The electric car was invented a century ago. In that entire time, the gas car has always out performed it in sales. That means it will continue to do so.
I'm glad I don't live in a farm anymore. If you think maintaining a car is a chore then you've never taken care of a karen in equine format. They will hate you for no reason at all and will try to literally kill you when you don't do as they say.
>>28764502>this is just like that other totally different thing>it failed 15 times before and that means it's going to succeed this time
>>28764502This is why your shitty combustion engine's days are counted
>>28764916as opposed to numbered?
>>28764916the moment BEVs are majority the state will do the rugpull and implement new targeted taxes (looking at bongistan)The last thing a BEV enjoyer should shill for is the disapperance of gas cars lol.
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>>28764599well yeah they're literally bigger and stronger than you
>>28764599And they die from needing to burp or from lying down for a nap
>>28765059If EV sales were as good as they claim, they wouldn't be making misleading graphs.
>>28765059I love how these graphs always have to include hybrids to inflate the scores when they still use combustion engines, effectively nullifying the point.
>>28764958In pennsylvania as of april of this year you now have to pay an extra $500 when you register or update your registration on any full electric and plug in hybrid vehicle thanks to not paying the gas tax with them.Naturally this will increase as time goes on like all taxes do.
>>28765525Forgot to make comparative.Lets say you have two ford fusions, one a regular hybrid sel and the other an energi sel.Both have the same fully electric range and are basically identical.The only difference between them is one has plug in charging and the other charges while driving to use its electric assist.The energi sel will cost $500 more dollars to register every year now thanks to this.
>>28764502>The electric car was invented a century ago. In that entire time, the gas car has always out performed it in sales.The First EVs were built in the 1820s, two centuries ago. There were commercial EV sales in the later 1800s and early 1900s. EVs outsold ICE vehicles until the 1910's. ICE have outsold them since, yes.I'm not sure what strawman you're trying to setup here, but I just had to clear that up.
>>28764502And horses as transportation has been around for 10,000 years
>>28765136It took 20 years from the horse peak to 10%. Looks like the ICEV is on track.>>28765136They're a transitional tech. The electric motor propels the car, while the gas engine just generates electricity. Eventually that will be replaced or removed entirely.
>>28765541The comparison is two competing things both being around for centuries, doesn't mean the status quo will remain the same.
>coping so fucking hard you have to ignore current times
>>28764502Its funny despite all of the subsidies and artificial investments, the bottom fell out the moment the tax money stopped propping up the industry
i was going to buy an EV but then i remembered i don't suck dick or drink cum
>>28764916>own graph shows progress has tapered off and EVs are still wildly uncompetitive
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>>28768034>25 million total salesthere are single ICE models that sell that much
>>28768052The chart is not cumulative. The Toyota Corolla is the only ICEV that has sold a total of more than 25 million, at 50 million, and it took 55 years
>>28768034>3 year stagnation everywhere but china
Sorry EV owners but electricity is needed for AI datacenters, no charging for you.
>>28768153No problem. Home solar panels and batteries are enough to power an EV, and even EV charging and normal household usage cannot be distinguished.But we'll have to shut down all the oil refineries. A medium sized one uses about 50MW of power. I hope you like $10/gallon gasoline.
>>28768162Sorry solar panel owners but electricity is needed for AI datacenters, no slurping sunbeams for you.
>>28770198>he thinks they'll turn off the sun
>>28770228>you think they wouldn't if they couldlmao, lol even.
>>28770812And they wouldn't make all gas cars on earth not start if they could?
>>28768162>Home solar panels and batteries are enough to power an EVHahahahahahhahahahahaFuck no theyre not.A 100w solar panel will give you about 30 amp hours per day.The smallest tesla battery pack is 60,000 amp hour. Thats 2,000 panels that are 2 foor by 4 foot to charge your car.16,000 square feet.Thats 100ft X 160ftA football field is 360ft X 160ft for those that are having trouble visualizing that>b-but I dont need a full charge every dayYou also wont get full sun every day.And since youre not at home during the day that means you need a $10,000 battery bank for storage.I like the concept of EVs.But the tech isnt there yet.
>>2877109140 miles per day avg is about 10kwh. A home residential solar install ranges from 15-40kwh per day, depending on size. So charging a car is easy. Plenty of people with home solar get $0 electric bills and charge their car.
>>28771091You’re confusing Amp-hours with Watt-hours. A Tesla doesn't have a '60,000 amp-hour' battery; it has a 60 kilowatt-hour (kWh) battery. Because those batteries run at 400 volts, that’s actually only about 150 Amp-hours, not 60,000. You’re basically calculating the energy needs of the car as if it were a giant AA battery, which inflates the number of panels you need by about 400 times.
>>28771101A 12kwh setup is $20,000.
>>28771104Oh look another fucking retard that doesnt understand electricity.5 amps from a 12v solar panel is going to be like 0.1 amps in a 400v system.
>>28771374Pretty inexpensive, especially when you consider the monthly loan payment evens out or is cheaper than the electric bill savings.>>2877139Why don't you use watts so you don't need to do your conversions which you're bad at? Watts are the same no matter what voltage the current is converted to. A basic 400 watt solar panel is 7 times more powerful than what you're calculating.
>>28764502cope
>>28764502Make a 60 l tank sized and weighted battery that recharges from empty to full in 5 minutes and has a range of 500 km no matter the temperature. Also it can't lose any more than 10% of it's capacity over 30 years and comes packaged with an electric motor with an open source OS and is a €10k conversion kit. Then I'll buy it, otherwise fuck off.
>>28764958They already are my man.Here in the people's republic of Portland (Formerly Oregon) EV's are already seeing higher registration fees and taxes.This is an overall trend though. As state services get worse, they absolutely, positively MUST take as much money from the productive parts of society to teach unruly brown people to play fetch, house homeless drug addled hobo TRASH, and pay bennies to goblinas with 9 month calendars who are CONSTANTLY shitting out little goblins.
>>28771392>5A @ 12 = 60W> X amps @ 400v = 60W>60/400 = .15AYour math is actually correct, that's basically a first for 4chan dorks talking about electricity =P
>>28771566Nah, it's way off. 5A * 12V = 60w, which is several times less than a 400w solar panel that goes for $300.
>>28768078>The chart is not cumulative.I know, retard, I used that as an example of how little EVs actually have been sold in the grand scheme of thingsEVs are already rotting in dealer lots, government subsidies are ending and manufacturers themselves are cancelling electrification and you dimwits are smugly busting out extrapolation bias like theres some sort of victory
>>28764502You're comparing the wrong points of data. Of course efficiency is important, but it was really the discoveries that led to the mass production of engines and automobiles that really killed the horse.
>>28771574Every car ever rots in a dealer lot. You may as well say EVs also have 4 wheels with your profound insights.
>>28771573what?I was referring to the wattage calculation.
>>28771591Which got an entirely wrong number...
>>28771592are you sure?
>>28771583>You may as well say EVs also have 4 wheels with your profound insights.Except I have reality on my side, once again EV retard doesn't understand numbers and statistics >EVs are sitting on dealer lots longer than gas cars, with inventory levels fluctuating but generally high, meaning they stay for months (80-120+ days in 2023/2024), giving buyers more negotiation power and discounts, though the market is stabilizing with some models selling faster than othersbasic bitch search, but everyone industry understands this as well, EVs don't sell
>>28764502The gasoline car is newer than the electric car. Combustion cars are the new tech and they already took over the industry a long time ago.
>>28765525>>28765532In my state it's $85/yr for car/suv plates, $100/yr for pickup truck plates, plus $75 extra per year for any hybrid and $175 extra per year for a full electric.
>>28771603Am I sure 400 watts isn't 60 watts?
>>28765518hybrids are just as soulless if not more soulless than EVs. the chart shows how soulless cars are becoming.
>>28771702the post I was referring to:>5 amps from a 12v solar panel is going to be like 0.1 amps in a 400v system.>400v>400 VOLTS
>>28771720Volts aren't watts.
>>28771849NO SHIT!! what is your point? i'm confused. re-read the posts in question.
>>28771871The math is wrong. The result he got was 60 watts, which is way off of 400 watts.
