BASED BASED BASED
I don't see who would buy these cars though. No one buys the sub compact segment already and people will realize they will die if they get into an accident with a 6000lb truck or EV
>>28748359FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER
>>28748355people with no moneyso most americans
>>28748351Giga based, you might even get Jimny in US.
>>28748355Fits and fiestas sold very well thoughtout the first trump term they were basically killed by Bidens fuel economy standards
Full quote>One of the other things we’re doing—it’s separate from this meeting but I think everybody here would agree with it—if you go to Japan where I just left, and if you go to South Korea and Malaysia and other countries, they have a very small car—sort of like the Beetle used to be with the Volkswagen—they’re very small, they’re really cute, and I said “How would that do in this country?”>And everyone seems to think good but you’re not allowed to build them, and I’ve authorized the secretary to immediately approve the production of those cars, so you’ll be able to buy the—they really are, some of them are really beautifully actually if you take a look. >Honda, some of the Japanese companies do a beautiful job, but we’re not allowed to make them in this country and I think you’re gonna do very well with those cars, so we’re gonna approve those cars.Absolutely based imho, Trump was clearly looking at an N-one when it hit him, but I don't think we should focus on kei cars too muchIf this has any effect we'll see cars sized somewhere between the current Civic and a Fit
>>28748351Lol you guys are fucking pathetic, in one thread you sheeps jerk this orange guy off for muh V8s and now it's small 1,6 liter Korean cars that are "based" instead? Sad.
>>28748459>4chan is one personSir reddit is that way.
We Hilux now
>>28748465chicken tax issue, not emissions
The Micra K11 is the perfect car for 99% of people. They should just bring it back with a slightly beefier engine and better door seals.
>>28748351Trump actually doing something good ?That's like Friedrich Merz doing something that would benefit the working class.
>>28748459i'm getting a brand new vega and it's coming with a big block, you fucking brain dead zoomer.
>>28748459Sometimes you want a big spoon, sometimes you want a small spoon.
>>28748351Yeah no one would buy those in the USA,for a plethora of reasons but also because the roads are full of gigantic SUV/trucks so you'll die in any collision.
>>28748459more options are better. if people want a small car, they will now be able to buy them because of trump. if people want a v8, they will now be able to buy them because of trump. literally everyone wins. you're crying because this means we will no longer be forced by our government into living in a world where the roads are 50% crossover eggshits and 50% F350 murder machines. i honestly can't think of a stupider position to hold, especially on a board for car enthusiasts. this isn't even left vs right it's retarded vs not retarded and you chose retarded simply because trump chose non retarded.
>>28748555>if people want a small carIf the Mitsubishi mirage was anything to go by, people don’t seem to want small cars.
>>28748565The Mirage is selling very well.
>>28748565People definitely want small cars, the new cope for zoomers that can't afford an s chassis is the Honda Fit.
>>28748531Based and 454ci pilled.
>>28748567Being discontinued is selling well?>>28748568if the fit was popular, it would still be sold.
>>28748531Not a thing.
>>28748459Drink bleach fuckhead
>>28748584Ah, hypocrisy. My favorite.
>>28748565then who cares. you're mad that trump is giving manufacturers the option to make something. not force them to make it, allowing them to make it if they want to. your position is moronic.
This is the worst thing I've seen all day. no thoughts or consideration for the poor dealers with lots filled up with $100,000 pickup trucks going on 4 years old now. Why would Americans want cheaper Vehicles when they could have vehicles in the six figures they can pay off for the rest of their lives
>>28748591They never not had the option to make it. They stopped making them because people weren’t buying it to begin with. You’re too dumb to understand the difference.
>>28748604cafe requirements impose mpg standards based on vehicle footprint. they couldn't make small cars unless they get something ridiculous like 80mpg. i'm starting to think you're not american and aren't even a car enthusiast so i'm not sure what you're even doing here
>>28748607How was the mirage made despite not getting 80 mpg? I’m starting to think you don’t know what cafe is.
>>28748351Another insane idea by trump. It's undemocratic to have these tiny cars on American streets. We need more heavy electric and hybrid SUVs. Preferably those Chinese-made ones.
>>28748611because the standards were very different when it was released here back in 2013. please stop replying to me i'm sick of dealing with your idiocy.
>>28748565Exactly it's because it's the only option,and a TERRIBLE one at that
>>28748623Do you not realize the mirage was produced as recently as 2024, not just 2013? Or do you think cafe doesn’t affect cars already in production? I wish you niggers actually knew what cafe was.
>>28748624>I want cheap cars>no, not THAT cheap, i hav standards!Even /o/ doesn’t want affordable cars.
>>28748355>I don't see who would buy these cars though.Me
>>28748624>>28748632The Mirage was a piece of shit though. If Kei-sized cars could be sold in America, they wouldn't need to be restricted to 660cc 3cyl 67hp engines.
>>28748607>they couldn't make small cars unless they get something ridiculous like 80mpgthey were making the focus, the fiesta, the sonic, the spark, etc. none of those even came close to 80mpg.ford did make a car that got ~70mpg during the clinton administration, but that government program was shut down before any of the automakers had to build them (they all lobbied to not have to build them and Dubya's administration killed the program in favor of some go nowhere hydrogen program)
>>28748450Thank you for posting the full quote
>>28748634Kei cars are just shittier mirages. They can’t be sold with bigger engines because the weak transmissions they’re built with would explode. Why do you think the solution to people not buying small cars is to make them smaller and shove even less economical engines in them.Is there any nigger on this board who actually owns a car and isn’t just a gran turismo playing tard.
>>28748634You shut your mouth. Mitsus are awesome, no exceptions. Go buy a Corolla or something.
>>28748459>noooo people can't just choose the car they want to buy from a variety of choices!!!! how can we implement forced sodomy-based gay race socialism???
>>28748669Yeah, imagine your government of all things deciding what kind of cars can you buy. Oh wait.
>foreigners celebrating america doing retarded shit thread #infinityNobody's going to buy these things and by nobody I mean it'll be a financial failure.
>>28748674Imagine ignoring options manufacturers tried to sell you, and then blaming the government when manufacturers rightfully assume you don’t want them. Oh damn.
the average mutt cant fit in those cars and every mutt wants a tank for 'safety'. It wont sell.
>>28748676This. not one (1) auto manufacturer will actually produce le small cars that no one here wants. i dont fuckin want em, i want a big gas guzzling sedani have no idea who wants em
>>28748607Slightly unrelated, but europe has no such regulations and people are still starting to opt for bigger cars compared to the tiny citycars and hatchbacks of the past. Why is that?
>>28748679when has any US based user in this site's usual age demographic had an opportunity to buy a kei vehicle new
>>28748682yeah you and every other dipshit until the economy crashes or gas prices go above $4/gallon then you're pawning your family heirlooms just to fill up your shartmobile
>>28748692> or gas prices go above $4/gallonI already pay $5.50 a gallon in cali dumbass, and i still dont want a fucking small gay hatchback because i'm not a fuckin broke retard who unironically cares about mpgs id just get a tesla if i cared about fuel economy affecting my finances.
>>28748687If you didn’t buy a mirage when that was new, why should I believe you’ll buy “mirage but worse in every way”? How many compacts are you gonna ignore before you admit you were never gonna buy them?
>>28748684they have similar regulations but they're based on emissions and vehicle weight instead of mpg and vehicle footprint.
Jannies ITT editing deleting and seething
>>28748607>vehicle footprintAnother questiondon't sedans have a bigger foot print than crossovers? Sedans are longer, crossovers are shorter and taller. Why do they choose to build crossovers? >crossovers are counted as light trucksNot all of them tho>>28748700Interesting
>>28748698Based and actually smart with money pilled. Anyone crying about fuel prices and doesn’t want an EV is nigger brained.
>>28748699The failure of the mistubishi mirage and the nissan versa shows that all this talk about "the people want cheap affordable small cars" is just a load of internet bullshit The PEOPLE want USED cars, not new ones in any case. New cars are and should only be a luxury item for rich people. There is absolutely no reason why poors or even middle class should be looking at brand new cars.
>>28748699You underestimate how much "novelty" gets people to buy things. Mirages aren't interesting the same way kei cars are because they're too much bigger. Kei class teeny tiny shitboxes don't exist here, it's something new and different to burgersharts. Mirages aren't.
>>28748575the fit is gone because it couldn’t hit CAFE standards you stupid ass disingenuous faggot. begone.
>>28748715>You underestimate how much "novelty" gets people to buy thingsNo, you're overestimating. The target demographic is poor, they're not spending $15k (being generous on the price) on a kei car because it's "novel" Novelty is for rich people.It would need to cost $12k max to be competitive.
>>28748709Sedans are classified as cars, not light trucks with crossovers are classified as. Different set of CAFE rules. Crossovers/SUVs are literally considered farm vehicles in the eyes of the government.
>>28748359Is this AI?
Moreover sub 150hp simply doesn't cut it in our modern times.
>>28748459because they're both based you dumb tranny. regulations are cringe.
>>28748732I drove a sub 70hp 2000lb car and, while that was borderline not enough, it was still enough. If it was like 100hp and RWD I would drive it happily.
>>287487342 cylinder cuck boxes for the city fags and v8 monster trucks for the rural chads. everyone is happy. trump is truly a man of the people.
>>28748623This seems like the sort of thing that would so obviously not produce the intended results. Like, it's asking for manufacturers to try to game the rules.
>>28748728That's not much more than what people are paying for imported 25 year old Keis right now, and almost double what they start at brand new in Japan (about $6,700). I know multiple people with imported ones who would jump at the chance to buy a brand new one, without 25 year old car problems, for not much more than they already paid.
>>28748715Remember when Mercedes sold the smart car and the “novelty” wore off and the sales plummeted?>>28748741There are people in Europe who would jump at the chance to own a body on frame American land barge, but it isn’t enough to justify selling them in Europe, so American brands would never try. The novelty market is smaller than you think.
>>28748719>the fit is gone because of cafe but somehow the mirage outlived itShut the fuck up, nigger.
>>28748768I wasn’t aware the Mirage used the same engine, aero and other such aspects as the Fit you incredulous retard. Not the same car.
>>28748679So basically what you're saying is these retards just double down and try force feeding these tiny cars to people. Ok.
>>28748761Maybe because the smart fortwo was saddled with one of the worst automated manual transmissions of all time?
>>28748769>cafe only targeted the fit, the mirage was somehow immune Go learn how cafe actually works, stupid nigger.
>>28748775i love you anti trump bots that crash out every time he does something people love, which is almost every day. if you only knew how many fence sitters you losers have turned into trump supporters lol
>>28748761>Remember when Mercedes sold the smart car and the “novelty” wore off and the sales plummeted?they sold for a decade at like 10k cars a year, they were absolute shit in US specs tooA kei truck has way greater utility
>>28748772Do you think people who want these for the novelty care how bad they actually are? It’s more like the few people who actually wanted one got it, and there was no one else left in the market to keep sales up.The same thing happened with skyline gtrs. And any other jdm novelty shit. Once the market for them quickly dried up, all these speculators asking for 300k for their r34 gtr were left without a buyer.
>>28748741This is a negligible enthusiast market.Any normal American with a $5k-$20k budget when presented with a Kei car will not buy a Kei car when they can easily procure a full-size on the used market with better performance and more features. Anyone arguing for widespread new Kei cars in the US is going to have to come up with a reason why the average American won't just buy a better car used.
>>28748778I love how stupid ass niggers like you think cafe makes it illegal to sell certain cars when all it actually does is add a price penalty of a few grand to a car that’ll still be cheaper than everything else, and because you retards need something to blame besides yourselves, you think trump will magically make aPeople buy small cars again when you don’t even own one yourself.
>>28748778He says, and sounds like a cultist bot.
>>28748779And when the kei truck fails miserably selling maybe 3k units a year if you’re lucky, you’ll just say that was shit and if America had gotten a REAL kei car, it would’ve totally lot the world on fire.
>>28748775Yes. Because its not the same fucking car or the same company strategy. Holy fucking christ this board is full of so many retards its unbelievable.
>>28748784In what way is it viable for companies to sell already low margin cars incurring massive penalties when they can sell crossovers that have farm vehicle classifications? How about you think a bit more next time you reply?
>>28748784i already addressed that in the other thread you're crashing out in - >>28747339you're just in a blind rage spending your day screeching about this because you know it makes trump look good. you probably do this more days than you don't. your life is incredibly sad and the pleasure people get from seeing losers like you so upset about things happening that make their life better is a big reason why people voted for the guy, so please by all means, don't stop.
>>28748355as long as they can do US highway speeds comfortably i'd be all over one
I dont know about you retards, but if they were sub 10K, id buy one. Id kill to have a new car that isnt thrashed by the average normie faggot that thinks 16K mi OCIs are acceptable because the equally faggtoid mfgr said so, nevermind any other maintenance.
>>28748812NTA but your addressment has already been addressed >>28748063There is no incentive for prices to go down
>>28748799>yes Confirmed retard who doesn’t know how cafe works.
>>28748803A few grand is not a massive penalty and those cost are just passed onto the consumer. And you’re right, why sell a small car that no one is buying when you can sell crossovers that everyone actually wants. You just figured out why small cars don’t sell regardless of cafe.
>>28748790> you’ll just say that was shit and if America had gotten a REAL kei carhey retard, they're wildly popular in the US, even with the regulations against themhttps://minitrucks.net/collections/vehiclesthe inventory on all US importers constantly sells outeven a retard like you should understand that removing regulations against them wont make sales go down
>>28748825that has nothing to docwoth this discussion.
>>28748842It has everything to do with this discussion.You're saying companies would stop passing a fine on to the consumer, but why would they when the consumer is buying at current prices? The fine simply becomes extra profit. No company is going to throw profit away.>>287488387,500 Kei trucks were imported in 2024. 732,000 F-Series trucks were sold that same year. You're confusing a niche enthusiast market with "popularity." 5,000 people wanting a car for which there are only 3,000 examples does not equate to popularity. Every enthusiast market works this way.
anons here are delusional. this is not meant to compete with the cars already on the road. this new class of cars is meant to restore the old tier of sub-10k shitboxes we have been priced out of for decades to slow the auto loan bubble. average people are buying way too much car with insane car payments and defaulting at record numbers. and it's mostly because all cars are bloated by regs and every company is going upmarket. our economy no longer supports everyone owning luxury goods to take them to work and back so this is an attempt to keep the industry from imploding. if everyone sensible only keeps buying used cars like they have been the last few years we're cooked long term. restoring simple utilitarian cars is an admirable goal even if it seems like car companies currently have zero incentive to do so.
Are we getting the Hilux Champ then?
>>28748851>this new class of cars is meant to restore the old tier of sub-10k shitboxes we have been priced out of for decades to slow the auto loan bubbleNot possible. See >>28748782Manufacturers have no interest in doing this and won't make any cars like this
>>28748850How many more could they sell if people weren't turned off by the only legal ones being 25 year old worn out heaps with little to no parts support and no warranty?
>>28748856Probably about as many as the smart car. So about 1 or 2 thousand more before immediately being discontinued like every thing else.
>>28748856Probably none considering small cars en-masse have passed into the night without so much as a whisper from the wider market. Nobody wants them when larger and more comfortable cars exist. That's what the American market wants.
>>28748855I don't think it will necessarily be kei cars but something more desireable to the US consumer. the point is that if they don't do something to cater to the broke majority the market will implode like the 2008 housing crisis. back then everyone wanted to be a landowner, and the market corrected to show that most people were delusional. now it's the same with the luxury goods most new cars have morphed into.
>>28748850>7,500 Kei trucks were imported in 2024. 732,000 F-Series trucks were sold that same year.Is this retard comparing the sales of kei trucks to the most popular vehicle sold in the US?fucking mongoloid can't even comprehend something not in absolutes
>>28748858Again, the fault of asinine CAFE standards making it near impossible to sell small cars profitably
>>28748862>the most popular vehicle sold in the US?I'm comparing two trucks retard. The fact that one truck is an irrelevant enthusiast vehicle and the other is the most popular vehicle in the US just makes it obvious that what you're saying is so unfathomably incorrect that even (You) think it sounds retarded. Consider killing yourself, preferably in a car accident.>>28748863Explain in detail why CAFE is responsible for $20k shitboxes not selling and not an utter lack of market demand for them.
>>28748565If Mitsubishi Outlander is anything to go by, people don't seem to want big crossovers.
>Chrysler launched the L-body Omni/Horizon for the 1978 model year, the first American FWD subcompacts, but despite this well-intentioned gesture towards fuel economy, the cars were mediocre sellers at first as '78 was overwhelmingly a year of big car sales with the Chevrolet Caprice setting records. The disappointing sales of the L-bodies as well as the discontinuation of the full-sized Dodge and Plymouth C-bodies contributed to Chrysler's increasingly perilous financial situation in the late '70s.[3]
>>28748865>I'm comparing two trucks retard.you comparing something that is fundamentally a niche to the most popular car sold in the countryit's like if we were talking about the growing trend of boba tea in the US and your retarded ass comes in and goes HUUUR MCDONALD CHEESEBURGER SELLS MORE HURR
>>28748865I see mirages everywhere though
>>28748868But the big crossover segment is growing. The small cars segment is not. Stop being retarded.
>>28748874>something that is fundamentally a nicheI accept your concession.>>28748876Good for you, here's a cookie. Anyway, Mitsubishi discontinued it because sales were down and the margins were doodoo dogshit regardless so they wanted to shift their focus towards higher-margin cars with better sales volume.
>>28748865the bread and butter of american automobile manufacturers is the half ton pickup truck. none of these vehicles meet cafe standards, so they need to make up the difference as much as they can with their pedestrian commuter vehicles to lower their fleet averages. if they can't exceed cafe standards with a commuter car, they have no incentive to sell it when they have others that can. this is why they push their EVs to hard, they enable them to sell their cash cow pickup trucks. the cars around the minimum footprint threshold currently need to get about 61mpg to break even, which is not really possible, so they have zero incentive to sell them since they'd be taking sales away from other larger cars that can fall under that threshold thus lowering their fleet mpg averages. and if they do sell them, they mark them up to cover the extra costs in fines they're incurring, putting them above the value the market places on them thus reducing their sales.
>>28748863The manufacturers pass the cafe penalties onto the consumer. It doesn’t cut into profits at all.
>>28748883>I accept your concession.lol you just proved my earlier post, you're so retarded you cannot comprehend a market that isn;t the most ofStick to sucking on crayons buddy, this thread is beyond your mental horsepower
>>28748886if you increase the price of a non veblen good you will reduce demand and have fewer buyers, so yes that would cut into profits.
>>28748355Just don't get hit. This is like first day driver's ed stuff.
>>28748883Sales of all Mitsubishi products are down because the entire Mitsubishi motor division is circling the drain, not just the Mirage.
>>28748884CAFE somehow accidentally caused the SUV boom of the 90s since it didn't apply to trucks whereas 70s style V8 boats were taxed out of existence.
>>28748872>americans won't buy compacts because some anemic piece of shit fwd chrysler lemon sold badly one time
>>28748568I would like a hybrid Fit thank you.
>>28748355Samurai, Swift or whatever it was called in US where quite popular?
>>28748886Then it will sell more poorly because the small car now costs the same as the larger one. You can see this with the current midsize truck market, the Colorado for example starts at 30k, but with the incentives you can always get for Silverados, they're basically the same price. Volume is the key to profitability at the lower half of the market, and they're going to sell fewer of the smaller thing at a higher price, especially in burgerstan where everyone has a "bigger is always better" mentality.
>>28748902it was just designed to prove a point that people generally only buy small cars when economic conditions compel it. in only a year after that the US economy collapsed its its worst downturn since the Depression and then small cars were the only thing that sold.
>>28748902What about all the other anemic fwds that sold poorly. Do they not count, either?
>>28748895This assumes that the market has already maxed out the price. If this had happened then we'd see auto revenue declining even though it isn't, so we haven't hit max price yet.>>28748884The problem with this explanation and others like it is that it doesn't discount the real Shitbox Market killer, which is the Used market. In order for a shitbox to be cheap, it has to be Shit. You can't put a HiPo motor or heated seats or Lane Assist into these and have them remain inexpensive. However, used cars will have all of these features and more at the same price as the ideal shitbox, which incentivizes people to not buy them. Why get a new anemic i3 or i4 when I can get a V8 Challenger for the same amount of money? Why settle for No Features when I can get a mid-2000's luxury car with Everything? The Shitbox market overlaps with the Used market, and the Used market has more desirable cars at cheaper prices.This is why new shitboxes don't sell. The market participants for them are all buying used cars. No amount of CAFE elimination will fix this because by the time you dump all of the features that people actually want into a $20k shitbox it ceases to be a $20k shitbox and is instead your average $50k car.This is why this entire conversation is so frustrating. People are sitting here cheering for auto industry income padding because they think it will bring back a market that is not only no longer possible, but which consumers are actively disinterested in supporting even if it were to exist.
>>28748915>This is why this entire conversation is so frustrating. People are sitting here cheering for auto industry income padding because they think it will bring back a market that is not only no longer possible, but which consumers are actively disinterested in supporting even if it were to exist.As I said, the compact pickup boom of the 80s was due to specific market conditions at that time that don't exist anymore.
>>28748872>>28748913The Chevette also sold poorly its first two years (77-78) and sales only took off in 79 as the recession was unfolding.
>>28748915this is whole lot of cope stemming from a simple announcement of a tiny bit of deregulation. what's the root of your argument exactly, that what trump did won't matter?
>>28748351He can't change the law by executive order and nothing is going to get kei cars made in the US. Enjoy your tariffs.
>>28748928>what's the root of your argument exactly, that what trump did won't matter?That it won't matter and that the only thing it does is turn a fine into expanded industry profit that (You) will not benefit from, yes.
>>28748934and you care enough about something that won't matter to spend your day crying about it online.
>>28748936I see no problem with spending a portion of my day attempting to show people that they're getting anally raped by their government. Waking people up to the truth is how you make the country better. I can only hope that you'll actually sit and think for a few moments and realize that you're falling for a policy that is essentially "free money for auto manufacturers" with extra steps.
>>28748938sounds pretty woke to me
>>28748909What larger car could you get for the price of a mirage.
>>28748938honestly man i hope things get better for you.
>>2874890170s style v8 boats were sold until 2011. Guess how popular the panther was.
>>28748895The price of trucks have only gone up and the demand has gone up with them.
>>28748901there is good reason to believe it was inevitable as California and Texas began to influence car trends more than the Northeast
>>28748945accounting for inflation, gdp, and population?
>>28748944not at all. the Panther platform came out at the end of the decade and was created as a response to the arrival of CAFE, also it was mostly always a cop/grandma car. a real 70s LTD was a Brontosaurus-sized big block boat.
>>28748948NTA but the price increase has (like most things) outpaced inflation and if you ignore the other two you're essentially just saying "well has the market value actually increased if you ignore the market?" which is retarded.
>>28748946The Wagoneer invented the luxury SUV in 1962 and the Suburban began entering that market in 73.
>>28748953>the price increase has outpaced inflationsource?
>>28748865>Explain in detail why CAFE is responsible for $20k shitboxes not selling and not an utter lack of market demand for them.$20k shitboxes don't sell because people would rather have a $24k Corolla. The Ford Maverick has sold an average over 100k unites a year in the US.
>>28748958https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=car+price+increases+over+time
Detroit never really did like small cars; Ford didn't care about Pintos having an obvious serious safety defect because it was a shitcan and you were supposed to be driving an LTD.
>>28748963you said the price of trucks, that graph is the average for all cars. the current gen silverado has been on sale since 2019 before covid and its msrp has tracked basically perfectly with inflation.
>>28748971GM are even worse, they want to punish you for being poor.
>>28748974Cool. The opposite happened to the F150.https://wolfstreet.com/2025/11/28/new-vehicle-inflation-the-wolf-street-ford-f-150-xlt-toyota-camry-le-price-index-going-back-to-1990-v-cpi/
>>28749002the current gen f-150 msrp has actually lowered in price since it came out when adjusting for inflation. i can make you another cool infograph it you want when my meeting's over.
>>28749004>the current gen f-150 msrp has actually lowered in price since it came out when adjusting for inflation.>current genTotally unserious response considering this entire convo is about 10+ year price changes.
>>28748830nice reading comprehension, ESL anon, but I wasn't literally agreeing that the Mirage has some sort of god-given exemption. its a different car, with different mileage, produced by a company that has different corporate strategies and corporate average fleet fuel economies. the comparison the two is disingenuous and you're a faggot retard for making me waste the time to explain this to you.
>>28749004Untrue. MSRP for the XLT was $30,985 which should be $38,473 today. It currently starts at $40,000.
>>28748833>A few grand is not a massive penalty and those cost are just passed onto the consumer.Okay, so you're a moron. Gotcha. Don't reply to me ever again.
>>28749010that's one trim. some trims actually reduced in price, not even accounting for inflation. which is actually kinda crazy.
>>28749010>>28749017Not even. The XLT is $48k. The base model is $40k and started at $26,882 which is actually even worse.
>>28749005much harder to compare the price of models across generations though since you have to account for feature creep. if you want though we can check the price increases of each of the last couple gens individually. think that would be worth looking at?
>>28749009>hondas corporate strategy is that they don’t want to sell small cars while Mitsubishi didSo once again cafe had shit to do with it. It was not illegal to sell the fit.
>>28749011And you’re a bus rider without a driver’s license. Don’t bother posting until you own a car.
>>28749028>"PUREASU MISUTA OBAMUNA, WE REARI WANTTO TU SERRU OUWA NU KURUMA, HONDAAAAA FITTO, BUTTO AMERIKAJIN REGGULATION TO-">"UHH...LET ME BE CLEAR...THE...HONDA FIT, IS, UHH...ILLEGAL. TO SELL IN THE UNITED STATES. UHH. MY ADMINISTRATION. IS COMMITTED. TO ENSURING THAT. UHH. EVERY AMERICAN IS DRIVING AN. AMERICAN MADE. FORD F-150. BY THE END OF THE YEAR. GET THAT ASS BANNED.">"N-NO...OBAMUNA-SAN...PUREASU...">"You heard the man. Get that ass banned, Jack.
>>28749028corporate strategies are influenced by the regulatory climate... are you genuinely retarded or trolling? the only thing mitsu sells are small little cuckboxes, they have more flexibility regarding CAFE.
>>28749037you jest but this is unironically what is happening, except you missed the part where some Ford cocksucking lobbyist pushed for CAFE rules that intentionally punish smaller cars
>>28749040Corporate strategies are influenced by market decisions. If small segment cars were popular, the manufacturers would be scrambling to produce them. Are you retarded or don’t know what supply and demand is?>all Mitsubishi produces is small cuck boxesNo they don’t. They produce crossovers as big as Hondas in every segment. There is no reason to not sell the fit other than Honda just giving up. It’s as retarded as saying ford and gm can’t produce the Malibu/fusion because of cafe while Honda/toyota does. Ford and gm just doesn’t want to. Cafe has shit to do with it.
>>28749041I fucking hate Ford
>>28749040Did they lobby for something that got them “punished” in Europe, too, or did they discontinue them there for “market strategy” reasons.
>>28749052Look, in earnest, its both. People are faggots and want SUVs, but manufacturers have lobbied to make only such vehicles viable if you're the odd few that isn't in on the craze. Ford and GM don't care to prop up their respective cuckbox offerings and stayed true to producing fuckhuge landyachts by forcing CAFE regulations that intentionally favoured their fagmobiles over something like a Fit. However, compact cars are still popular and in demand. People do still want them. The japanese still sell many.
>>28749060Meant for>>28749041
>>28749060Since when did the Big 3 sell land yachts like Suburbans, F150s and Tahoes in Europe? What would they exactly be lobbying in favour of as opposed to in the US where they clearly have a product line CAFE advantages?
>>28749067That’s exactly what I’m saying. Why is the fiesta and focus dead in Europe while other small cars are still being sold there?
Anything and everything to throw yall off the scent of them epstien files. First yall were down to turn the other cheek over 2 grand now you're down to turn the other cheek to have the opportunity to buy something. Sad and pathetic, what a shame.
>>28749071Look, normally I would agree. But its Ford. It can simply be explained as them being retarded. They can hardly make normal working cars and they're jumping into the EV game. Their CEO is braindead.
>>28748351Is there a video of this? I love the way he talks.
>>28748355Grow some balls you pathetic little bitch.
>>28749063They’re simply not in demand enough, and all the jap brands make most of their money selling the same large vehicles. So I don’t know why we’re pretending this is a big three vs Japan thing when Japan has everything to gain by not wasting r&d making these cars. Do you know how much jap manufactures hate kei cars? They only produce them because they are forced to in Japan. They make virtually no money off them and if they had to survive off the sales of those alone they would’ve went under long time ago.
>>28749101Doesn't help that the JP public is disincentivized from owning any kind of car at all. You're literally banned from purchasing one if you don't own or rent a parking space within walking distance of your home.
>>28748623Can anyone, anyone, show me midsize sedans (roughly 42 to 45 "sqft footprint") that average 40mpg made since 2016.Anyone at all.And no I'm not talking about a prius or an accord hybrid, I mean the average midsize sedan market.Hell we can even include CUVs.Because I haven't seen even the most shrunk down pissbaby turbo engine, midsize 4 door car have a ratings AVERAGE above 35. Ever.So where are all these cars that have been mandated since 2016.Once we have this question explained,I need you to point out to me how even a rollback to 2015 standard is going to "fix the car market"Because cars, on average, meeting these reqs DO NOT EXIST.This yet-another-trumpshit move is going to CHANGE NOTHING.
>>28749121A) he already reduced the fines to $0 back with the Big Beautiful Bill in july. B) no cars meeting the standard is even worse because that means these companies have been paying the government an $x fine for every single car they sell, which gets passed on to the consumer (just like tarrifs, you know?)
>>28749127So you're saying that the fines and the costs that the car manufacturers incur are passed on to the consumer of us making cars more expensive??? And that dissolution of these fines would allow manufacturers to sell their vehicles at more reasonable prices????
>>28749127Again, AGAIN,There have been no sedan fleets sold since 2015 that actually meet the mandated AVERAGE fuel economy of the 2015 requirement. Not today, not new 2021-2025 platforms, nothing.So explain to me how going back to even 2016 or 2015 standard is achieving anything at all.
>>28749132>And that dissolution of these fines would allow manufacturers to sell their vehicles at more reasonable prices????Where does this delusion that manufacturers will lower costs out of the goodness of their hearts keep coming from? If cars are selling at current prices with increasing revenue year of year, fees included, why the FUCK would they pass up the opportunity to profit gouge essentially for free??
>>28749132lol are you having a spaz attack
>>28749135Damn dude you are really emotionally invested in government regulations. Chill out.
These threads are like finding a reddit thread about some specific question I know half of, and seeing a hundred people spout complete retardation from their mouths, and seeing the one good post that has the other half of the information I need halfway down the comments and barely upvoted.It's amazing how fucking stupid all of you really are.https://youtu.be/uyRFRF44iCI&t=242
>>28748355>I don't see who would buy these cars though. No one buys the sub compact segment already and people will realize they will die if they get into an accident with a 6000lb truck or EVOne feeds off each other, the CAFE standards set by Obama made the super large killdozer trucks, before these CAFE standards there was compact cars all over like the Mini Cooper. The city dweller wants a small car because of parking restraints but is terrified of the goliath trucks, the suburban soccer mom wants a van or hatchback. Right now both are getting fucked over.
>>28749140In my country you could be arrested for using spaz as an insult
>>28748450>I don't think we should focus on kei cars too muchMake subcompacts and small trucks great again.
>>28749159lol sucks to be you i live in america with a based president who calls people retarded on twitter
>>28749157>the CAFE standards set by Obama made the super large killdozer trucksNope.>the suburban soccer mom wants a van or hatchbackNope.
>>28748914you missed my point entirely americans WILL buy cheaply produced compacts IF THEY HAVE A V8 AND AN AIR CONDITIONER.you can make a fun cheap car but you can't take some euro market crap like a ford focus, peugot 206, mazda 3, civic, yaris, vw golf or m35i and expect us to like this bullshit.these might sell but nobody will actually want them, you can't ween a cat off fried chicken onto dried catfood after having the good shit for years.why the fuck would I want some korean compact with a 1.9l when we used to have 5 liter 5 speeds for cheaper.you can't make us buy horseshit boring npc cars for these insane prices when we can still buy comparative rocket-cars for a tenth of the cost.
Id trade in my used 1500 for a little Toyota if it actually has balls, a competent 4x4 and is legitimately less than $20k.I think it'd take on a camper well, very stripped down too so it'd be easy to DIY a camper/living type setup.
>>28748628I'm pretty sure you can keep producing it after introducing it as long as there are no significant mechanical changes
>>28748355t. big 3 executive
>>28748732>150hp simply doesn't cut it in our modern times.You do realize you're on /o/, right? Are you trying to start a riot?
>>28749172>why the fuck would I want some korean compact with a 1.9l when we used to have 5 liter 5 speeds for cheaper....Muscle car owner and enthusiast here. This was never the case, what the fuck?Most people in the golden age were running 6-cyls and small blocks below 300ci like the 273 LA (top trim engine in the Third Gen Dart and the only available V8 in the lineup) or the Ford 289 (top trim for the original Mustang). The idea that everyone was blasting it down main street with a 390 or 440 is peak boomerlore. Your average compact in the 60's and 70's was just as much of a wheezer as the average compact is today.
>>28749197retard
>>28749198Sorry that you thought you could skate by with a blatant and stupid lie. Look at the bottom-tier shitbox compact from any manufacturer in the muscle era and you'll see it's running an i6 or smaller as the cheapest possible option. This was even the case for legendary lineups like the Challenger.The idea that every car was a V8-sporting fire-breathing torque monster is a lie espoused solely to pump prices at Barrett Jackson and you fell for it. Even in the golden age most people drove cars that struggled to crank themselves up to 80 MPH.
>>28749204stupid ass thinks im talking about unobtanium chrysler turds and not 90s mustangs over the current market cars.
>>28749211...The only 5 liter V8s in 90's Mustangs were in Cobras and GTs, the MOST EXPENSIVE TRIMS FOR THOSE CARS. Are you really trying to say that those were cheaper than the wheezer compacts of their era??>b-b-b-b-but I mean they were cheaper then than they were now-EVERYTHING was cheaper then it was now you fucking retard. Prices can't go down macroeconomically, you might as well wish for when you could get fresh bottled milk at your doorstep every day.
>>28749217shut up nigger every fucking mustang after 83 had the 302 or 2.3the 255ci v8 and 200ci i6 was only in it from 80-82.fuckin not playing debate club with you niglet, a 30 year old mustang is still the winning deal over a chink slopbox made either 5 minutes or 30 years ago.go pay a fucking prostitute to paddle your fat fucking stupid ass like your dad should've.
>>28748459>Trump do bad policy = cringe>Trump do good policy = basedthat's how it works yeahyou're never getting a politican who's policies are gonna be 100% good
>>28749232>every fucking mustang after 83 had the 302The 302 was 4.9L besides the HiPo which, again, was the top option for the car.>pedantry!!!!You're the one that said 5Ls were cheaper than wheezer compacts which is retarded untrue revisionism.>a 30 year old mustang is still the winning deal over a chink slopbox made either 5 minutes or 30 years ago.Then why are you crying about there not being V8 shitboxes in 2025? Go buy a foxbody right now just like everyone else who wants a cheap V8. This is exactly the reason why modern shitboxes won't sell.
I see a lot of comments focused on Kei carsI don't actually think anyone's going to make Kei-style cars, just smaller, and possibly cheaper, carsMy brothers in Christ I just want Jeep to partner with Suzuki and make Jimneys, I could care less about whose badge is on the front
>>28749185If that were the case, there should be more reason for small cars to still be produced as they could easily just be “grand fathered” in. There is really no excuse for manufacturers to not produce these cars, let alone axe them when they started production even before the mirage.
>>2874923279 Mustang had the 302, then the energy crisis caused it to be replaced with a debored 255 V8 in 80-81, and the 302 was brought back in 82.
>>28749258The DRZ went unchanged for like, two decades
>>28749204In fact yes most cars in the 60s were I6 or small block V8s.
>>28749217>Prices can't go down macroeconomicallyEvery economic downturn in the US up to 1929 was accompanied by 10% or more deflation. That was the norm back then. When a crash happened, demand for goods decreased and so did prices. That only doesn't happen anymore because the government since the Depression has made it intentional policy to prevent deflation from happening like it did in the 19th century.
>>28749235>you're never getting a politican who's policies are gonna be 100% goodThe problem is more that everyone has a different idea of what "good" is.
>>28749232These maxed out at 210 HP. They were dogshit. You can unironically gap this with a hybrid civic.You pay way less for horsepower today comparatively.
>>28749255>just smaller, and possibly cheaper, carsI think that's really what we need and want. These regulations that did away with small, practical cars/trucks was stupid and counter-productive to reach the goals that the climate commies wanted in the first place. As government does, they made it complicated and they failed horribly.
>>28749272>guys, I figured out how to decrease prices>all we need to do is crash the economy, starve thousands, and bankrupt literally everyone
>>28749276>These regulations that did away with small, practical cars/trucks was stupid and counter-productive to reach the goals that the climate commies wanted in the first placeThe problem is more that you can't force people to drive a 1.3L tin can simply by legislative fiat.
>>28748351There's nothing stopping them from building them right now besides 'muh profits'. My GF drives a Chevy Spark
>>28749272it's kind of an asspull anyway because over time some consumer goods have gotten cheaper especially electronics and appliances while cars and houses have gotten pricier with time
>>28749284NORMIES GET OUT REEEEEE
>>28748351Ancap here. This is actually not a bad idea. Ban school buses, make every kid have a micro car like in Japan and South Korea instead of a bike. Daihatsu, Kia, you name it.Pros:-They learn responsibility to keep their car as good as possible.-No need for communist buses anymore.-Manufacturers earn money this way since every new year millions of children need to buy a micro car to get to school.
>>28749286tbqh he didn't say his girlfriend wasn't a tranny
>>28749275non wrencher kwab
>>28749297>heh.............nice argument anon, but did you know you can improve cars?Everyone knows this you stupid faggot. If this is what you default to then who cares about what manufacturers make at all? Just put an aftermarket Viper V10 in it.
>>28749283No one ever needed to be forced to buy small displacement tin cans that got the job done and didn't break the bank to maintain.
>>28749274That too, yeah. But even if a politician shares the same "good" as you do, his policies won't be 100% aligned to you.
>>28749313>posts truck that existed mostly thanks to the OPEC era
>>28749319>>28749274>>28749235That is some very deep political analysis there, Reddit.
>>28749325I didn0t mean it to be deep. Just wanted to call the original post dumb with his "Trump bad when stupid policy yesterday, Trump nice with good policy now?!!!!"
the death of small cars had its roots way back. in the late 90s before anyone dreamed of Obama nobody was buying them they were buying these oversized rolling hunks of shit.
>>28749340forgot pic
>>28749324Are we out of the OPEC era? Regardless, smaller vehicles were immensely popular all the way through the 90s in the US.
>>28749365Small trucks had stopped serving a purpose once gas prices dropped in the late 80s but since manufacturers had invested all kinds of money in them they had to just run with it for a while and produce them until they made back their R&D costs.
>>28749368the turning point was when the Hilux and Hardbody were pulled from the US market in the late 90s and replaced with locally manufactured truck models
>>28749246Hipo was standard trim for all sports 4.9s from about 88 onwards. It's printed on oh i forget, either the manifold or the upper.I would know, I owned two foxes and a bird, and I had some smug pinoy ae86 faggot, way back in 2013, laugh and tell me I only had 150hp.>oh see they derated those engines later>and the barges only had 160hp>and blah blah fucking blahWhy is everyone just so god damn stupid.
>>28749376Well yeah but it might have also been because it was a pain in the butt to evade the chicken tax by having to partially assemble them at port.
>>28749368>stopped serving a purpose once gas prices dropped in the late 80sI remember those days fondly. I could keep my car going with the change in my center console because gas was around $.85 per gallon. Now that it's $6 per gallon in Cali, maybe it's time for these smaller, more efficient and no-nonsense vehicles to make a comeback.
>>28749376why do weebs jerk off to those things anyway? they're useless for actual truck duties. way too small to haul or tow anything.
>>28749388Ah yes the late 80s when making $9/hr was a good wage and gas floated at under a dollar per.Ah yes compared to today's $30/hr and $3.50Life was so much cheaper then wasn't it.Yes, yes of course.
>>28749392after Reagan rescued us from Carternomics, yes things were good and cost of living was cheap again
>>28749378>Hipo was standard trim for all sports 4.9s from about 88 onwardsso, the high trim models? lolsounds like you got carmogged and never got over it. why are you here?
still chicken tax'd and safety standardsno hilux for /o/tards no matter what they saynobody's spinning up a factory to undercut their own product either
>>28749388too bad those things rusted in half instantly in road salt states
>>28749392The cost of living is going up like a rocket while wages aren't following. Quality of life was absolutely better. Maybe it's time to take measures to make it more affordable for more people again. We might even have a little fun along the way.
>>28749390Compact pickups were mostly starter vehicles for young men back then, it was more of a lifestyle vehicle and not something bought to do work tasks with.
>>28749403>road salt statesDo states still do this? Even when I lived in Alaska a decade ago, they were already using some sort of spray that supposedly didn't have the side effect of going Thanos on everyone's vehicles.
>>28748450Bring back cheap, small, RWD cars.Fuck.
>>28749382They put up with that as long as they thought US sales were strong enough to be worth the effort, by the 90s it was perceived as just easier to design a different truck for the US market.
>>28748459>nooo it's only one or the otherRetard.
>>28749415Alaska has never really used salt, it's primarily a Northeast and especially Midwest thing because the majority of the nation's road salt is manufactured in Michigan.
>>28749420I HATE THE ROAD SALT ANTICHRIST
>>28748351This would have been nice in the 80s, when Toyota trucks here were already small.I drive a 20 year old crossover as my daily driver, and I feel downright tiny even next to soccer mom vehicles, let alone F-250s and F-350s.I can't imagine ever wanting to use a Kei car or truck in the US now. It would be insanely dangerous. People use them on rural farmland, but there's no way anyone would drive them on a road unless they had a death wish. Over half the drivers on our roads don't even have valid licenses, and around half of those are illegals from india, africa, and random spic shitholes who think flipping a tractor trailer by going 110mph in a 55mph when it's sleeting out by trying to hairpin turn drift it is fine because they do that back in their shithole home countries.I remember when I was a kid, truckers were paid well and had to go through a lot of training. Also, they were required to drive at or below the posted speed limit, and do it in the rightmost lane (unless they were on a specially designated trucking highway like in New Jersey).now people without even a basic driver's license can get behind the wheel of an 18 wheeler, even hazmat.
28749425not replying to this boomer forum copypaste
>>28748450I WANT A JIMMY
I want a Miata. I also want a Corvette. I like both cars. You will not make me fit into one category :)
This board is unusable. There’s no discussion on any actual implications from this it’s just bait and derailment just because Drumpf is mentioned. Why are you guys like this?
>>28748351I will laugh uproariously when those small cars and their passengers get splattered all over the road by some unthinking lout in a jacked-up 4x4.
>>28749462trump haters have a mental illness called tds. it consumes them. lol
>>28748459They serve different purposes. People in cities can absolutely use cheap tiny kei cars to get around and find parking. If you're just a kid trying to hoon, a kei car is also nice, just a big go kart. If you live in the midwest, having a hoking 10L V8 in a normal sized GR86 sized car is awesome.
>>28749485that explains everything.>most Democrat voter are urban bugmen>Obama try to legislate into existence cars that will be mostly useful to urban bugmen>that of course disregards the fact that they're not useful for a lot of the rest of us
>>28749462There's plenty of discussion, it's just that it can only go so far when the discussion is "this doesn't do anything" versus "nuh uh"
>>28749460>I also want a Corvette.I love the aesthetic of the C4, but I keep reading that they're a bear to maintain.
>>28748731back in the day, they had to make AIslop by hand
>>28748351When President Trump wins, America wins!
>>28748450>actually thinking anything will happenCompanies have abandoned sub compacts because larger vehicles have a higher profit marginNormies have been buying Ford Escapes in Bronco cosplay hand over fistHim authorizing "the production" means absolutely nothingNo manufacturer is lining up to build their own flavor of the Mirage or Fit as the language here would suggest
>>28748351Will America fall in love with hatchbacks once again?
>>28749618no one is cross shopping a half ton with a subcompact. if they ignore the small car market they simply lose market share in that segment.
>>28749618>larger vehicles have a higher profit marginI realize that I'm a retard when it comes to the auto industry, but making vehicles with less material that are simpler, so you need a smaller supply of replacement parts (which they're required to manufacture) seems like a winning financial proposition. I'm not saying the CAFE suspension will entirely enable this without rolling back some of the unnecessary and extraordinary safety requirements, but it's certainly a start.>>28749656>they simply lose market share in that segmentI also believe this to be a valid consideration.
>>28749656>no one is cross shopping a half ton with a subcompactYou're right but I have no idea how that statement connects with my postThe Bronco Sport is not a half ton>if they ignore the small car market they simply lose market share in that segmentYesYou have to be from North America and over 18 years old to post in this thread btw
>>28748355Ok so you need to be even bigger truck and load it with concrete so it has the mass. Every year increase the size of both the car and slab of concrete for safety.
>>28749695>>28749696kek btfo
>>28748761SmartCar was 22k$ when that was a lot of money
>>28748980Nigha what? Compare Ford inventory prices to Silverado
>>28749640Nah, they lack taste. They've killed 90% of their good car models by now.
>>28749835hatchbacks aren't for people with taste they're for people with low testosterone and income.
>>28749284>There's nothing stopping them from building them right now besides 'muh profits'.Crash safety regulations?
>>28749836I had no idea I was poor and a little bitch. Thanks for the heads up. What should I save up for to be a real man like you?
>>28749852no vehicle purchase will make you a man like me, sorry.
>>28748761The Smart ForTwo had bad fuel economy (worse than the Mitsubishi Mirage's) and required premium gasoline to boot.
>>28749857Guess I'll just resign myself to the hatch then. Thanks for saving me the expense of even trying, fren.
Hyundai Porter is likely closer to meeting U.S. safety standards than Japanese kei trucks. Japanese kei trucks can't be imported into S. Korea because of the minimum collision impact safety standard that S. Korea imposes on all passenger vehicles while Japan has special exemptions for kei trucks.
>>28748351Hands down the best president of the last 100 years at least. Easily top 5 if not top 3 of all time.
>>28748355If it functions and it's cheap enough it's a shitload better than a scooter or ebike or whatever other chinese incendiary devices the poors ride around on these days.
>>28749899Not really, standards have just gotten so fucking low in the last 50+ years that Trump seems like Alexander the Great by comparison.
>>28748374no they didn't. for every Fiesta I saw I saw 20 F150s. there was precisely one (1) point in American history where we actually bought small cars, and that was in the 80s. and it was only because American cars were so spitefully awful that we had no choice but to buy Japanese imports, which were small simply because the Japs didn't understand how big America is.
>>28748476>you don't NEED a military-grade Assault Rifle 15
>>28748355America is full of thirdies now, and they're used to these tiny vehicles.
>>28749899Organic /o/ post for sure.
>>28749518They’re fine. I’ve had a few. Just don’t get an auto. The 4L60 sucks cock. Doug nash sucks too because it’s a manual with an auto. ZF6 C4s, especially with an LT1/LT4/LT5 are god tier.
>>28749939>point in American history where we actually bought small cars, and that was in the 80s. and it was only because American cars were so spitefully awful that we had no choice but to buy Japanese importsI'm pretty sure that OPEC had something to do with that tbqh.
>>28750471>nooo you can't just like the current sitting President noooTDS.
>>28748732Chevy Trax is 132hp and 3000lbs
>>28748741Yeah but I didn't get the impression any import restrictions would be lifted. Trump said companies could produce them here. New units, built with American (H1-B) labor.
>>28749191>>28749197>>28749204Reading those posts was like stumbling upon a time traveller from 2010 /o/. Godspeed, good anon.
>>28750555The Chevy trax simply doesn't cut it in our modern times
>>28748803They sell crossovers because that's what people buy you fucking retard. More taller more safer, duh
>>28750964No you don't understand it's some magical conspiracy. People don't actually like vehicles with better visibility, ease of entry and exit, cargo room etc.
>>28749462There are no implications. It was never illegal to make a kei car in the US. Remmber that Smart cars existed. He didn't get rid of import restrictions or tariffs, so you won't get a Hilux Champ. He didn't get rid of federal regulations, so you won't be seeing that either. Nothing changes, and nothing is going to change. This is just so retards can cheer about "le something" being done about shit instead of actually taking the time to read and realize that literally nothing is going to change.
>>28748355Weebs will buy them, even if they are American cars.
>>28750981>It was never illegal to make a kei car in the USwhich is why they can't be driven on the road in half the states.
28750981ignore this disinfo tranny
>>28749851I'm sorry, do you think the president can get rid of those? You realize states can just tell you to go fuck yourself and not allow you to register the vehicle, yes? That's what has happened with imported kei cars.
>>28750985And they will remain illegal. Why do you think this changes any of that?
>>28750986Don't make me tap the board, anon.
>>28750988>>28750985if you live in California you deserve what you get lol
>>28750996>retard thinks this is about CaliforniaYou're a literal retard low information faggot.
>>28751000I live in an orange state and there's only nine that totally bans them so that's not too bad.
>>28751002It's not bad for niche enthusiasts, but car brands aren't going to develop tooling and take up space to make shit that is restricted in some of the most populous portions of the country when the areas that don't ban them are content with half ton pickups. I'm just telling you the truth. Nothing is going to change.
>>28751003since when was Iowa or Nevada among the most densely populated states anyway?
>>28751008I'm mostly talking about that orange and red in the north-east, anon, you know, where the colonies were. Look, nobody would want to buy something like an S600 more than me. I want what you want. The problem is that I don't believe that it's possible like this, and you know it's true. This is cope, and you need to accept that. Nothing is going to change. Do not delude yourself.
>>28751030oh no you can drive kei trucks in the orange states but there may be some regulations on their use. only red totally bans them.
>>28751034Yes, anon, but that usually means they're going to be second vehicles in places where most people live in dense cities. Given the choice, most people aren't going to buy a tiny cuckmobile. It's just not viable.
>>28748474Yes, but they're related. There's a reason Tacomas and Rangers keep getting bigger and it's emissions. A Tacoma today is as big as a Tundra from 20 years ago. You can scale those down if you strip bag emissions.
>>28751209Trump can't order that there be no emissions standards. He just removed the hiking of the standards by 2% down to 0.5%. No car is going to be allowed to roll back to a prior standard.
what he means by this is he's going to allow cars to be smaller by getting rid of safety standards. It already wasn't illegal to build small cars as long as you built them to certain safety standards. You all are cheering the fact that he's made 2 tiers of products, one cheap, shitty, and unsafe for poor people who will die in them and one expensive and safe for rich people.
>>28748355They would honestly be good with cities. Drive down a neighborhood street in Chicago with cars parked on both sides and passing an oncoming car and youll wish your car was smaller.
>>28748588How is wanted more options hypocrisy you tard?
>>28751216All these people bending over backwards to interpret what he means and how it will be implemented when he himself doesn't have the faintest idea
>>28749940No, thankfully I am affluent enough to afford an AR15 that far exceeds the performance, longevity, and appearance of lowest-bidder military grade junk.
>>28751000Kei trucks usually don't have AC, so I can see why they would be banned in the hotter desert states where kids would fry to death in less than 5 minutes.I live in Texas, it's hot, but I'd use it to commute 7 minutes to my job.
>>28751216>unsafe for poor people who will die in them and one expensive and safe for rich peopleWrong>cheap unsafe shitbox for men who just want to commute to their shit job>expensive and safe for stupid women who can't drive that love debtmaxxing>expensive and oversized for dicklets and manlets
>>28751517You can buy a smart car right now. Why didn't you? You could have bought any number of small cars throughout the years and you didn't. You're not going to buy a new Kei car that's going to cost $20k minimum anyway. You're going to bitch and complain that it's not cheap enough, and then they're going to keep selling xboxhueg SUVs and Trucks because that's what Americans want to drive. Get used to it.
>>28751563I specifically said Kei trucks. I'd even buy a compact truck if they still made them.Can a smart car easily carry 4x8 sheet goods?Can a smart car easily carry a grill so I can make BBQ in the parking lot for my workplace's potluck?Can a smart car easily carry bales of hay for hayrides?>You're going to bitch and complain that it's not cheap enoughOf course because I can already see that lobbyists will pull some bullshit to get politicians to artificially inflate prices, so "normal" trucks can still compete.>SUVs and Trucks because that's what Americans want to driveThey want to drive status symbols pushed by marketing. Just ask anyone why they chose to buy this or that vehicle and most of the time they won't have a good reason. Ask a woman why she bought an SUV if she's a childless cat-lady. Ask a man why he bought a truck, if he never loads anything in the bed or tows anything.
>>28750981This guy knows.
>>28748784>it just adds thousands of dollars to the price bro>that doesn’t matter broKys
>>28748857Except the smart car was complete shit. It was a novelty. It wasn’t cheaper, more fuel efficient, or had any utility that a Kei type truck might have. Nothing is stopping other vehicles from filling the cheap niche except existing regulations.
>>28748883>fundamentally niche By regulation, not by market forces you fucking mongoloid
>>28748938> attempting to show people that they're getting anally raped by their government.By removing regulations and lessening government involvement in our lives?
>>28751791If it mattered people would’ve stopped buying cars during Covid when dealers were adding thousands to the price of everything due to scarcity. Guess what, they didn’t.>>28751830Kei trucks themselves are the novelty. I hope you aren’t retarded enough to think any normal person wants them. Maybe they could replace a side by side. But no one is replace regular trucks with them.
>>28749139Because if one of them does they will steal a market share from their competition. If a Civic drops a few thousand in price compared to a Corolla people will buy the civic. If Ford drops the F150 by $2k they’ll gain sales from GM and Ram. The only way to avoid that is for no one to do it, but they all have personal incentives to be the one to drop prices from no fines.
>>28751844People finance cars, not buy them outright. A few grand on a financed vehicle makes very little difference compared to offering zero percent APR or zero down. There are cars that do this, and they still fail to steal sales from anyone. You’re also ignoring brand loyalty. No one who has only bought from a particular brand will be swayed by 2-4k off msrp. Especially when they finance anyway and APR is a far bigger incentive to sign on.Plenty of examples where manufacturers tried to undercut the competition on price to the point of selling at a loss, and still failed to steal customers or even get their competitors to lower price in response.
>>28751872I’m also going to preemptively address Chinese cars, since I know someone will mention them as an example of low prices working in the manufacturer’s favor. China sells their shit so low for the amount of money it cost to r&d/build everything that it would be business suicide for any manufacturer to even try to match them.
>>28749696The bronco sport buyers, regardless of the 300 lb you are quibbling about, aren't shopping compacts.It's a totally separate market.City life and parking will dramatically improve with these half size cars.Now, I am currently shopping F250s and live on the land, so I don't care, but it is for sure a market ready for making money for someone.
>>28752241If more people knew that the water pump in every Bronco sport was a ticking Time Bomb I'm sure they would stop buying them
>>28752241Jews will divide every normal parking spot in half to double their money. The number of cars won't decrease, it'll probably increase. The problem with cars in the city isn't really so much the *size* of the cars, it's how many retards are driving them. More cars, more retards, more traffic.
>>28750594For women it does. And unfortunately they allowed out of the home on their own
>>28751216> and unsafe for poor people who will die in themWhat’s the problem?
>>28751838> But no one is replace regular trucks with them.When did I say they would you strawmanning faggot? It’s not a daily driver and that’s fine. >replace a SxSExactly you tard. If you aren’t doing much offroading it’s the same size, same price, but is street legal right away and can carry more shit. Makes sense for hobby farms and small acreages who will still have a full sized truck or suv.
>>28751838>adding thousands to the price of everything due to scarcity>a permanent fine is the same as market anomalies You’re an idiot
>>28751872> People finance cars, not buy them outright.Because a new vehicle is nearly $50k. Poorfags can’t buy outright because they’re poor. The shrinking middle class or upper-middle can drop $20-30k on a vehicle if they have to pay interest. >A few grand on a financed vehicle makes very little difference compared to offering zero percent APRAnd when they don’t offer that? For example, at 7% on a 6 year loan if you drop from say $43k to $40k that’s a drop of $51 from $733 to $682. That’s noticeable when so many people have no wiggle room on month to month cash flows. Change 43 and 40 to 33 and 30 it’s the same $51 saved but a 9% reduction in your payment. If you say that doesn’t matter you’re retarded.
