less you will sell more units and make more profit per unit.Automakers are used to limiting supply to drive up the price. They won't just magically increase production to satisfy the consumer, they're not a charity. That exposes them to risk with excessive inventory. The ideal buyer/seller dynamic for them is to sell one less car than is demanded and always have the upper hand. The rest of the public can buy a used car at MSRP instead of a new car with a markup.>>28748348>One mention of Trump and this board becomes /pol/That just means the baseline is /pol/ and people are just putting on a polite facade until the dogwhistle is blown.
>>28748362It's good to see those youths stimulating the economy through the broken glass fallacy.
>>28748402>you make the most money by ignoring the low end of the market and selling a small amount of product for jacked up pricesMeanwhile in reality the country buys half a trillion dollars' worth of cheap chinese crap every year.
>>28748410>you make the most money by ignoring the low end of the market and selling a small amount of product for jacked up pricesThat is correct. There is no prize for right answers though.The primary reason for this is that people are maxed out on the amount of debt they can sustain. Totally saturated, up to their eyeballs in debt even. They can no longer afford to take on more, especially not for a car, which is usually the 2nd or 3rd most expensive thing people buy.The American economy is fueled by consumer spending, and no one spends better than the US can. This consumer behavior means that most people will max out debt wherever it can be found, and there's a huge mismatch between debt:income so when debt grows faster than the income, people lose their taste for spending.The only present surplus for consumer spending is at the top 10% of earners and even they're getting squeezed. Automakers are sitting on a lot of six-figure junk that rich people don't want.
>>28748411>no one can take out a loan because they're all too busy taking out loansk
>>28748031But why would they do that when they could sell it for twice as much and still sell just as many because people are crazy for pickups
>>28748410The low end of the market isn't buying new cars from Ford, they're buying used cars from private sellers.
>>28748073You don't honestly believe this, do you? Vance is almost Zuckerberg tier with his human impersonation.
>>28748268>Get yourself a barn, and start hording gas cars. You'll be rich soon when they become unobtainiumYou'll die with a bunch of hulks that have sat for years and your family will sell them for pennies on the dollar.
>>28748012>I've been willing to pay about 40% less than the price of the cheapest shit econobox on the market for a brand new pickup truck ( but it can be small er than a big big truck) duallie noted
>>28747932Can a software update disable that crap permanently?
>>28748530nta but lots of people who used to vote gop but refused to vote trump because of their tds caused by some childhood trauma he triggered even though they would have supported 90% of his policies if they were held by someone else will be lining up to vote for vance in 2028.
>>28748544>lots of people who used to vote gop but refused to vote trump because of their tdsI have a feeling this demographic is not nearly as large as you think.
i'm very curious to see what sort of passenger cars that the yanks will develop now, seeing as how they don't have fuel economy standards anymore just like trucksit's either going to result in some truly awesome designs or it's going to completely bury the industry for good. either way, they couldn't compete with the chinese for EVs and they couldn't compete with the europeans and japanese for everything else so it's all or nothing now
>>28748549it's actually gigantic but it's mostly vaccinated boomers who are all dying off for some weird unexplainable reason. but whether they vote for vance or die of turbo cancer it's one less vote for whatever socialist stooge the dems put up.
>>28747932is the feature going away or the ability to disable ass is going away?
>>28748239>especially when it's becoming increasingly clear that the opposite part is going to win in the next midterms and possibly the next electionI wonder if someone also said this in 1981.
>>28748544>nta but lots of people who used to vote gop but refused to vote trump because of their tds caused by some childhood trauma he triggered even thoughBecause he looks like the uncle who touched them inappropriately when they were 7?
