If someone made an EV that is just 4 wheels, batteries, engine, body panels and maybe A/C, I'd buy it. But they don't make 'em like that, every EV is crammed chock full of techy garbage from muh future, even budget chink stuff is more smartphone than car. Why can't we have an EV with nothing but the bits that make it go? I'd buy one. I'd buy five, for the price of one Tesla.
Didn't you kind of just describe the Model 3? It has almost nothing in it besides seats and a single screen. It's hard to get less "techy garbage" than that
>>28772878It's funny you think technology == a screen
>>28772794if you invest 1 billion USD and 10 years I'll make you that car, anon>>28772878and an iphone is merely a glass lozenge, you just happen to get the spyware for free.
>>28772794Or you can just ignore all that tech. It's like my retarded sister who also doesn't like tech(she uses a physical calendar on a wall instead of Google calendar lmao), who purchased a Google nest thermostat and smart fridge and smart washing machine and dryer, but doesn't connect them to wifi.
>>28772794Can you explain why you want less tech in the car? What is your goal? A cheaper car? Cause tech is cheap as hell, removing it all would just reduce the cost of a $40k car by $2k. If it's because it's distracting, you can just ignore it or turn off features that annoy you. It's meant to be seamless with the driving experience. If you think it's just cool having a basic car without tech, well that's not true in the slightest. High tech is the cool thing nowadays.
>>28772794I also AC, a heated windscreen, mirrors, seat and steering wheel. Not sure I need much else tbqh
>>28772794Most of that tech is standard for every car, not just EVs. The Chinese overdo it but most tech can be either ignored or is part of safety regulations. Low tech EVs like Kia Niro are basically ICE cars running on battery.
>>28772794>>28772878The model 3 is like $35k an exactly what ur looking for
>>28772880Good thing I don't think that, I guess...
Is Model 3 really a low tech car though? It having fuck all physical buttons is not the same as being low tech. Teslas still have a feature set that is beyond most other brands. But I find fear of tech in cars overplayed and maybe OP is actually talking about electronics? Because they aren't necessarily mutual. The BMW Neue Klasse is obviously more high tech than previous iterations but BMW says they cut down significantly on electronics and wiring.
>>28772878>It has almost nothing in it besides seats and a single screenWhat about the LTE antennas? Cameras all around uploading video for '''Tesla engineers''' to see? The geofencing capabilities already being used in Teslas in China (let me guess, "they'll never do that here")?I literally cannot think of a single more "techy garbage" vehicle on the market globally than any model of Tesla. They are essentially rolling black boxes that are some of the worst privacy violations that have ever been allowed in public.OP is basically asking for something like a 1999 Camry or Accord but with an electric motor powering the wheels, not an iPhone on wheels.
>>28772985Oh. Well then he's just stupid.
>>28773005>t.
>>28772794It's called a golf cart, retard. Why do you people think it's the giant tablet and a couple of cameras adding to the cost of modern vehicles?
>>28772794The Lucid Air is damn near what you're asking for, or as near to it as one can expect from a modern car. Physical steering not steer by wire, physical brakes not brake by wire, static suspension with no over the top fancy damper bullshit (at least on the lower trim models), still has the primary buttons for climate control and audio not on the screen, it even has a button to make the center screen go away into the dash if you don't want to see it any more. The nav screen will still stay up, but unfortunately that is required by law at this point because new cars must have a backup camera by law. By all reviews, though, it drives incredibly well to the point of being competitive with best in class super sedans like the CT-V Blackwing and the M5 in terms of handling and fun factor.Unfortunately Lucid immediately betrayed this design philosophy with their second car, the Gravity, where they turned it into the dumbest rolling mobile app store bullshit imaginable and also failed miserably at making the software good so they got review bombed pretty hard on the Gravity. So they'll probably never make a pure car like the Air again, and when they eventually revise the Air it'll go to shit like the Gravity did.
>>28773021I'll never drive a car full of antennas (sic) and cameras. They're just rolling blackboxes that violate your privacy!-Posted from my iPhone 18 Pro
>>28772878>It has almost nothing in it besides seats and a single screen.>just use the touchscreen to control your car bro its fine
>>28773167>not using voice commandsIt's ok unc, we know you need our assistance to open a PDF.
>>28773330I don't want to have a conversation with my fucking car. I want to push a button and a thing to happen.
>>28773354Lol bro you sound exactly like the boomers who used to complain about shit as a kid.>this dang new convenient tech is too difficult! Give me interioir thing!You'd probably be demanding to be faxed when someone emails you a Google drive link.
>>28773382You have to be legitimately retarded to think that natural language voice commands are any easier than a single button press.Take a course on UX design then get back to me you fucking psued
>>28773354see, this is the exact bullshit that devalues otherwise decent argumentsthe problem isn't tech, its privacy, control and shitty UIshaving all your data siphoned for the benefit of the car company is a problem, especially when said data inevitably gets hacked and/or intentionally sold off to who knows whom having your car bricked because you did a wrongthink or because you had it repaired in an unauthorized manner or because the gubmint decided you shouldn't have mobility anymore is a problemand having a car that is unsafe and/or infuriating to use because essential functions are locked 3 menus deep in a touchscreen is also a problemwhat isn't a problem is tech itselfvery few tesla owners actually complain about the whole touchscreen only thing. the vast majority of complaints about teslas (the UI i mean, excluding build quality etc) pertain to the removal of the turn signal stalk (reverted in the recent Y). people don't complain about the touchscreen only interface because tesla has a good UI and working voice commands.irl, nobody minds the climate controls being screen only, because you don't actually have to mess with it all the time. you set it at auto 70f (21c for euros) and there it stays forever. worst case, you might move it up or down a degree or 2 when the seasons change. and if you do decide to change the temp, a voice command will work. as it will for changing the radio station or playing some song on spotify.and nobody has complained about the other issues either, because tesla hasn't been hacked (yet) and they don't appear to be selling off data, they just use it to train FSD. and ofc, they don't brick cars.on the flipside, other companies have been getting shit on profusely for their techification, but that's only because their UI sucks, voice commands don't work, they locked seat heating behind monthly subs, etc etc.its not tech that's the problem, its abuse and incompetence. do it right, and people like it a lot
>>28773410Or you could say fuck all that and just use fucking buttons and knobs.
>>28773167>>28773354Honestly you sound like a miserable person who would find problems in anything even if something was made custom to you.
>>28773423Go be entertained by blinking lights and gadgets.
>>28773415yes, you *could*, and it'd work just fine. sort of. back in the 90s you could. nowadays though, there's the problem that you actually NEED to have a screen anyway, because nav, because backup cameras, because spotify, etc etc.and also there's the problem that you can only have so many buttons in an interior before shit gets way too cluttered. at some point, you run out of places to put the buttons for the quadzone AC and the adaptive suspension and the valved exhaust and the throttle response and the traction control and the launch control and the 4wd system with its diffs and the 11-way adjustable seats and the seat heating and the seat cooling and the massage functions and the rear sunshade. like, yes, you can easily do a button only interior on a mk3 golf, but how the fuck will you do physical controls for everything a modern 5 series has?oh, and wtf are you even gonna do about adding an address to the nav, or requesting specific songs on spotify? just have people do one letter at a time with a rotary dial? stick a popping out qwerty keyboard somewhere?and even if you do find a place to put all the stuff, what about all the other things you could've used that space for? you know, like a phone charging pad, or some cup holders, or some storage spaces?so, since you're gonna have a screen anyway, you may as well use it to hide some of the less often used functions, or the ones that just work better on a screen. but you better do it well, otherwise it becomes a problem which, it has become a problem, because as discussed in the previous comments, most companies just don't have the skill to design a good UI. the screen only thing worked for tesla, because they had top tier softw engs working for them. it didn't work for the other companies, esp euro/jap ones, because have you seen what those countries pay their softw engs? all the good ones have left for the states (or are half-assing their work, because shit pay and socialist safety nets)
>>28773455I'm NTA, but there is a very, very simple metric for this kind of thing: if the function is something that you only ever toggle or use while parked, then it is okay to be in the screen. If the function is expected to be used while driving on the road, it must be a button. And if it isn't a button then it is a safety issue. Nobody should ever be using a screen while driving.
>>28773423>>28773455I use physical controls everywhere I can, I post from a desktop, I drive an older car with knobs and buttons with a cheap tablet mounted for android auto. It's pretty nice. There are nu-cars that still have mostly physical controls and only a smallish screen for the reverse camera and nav as well. They're fine.My background is in computer science. Touchscreens are very user friendly, but they require your direct attention to use, meaning they're poorly suited to anything you might need to use while driving.
>>28773460yea, i agreethe thing is tho, if you really think about it, the only things that pass the "need to be used while driving" metric are the turn signals, the lights, the wipers and the gear lever. oh, and the hazards. and the cruise control(/fsd), if its available.and the wipers and the lights can be automated very reliably, so you could take them out with no complaints. i still think there SHOULD be physical controls, just as a safety measure, but 99.9% of the time, the auto function works fine.and as tesla's move of the gear lever to the screen has showed, that's fine too, at least in cars with an auto transmission. or evs, ofc. turns out, in those cars, you only need to use the gear lever when already stopped, so having to glance at a screen is fine. climate control doesn't need to be physical, as previously argued, because modern auto climate control is a set once and forget forever affair.seat and steering wheel position controls neither, because again, you set it once and forget. even if you have multiple drivers for the same vehicle, you can switch between their respective positions based on which phone key unlocked the car, and/or have a profile selector on the screen. and obv, you won't be switching drivers while the car is on the move.seat heating/cooling, again, not essential to use while movingradio doesn't need to be physical because a) its not an essential function and b) who the fuck uses radio anymore, its all spotify, which needs a screen for text input, or, better yet, voice commandsand you could argue about volume controls/mute and phone answering, but those are almost always available on the steering wheel itselfand all that is why tesla didn't get any complaints for their ui, at least until they removed the turn signal stalk. which they now reverted.
>>28773477>climate control doesn't need to be physicalWrong. I've spent my entire life being able to adjust climate control while driving. If your car does not allow me to do that and requires me to be parked then you have lost functionality that every car I've driven for decades has had and that is a huge demerit to your car.>radio doesn't need to be physicalWrong. Again, I've had the ability to adjust radio/media while driving for my entire life. If you want to compromise your car and actively remove features everybody is used to having then fine you can make a worse car, but you can expect everybody to complain about it like they do with tablets.You can make a shittier car, sure. Nobody's gonna stop you. But people are not going to be happy to buy it or drive it.
>>28773482>muh climate control adjustmentthis isn't the 80smodern climate control is automatic. you don't have to manually control the fan speed, you don't have to manually control the voltage of the resistors that dump heatyou tell it what temp you want, and it'll handle everything to get the temp there asap. you don't need to fiddle with it constantly. realistically, the most user intensive scenario that i can think of is a car used by 2 people, eg (You) and (You)r wife (+ her boyfriend), who have vastly different temp preferences. in that scenario, the worst one i can i imagine, you have to adjust it *once* per drive, which will happen when you step in and are still parked.>I've had the ability to adjust radio/media while driving for my entirno, you haven't. radio, maybe. modern media, which means spotify (or other similar apps, i guess), no. the latter NEED a keyboard to use, which means a screen. or voice commands.> but you can expect everybody to complain about it like they do with tablets.nobody is complaining about it when its done well >But people are not going to be happy to buy it or drive it.pic related
>>28773498>modern climate control is automatic.On fancy cars. Plenty of cars still come with traditional climate control. And those cars still come with their bullshit on screens, and people fucking hate it.>>28773498>>I've had the ability to adjust radio/media while driving for my entir>no, you haven't.Yes, I have. Including the modern stuff you mention. My car has the ability to skip back and forth on tracks, adjust volume, and pause without needing to interact with the screen because that is all buttons. I can't switch to an entirely different album, sure, but you couldn't do that with a CD player while driving anyways. But if you move that shit to a screen then you've lost functionality that the fucking 80s beater I learned to drive on had. This isn't done to improve the experience, this is done because it is cheaper to glue an iPad to the dash and design the UI while the cars are being shipped to dealers than to build a proper center console with well laid out buttons.>nobody is complaining about it when its done wellReally? So we aren't people? Everybody constantly bitching about it everywhere is nobody? You even go talk to dealers at stealerships and they will tell you how negatively people tend to react to these screen-only vehicles especially after they try to drive them.>pic relatedPeople, yourself include, slob on Elon's knob all day. Doesn't mean shit. People buy those cars in spite of their terrible UX experience, not because of them.
"Some controls should never be in a screen! You should never have to take your attention away from the road to change the temperature!"Okay well you can just use voice commands that not only don't require you to take your attention off the road, you don't even have to take your hands off the wheel. And it's faster so you're even less distracted for even less time."...No I actually just want to play with the little knobs and switches while I'm driving like a fun little minigame"
>>28773518>Plenty of cars still come with traditional climate controllol?like what? a fucking lada? what car doesn't have auto climate control nowadays?>And those cars still come with their bullshit on screensHAHahAHHAHAhahAHahahAHAHAHAARE YOU FUCKIGN SERIOUS?A CAR WITH NO AUTOMATIC CLIMATE, BUT WITH CLIMATE CONTROLS ON A SCREEN?>My car has the ability to skip back and forth on tracks, adjust volume, and pause without needing to interact with the screenyea, all modern cars have that shit on the steering wheel, you're not special.>this is done because it is cheaper to glue an iPad to the dash and design the UI tesla originally did it because they had softw eng skills, but no interior design skills, nor the supply chain infrastructure and build experience needed to do a good interior. it takes a lot to do a good interior well. and it worked for them *because they actually had the softw eng skills*the other mfgs did it to cargo cult tesla after the success of the model 3 and the y. and it failed, because they didn't have the softw eng skills.lowering costs was not an issue for them, they already had their interiors designed and optimized, and they already had the supply chain and manufacturing infra needed. the cost of marginally updating for every refresh/new model was minimal>Really? So we aren't people?nope. anti EV/anti tesla shills are bots or jeets in their vast majority. neither qualifies as human>Everybody constantly bitching about itliterally nobody complains about the tesla ui. all the complaints are for other companies that have failed to do it well.>slob on Elon's knob all dayelon, and by extension tesla, has been the target of immense demonization, both in the us and especially in europe. despite that, the model y remains the best selling EV (and the 3 is not far back). pic related. however, thanks to losing a few months to retool for its refresh, the Y will likely lose the #1 overall, incl gas/diesel.
>>28773551>>Really? So we aren't people?>nope. anti EV/anti tesla shills are bots or jeets in their vast majority. neither qualifies as humanThanks for going mask off. Your "opinion" can be safely disregarded by everyone now. If you can't treat the people you're talking to with respect then you deserve no respect yourself.
>>28773551>anti EV/anti tesla shills are bots or jeets in their vast majoritypro EV shills in their entirerty are also jeets, you cannot explain their numbers otherwiise
>>28773905Nah jeets hate EVs. They love toxic emissions blackening their lungs. They thrive in dirt and pollution.
>>28772985>da government da track meIll give you a tip, they already know about the copius amounts of kiddy diddling on your harddrives, and if they genuinely cared about tracking you they would already be able to do it in 15 million other ways. A car is the absolute least of your worries. Youre a nothing to these companies and government. You end up as 0s and 1s in a server. Nobody cares. Nobody will ever care. You dont matter, none of us do. We're all just npcs living in these billionaire and polician's world. Nothing we say or do matters, and it will never matter. Just live you life lil bro Nobody cares. Theres way bigger issues to worry about like getting a job and moving out of your mom's basement
>>28773922EV tire wear is such a big pollution factor that future Euro tiers which will measure this will pretty much require wheel well filtration or castrate the motor torque drastically.And EV jeets thought they were save from EU emission bullshit, kek
>>28773926Ev tire wear is a greatly exaggerated issue. Most evs make it to 40-50k miles on the oem tires with basic rotations and alignments, which is pretty much the same for ices. are they gonna ban the sale of cars like the BMW m2 as well because its almost 4000lbs and has soft track tires that will barely last 20k? Its such a non issue.
>>28773926Not all EVs are 2000kg 400hp monsters. A Renault 5 or Hyundai Inster has most likely a low amount of tire wear, equivalent to ICE. And with that you get a car that has NO pollutions and extremely modest brake dust generation compared to ICE. You are a FUD jeet spammer.
>>28773931>FUD the laws are already signed, right now we are in the grace period before fines are applied starting in 2027
>>28772794>I'd buy it.You wouldn't
>>28772878It's so fucking computerized that I'm pretty sure it has fucking brake-by-wire and steer-by-wire. It's always online, it's always meddling, it's garbage.I meant completely dumb EV. Think of it, gas pedal can be as little as a contactor, you press it, it goes ka-chunk and the motor goes wooooosh, that's the extent of electronics an EV needs to move. That's less than an ICE needs to not be dogshit. It doesn't need to think, much less have any connection to the outside beyond the pedals and maybe wheel speed sensors. I am the one who thinks in this house. Car should serve me entirely.
>>28774303People show this video but never post another truck to compare showing the wheels turning as fast.
>>28772902>Cause tech is cheap as hell, removing it all would just reduce the cost of a $40k car by $2k.Even if that was true why wouldn't i want to save 2-3k for things that i never use at best and annoy me at worst.> If it's because it's distracting, you can just ignore it or turn off features that annoy you.You can't in a lot of things
China already does
>>28773498>you tell it what temp you wantLet me adjust this with buttons or a physical knob instead of whatever this dogshit is and we won't have a problem.
>>28773542Voice commands are ass. 600 shitzillion dollars dumped into NLP and LLMs has barely moved the needle. Literally just put a fucking button on the dash.
>>28774303>I meant completely dumb EV. Think of it, gas pedal can be as little as a contactor, you press it, it goes ka-chunk and the motor goes wooooosh, that's the extent of electronics an EV needs to move.an EV with an on/off accelerator pedal would be absolute hell to drive unless it was really underpoweredthere are analog ways to make smooth driving EV but the digital ways are cheaper and easier to engineer so they are used instead, just like in gas cars and appliances and a million other things that have electronics in them
>>28774730>Voice commands are assThey're great for those of us who grew up speaking english.
>>28774819That there is even a slight chance of a misinterpreted input makes it objectively inferior to a simple fucking button.
>>28774759Of course. I'm doing RC cars, I know full well that modern off the shelf BLDC motors and controllers are fucking magic, plus batteries bigger than 2S need some supporting electronics to not instantly fireball themselves. But all of that can be 100% airgapped.The only connection they have is to the radio controller, and that radio controller through dumb radiowaves connects to my remote, that's it. Scale up that RC car, cut the controller, sit me in it with hard-wired pedals and a direct steering column, add some 90s-tier car amenities and send it. I don't mind an ECU or a stereo in a petrol car, as long as they do only what they say on the tin and absolutely nothing else- controls the fucking engine and plays the fucking music in fucking stereo. Modern cars, ICE and EV got it so shitty that they can entirely brick themselves just because CAN bus got shorted to 12v in the rear left light, that's moronic.
>>28774827Well, for starters, there isn't a chance of a misinterpreted input, unless you suck shit at talking, but also, you're waaay more likely to mispush a button. Tell me with a straight face you could turn on the defrost without taking your eyes off the road in this car.
>>28774942>find the a/c fan rocker switch, it's got the easy to find peak>slide down the a/c controls, find the end of their troth>press the two buttons after that with single dots>don't touch the following two buttons with three dotsyes? learn the car before driving, it's your car, it will be with you for at least half a decade
>>28774942Notice how every button has a unique shape and position? Stuff you use often like the temperature and fan controls are especially easy to identify.
>>28774730all i can think of is thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7TacvYrnjI
>>28774950>having to memorize every single position of every single button and hellen kellering the button while driving with one hand at 85mph with hundreds of other human lives around you counting on you to not be distracted vs>pushing a button that's already where your thumb is when holding the wheel and just saying whatever you want
>>28772794Chevy Bolt fits the bill. Its my current daily among vehicles and is exactly what I wanted in an EV. Just a regular car with a battery.
>>28774993Yes, I have a functioning brain and can multitask. Retard filters should be mandatory to prevent them from breeding and creating more retards. If it's hard, keep it hard. If it's deadly, keep it deadly, in fact, make it deadlier.
I agree with OP, I went down the rabbit hole when I shopped for an EV to find one that is the closest to a simple car without all of the technohomo garbage. I needed an AWD EV because I live in the mountains and we get snow, so obvious choices like the Chevy Bolt was out.Here's what I found:>Door handlesIt was surprisingly difficult to find an EV without stupid door handles that depend on software and batteries to function. This was a huge factor for me since I would have my kids in the back seat. This took all Teslas out of consideration because of lack of mechanical door handles, and most other EV (Hyundai, Mach-e, Lucid).>OTA updates, privacy issues, telematicsAll nu-cars including ICE ones have this shit. You can't buy a car without this. The solution here is to physically block it. I used a 50ohm resistor on the telematics LTE modem's antenna input to make the car think there's no signal. No more telematics or software updates.Which led me to my choice: Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo>Mechanical door handles>Physical buttons>Mechanical steering>Mechanical brakes>Porsche quality interior, exterior, and driveability>60% off thanks to depreciation>Dealerships everywhere >Not a software company building cars>Looks amazing>Has access to Teslas superchargers (if needed)We're going to look back on this era of technohomo door handles and wonder how people were dumb enough to buy cars with door handles that depend on software to operate.
>>28774942>you're waaay more likely to mispush a buttonX
>>28774350it's also named "input lag" when it's showing off the trailing edge of an action, not when it first changes
>>28774942>you're waaay more likely to mispush a buttonare you an uncoordinated child?
>>28774993>doing something is determined by my actionvs>doing something is determined by someone else's interpretation of what i wanted
>>28772794forgotten EVs from 90s and 2000s were like this. Basic car with weird engine. Compared to todays price of electricity (thanks ai and datacentres) daily usage seemed much more customer friendlyhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/6d0PPbppW4A
>>28772794They do make one. It's called the Nissan Leaf and no one buys it because basically a povertymobile to the average techbro. But go ahead tell me how loaded up with tech it is and how being able to buy a used one for less then $7k USD it to much for you, next tell me how it has to come in station wagon trim, with a manual transmission, and in the color baby shit brown.
>>28775384>It's called the Nissan Leaf and no one buys it because basically a povertymobile to the average techbro.Pretty much. Retards complain about not having a particularly specific niche car but wouldn't actually buy one if offered the choice.
>>28772902>”I hate new technology”>ok Boomer, but why?/o/ has no response to this.
>>28775398hell, it's true for anything that even tries to be a driver's car too.
>>28775384The ultimate poorfag vehicle. These things just refuse to die.
>>28772794I'm anti-retard and your thread offends me
>>28772794We can't have an ICE car that fits that criteria anymore. The best option that I could find so far if you want to have a normal new car is getting a Mazda 3, sabotaging the telematics unit and ignoring the warnings about it every time you start it up.
