Call me a faggot or whatever you want for this but I want a kei truck, they're small, cute and I like the square headlights on those 90's/early 00's models. I know they aren't built for Canada but if I put a protective coat on the bottom it should last awhile. What's the best one to look for in the type of average 6-8 hour short distance drive country I live in?
>>28770808You really think it's a good idea using something like that to travel 8 hours when the average vehicle around you has more displacement in a single cylinder than you have combined? That's just dangerous and you're going to have semi trucks passing you and creating an even bigger clusterfuck.
>>28770811I don't really have a reason to get a family vehicle or a big Ford pickup or even a sports car or anything, I would like to avoid owning more then one vehicle and I like these, not super likely to go on the highway normally anyway.
>>28770808>Call me a faggot or whatever you want for this but I want a kei truck, they're small, cute and I like the square headlights on those 90's/early 00's models. Wow that’d be so cool I bet your a super cool guy totally unique just like those RAD little 90s-00s trucks!
Why don't you just get a small truck which has an actual truck engine, instead of a 660cc motorcycle engine mandated by Japanese tax laws?
>>28770829If that's supposed to be sarcasm cool, if not I don't think I'm rad at all, I just have an aesthetic in mind and would like some wheels.
>>28770808post better bait, this is pathetic. I can say with 100% confidence that you and>>28770834are one in the same.you're so buckbroken by kei trucks that you're making threads just to cry about them.
>>28770852 I genuinely don't know what you're on about I just wanted an answer to a question.
>>28770834Well are they kei truck sized? I like the whole small box truck sized thing they have going, like the only one I know that's 4 cylinder is the subaru sambar.
>>28770855>no way buddy I'm not posting a gay bait thread!I get it, you hate kei trucks and want to pretend people that like them are completely retarded just so you can jerk off to the dyna. you're not subtle and you should kill yourself.
>>28770863You aren't making any fucking sense my guy, I made this thread because I was asking a question about small cute trucks and nobody's answering it, I'm relatively new to my license and wanted something small, cubed and Japanese, but Alberta's kinda unforgiving in its size.
>>28770872It’s one guy who seethes at anyone asking why anyone would buy a kei truck over simply a compact cabover.
>>28770858Small Trucks come in any size you could want.From useless kei sized trucks all the way up to medium car sized trucks.Why gimp yourself with a 660cc engine, which only exist because of a Japanese tax law, if you're not in Japan?
>>28770872Kei trucks are just about the absolute worst vehicle you could possibly get for long distance trips.They're not comfortable and can barely do highway speeds. They're utility trucks meant for small japanese roads with low speed limits. Get one if you want for around town, but they will never be good for distance driving. They're 1500lb mini trucks that top out at 70-75. If you get into basically any front end collision you're probably dead.
>>28770878This is some weird mistake, I haven't said a word against kei trucks and every comment in this thread should reflect that>>28770880I don't really have any preference on engine size or whatever, again I'm relatively new to cars, this is about aesthetics but tolerating my local long open roads.If you know a good series can you inform me please, any model like the subaru sambar looks pretty cool
>>28770890> I'm relatively new to cars, this is about aestheticsaverage kei truck enthusiast
>>28770887This is why I'm asking, I would most likely use it for around town, I don't go places much.However if I did ANYWHERE is pretty far from me. This'll sound apathetic but if I did get in some sorta collision I'd rather take death then whatever long term injury the dumbass drunk driving would cause me, this is however irrelevant if there's a good safe model you know of.
>>28770890I don't know if subaru has a bigger version of the sambar, but suzuki made the suzuki super carry, which has an extended cab and a 1.5l engine making ~3x the horsepower compared to the normal carry's 660cc engine. I don't know much about them, but that's where I would start looking. A normal kei (suzuki carry, honda acty, subaru sambar, mitsubishi minicab, daihatsu hijet, mazda scrum, etc) is horrible for what you want. you could also look into kei vans if you don't care about the truck aspect. They're popular for making mini sleeper vans out of. I know a guy that goes overlanding with one
>>28770896>This'll sound apathetic but if I did get in some sorta collision I'd rather take death then whatever long term injury the dumbass drunk driving would cause me, this is however irrelevant if there's a good safe model you know of.Outside of really bad accidents nowadays, you'll walk away with just some temporary aches in most car crashes with modern cars. Crumple zones are actually fucking magic.
>>28770808lol you will die in that way. >>28770811Ssshhhh, let those stupid weebcels live in their delusional bubble until they get ACK'd by the normal car. filename
>>28770897Holy shit finally something I can use, thanks. I do care more about the box truck thing but maybe if there's a box van model of some of these it would work also for carrying my dobsonian telescope around in winter.>>28770899Well of there's a series you know that's got that style and relatively small that's safe that'd be cool
>>28770907it's so funny to me that you keep posting this horribly cropped picture to act like this is just an ordinary collision between a kei truck and a car.
>>28770808
>>28770913>>28770907the two passenger vehicles were a suzuki every and a vw tiguan. They got crushed between 2 semis. you'd die in literally any car in that situation.
>>28770911>relatively small that's safeno such thing.Modern keis are sort of safe compared to older ones much like every car now is safer than their older predecessors, but you can't design your way around physics.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8liH4qxnBCoSmaller car means smaller crumple zone.
>>28770808Could you stick a cute little turbo and some silly little air suspension on it, and would that make it somewhat tolerable at highway speeds?
>>28770939The subaru sambar had an NA version making ~40hp, or a rare factory supercharged version making ~55.the suzuki carry uses the same f6a as the suzuki capuccino, so you could buy a straight bolt on turbo for the carry.Same story with the honda acty which came with an e07z, which had a factory turbo available in some other cars in their lineup.All turbo keis were limited to 63hp, but could actually make ~70-80From what I've researched, the sambar has the highest top speed and the most cabin room, as well as an easily serviceable 4 banger, and is generally considered the most easy to live with kei truck. Actys are a close 2nd.Gearing is ultimately what determines your top speed though, not hp so long as you make enough power to redline in your tallest gear. Bigger tires can help.
>>28770939the lengths gei truck enthusiasts go to instead of simply buying a small truck with an actual truck engine
>>28770968no funand I can't imagine a slightly larger truck with a 4 pot would make for much of a highway cruiser either>>28770963based effort posterknow if anyone makes aftermarket rear ends for any of these?
>>28770970You don't believe having more than 660ccs would make a truck significantly better for driving on the highway?
>>28770980Like >>28770963 points out, they're speed limited by their gearing. The real obstacle to highway driving is ride quality and the fact that any collision will turn you into paste. I can't imagine a townace is much less crashy, and it's still only got a 100hp 1.5l 4cylinder. Maybe it has marginally better crash protection.
>>28770998the townace is also ~4 feet longer. it's not even in the same category by any stretch of the imagination. https://www.toyotavantech.com/forum/showthread.php?5208-So-how-slow-is-everyones-van>I averaged 46mph on hwy 101. No traffic just me sitting there in the van. >I don’t push it past 70/75mph but can sustain that for a while.>My hiace cruises flat at 105kmh, barely goes 120kmh and chugs up the pass at 45khmironically the truck he keeps shilling has the same top speed as the average kei.
>>28770963so you would say the sambar is almost just a regular tolerable car in a sense? i hear it and the acty is 4wd in most versions, which is very important for canadian weather here.
>>28771142>so you would say the sambar is almost just a regular tolerable car in a sense?not sure I'd go that far. It's still slow as fuck and small as fuck. I also have very very little first hand experience, I've driven one one time for about 30 minutes. Most of what I know about kei trucks is just research and talking to people who have them. I will say that when I do get one the sambar is at the top of my list though, and I've lived with similarly slow cars. Old econoboxes weren't much faster or bigger. Also I think all kei trucks have 2wd and 4wd variants, with their 4wd versions being great in the snow. I don't know if you know much about Japan, but Hokkaido is one of the snowiest places in the world, getting 40+ feet a year. Japs actually know how to handle snow pretty well
>>28770834>why don't you get the truck that costs $10,000 instead of the truck that costs $4,000?
>>28770808You will be importing all parts and maintenance items aside from fluids and belts. Do you have that money to waste?Do you want to hurt every time you get out of it because the japanese believe you should suffer for your work?Do you want to wear earplugs all day because you need to redline it to keep up with traffic?Do you want to be buying all those imported maintenance parts significantly more often than necessary because you're having to redline it everywhere you go?The used car market is fucked, but buying "le ebbiq quirky nippon minitruck" is not a viable answer.
kei trucks are fucking great for city streets, for the highways not so much I'd buy it if I had to deliver some shit like washing machines within the city
>>28771263Basically this. I think a Toyota Hilux Champ is the answer but I doubt you can import it in America Oblast. It's a 10k USD pick up truck, with around 150hp
>>28771252I must admit it's pretty based that Townace chads hold their value that much better than gei trucks because they're actually useful
>>28770925>>28770913The driver in that kei truck died instantly. The others in the car are still alive.
>>28771263Let me add: Driving a tiny cuckbox (kei truck) for 8 hours would wreck your back.
>>28771268I've had people tell me about the toyota hilux/4runner as a "realistic" choice for a vehicle, realistically i wouldn't have an affordable one for more then a year considering how rusted out the ones under 300,000 kms are, the costs would absolutely be more to repair those then get one of these.
>>28770808Honestly I can't see these as a lot worse than a ford rangerId like to own one one day
>>28771263>Do you want to hurt every time you get out of it because the japanese believe you should suffer for your work?>Do you want to wear earplugs all day because you need to redline it to keep up with traffic?>Do you want to be buying all those imported maintenance parts significantly more often than necessary because you're having to redline it everywhere you go?Why do people with zero experience chime in so often here?
>>28771447>The driver in that kei truck died instantly. The others in the car are still alive.why are you lying?2 people died. There was 1 person in the kei truck. Take a guess where the other one was. And again, literally any car that's sandwiched between two big rigs is going to result in you fucking dying. Kei trucks aren't safe, but using this as an example is fucking retarded. >>28771302>a truck that cost more new costs more usedwoah. I think you'd shit yourself if you saw how much people pay for dump beds and fire trucks.
>>28771263Dude, it's not that serious. At this point, buying from Yahoo Auctions Japan is just slightly less convenient than buying from a seller in the US on eBay with slow shipping. These things are basic and reliable as fuck, if you buy one that's good to start with, you won't need to do anything but oil changes (the oil filter is the same as an RX-8 [and a bunch of other cars, but that's the easiest one to name drop]). If you change the rims (again, buy while it's still in Japan if your importer doesn't suck), you can make it run USDM Mitsubishi Mirage tires so you can get them at any tire shop. There are also more and more stateside parts shops if you need it ASAP for slightly more money. These things are easier to work on than any licence-plate-able vehicle I've ever seen, most things can be done without even needing a lift.
>>28770907All cars are fucked when a semi truck is involved:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrV4kYAfLCgKei cars crash extremely well for their size. Being smaller also gives them more escape paths if the driver isn't a faggot.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGIDpP3waBU
>>28772191>These things are easier to work on than any licence-plate-able vehicle I've ever seen, most things can be done without even needing a lift.I don't know if your sambars/actys/etc kei trucks are anything like working on a samurai, but holy fuck it is actually the single easiest car to work on I've ever owned. Mine's lifted a few inches so I have a bit more room than normal, but I've never needed to even use a jack or ramps. It's stupid simple and every single part is easily accessible. After getting it, it only made me want a sambar even more.
>>28772208>when a semi truck is involved:Even worse, 2 semi trucks. It was literally sandwiched between 2 semis and an SUV at highway speeds.
>>28771263>>28772191There is also a non-insignificant community of people in the states that deal with these things, people buy and sell parts from each other frequently.
>>28772257there are multiple businesses that deal exclusively in imported kei truck parts. anon is just a clueless retard with a blind seething hatred of small trucks for some reason. probably a deere employee
>>28772208this is more or less the same accident, just with 1 less car to act as a buffer.
Not to boil it down but it seems the Suzuki Super Carry, a supercharged Subaru Sambar (if rare to find) and the Toyota Townace are the most realistic to manage and quote-on-quote usable daily japanese boxtrucks, not *great* for open roads but usable if forced to.this is the rare case i can say this but thanks anon.
Any of the 4cyl ones over 1L will do it
HiJet with a K3-VE
>>28770808They have stupid short gearing. The engine will be screaming its head off at 60 mph and you will be having the opposite of fun and comfort.
>>28771605The old Ford rangers had between 2.3l and 4.0l of displacement. Kei trucks are limited to 0.7. A regular cab ranger was ~14-15' depending on cab and bed; the key trucks are limited to like 11'. It's a big damn difference. I loved my ranger as a smol trugg and hope to buy another someday, but the key trucks are built for dense city living and tax/regulatory compliance and really didn't make sense outside of that. Now a kei roadster, perhaps with a motor swap... That I might do.
>>28772310Apparently some folks have had success swapping the rear end from a Honda Beat into an Acty, that plus some bigger wheels and tires might be enough to make it sorta tolerable. Only problem is you have to sacrifice a silly little sports car for it.
>>28770808My main issue with kei trucks is if you get in a big crash, you're dead. These vehicles are made for sleepy roads, not for stroads where cars are going 45+ miles an hour. All it takes is one urban youth in a Charger being an idiot to ruin your life.
>>28772269>ree if you don't mindlessly chant your love of underpowered, undersized, undersupported glorious nipponese golf cart trucks then you're retarded!There's a dealer for these things a town over from me, if you ask them about parts they just try to sell you a new one because it takes a minimum of 3 months to get parts shipped in, the only time I see these trucks is when the local farms that got scammed into one have their barns open and I see them in a corner being used as a shelf, not once have I seen one being driven anywhere, and the most mobile I've seen one is strapped to a flatbed with 4 flat tired headed in the direction of the scrapyard.
I own a Suzuki Carry. I can assure you that "long-distance" and "kei-truck" are antonyms.They're extremely barebones industrial machines, with almost no comfort. You're cramped, the levers shift like in a 1940s tractor, the seats' padding is as if it wasn't even there, and if you're tall you'll drive them all hunched forward. Also, they're very slow, they shake a lot and they handle poorly on curves.They're like sidecars or Ape, or just any radically industrial vehicle.
>>28771302>because they're actually usefulanon the bed is only, what, 1.5x larger than the kei truck bed? most people getting these trucks to use them are getting them because it's all they need. if they needed anything bigger, they wouldn't be shopping for kei trucks
>>28772653>akshually a 350kg payload is all I need!I suppose that would be sufficient to carry your soi late back from the trendy cafe. Most people getting these trucks are getting them because:>I don't really have any preference on engine size or whatever, again I'm relatively new to cars, this is about aesthetics
>>28771263If you buy from a Japanese broker, you can ask them to supply you with a bunch of spare parts and ship it with the truck.
>>28772463>because it takes a minimum of 3 months to get parts shipped inKill yourself.
>>28772775>waah your dealer buys parts from the source and not my favorite resellers that is literally fascism!I don't know what the fuck you're trying to brag about you brain-cramped zoomer retard.
>>28773384You're bitching about parts availability while ignoring places where parts are readily available.
>>28772210Believe it or not, it's even easier than a Jimny. At least the Sambar is, can't personally speak to the Suzuki/Daihatsu/Mitsubishi as I haven't really done a deep dive on them. I've heard the Acty is one of the worst because the engine is dead center, but even then it's probably easier than just about any standard USDM car.>>28772310The 5 speed manuals, especially 1999 and newer, do about 5k RPM at 110 kmh (68 mph). That sounds high for a giant Western displacement engine, but considering it's basically a detuned 660cc motorcycle 4 cylinder, it's absolutely nothing.>>28772458As we've covered in the thread, you're fucked in any car if Jamal's Hellcat smokes you going 100+ mph. In single car crashes or glancing blows, keis do pretty good, and in direct hits at higher speeds, you probably won't survive no matter what you're in unless it's an absolute tank. Keis are also smaller so they have more escape paths.>>28772463LOL, you could probably get some parts overnighted if it's a common enough replacement and stocked in the US. Even from Japan you're only looking at 2-3 weeks for a slow ship. There are more parts out there for these, both new and used, than for probably any other single vehicle ever made because they made an absolute metric fuck ton of them in Japan. You'd probably have a harder time getting parts for a brand new car, back years ago when I got in a mild fender bender with a panic braking retard, my then 3 year old car took over a month to get one of the parts, I would've been fixed and back on the road if it was a kei truck.>>28772608Your Carry is a piece of shit, then. While I wouldn't call it spacious or want to do a long haul in one (though I did drive it 4 hours from the port), the shifter is fine, it doesn't shake, it handles great, etc. You have a clapped turd because either you or your scam artist importer bought a piece of shit from auction instead of buying from a Japanese dealer.
>>28772747WTF are you hauling on a regular basis that's more than 770 lbs? And BTW that's based on some autistic road wear calculation done by the Japanese Ministry of Transport, you can easily go to 1000 without breaking a big sweat and do as much as about 2000 for a short distance.>>28772753Only if container shipping, which is way more expensive. RORO shipping (car boat) specifically forbids "using your car as a shipping container" and will confiscate loose items in your car unless it's like a sun shade or something trivial like that. However, if you're smart and work with the right exporter, you can pay a based Nipponese mechanic to overhaul everything (full timing belt/water pump/etc. kit) so you won't need to do any real maintenance for years and tens of thousands of miles. If you want to add things like seat covers, new mirrors, bed liner, etc., you can also have the mechanic just put them on/in/etc. for less than shipping and if it's part of the car when it ships, you're good.It doesn't matter anyway, though, there are tons of parts on eBay nowadays or Yahoo Auctions Japan and thanks to weebs buying anime figurines there's a ton of Japan->US shipping services for fairly reasonable prices.>>28773384You're the one bitching that parts are hard to get when they aren't. No, Subaru USA doesn't stock Subaru JP parts, so you gotta either import them yourself or buy from someone that did. Either way, not that hard and basically like buying anything off Amazon/eBay anyway.
>>28773536>WTF are you hauling on a regular basis that's more than 770 lbs?lmaoYes some of us are actually men who have wood fires and mix cement and build things out of steel.
>>28773522>Believe it or not, it's even easier than a Jimny.I'm soldeven more sold than I was before
>>28773536>WTF are you hauling on a regular basis that's more than 770 lbs?reminder that the 350kg limit is another japanese regulation. the actual max payload is easily double that. There's a video of a guy hauling a pallet of cinder blocks (~2500lbs) with a kei truck. Something autismo doesn't understand is japan has strict numbers to make vehicles fall under different categories. to be x, it can't make over _hp, can't have over _ displacement, can't be over _ kg. But instead of actually follow those guidelines, every japanese manufacturer has an agreement to just write down those numbers regardless of the true specs.that's why the beat, az1, copen, cappuccino, etc all coincidentally made exactly 63hp. It's why the acty, sambar, carry, etc all can handle exactly 350kg.it's why the rx7, gtr, sti, evo, etc all made exactly 276hp
>>28772747>I suppose that would be sufficient to carry your soi late back from the trendy cafeAnon I've seen people get kei vans, not trucks, and they use them as parts haulers for hauling engines, transmissions, and other such to and fro>>I don't really have any preference on engine size or whatever, again I'm relatively new to cars, this is about aestheticsOh, you're one of those faggots who get real mad about people buying trucks because they just want it, huh?
>>28773573post truck or you're larping
>>28773804In japan, I saw one with 3 bikes in the bed. Anon is a baby back bitch
>>28773805lolmao
>>28773804The proof is in the pudding buddy, you can keep pretending that a utilitarian minded person would prefer a 660cc motorcycle engine in their truck even though there's absolutely no rational reason why they would, yet here is OP plainly admitting he's only in it for the quirk chungus points - to the suprise of absolutely no one.
>>28773887I accept your concession
hino trucks have the same cute boxy cabover aesthetic and are actually useful in the winder when you remember to flip the AWD on
>>28772441My .6 moves my ass around better than any old shitbox ranger
>>28774151>hino trucksThis is the smallest vehicle they sell in the US.
>>28774151>>28774946forgot pic :(
>>28774946They don't sell gei trucks in the U.S either so how's that relevant?
>>28774990if I'm importing a truck, I'll get the one I want. not the one you want.
>>28775046You want a 660cc motorcycle engine in your truck?
>>28775128yup
>>28775139not one CC bigger?
>>28775282nopein fact give me 2ccs less
>>28775284Phew! Isn't lucky that the Japanese introduced a tax law to restrict small trucks to the exact number of CCs you wanted!
>>28773573>wood fires and mix cementThat's why you need a F350 as your daily?
>>28773573>wood fires and mix cement and build things out of steel.
>>28775888>>28775664you know he's larping because he says cement and not concrete.
>>28775892You can tell he's larping because not once has he posted a truck or construction materials or any of his highly masculine projects.
>>28775664you got him bra!
>>28775888MOGGED
>>28775917>*closes eyes*>"SEE HE DIDN'T POST TRUCK HE'S A LARPER!!!"this is some next level cope buddy
>>28776318>this is some next level cope buddythanks for finally admitting it
>>28776400we can all still see the posts buddy, closing your eyes convinces no one but yourself.
>>28776405Are the pictures of you hauling wood and steel and cement in the thread with us now?
>>28775888>32 bags of concrete>a dozen treated 4x4sthat's like 2500lbs in the bed of the kei truckb-b-b-but I thought they could only handle 770 before collapsing in on themselves?????
>>28776465OH NO NO NO HE'S ALREADY SHIFTING THE GOALPOSTS
>>28776509jews don't want you to know this but you can overload literally any car
>>28775917>b-but I towed a car>once>4 years ago!>this means you can't possibly use a kei truck!he's like a pseudo anti-truck faggot
OH NO NO NOLOOK AT THE COPE
>>28776890>I do [things]Prove it>no
>>28776896>bottomed out suspension>broken heap>shit thrown wherever>>28775888>not bottomed out suspension>clean and organized>clearly doing what it was intended to do
>>28776896retards would literally rather do this than admit a tiny little truck could be useful sometimes
>>28777399are you kidding? the schizo has never even seen a log, let alone transported one. The biggest load he's transported was his boyfriend's from the bed to the toilet.
>>28777354Looks pretty sacked out on both
>>28777422The kei truck is definitely maxed out, but it can still drive
>>28777215>"post truck or larp"*posts truck*>*closes eyes*>"see he won't post his truck he's a larper!"Average gei truck enthusiast cope
>>28777896m8 there's more than 1 person itt. Surely if you actually did all the things you pretend you do, you could easily post a picture. I'm a woodworker and knife maker, I can post plenty of pictures of different things I've made over the years. But again, you said cement which is an instant tell that you're a clueless moron that doesn't actually do anything with his hands.
>>28777898>YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY CARRY THINGS HEAVIER THAN 350KG!!!>NOBODY DOES THAT!!!!>YOU MUST BE LARPING!!!!!!!!!!Whatever helps you cope with buying a useless meme truck lmao
>>28777910hit a nerve, did I?
Keis are good around town vehicles, but they can't get out of their own way uphill. I wouldn't be doing a lot of freeway driving on one unless it's turbo or supercharged.
>>28777912Apparently I hit a nerve if you have to cope like this
