How much would I cuck myself choosing a AWD with traction settings over 4WD? I'm half-considering trading my D40 Frontier for a Tremor Maverick and I could learn to live with the 4 cylinder engine and babby-sized bed, but as far as I know I need 4WD to get on and off the hill I live on in the winter. I couldn't get up in 2 wheel but I had no issues last year getting up with 10 inches of snow and packed ice on the road and shitty worn chinese highway tires in 4 wheel.
>trading my D40 Frontier for a Tremor Maverickdon't
>>28769782My gas mileage is terrible and I don't trust its longetivity
>>28769779>>28769787That is a retarded idea, keep your frontier. If you don't feel confident enough in the snow with 4WD alone, then get better tires or snow tires and put some weight in the back.Do not listen to the maverick shill either.
Why not buy a new Frontier or just a slightly used one? Can't imagine the price difference is that big between a good condition newer Frontier and a Tremor Maverick. Also look up how good the AWD on the Maverick is, is it real AWD or is it like the shitty Honda 80/20 "AWD"?All for people getting smaller vehicles, but don't compromise on the one feature you actually need.
>>287697794x4 and skill goes a long way. I've got myself into and out of some stupid winter situations with welfare slicks and 2 open diffs. If you got snow that deep ground clearance is going to be your friend and the Maverick has really shitty real world ground clearance. The issue with most AWD systems isn't the mechanical shit it's the retarded as fuck traction control systems controlling it. Most systems these days are almost impossible to fully disable and wind up hurting you in a lot of situations especially if you're used to a traditional 4x4 transfer case setup with limited traction control. >>28769787What does it get? Like 20mpg? The non hybrid AWD Mavericks only get mid 20's in the real world and worse with the off road trims like that. How long is it going to get that $40k+ back?
>>28769829It's like 13 local and 17 highway. They're advertised at 15/20 but most owners don't get close to that.
>>28769779Not a good idea brother,specially if you're expecting it to be similar to the frontier and want to do the same things you do with a current truck this is still for suburban dads who carry a light load 3/4 times a year not much more you're gonna be wishing you still had a frontier very often.
>>287698344.0 Pathfinders get pretty close to 20/20 in the real world and they're bigger and heavier. My 20 year old 6300lb SUV gets 12-13 city driving it hard. It seems like you drive like a retard or you got some basic mechanical issues you could just fix.
>>28769779You'll save like 6 cents a mile on gas to drive a 1/4 ton cuckmobile that costs $40,000. You'll get like $10,000 on trade in. Assuming you don't also pay interest on a loan, you are going to have to get 500k miles on the Maverick for this decision to pay off. The engine won't make it to half of that and you'll have a much worse truck for the entire life of it.
>>28769834Gas mileage is the shittiest reason to get a new car. You save a couple hundred dollars but pay way more for the new car. You're just trying to justify getting a new car for yourself.
>>28769787>I'm going to spend more money on payments to save 20 bucks a week in gasPottery
>>28769842Jap V8s are absolute gas hog boat anchors, would make a 70's caddy blushThe bargain is reliability. Never need a rebuild unless you fuck up BAD
>>28769843This.13mpg vs 20mpg over 12,000 miles is about 900 bucks.OP will pay more than that between the increas in registration and insurance, making operarional costs more expensive in the Maverick, let alone the actual cost of the Maverick.The Maverick is a poor financial choice ontop of being the wrong vehicle for the application.
>>28770137The VQ40 is a v6. The VQ56 is the V8 in the pathfinder and is actually a pretty decent engine.
The Maverick is a great truck. But not for deep snow or any sort of actual rough road. (Maintained gravel roads don't apply)
4x4 F150 Powerboost. It's the actual truck version of the Maverick. You'll get 700 miles of range and 12k tow capacity, plus a huge power plant in the bed.
>>28770345LOL
>>28770348They're all around $42k with an XLT trim. I don't know why you're laughing. Beats out Maverick for those who need 4x4 and ground clearance.
>>28770357>$42k When, 2018?
>>28770357You have to get a 4x4 Lariat for Powerboost, it's $70k.
>>28770137>The bargain is reliability. Never need a rebuild unless you fuck up BADVK56VDs have problems with the lifter bucker for the HPFP needing to replaced every 120k or so miles, otherwise they have a tendancy to grenade the engine. kind of a hassle to replace because you need to pull the intake manifold, but not terrible. I'm sure plenty of other jap V8s have similar issues.
>>28769779I'll tell you something everyone seems to forget about their awesome AWD - you blow a fucking tire and the other 3 tires are worn, but usable, you're now in the hole for FOUR new tires, unless you want the AWD to shit out it's soft bits and leave you with no vehicle and a gigantic bill.
>>28769779As a daily driver, awd is vastly superior to 4x4. I see so many trucks in ditches on the side of the road because the retards forgot they're rwd until they park and shift it into 4x4. and even then theyre limited to whatever speed and cant go on dry tarmac. The tremor comes with electronic locking diff so there's no comparison. Its a proper daily driver and better in bad weather driving than a 4x4 truck because its always on. My maverick has seen 2 hellish winters so far, its got almost 30k on it and with good winter tires its never even gotten so much as wheel slip and I dont even have the locking diff on it. >inb4 some retard comes in talking about offroading pickup trucks.>>28770308Yeah im sure that's very applicable to the 2 people who drive on (unmaintained) gravel roads once every 5 years.
>>28773674Most Super Duties have elockers that can activate up to 55 mph. Tremors come with a front limited slip diff and the same rear e locker. You have no idea what you are talking about.
>>28773681F-150 Tremor also only has an LSD in front so it only works in 4x4 anyway.
>>28772029>>28772353I'm finding them used pretty easily on Autotempest. So neither of you are correct. Suck my balls
>>28769779Just get an F150 and stop fucking around
>>28773674You really think it's the 4x4 or AWD keeping you on the road? Fucking retard. People wind up in the ditch because they're fucking retarded and/or running shitty tires. I see way more FWD's and AWD's in the ditches than pickup trucks. >>28773695You think there might be a reason why those trucks have lost half their value?
>>28773695>I-I meant used!
>>28769843>>28770141In most cases, barring comical amounts of negative equity or a comically unreliable car, keeping your existing vehicle makes more financial sense.I struggle with this myself. I haven't needed to make a car payment in over a decade, and it frees up an enormous amount of money that people usually can't spend because it goes to their transportation. I'd like to upgrade, and I have the correct rationales to, but I still don't, because I do not want to tie up future money on a current car.I'd probably have to total the car to replace it at this rate. I cannot justify it otherwise.>>28773699>You think there might be a reason why those trucks have lost half their value?Newer trucks seem to have a lot of reliability issues stemming from the feature creep that consoomers have demanded for the vehicle. They've forgotten, or maybe ignored, that a vehicle is only good if it gets from point A to B all the time, and that all of their wants are secondary to that.
>>28773756Most trucks hold value extremely well, it is just the powerboosts that depreciate like a car
>>28769829Hybrid never pays itself off. You only spend $1-2k a year in gas if your car is 15-30mpg. Do the math:>10,000 miles per year>divide by 30 miles per gallon>333 gallons of gas needed>multiply by average gas cost of 3.50>$1,166Gas has never really been an expense, but it was so cheap because we had real competition before monopolies and price fixing conglomerates took over. But paying thousands more for a hybrid to save money on gas is retarded, if it's 10k more you'll never even see a single savings. Cars shit out before 10 years now. Compared to a truck that only gets 15mpg you can double the cost, you'll see savings in ~5 years by getting a Maverick which has more comparable mpg to a car.
>>28769779>How much would I cuck myself choosing a AWD with traction settings over 4WD?Are you planning on doing actual off roading or do you just want something that will handle bad roads, rain, snow, ice, gravel, sand, etc?If you're not planning to really off road then AWD is plenty. I have a Subaru Outback 3.6R and its handled any dirt or gravel road and any weather I've thrown it at; but I'm not doing real off roading.
>>28773836tbqh modern 9+ speed transmission have really low first gears and smart AWD systems make 4WD not needed unless you are hardcore offroading like rockcrawling. Ford and Honda have really good AWD
>>28773681Okay and can those elockers be activated in a split second to divert power to whichever wheel needs it? Can you drive on dry tarmac with it activated? Will it automatically deactivate above 55mph? Otherwise it's useless for daily driving in shitty weather. >>28773699>You really think it's the 4x4 or AWD keeping you on the road? Fucking retard.Uhhh yeah I do actually. And if not for me specifically normies would greatly benifit from it. Most awd systems are fwd biased to begin whith which is already a better starting point for not spinning out. And if the car senses slip hitting ice it'll divert power to where it needs it. In my mach e i can literally floor it out of an icy corner with 500ft/lbs of torque and i get no wheel slip, no oversteer, no understeer. There is 0 chance that would be the case with 4x4. Why am i even arguing with you retards this shit is common knowledge. 4x4 is for offroading and generally niche shitty conditions whereas awd is generally just better for daily driving in shitty conditions. How is that even an argument thats just common sense you stupid fucking retard.
>>28769779>Maverick mehhh they're actually surprisingly good in deep snow and-->TremorBetter suspension and a real locking rear diff, you'll be better off than in the Frontier
>>28773920>i can literally floor it out of an icy corner with 500ft/lbs of torqueBecause your system limits power output in low traction conditions. You're not putting down 500 torq's, your car is in gimp mode and youre doing 80 lb/ft until you get momentum/traction.I get your point, (in theory) on asphalt a good AWD system going to be superior (especially if its a modern computer controlled setup) over some gear and chain driven true 4X4.But in an off-road situation that AWD is going to get stuck because it senses wheel slip and basically shuts down. We've seen this first hand with cybertrucks getting stuck on icy roads because when all 4 wheels spin it just shuts down.
>>28773836>Subaru Outback 3.6RHow many miles you got on it ?I've considered getting a. Outback but have experience with them Is the turbo engine a concern for issues after a certain number of miles?What about the transmission?Are they all automatic?Are they all CVTs?Are they long lasting do you think?
>>28769787>gas mileageCommuter wagwcuck>don't trust its longetivityWrenchletPlease work on your self anon instead of wasting money on a new open trucnk cuckover.
>>28773833>10,000 miles per yearYou're adorable
>>28774154>Wrenchlet>Please work on your self anon instead of wasting money on a new open trucnk cuckover.>Dude just get a lift and jack stands and replace your ball joints, control arms, shocks, all your bushings, and your wheel bearings over the next 3 years in addition to paying it off lmao
>>28774283>replace your ball joints, control arms, shocks, all your bushings, and your wheel bearingsYou could just pay somebody to do this for you for the fraction of the cost of a new vehicle which will come with modern electronic shit
>>28773936>a real locking rear diff, you'll be better off than in the FrontierI thought my pro4x had a real locking rear diff...
>>28769779>How much would I cuck myself choosing a AWD with traction settings over 4WD>get on and off the hill I live on in the winterI have some direct experience with this. I spent a winter living in a compound on the side of a mountain in western Massachusetts at the end of a steep half mile private dirt road with a bunch of switchbacks. During the winter, 2WD cars couldn't make it up the mountain, so we had a small fleet of first and second generation CRVs (automatic AWD and open diffs front and back) and an S10 Blazer (proper 4x4). In general, I preferred driving a CRV to the Blazer. Automatic AWD was idiot proof, and I could carry more speed going through the switchbacks. The one time the Blazer was better was when we would get lots of snow really quickly and needed to drive through a bunch of fresh powder. In that case, being able to put it into four low and power through was really useful.I only spent a single winter there, because fuck snow and fuck Massachusetts, so I'm a bit of tourist to that kind of weather, but I did drive AWD and proper 4x4 back to back on the exact same terrain enough to have some preference/opinion on this.
>>28769779>Tremor MaverickNo I wouldn't pay an extra almost 20k for a 1 inch lift and some badging>had no issues last year getting up with 10 inches of snow and packed ice on the road and shitty worn chinese highway tires in 4 wheelyou will be fine with fwd and winter tires, from experience that will be better in fact, but you don't want to hear this you must consoom
>>28773833Nobody talks about the driving experience of a hybrid. Its so much nicer. Instant torque from the electric motor, no gear changes, no hunting for gears when youre accelerating, on slow flat sections like through town, the engine completely shuts off so its really quiet. Its honestly so much more premium feeling than ice. I test drove both and the hybrid just felt like a 2025 vehicle.
>>28769779You'll save a lot of money and also have a much better experience by just getting better rubbers bro.
>>28773743You're an idiot if you think anyone here would ever suggest buying a truck at the new price point. Don't even @ me with your gaytext. You should only be buying used trucks off the pavement princess owners. My point still stands, suck my balls.
>>28774283>ball joints, control arms, shocks, all your bushings, and your wheel bearingsYou literally just buy a full kit from rockauto for 300 bucks, drop everything at once and bolt on 100% new.Its 1 saturday's worth of time.
>>28774861I agree but you don't save money, you waste it for that slightly premium feel. They also devalue way more per year than ICE. You actually lose money with a hybrid, significantly.
>>28774972Its only 2k more for the hybrid
>>28775013Okay and what is your friendly Ford dealership going to charge you to have the hybrid drivetrain replaced?
>>28775023Well considering its a toyota-derived hybrid system, and considering Ford's basically been using the same system in hybrid fusions in NYC taxis for the better part of 15 years, about 2-3 grand for a battery when the car hits 300k? That's about it.
>>28775056Are you ever going to upgrade your script? First off don't use Toyota as a hybrid drivetrain benchmark when every one of their hybrid drivetrains has a serious recall. Also when has Ford ever made a drivetrain what wasn't a massive steaming pile of shit? Why haven't I seen a hybrid Ford besides the Maverick in decades?
>>28774292>trusting mechanics>thinking its not crazy expensive to pay other people to fix your shit in 2025wild
>>28775013You'll lose that the first year in devaluation vs an ICE.
>>28775062>y haven't I seen a hybrid Ford besides the Maverick in decades?Because they look exactly the same as the non-hybrid ones unless you're close enough to see the badge?
>>28775193The boxy Escape hybrids had a big badge on the side. They don't exist anymore The Fusion hybrids also had a big badge on the side. tbf I haven't seen a normal or a hybrid Fusin in years. You Maverick people really aren't thinking into the future.
>>28774972>they depreciate fasterHybrids hold their value better than ICE vehicles. Maybe you’re confusing hybrid vehicles with EV’s.>>28775023Why would someone have to have “the hybrid system” replaced? Which part of the system are you talking about? Atkinson cycle engines are under less stress than Otto cycle and have proven themselves apropos longevity. eCVT transmissions are built like fucking tanks. The batteries operate in the 25%-80% range and outlast everything on the car; again, it’s not a EV. Why are you under this strange assumption that hybrids are prone to failure?>>28775062>Toyota hybrid recalls>source: I made it upMy wife has owned two (2) Priuses in the past 15 years. Neither had a recall related to the hybrid system that I remember. I looked it up and there are currently 55k Toyotas being recalled for issues related specifically to components of the hybrid system (a bolt on the inverter could come lose). To put it in perspective, there are over one million Toyotas being recalled for backup camera issues. There were 100k Tundras recalled a few years back that required entire engine swaps.
>>28774283Why would you need to do all that work???Mine is 25 years old, I replaced one wheel bearing so far. I had half a year warning of it clicking beforr it failed.Are you retarded? Do you think this needs to be done regularly?>shocksThis is wasy to do, they last me 5-7 years.
>>28775405>Hybrids hold their value better than ICE vehiclesLie. I've gone on KBB and messed with different models and age/mileage. Hybrids lose value twice as quickly as their equal ICE counterparts. Consumers perceive that the batteries die out and objective dealers know there are more components that may have developed problems so are overall more of a risk, cost more to fix, and indeed the batteries do degrade and they'll get less from a customer based on that.
>>28775189>citation requiredThe ice and hybrid maverick depreciate basically at the same rate.
>>28775438Oh no it loses 100 dollars in the first year more than the ice counterpart. This will financially ruin me! Good thing I saved several hundreds more in gas to offset this.
>>28775460An economy priced ICE vehicle vs an economy priced hybrid, the ICE devalues at a rate of 2k a year and tapers off towards the end of its life. The hybrid devalues at a rate of 4k per year and most don't consider it to have life past 10 years whether you replace the battery for the next buyer or not. It's a hard sell when it's older. I did the comparisons on KBB using a Corolla ICE vs hybrid and an average of 10k miles per year. You can go on and check yourself.>several hundreds more in gasThat would take decades. Again I've already done the equations for myself and don't care to do them again other than the one I posted above. You can modify it to see how many dollars you'll save by bumping up the mpg by 5, which is a miniscule amount. If you wanna be retarded and waste money go ahead.
>>28776352>Again I've already done the equations for myself10k miles per year? Lol. My wife drives 40k km a year in her maverick hybrid. Saves us 2k a year in gas compared to the ice version.
>>28769779Lol, what? Why would you get rid of a real 4WD system for a hope and prayer AWD system? Have fun getting stuck in a FWD based AWD joke.
>>28776407>FWD based AWDFord AWD engages the rear wheels from a stop every single time. This isn't a worthless Honda AWD system Anon.
>>28776411Does it use a real center diff or a viscous coupling? The first one is a real AWD system, the second is a joke FWD based system.
>>28773836>3.6>>28774148>Subaru Outback 3.6R>How many miles you got on it ?Its a 2011 with 145,000.>I've considered getting a. Outback but have experience with them Its a really practical car. Has plenty of power and it doesn't feel slow; but its not particularly fun to drive because it doesn't really drift any. Immensely practical though. Comfortable and as I said its handled weather and bad roads brilliantly.>Is the turbo engine a concern for issues after a certain number of miles?Mine is naturally aspirated, all the 3.6R 6 cylinders are NA. They switched to a turbo 4 cylinder when they replaced the 6 cylinder.>What about the transmission?2011 still had an old fashioned 6 speed automatic. They switched to a CVT around 2012 or 2013. If I were getting one I'd avoid like the first 5 years of CVT. I think they have the bugs worked out now; but first gen CVTs tend to be shit regardless of the maker, except for the Toyota CVTs which use a different mechanism.>What about the transmission?>Are they all automatic?>Are they all CVTs?Like I said mine is one of the last years of the old fashioned 6 speed automatic and its worked fine for me. I think pretty much all Outbacks are automatic.>Are they long lasting do you think?I see lots of them for sale with 250,000 miles on them. They seem to be able to get that far pretty regularly. If I was getting one I'd consider the exact model I have 2011, 3.6R. You get an old fashioned automatic instead of a CVT and you get a NA 6 cylinder with around 260 horsepower.They've also pretty much completely depreciated at this point; but there are still tons of them on the road so parts are easy to get. Try to get the heated seats if you can, my car has them and they're great. Only recurring problem I've had with it is the sunroof which gets clogged with leaves if you park under a tree. Get one of those drain snake thingies off Amazon and run it down the drains for it once or twice a year.
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>>28776398Yeah ok cityshit have fun commuting and saving $2k for your $2k a year expense in gas. The hybrid makes it cost nothing apparently, it cancels out and produces free energy!
>>28776352Source: your ass>muh battery replacement in 10 years!You’re a boomer who’s been talking with other boomers in the Facebook comments and it’s pretty funny tbdesu
>>28769779Under almost no circumstance is it worthwhile buying a new car to replace one that has already been paid off and depreciated. You can do the math, you might save $500 a year on gas going from 16MPG to 22MPG, minus the higher insurance and car payments. There is also the depreciation hits you're going to take just driving the thing off the lot, you might pay $30k (plus interest if you take a loan out), try selling it in 5-8 years down the road and you're losing an extra $15k in depreciation just because.My advice, buy a newer used truck with less miles and sell the Frontier for what you can. Hypothetical, you buy an 8-10 year old F-150, you might pay 15-16k out the door, a v6 will still get 19-20MPG so it's still an improvement in mileage and creature comforts. Lets say your lifestyle changes or you get tired of it and try selling it a few years down the line, you might still get 8-10k private for it assuming it wasn't trashed, you'd still only be out 5-6k in depreciation. So you still lose but you're not getting hosed to the point of you could have bought a second truck hosed.
