Is it me, or is this basically the best city EV right now? >costs about as much as a BYD Dolpin while not being poverty-tier quality>about on par with the Model 3 in range, while being far more compact, and it even has more boot capacity (!) while again being much smaller As I see it, its only serious competitor is the Renault 5, which has a more interesting style, while the VW will probably be VW boring. But it costs more.
LOL
Is this what the ID 2 all turned into?
>>28767668Yes, they dropped the numbering, so it's just the ID Polo. https://youtu.be/NP635Rk3T3M
nigga really saying all this when bmw already brought out the electric mini jcw
>>28767675The Mini is much more expensive.
>Polo GTI
>>28767663>costs same as id3>same range as id3>less space than id3>fwd atleast looks better than id3, but VW will probably make facelift of it and rename it to ID. Golf+
>>28767684There is some overlap with the ID.3 in price like between the Polo and Golf, but in general it should be cheaper.
>>28767684It's supposed to be as spacious as a golf inside
>>28767698Not as spacious as the rectum of anyone who drives it
One word: RenaultVagshit is completely outdated when it comes to EVs.
>>28767663166 kwh for a hatchback is just stupid. That would be over 600 miles of range
>>28767735>evs are gay because they're faster, more expensive, and less reliant on society for refuelingi've really never understood this line of reasoning. Are you sure you're not just poor?
>>28767759True, they are basically its closest competitor. Renault has it going for it:>quirkier retro design >most likely better infotainment, all Google-based>V2L capability, which I don't think the VW has>already out And VW:>more boring exterior (for some people it's a plus)>more interior space and bigger boot>slightly longer range>faster charging batteryNot sure how the autonomous driving capabilities compare though. I've heard VW autopark is better than Renault's, but haven't tested it myself.
>>28767775>I've heard VW autopark is better than Renault's, but haven't tested it myself.There are many videos confirming that.
>>28767663>>costs about as much as a BYD Dolpin while not being poverty-tier qualityThe BYD Dolphin is irrelevant in Europe due to tariffs making it very expensive. Compare with something more popular. >>about on par with the Model 3 in range, while being far more compact, and it even has more boot capacity (!) while again being much smallerIt's not at all about on par with Model 3. Model 3 cheap version has 530km WLTP while range topping Polo has about 450km. Model 3 is a 400hp 0-100 beast whereas Polo is taking ages getting to 100 and tops out at 200hp. Model 3 is also equipped with a far superior infotainment system and autonomous features. Model 3 is simply superior car by every metric.But really what kills the Polo is that you can go on the used market, find a low mileage Kia Niro or TM3 and get a great EV for less than the cost of leasing VW's new and delayed experiments.
>>28767761166 kW, not kWh.
>>28768378>Model 3 cheap version has 530km WLTP while range topping Polo has about 450km.Not that significant considering it's a compact city car. 450km is probably even too much. >Model 3 is a 400hp 0-100 beast whereas Polo is taking ages getting to 100 and tops out at 200hpCompletely irrelevant for a compact car. >Model 3 is also equipped with a far superior infotainment system and autonomous features.FSD is not enabled in Europe, you get the normal lvl 2 driving assist and autopark, which VW gets as well.>Model 3 is simply superior car by every metric.It's already struggling a lot in Europe and this is a cheaper car that matches and exceeds in what's important for the city car segment (price, small size, decent boot capacity).
>>28767663>city EVthis is a board for cars.
>>28767775>retro designIs that just what we call anything these days that's new but isn't quite following the same tend as the last 10 years?
>>28768387>Not that significanttrue, it isn't>Completely irrelevant for a compact car. absolutely not irrelevantdouble hp and rwd vs fwd is a yuge upgradealso, the model 3 is a c segment sedan, the polo is 2 segments smaller. and no, that's not a good thing, bigger IS better. im european, don't give me that stupid "its easier to park" shit. its a model 3, not a super duty pickup. the amount of parking spaces that will fit a polo but not a model 3 is tiny. >FSD is not enabled in Europeyet.>which VW gets as wellvw software sucks ass>It's already struggling a lot in Europenigga please. the amount of anti-elon propaganda has been absurd. on top of that you have tarrifs, and on top of that you have the obvious patriotic sentiment from french and germs pushing them to buy their own shitbut teslas are still ubiquitous, and still easily the best value>this is a cheaper cari very much doubt that. cheapest model 3 is ~37k euros rn (varies slightly by country, depending on local taxes). cheapest used model 3 is sub 20k.i'd be very surprised if the polo manages to beat the new model 3 price, especially in its decent trims (which will be far inferior to a base model 3). and there is absolutely no fucking way in hell it'll beat the used ones (still far superior to an EV polo, lol)oh, and, aside from the size, hp, rwd, and software advantages, the tesla also gets you access to the supercharger network.tldr fuck the polo. if its 15k, its worth considering. otherwise, brvtalmogged by model 3.
>>28768387>Not that significant considering it's a compact city car. 450km is probably even too much.It is when you're paying 35k Euro for a car. Then you want a car that isn't a glorified e-bike with a roof. And during winter, every extra km of range counts, and almost a 100km lead is significant.>Completely irrelevant for a compact carWhy? >FSD is not enabled in Europe, you get the normal lvl 2 driving assist and autopark, which VW gets as well.Tesla has not only FSD but superior software integration in general with a decade of updates. Meanwhile VW is changing its OS every year because they suck so much. The amount of options Tesla gives you beyond FSD is still unmatched. >It's already struggling a lot in Europe and this is a cheaper car that matches and exceeds in what's important for the city car segment (price, small size, decent boot capacity).The long range Polo barely cost less than short range Model 3 and you get less range, less space, less power, VW EV reliability and probably missing some essential features as is often the case with VW these days. EU keeps making Tesla look better and better...maybe leasing prices can save the Polo as leasing Tesla is expensive as shit.
"people" who tout FSD as a feature shouldn't have licenses
>>28768535>im european, don't give me that stupid "its easier to park" shit. its a model 3, not a super duty pickup. the amount of parking spaces that will fit a polo but not a model 3 is tiny.Not only is it easier to park, but it's also easier to drive around. It's significantly smaller, 70cm shorter, with more boot capacity and decent enough internal space. The sedan market is (sadly) tiny for a reason.>yet.It has been 2 years away since 2016.>vw software sucks assThe 1.0 version was laggy, but even then autopark and drive assist worked fine. >nigga please. the amount of anti-elon propaganda has been absurd. on top of that you have tarrifsThere are no tariffs on German-made Tesla, and still they have lost a lot of market share. When you lose like 60% of your market share in a year it's not just "propaganda" lol. >cheapest model 3 is ~37k eurosCheapest ID Polo has a €25k target anon...>the tesla also gets you access to the supercharger network.? Everyone gets access to the supercharger network in Europe.
>>28768672>It is when you're paying 35k Euro for a car.It starts from €25k. >Why?Nobody is buying a Polo to race it around the city lol.>but superior software integrationLike what, in practice?
Jesus christ European car discussions are like "which one of these electrocuting chastity cages hurts the least bros?"
>>28768535>vw software sucks ass>>28768672>Meanwhile VW is changing its OS every year because they suck so much.You lot live under a rock. Yes, I'm fully aware that the software/OS was absolute garbage at launch in 2020. That said, it has improved dramatically since then and it's now far superior to the utter crap that other OEMs are stuck with, thanks to their reliance on off-the-shelf solutions while Google and Apple perpetually hold their balls in a vice.Just look at what happened to Volvo: their Google-based infotainment system got completely crippled by Google's endless update delays and outright denials of new features. Volvo's Google-built infotainment is notoriously sluggish, riddled with laggy touch responses, endless bugs, and a bafflingly unintuitive interface. Owners constantly complain about frozen screens, delayed inputs, crashing apps (Spotify being a frequent offender), and chronic instability that forces frequent reboots or full factory resets. Updates often make things worse instead of better, leaving users furious with the unreliable mess that is Android Automotive OS. Common "fixes" include force-restarting the system (hold the center button), manually checking for updates, clearing cache, deleting apps, or wiping everything, but the problems keep coming back.Toyota's Arene OS has been slammed as downright horrendous and infested with bugs. It suffers from cripplingly slow performance, unresponsive touch inputs, glaring glitches, and a confusing layout that drives owners up the wall with constant delays and app crashes. According to Norwegian users, it's vastly worse than even the disastrous first-generation VW OS ever was. Toyota always gets a free pass because it is OKAY when TOYOTA does it! *weebcels shrieking*
>>28768413No that's what we call designs based on cars from 40 years ago
>muh car OSWhy is it even a discussion? You don't need anything more than Bluetooth to play music from your phone.
>>28768772So no one is allowed to use android cause Volvo who isn't known for their electronic prowess fucked up implementing a tablet into their dash. If these care companies would even attempt to specs match a cell phone we wouldn't have any issues.
>>28767663This is why VW isn't making any money, they went off producing a whole new replica of already established vehicles but electric, costing the company billions they will never see in returns because people aren't buying these expensive batteries on wheels. They should have expanded the already available models adding the electric motor option and that would have been cheaper. But no, now all the A,B,C, segment across Seat, Skoda, VW, Audi, is cannibalizing itself.
>>28768818>They should have expanded the already available models adding the electric motor option and that would have been cheaper.They would also have shit range because pure ICE cars aren't suited for any meaningful batteries. See: e-Golf.
>>28768810Except the only similarity is the slightly boxy look and there's been slightly boxy cars around here and there for decades. The new one clearly has more in common with stuff from the last 10 years than that.
>>28767684Wait, they made it FWD? Why? The rest of ID range is RWD in base models. One advantage of EVs is that you can make them RWD without compromising interior space and raising the cost.
>>28768822I see it.
>>28768823I believe they did it to allow for the massive under-boot space. It has a whole second compartment underneath the standard boot space.
>>28768839I read that the SUV version of the ID. Polo, called the ID. Cross, will have its own frunk. According to car journalists, it will also offer massive boot space, with huge under-boot storage as well. However, the AWD version might compromise this. We'll find out. No, I'm not interested in buying this car, but I like analyzing its tech level and so on.
>>28768772>it has improved dramatically since then when you're at the bottom, nowhere to go but ip>and it's now far superior to the utter crap that other OEMs are stuck withits still shitthe only mfg with actually good software is tesla. the rest of the americans are doing somewhat decent tooeuro cars are hopeless, which is very understandable given that euro tech salaries are a joke, and every remotely capable dev has either left for the us, is working remotely for a us company, or has resigned to a life of halfassing their work since they aren't being paid enough to care>Toyota's Arene OSjaps have the same problem as europe where software is concernedand none of that changes the fundamental math in this equation a bitthe model 3 is VASTLY superior in every respect. even if the polo beats the new model 3 in price, its not going to be by enough to make it worth it. and its never going to beat used ones, which are still vastly superiorif it wasn't for patriotism and corruption in fleet and leasing practices, the german auto industry wouldn't exist anymore
>>28768864>the model 3 is VASTLY superior in every respect. even if the polo beats the new model 3 in price, its not going to be by enough to make it worth it.The Model 3 is already being outpaced by the ID.7 in sales, bro. It's 2025.
>>28768740>Not only is it easier to park, but it's also easier to drive aroundits neither. again, its a model 3, not a 3/4 ton pickup. c-class size cars have no problems in euro cities. once you get to s-class size, then yea, you will have issues dealing with the size. but at c-class size, its fine> It's significantly smaller, 70cm shorteryea, that's one big reason why the model 3 is much better. its actually comfortable inside. well, modulo the whole "rear seat too close to the floor because batteries" thing, but that's in all EVs that aren't suvs>with more boot capacity bullshit. i dunno where you're getting that, but there is no fucking way a polo has more boot capacity than a model 3, which again is 2 segments larger. and even within its segment, the model 3 is very competitive in this regard.>decent enough internal spacea polo?lollmao even>It has been 2 years away since 2016.fuck does 2016 have to do with anything?tesla has working FSD in the us, its not active in europe for regulatory reasons. which is to say, for protectionism reasons.but that isn't going to last forever. tesla is already doing testing in various euro countries, and soon there will be no excuse for this horseshit anymore, and it will be allowed to work here too.>When you lose like 60% of your market share in a year it's not just "propaganda" lol. ofc it is. every euro mainstream media was crying about elon doing nazi salutes and what not. and there were tons of totally organic, totally not soros-funded billboards reminding people about how elon is a nazi now>Cheapest ID Polo has a €25k target anon...>cheapest>targetso, the shittiest version of it which will probably have no range and no equipment and will come with ads and every user-punishing feature the germs can think ofwill have a *target* of 25k. which means it'll be at least 30 by the time it launches. and at least 40 by the time you've picked an actually not shit trimgot it.
>>28768871>The Model 3 is already being outpaced by the ID.7 in sales, bro. It's 2025.again>vast anti-elon propaganda effort>corrupt corporate leasing and fleet sales practicesthey don't change the facts on the ground. teslas are vastly superior in every respect to euro EVs. the only real competition are chink EVs, but those are under tarrifs, so no dice.anyone buying a non-tesla EV with their own money is a retard. except for the RR EV, which is a thing of its own. maybe also the i7, which is fuck ugly, but is actually much better than the model S when it comes to materials and interior quality and noise isolation and what not. still way worse value, but at that segment, you don't really care about that.
>>28768881>t. space karen's bootlicker
>>28768873>its neither.It's 70cm shorter, which is not insignificant. >yea, that's one big reason why the model 3 is much better. It's a sedan. People buy compact cars for a reason, something bigger is not automatically better.>bullshitIt has a 435 L boot space, which is slightly more than the Model 3 despite being a much smaller vehicle. They added a space under the booth that goes all the way down between the wheels. >a polo? lolIt's Golf-sized inside, due to its design, so more than enough for a compact car. Basically a whole segment bigger. >and it will be allowed to work here too.We'll see. Tesla timelines are always sketchy. >every euro mainstream media was crying about elon doing nazi salutes and what not. Lol nobody in Europe even knows Elon did a nazi salute, there is simply more competition from other EVs now. Tesla's market share has been declining for the past several years, it has nothing to do with Trump or the heckin libtards.>which means it'll be at least 30 by the time it launches.It's not several years away lol, it's launching in May. The price will start at €25k before incentives for sure.
>>28768881>they don't change the facts on the ground. teslas are vastly superior in every respect to euro EVs.Why don't they sell then?
>"""""city ev""""""I thought you yuropoors had "amazing public transport"
>>28768952There can be the best public transport in the world, I still don't want to use it.
the paint job hides it, but the frunc has absolute dogshit lines.At least they ditched the double a pillars from the ID. cancer platform
>>28768772Don't know why you're using the absolute worst examples out there when there are ton of examples of infotainment systems working well. Tesla, BMW and Kia/Hyndai to name a few. Maybe VW's infotainment works way better but I will let the reviews have the final say when this drops.>>28768818They had to because them equipping their OG cars with a battery and electric motor resulted in piece of shit EVs nobody bought. But the ID3-5 have god awful designs I agree. The ID4 in particular looks like a constipated log. >>28768837I wish R5 had smol wheels like its predecessors. It oozes soul and also boosts range like hell on EVs.
>>28768413They're explicitly trying to evoke the styling of their older vehicles. Like nu-beetles, HHR/SSRs, PT Cruisers, Prowlers, nu-BroncosI'm sure there are more I'm missing.
>>28768818VW sells more electric vehicles in the EU than any other manufacturer, and second place isn't even close.
>>28767663honestly i dont see the reason to get it considering that we're about to get swarmed by more chink BEV and hybrids and also kei cars are literally on the corner. ID Polo will be popular with the fartwagen crowd but that's it. Chinks and frenchies already stole the market for VW and kei cars are gonna blow it up 9/11 style
>>28768881>vast anti-elon propaganda effortthe crux of this operation is just putting him in front of a camera and letting him stuff both feet entirely into his own mouth
>>28768906You're welcome to compare sales between brands. Sad truth is that all EVs are struggling now. And Tesla still remains one of the most popular EVs on the market. What leads the sales is always some soulless ass Toyota RAV4 or some shit. >>28768905It's 70cm shorter to its disadvantage. No frunk, worse seat in the backs and trunk is only bigger because of a pot hole you may find more hassle than not bothering with. >It's a sedan. People buy compact cars for a reasonYeah because people want cheap shit and they want shit that's brain dead easy to park. ID Polo is neither cheap or easier to park than Model 3. So there goes all the advantages of a compact hatchback right out the window.>It's not several years away lol, it's launching in May. The price will start at €25k before incentives for sure.25k for the base 110hp version with sub 300km WLTP range. That's awful specs. This is not even same class as Tesla. The disparity in range, performance and features is huge. The version that we want to drive will be 35k and it will still be inferior than a Tesla Model 3 Standard Range by just about every metric minus a pot hole you can store a bag (but ignore that the frunk in Tesla already does this so whatever). Also sedans are always more fun to drive than boring ass hatchbacks and cuckovers.Here is funny picture of Trump's tan make-up melting in the sun as he's shilling Tesla cars he just legislated into irrelevance in America.
>>28769161>honestly i dont see the reason to get it considering that we're about to get swarmed by more chink BEVNot really. The chink wave has already set. It will be like smartphones, they will be tariff'd into irrelevance. Ursula and Donnie Boi are extreme protectionists to our disadvantage.
>>28769158I can see the Beetle becoming pretty popular as an EV. But maybe its design doesn't allow proper battery sizes.
>>28769155>smol wheelsi want le epic rimmzz era to end and die forever
>>28769166>Sad truth is that all EVs are struggling now.>28% increase in sales YoY in Q1 2025>You're welcome to compare sales between brands. See: https://eu-evs.com/bestSellers/ALL/Groups/Year/2025One third of the sales is just the VW group. Toyota is all the way down to just 2% of the market share.
>>28769169Nah doubt so, MG is selling like hot cakes and i'm starting to see a bazillion chink cars popping up more and more in bumfuck nowhere rural franceif they start to tax chinkmobiles then we're gonna get turbo raped by chinese revenge tarrifs
>>28769177Thanks for source. But I think this just proves what I'm saying. VW Group consists of several brands and the VW Group dwarfs Tesla in manpower several-fold. The entire VW family not outselling Tesla would be disastrous. And of course the brand that carries VWG is not VW but Skoda. Their two SUV EVs are hugely popular and they nailed something VW themselves failed for years. But you see in top 5 car models, Tesla has two spots, including the #1 spot. I think this just proves what a huge disruption Tesla has become for these traditional brands. A company with the huge manpower and industrial capacity of VWG should not be outsold by Tesla's cars. And VW seems to fare worse than its far smaller sibling companies like Skoda and Cupra relative to resources. Something has gone wrong at VW. Maybe this new architecture and cell-to-pack can save them. I hope so atleast. Lastly, well done Kia for the EV3. That's the ultimate utility vehicle.
>>28769180I believe MG is a special case since they have factories in UK or it's part UK brand or some shit. I think in France the Chinese automobile industry is already under heavy tariffs. What you're seeing are most likely leased vehicles that bypass tariffs easier.
>>28769191>VW Group consists of several brands and the VW Group dwarfs Tesla in manpower several-fold. The entire VW family not outselling Tesla would be disastrous.Yeah, but VW also produces a ton of combustion engine vehicles (and military shit, now). Of course it's bigger. This is just BEVs, not even including hybrids.>But you see in top 5 car models, Tesla has two spots,That's because Tesla basically only sells two models in Europe. Sales for VW and other groups are spread over dozens of models and brands, like the ID.4/ID.5/Q4/Q5/Eniaq/Eniaq Coupe, which are all essentially the same car. So the sales are spread out a lot. The problem with VW is that it isn't as flashy or interesting as for example Cupra, but that's not exactly a problem for the group (if they lose an ID.3 sale to a Cupra Born that's a plus for them, as it's more expensive). It's all the same shit underneath anyway.It's more of a problem for the brand itself than for the company.
>>28769193MG's still get sold for 22K euroridoos and BYD's are sold for relatively cheapo too
>>28769155>Kia/Hyndailel no Ioniq 5 owners bitch a lot about the infotainment being dogshit compared to the rest of the car. Common issues: screens randomly go black while driving, system freezes (can't touch AC/music), laggy startup. CarPlay/Android Auto constantly disconnects - usually cuz the USB port is loose as fuck, not software. Quick fix for hangs: keep a paperclip to poke the tiny reset pinhole on the dash. If it happens nonstop, film it and take to dealer for warranty repair.
>>28769301It happened to my cousin's Ioniq 6. He dumped it for Tesla Model 3. lmao
>>28767663>non-TeslasDumb phone>TeslaSmart phonesYou ask yourself why you're using smartphone right now instead of a dumbphone.
>>28768873>and at least 40 by the time you've picked an actually not shit trimnobody who buys a polo orders "trim" lmfao>you just know this workhorse needs to look like a pimp wagon for double its retail
>>28769166>Also sedans are always more fun to drive than boring ass hatchbacksLiterally same thing with or without the ass, stupis thing to say
>>28769314Because it's pretty much required to function in modern society without a pain in the ass?
>>28769430Extend that inquiry into why you're driving a car instead of a horse carriage.New technology makes life easier. Without modern smartphones, you'd be relying on dedicated dumb phone, dedicated fax machine, dedicate personal address book, yellow pages, dedicated calculator, dedicated mp3 player, dedicated personal computer, dedicated new paper, dedicated etc. You're using smartphone because it made life better for you, cheaper for you, easier for you, vs the thing you had before. But you're trying to rationalize this has a negative thing without understanding where your argument comes from
>>28769545dumb/feature phones had an address book and calculator though
>>28769545also many restaurants now put a qr code just to see a menu. some take it a step further and have you order through a phone. sure you can still get a paper menu, but why does seeing what you want to eat and ordering it need a goddamn phone in the first place??
>>28769569yeah and we even have internet where people just post shit over thousands of miles instead of just driving--err walking thousands of miles that would take multiple family generations to that person's future multiple generation's cave to argue about shit that wont matter
>>28769579that's quite a bit different to walking into a restaurant and just wanting to order lunch
>>28768386oh, in that case, it's pathetic
>>28769430They drive way differently.
>>28769545My dumbphone had an address book, email, calculator and an MP3 player
