Adding lanes don't work, moving to a new city just adds to the traffic there, retards on the road will forever do 40 in the passing lanes, etc, etc. Short of nuking cities, how do we do it br/o/s?
>>28770518seems a few people already figured it out
>>28770518Let's colonize other planets
>>287705181) adding lanes does work2) as does removing people (deportations)
>>28770518>how do we do it br/o/s?Make parenthood so economically inaccessible that birth rates plummet, leading to less people on the road over time.
>don't live in overpopulated concrete hellnot my fucking problem
>>28770518Re-teach zipper merging and remove speed limits. That's all you have to do.
>>28770518To lower traffic, we must lower the volume of cars on the road.This is already happening with congestion charges, raising tolls, ICE bans, and by making it extremely undesirable to drive.
>>28770529Thats not stopping traffic, its just smooshing it together
>>28770518Mandatory license retests every few years. Some people legit should not be on the road because they are too stupid. Especially the fucking spineless betas who drive 10 under the speed limit
>>28770518Remove all the browns.
>>28770536OP here, as someone that lived in NY and visit too frequently, this doesn't work. I feel like it's even worse now. Now the streets AND public transit are fucked.
>>28770546Driving too fast doesn't mean you are a good driver, it means you are a bad driver.
>>28770518>Be department of transportation>Add one lane to freeway>In the meantime, the city's population triples>"Uh oh, adding a single lane didn't work! Better cram everyone into buses with homeless niggers!"
>>28770556extremely low test post
>>28770536Until you come up with a better alternative to the personal automobile (you won't), people are still going to want to drive. Instead of being a psychotic urbanist making people suffer for no reason, just stop overpopulating everywhere. No I don't care what this would do to the economy, it's fake and gay anyway.>>28770556Driving slower than everyone around you is more dangerous than speeding.
>>28770529>zipper mergingBrainlet meme from people who think throughput is determined by how many cars you cram up to the bottleneck instead of getting them through the bottleneck.Early merge allows you to merge at speed which makes traffic flow through the restriction at speed. Zipper merge brings everyone to a stop at the merge point and then your throughput is gated by how fast people are accelerating away. Since everyone is jammed together as they're accelerating you're not just gated by the slowest accelerating car, but the ones behind who try to accelerate faster overcorrect when they get too close which sends waves of overcorrected braking backwards so you end up with even worse throughput as you just have waves of start-stop traffic for no fucking reason.Early merge should be encouraged by tolling: people who don't merge early pay a progressively higher toll the longer they stay in the merging lane. So if you want to be selfish and race to the front and cram yourself in, it's legal to do, it's just going to cost you $1000 every time you do it.
Change zoning laws and spread out businesses and residential areas so that you don't have thousands of people all trying to pile into small districts where everything of value is located.
>>28770518send all browns back to their shitholes.we're overpopulated by third worlders who don't even belong here. the infrastructure is all stressed past its breaking point. get rid of the browns and things improve rapidly in all segments of society, traffic included.
>>28770518Ban brown people
>>28770563>a better alternative to the person in a single automobileKekEasy. Its called public transport, and massively penalizing people who clog up roads with wasteful cars.Make almost all roads and lanes bu-only lanes too, and charge the stupid recidivist car driver to use what's left over
>>28770579>Change zoning lawsThis, and encourage people to have fewer children through education and birth control.
>>28770579Even better, just have everything delivered by postal drone aircraft
Mass extermination
>>28770590Pubic transport sucks donkey balls, and making driving worse instead of making pubtrans better is exactly what I meant by "psychotic urbanist making people suffer for no reason".>>28770598People are already doing that, and we're getting overrun in our homelands by thirdies because population line go up or boomer stonks go down, and we can't have that.
>>28770518Well first off instead of just sitting behind somebody in the left lane actually try to get them out of that lane. If YOU aren't going to do that move over and let a non beta do it. >>28770556Driving slow in perfect conditions means you are extremely unconfident which is extremely dangerous.
>>28770518DEPORT DEPORT DEPORT
>>28770547>>28770557OY VEY
>>28770518population reduction.
>>28770590Burn in hell, communist
>>28770518Step One: Office drones should work from home.Step 2: Incentivize blue collar types to live closer to their workStep 3: Make delivery great again
Public transport. As much as some will screech its communism like >>28770830, getting retarded cattle who don't even know their cars have oil in them off the road is the easiest way to lessen traffic. However that doesn't mean punishing the ones that do remain, though, unlike >>28770590's baiting.
>>28770838Agreed on WFH if possibleWhat if blue collar types can't afford to live close to their work? Or if they don't have a fixed work location (construction, delivery, house cleaning, etc.)
>>28770845>What if...All you can do is try. It'll never be perfect just better than what exists.
>>28770838Not bad ideas desu. What's step 3 though? How will making delivery great again reduce traffic? Serious, non facetious, question.
>>28770518Price out half the retards out on the road. Car, insurance, maintenance, gas. Raise them all up to squeeze them out. Bonus points for other factors such as this smart anon mentions >>28770536.>>28770563Nobody cares about your bitch preferences. Wahhhhh let me drive. Better be able to afford it faggot. That's the best way to force a big chunk of you retards that shouldn't be on the road to begin with.
>>28770518Instead of adding lanes just build more roads so everyone within a 20mi radius isnt funnelled onto the same road going to the same destination.
>>28770518Deport all browns. They cause too much traffic, pollution, crime, housing cost increases, job market competition, etc. At this point no one, not even libshits sees any benefit to keeping hundreds of millions of browns here. This was a failed experiment.
>>28770527Browns will breed anyway, and you'll pay for it.
>>28770671>Pubic transport sucks donkey ballsSomebody has never been to Tokyo.
>>28770518Stop letting women and minorities drive
>>28770518Stop letting in a gorillion niggers, asians and pajeets into the country every year would be a wonderful fucking start.
>>28770518According to the retards, you just replace every road with a narrow unmaintained gravel path and build really nice bike lanes and due to induced demand everyone will switch to bicycling
>>28770518Get rid of all brown people
>>28770518Different work hours.
>>28770671So you are too scared to catch a bus huh... Guessing you were bullied at school, and a manlet.>>28770830Let's see if you can describe accurately what communism is. You won't.
>>28770965This.People who are to scared, or low IQ to figure out public transport can always walk, cycle, or maybe get a skateboard etc.
>>28771827>>28771828LOL
>>28771321So you saying white people don't use cars.
>>28770519they just cause more traffic when they get splatted.
The world population needs to be reduced from 8 billion to roughly 500 million.
>>28770518The way you get rid of traffic is simple, but no one will do it because the solution I will now suggest to you will seem like it's some torture device out of the middle ages despite the fact that it's simplicity will lead to no traffic, regardless of extra lanes, more public transportation, tolls, getting rid of illegals, etc.The solution is: stagger the work day. Traffic is an issue because the vast majority of people work 9 to 5. So the hours before 9 and after 5 are peak traffic hours. Make so jobs start earlier, 7 AM for example,make some jobs start later,11 AM/12 PM for example, and what you will have is full highways and streets, but full highways and streets that MOVE at the speed limit. instead of the crawl we all know and suffer as peak hours of traffic.
>>28770518Use AI to drive people.That would remove 50% of traffic.Deport any illegals would also help.
>>28770518>How do we stop traffic?Extremely cheap and ubiquitous public transportation.It'll always be funny, and sad, that people who love cars are always the most against the thing that would get the most undesirable people off the road (the people who would rather not drive and who know nothing about cars, but who have to drive because there is no reasonable alternative) and improve driving for everyone else.
>>28771932This.And also make it so expensive and unpleasant to drive that no one will want to do it.
>>28771932Public transport should be free for the public. But office drones can work from home and connect to the office via the internet.Roads can't get any wider so the only way forward is to reduce the number of vehicles on the roads. Free public transport and working from home will have this effect.
>>28771940>make it so expensive and unpleasant to drive that no one will want to do it.Mexiods will drive all day if they can make $3 doing it. I can't imagine how unpleasant you would have to make it to stop them.
>>28770948I'll admit to being flippant with that one, hence the phrasing, though the general idea is that instead of 10 people and their cars out getting stuff you've got 1 guy in a vehicle bringing the stuff to them. Basically wanting to recreate the driving conditions of the lockdown period as much as possible since delivery was comparatively cheap then due to venture capital.Note that I don't have an actual plan on how to do any of this, I figured that's what public discourse is for, hammering out the details with input from those as know something about what they're talking about (oh, the naivete...) though it would naturally take the proverbial One Man to set it in motion.
>>28771344Notice that there are significantly fewer niggers
>>28770518Require intelligence testing to obtain a driving license.
>>28770518>How do we stop traffic?naked women tend to stop traffic. when i se a pretty girl walking on the sidewalk i slow down almost to a stop to get a better look at her.
Personal Hovercrafts.
>>28772144Haha, this in embarrassing but I said hovercraft when I meant to say jetpack. Oh boy!
>>28770518mandate wfh for all white collar workers who can realistically wfh. all non-compliance is punished by personally fining executives.
decentralise the population. fewer people going to the same few places. or just build a freeway on/off ramp to everyone's doorstep.
>>28771344it sucks in Tokyo too, there's a reason why Japan has to put its population's balls in a vise to stop them from owning cars. Go try and buy something that isn't a Kei car in Japan and watch how quickly the taxman rapes you to death.
>>28771344>So kawaii 8D
>>28772274Hey ,this doesn't look like anime
>>28770518I dont mind the traffic, i just listen to tunes.
Japan does capitalism better than USA. The Auto lobby cucked USA so hard away from public transportation and mixed zoning that they can't admit it was a mistake. Meanwhile in Japan people who dont want or cant drive just hop on the reliable train system and are fine. Meanwhile anyone who is enthusiastic about cars drives in decreased traffic making their lives better. >inb4 skin colors, crime and smelly buses Japan is almost a complete police state with a cop on every corner, these things dont happen on their own.
>>28772620The reason why japan relies so much on rail is that everything is on the train station. The shops are there, the bank is there, the restaurants are there, etc. it's the closest thing the japanese have to what us would be the shopping mall. And everyone is living at worst, a half an hour walk from the closest train station. Even if you need to travel 100+ miles away, odds are your destination is gonna be by the train station once you arrive, so unless you live out in the boonies, having a car is more of a waste of money and a liability.The only reason to own a car in Japan is as a flex, to let other people know you're not a poorfag like they are.
>>28770518enforce a 4 second minimum follow distance by penalty of death. watch any traffic simulation, phantom traffic jams are soley caused if and only if retards are following too close. >>28770577literally only an issue when people drive too close.
Here's what I think based on some of the posts here, in no specific order:- intelligence, spatial awareness, and language testing (and occasional retesting)- white collars work from home- better enforcement of certain laws, or make new laws (ticket slow drivers in the passing lanes, ticket drivers who do not stagger lanes, etc)- individual lane speed limit ranges: right lane 20–35 mph for entry and exit or just general granny driving, middle lane 35–70 for cruising, left 70+ for passingThoughts?
>>28772919Almost forgot, the last idea can be adapted for local driving as well.
>>28772919Reduce those speeds
>>28770518Add tolls.It's simple supply and demand. If using the road is free, then people will use it until the "cost" of traffic makes it no longer free.
>>28772924Yeah, the speed ranges per lane took a second to figure out, but can definitely be tweaked.
Remove speed limits like germoney.
Government mandated WFH policy, removes 80% of commuters.
Cities just aren't made for cars. Bring back trams and keep cars for rural areas. Also ban buses and trucks from major cities. Trucks should transport their cargo to smaller vans if they need to deliver there.
>>28772620>tax private car ownership so hard only the rich can afford it>"just good capitalism, bro!"go back, >>>/n/igger
>>28770518The world needs a good culling. It would solve a lot of problems.
>>28770518No nukes?How about gas.>>28770521More lanes = more lane switching = decreased effectiveness of each lane. Past a certain point more lanes = even slower traffic.Instead, we can use induced demand to our advantage and build more individual roads with fewer lanes.Also, deportations, and a lot of phosgene.
>>28775586By the end of this cycle we'll have another "mysteriously large moon" courtesy of God. And we'll have deserved it.
>>28775591aspergers?
>>28770518>>28770557>>28770830>How do we stop traffic?>Getting people off of the road for the people who actually want to drive, so investing in public transportation is the answer>WHAT ARE YOU, COMMUNIST????Oh sorry I forgot my taxes are for Israel and not making my community better my fucking mistake holy fuck
>>28770518Stop importing third worlders for the GDP growth.Growth for the sake of growth has a name.Its called Cancer.
>>28775599Low iq?
>>28775615no, just thought it was funny how you needed to argue with someone you agreed with over some extreme unapplicable edge case. i deal with people like you at work all the time and it's always aspergers.
>>28772972I'll pay a toll for driving a la carte if, and only if, all gas taxes and other such road maintenance taxes are abolished.Oh, you're not going to do that, you just want regressive taxes? Get fucked.
>>28775602>If you don't want to sit in a tin can with a bunch of homeless fentanyl zombies the law refuses to do anything about, you must be a Zionist!Yes, communists tend to completely misrepresent their opposition's points, you lying rat commie.
>>28775667You wanna guess what properly appropriated taxes would help fix? I'll give you 3 guesses. :)
>>28770518Make public transit to high traffic destinations a good alternative to driving by kicking out niggers, thirdies, bums, and tweakers. Also make the service fare-free.If I had the choice between sitting in traffic for an hour or riding a clean and nigger-free bus/train for 1.5 hours and $0 I'll pick public transit for those times when I won't need a car.People don't want to use public transit, though, because it's dirty and unsafe and you're commuting next to some crackhead mumbling to himself.
>>28775736Yeah we're not getting away from zionism, taking an interest in our own people/affairs would be extremely antisemitic, we gotta keep the discussion realistic.>>28776583You can drop the "fare-free" part, I wouldn't even mind paying a nominal fee, just get the undesirables away from me and especially the women and children that are supposed to ride this bus.
>>28770518>Adding lanes don't workIf adding lanes didn't work you haven't added enough yet, although adding *roads* would be better still.>how do we do it br/o/s?Mass deportations have already been proven to be effective and are easier and cheaper than building roads.
>>28770518Better public transport. I'd get the train to work everyday if the parking at the station wasn't always maxed out by 6am or if the trains actually ran on time, but no, so instead I have to drive to guarantee I get to work since traffic is somehow more predictable than a fucking train schedule.
>>28775665>all gas taxes and other such road maintenance taxes are abolished.Agreed. Also there's nothing wrong with regressive taxes (beyond the fact that they are taxes).
>>28770518Make the right to work from home a law.Make public transport free.Make it easier to get a motorcycle license.Make lane splitting for motorcycles legal.
>>28770518Depopulate
Public transport will never be accepted by people until you get rid of you know what
I can say with some certainty that the new enviro lib idea of developing new neighborhoods with purposely shitty road systems does NOT, in fact, reduce the amount of traffic still trying to squeeze through them. Their theory is if traffic sucks because they made it suck on purpose, fewer people will drive there.
>>28776821>Make it easier to get a motorcycle license.It's already absurdly easy. If anything, I would want motorcycle licensing to be mandatory. Anyone under 21 and adults who have never held a license at all can only hold a motorcycle license. Having a motorcycle license for 5 years will entitle them to take a class and retest into a proper car driver's license. Think bikes are scary and want to be in a car instead? Tough, you gotta do your time on two wheels first.
Make it several times harder to get a license.
>>28777602There's more reasons to be in a car over a crotch rocket than the extreme risk. Anyway, good luck getting women (you know, half the voting population) on board with sticking their little angels on those things through high school and beyond.
>>28777746>thinks all motorcycles are "crotch rockets"
