Stage 1: The price wars>gasoline demand drops>refineries and gas stations lower their prices to compete against each other for the dwindling demandStage 2: The shakeout>demand and prices get too low to sustain the fixed costs of running a refinery or gas station, and so the lower profit ones shut down>this causes supply shortages and spikes in pricing>with less gas stations and refineries, any unplanned outage or shutdowns loss will create supply shocks, causing prices to fluctuate more rapidlyStage 3: The Death of the mass market>as prices of gas goes up and services become sparser, demand falls sharply, creating a self feeding death spiral>the economics of scale break down heavily and the price becomes completely uneconomical for mass consumption>gasoline becomes a niche product only the rich or hobbyists can afford to keep their old cars running>anything that relied on the economics of mass market gas usage dies off
everything about your premise is wrong, and is even disproven by the image you posted.
>>28775771It's proven by the image I posted. Gas prices are already predicted to skyrocket due to the refineries closing.
>>28775768https://www.oilsandsmagazine.com/projects/usa-refineriesbenicia output seems small.
>>28775768That's nice. Still not buying a soulless electric transport pod.
>>28776413
>>28775768>driving a business out of your state with governmental activism is the same as it closing due to lack of demandcommiebrain
>>28776707>not breathing lung cancer causing pollutants and having clean water is communismCan't tell if you're pro communism, or a retard who thinks those things are bad.
>>28776816tell that to indiathey don't even need cars to be a gross polluter
>>28776661Ah yes, switching in your mind, I presume? I don't even know why you stupid /n/iggers still try this shit on here. Oh right, because of being high on (You)s.
i live in maine, i am not buying a fucking EV with the winters we have here, AND literally zero infrastructure support for such bullshit.I would rather pay 1000 dollars in gas for a full tank in my old shitbox
>>28775768Stage 4: Since oil production still produces incredibly useful products as a result of cracking, any excess gasoline produced simply gets discarded into vast gasoline lakes as was the case two centuries ago>hippies and tree huggers find out about this and aren't pleased at all>cheap gas because it's more of a headache than it's worthfeelsgoodman
>>28775768>The three stages of the collapsing gasoline marketYou mean in California.Cali wants to ban Gas cars, so they make laws that create a hostile environment for gas makers
>>28775768>collapsing gaoline market>image is purely about California Another garbage ragebait
>>28777059>cars are /n/How about you go back to /n/, /n/ewfag>>28777135Oil cracking exists. They'll just make less gasoline.>>28777190Like what law? Besides the fact that you can't rape the air.
>>28777210>Like what law?What part of the picture you posted do you not understand?
>>28775768Lefties masturbate to this crackpot theory.
>>28775768Sorry, I think we'll still be relying on gasoline for the rest of our lifetimes.That doesn't mean I don't want to get an electric bike for commuting when I can afford one.
>>28777216If Tesla claims their stocks are so high because they make the world's best cars, would you also believe them?
>>28777224Stage 1 and 2 are already happening in places where gas consumption is dropping.
>>28777210>They'll just make less gasolineof course. but hippies and tree huggers won't have any of it. they'll demand "responsible disposal" of the gasoline that is created regardless. What a perfect time to fill up my old shitbox!
>>28777271Why would they dispose of gasoline that they can sell?
>>28777210>Like what law?There's tons of retarded laws and taxes in California.Makes it hard to do anything with gas.Cali wants no Gas cars, so they regulated gas to death.It's not a natural correction.You EV fags are just retarded..t own a Model Y.
>>28777299Can you name a single bad law?
>>28775768Imagine being so fucking stupid and ignorant you post a refinery closing in California, the state with the harshest gas taxes, as your example. Brown animals are a different species
>>28777361You can't even sell gas powered lawn equipment in California anymore. Left wing animals like you deserve to be beaten to death and have it televised.
>>28775768>gasoline demand dropslet me know when this happens
>have home solar>have EV>immune from saudi games and price fuckeryFeels good bros.
>>28777476That doesn't really do anything bad to the refineries though besides just cut demand. And that's a great law. I was wondering why it seems like it's quieter nowadays when yard work is done.
>>28777461California is ahead of the rest of the states when it comes to EV adoption, so it just shows what the future is for the rest of the USA.
>>28777506>That doesn't really do anything bad to the refineries though besides just cut demand.You are an incredibly retarded person. >Quieter yard work Kek act like you're not a third world brown animal
>>28777517California is on the brink of economic collapse and is hemorrhaging it's population. The only people adopting EVs are low IQ liberal voters that can't afford to live comfortably lel.
>>28777521>You are an incredibly retarded person. Explain how I am wrong then.
>>28777526California is currently the only state in the USA with a good economy and it's population is at its highest level ever.
>>28777527Regulation that strips demand makes you unable to compete let alone set a plan to make any sort of profit. You can't bleed blood from a turnip. Trump winning and EVs becoming an instant joke are evidence of something, you silly foreign retard.
>>28777530No, California is in a massive budget deficit because all their left wing cultist laws returned 0 money. Also for almost 10 years California has been the largest net loser in population. Maybe brown animals like you wouldn't sound so stupid if you actually got your info from other places than reddit
>>28776413I already have a license to distill 2% diluted alcohol. Car runs great after a rejet. I don't need big oil anyways
>>28777532Uh, so...? That broad of a definition would include all regulations. Like ones where the government constructs all the highways and roads, inflating gas demand.And EVs are becoming a joke? You guys say this every single year for the last decade. Trump is going to do anything, he's a pretty weak leader.
>>28777540https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/05/01/californias-population-increases-again/
>>28777549What the fuck are you even talking about? By this point it's become obvious that you're pasting some response you found somewhere without having a single clue on what it actually means? And these sourceless images are just as pathetic as well. Why do you brown animals actually believe someone will just click that random image and go "oh my goodness reality is different now!" Trump's improved the economy and if/when the tariff dividend checks go out you're going to see a major death blow to all left wing economic nonsense
>>28777553https://siepr.stanford.edu/publications/policy-brief/californias-population-drain
>>28777553>lose congressional seat>actually this means we're winning!
>>28777557>2023 vs 2025hurr adurrr
>>28777562>>28777559
>>28777554>Trump's improved the economy
>>28777554
>>28777577Yeah that's what I said, also gas is well below $3 as well
>>28777589>gas is cheap!>Stage 1: The price wars>>gasoline demand drops>>refineries and gas stations lower their prices to compete against each other for the dwindling demand
>>28777592>In California>Meanwhile Trump: "Drill baby drill">You being a retarded brown animal that looks at reddit all day are too stupid to comprehend that deregulation leads to cheaper prices on the consumer, as it's always been Dogs have a higher intelligence than your entire family kek
>>28777597>why would there be any issues with crops? Mao had all the sparrows killed!
>>28777601Once again the brown animal has to resort to saying something completely random and retarded that relates to absolutely nothing. Just shut your mouth and stop trying to talk to white people about complicated things little boy
>>28777589>muh stonksyou have more dollars than you ever have because they're worth less than they ever have been
>>28777608No, You have worthless dollars if you live paycheck to paycheck or keep it in the bank.
>>28777606It's pretty relevant. Both Mao and Trump are equally stupid, but at least Trump is incredibly weak. He says dumb shit but hardly any of his dumb statements are carried out. There is not going to be any additional drilling with how oil prices are cratering.
>>28777612>to le heckin moon>im rich
>>28777619What are you even referring to, he's already deregulated oil leading to cheaper prices which objectively helps his administration. >>28777622You're so desperate to make a point lmfao you poor brown animal
Disregard petrol embrace propane
>>28777625>What are you even referring to, he's already deregulated oil leading to cheaper prices which objectively helps his administration.That's due to cratering demand and over supply from opec. The amount of oil the usa is producing is still on the same trajectory as the biden presidency, with no change. Reminder, we're on Step 1 of the OP. And starting to get into Step 2.
>>28777644The US has increase its output by a million gallons and this is after replenishing the reserves that Biden ran dry. You truly are a retarded brown animal that gets all their info from nobodies on twitter and reddit. You are pathetic.
>>28777644>we're on Step 1 of the OP. And starting to get into Step 2.In California, you do realize the mass majority of states are the complete opposite? Dumbass
>>28777653https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/leafhandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=m
>>28777625Actually, I just realized something that makes you look retarded. Gasoline prices peak every year during the summer and crater in the winter. Do you think the winter prices are a result of the Trump admin's actions?
>>28777663Cool, thanks for showing that increase between Jan 23 and Jan 25, and it's only been growing. Seriously, why are you brown animals so fucking retarded?
>>28777671see>>28777674You keep using the word "crater" because you're really really desperate. You read something off twitter and decided to parrot it.. Because you are an unintelligent brown ANIMAL
>>28777674>he doesn't even know when the presidents were in office>he doesn't even know presidencies last 4 years
>>28777681Apparently you don't know when presidents are elected and inaugurated either. Brown animal
>h1b jeets and illegals flooding california>california is growing akhshuallylmao
>>28777684I must be getting under your skin if you have to say brown in every post to help deflect from the impending doom.
>>28777696Impending doom of what? Some retarded shit you read on twitter coming true?
>>28776816commies LOVE burning coal, the cheaper the better. t. lived through communist occupation
>>28777601>government demands something done>it kills peoplemany such cases. maybe they should drop all the pointless demands and dogma that's ruining things
>>28776816Meanwhile thousands of acers of forests are being cut down and thousands of gallons of water are being used for "data centers" but somehow we're going green! Fuckin cultist
>>28777868>meanwhile, the people who are anti EV, anti communist, and pro oil and coal are pro data centers. This somehow makes communism look bad.
>>28777245No, just the fastest.
>>28775772The image you posted doesn't mean shit. Threatening to close is just posturing to try to get Commiefornia to relent
>>28777879California is not going to rollback all the electric mandates over a few refinery closures.
>>28777870>and pro oil and coal are pro data centers. This somehow makes communism look bad.Except it's literally Democrats doing this
>>28777277ask OP, he's apparently got it all figured out
>>28777885https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/12/eliminating-state-law-obstruction-of-national-artificial-intelligence-policy/
>>28777954This is just federal legislature that preempts states from trying to do their own thing, like California and the tech industry. Meanwhile in actual reality https://bridgemi.com/michigan-environment-watch/gretchen-whitmer-urges-speed-critics-want-slowdown-on-michigan-data-center/
>>28777958>United States leadership in Artificial Intelligence (AI) will promote United States national and economic security and dominance across many domains. Pursuant to Executive Order 14179 of January 23, 2025 (Removing Barriers to American Leadership in Artificial Intelligence), I revoked my predecessor’s attempt to paralyze this industry and directed my Administration to remove barriers to United States AI leadership.First paragraph. They're announcing the previous admin (democrat) tried to hamper AI, and now the new admin (republican) will push hard on AI.
>>28777962How does this at all nullify the objective fact that Democrats are fast tracking data centers in their states?
>>28778002Meanwhile, in reality.
>>28778022>cherry picked news headlines somehow nullify the objective fact that Democrats are fast tracking data centers in their states Governor Moore is a Democrat you fucking idiot and your 2nd article is even more ironic considering Whitmer (another Democrat) is pushing the assertion that data centers WONT raise energy costs despite using the equivalent of 1 million average homes
>>28778022>>28778084Furthermore, Democrats are the ones regulating things that raise the costs of the middle and lower classes in the name of "green energy," so they would be the ones being hypocrites. Stupid.
>>28777549>Stagnant outside of China Yeah that bodes well for the future. Race to the bottom to appeal to the lowest profit margin market you can imagine is the future of transportation.
>>28777245their stocks are so high because (in no particular order)-the model y was best selling car in the world 2 years in a row(and its still the #1 electric, despite months long production shutdowns for retooling and a giant anti-elon/anti-tesla propaganda campaing. and literal showroom firebombings). and the model 3 ain't that far behind neither-they have exceptional self-driving tech, which irl is basically 99% done, and it alone is a reason to buy a tesla over anything else (ok, ok, except if you have serious reasons to avoid EV altogether, those do exist)-as a consequence of the above, they're assumed to also be closer than anyone else to proper robotaxis. not the gay, geofenced, expensive sensor laden bullshit that waymo is doing, but the real deal flooding the market and mogging everyone else sort-they are actually profitable. very profitable. overall profitability top tier for the auto industry, and that's EV only. the only other mfg that is making a profit on EVs is byd, or at least they claim to. trad mfgs and other ev startups are straight up losing money on their EV operations
>>28775768>>gasoline demand dropsI paid $2.59/gal today after paying $2.79/gal a little over two weeks ago
>>28778536So exactly what's predicted is coming to pass?
>>28776661>The general population is switching to EVsWrong. Ford is literally scaling back their EV production. Chinese EVs are doing well in some markets, but that's mostly just due to them being insanely cheap.https://www.forbes.com/sites/kirkogunrinde/2025/12/15/ford-to-take-195-billion-profit-hit-as-it-scales-back-electric-vehicle-plans/
>>28778764See >>28777549
>>28777530>good economyHollywood box office receipts and silicon Valley are making trillions while 75% of the population live paycheck to paycheck.SoCal has been reduced to a 30% White population. Homeless encampmemts on sidewalks.Human feces everywhere.People leaving their trunks open when they go shopping so thieves dont smash their windows.California is a fucking joke.>t. Born and raised in Cali.
>>28778778See>>28777554
>>28777540Every budget deficit in the several states could be instantly resolved by distributed payments from the federal level.
it doesn't really make too much sense that the particular method of propulsion used by a consumer passenger car would be a political issue for the general population.it certainly makes sense for it to be a political issue at a higher level -- businesses or investments are at stake. but for the way ~75% (or maybe higher) of people in the general population use their vehicles, it doesn't seem to be a particularly relevant issue.certainly some people need to tow. some people need to travel very long distances on a regular basis, so you understand it from that angle, but i don't know if that is the majority of end use consumers who own passenger vehicles. certainly the commercial vehicle segment isn't going to be switching over wholesale any time soon.but it all feels very inorganic to be heavily invested emotionally and rhetorically in oil or internal combustion if you are an end use consumer.
>>28778810You are a retarded person and likely under the age of 18
>>28778822>but it all feels very inorganic to be heavily invested emotionally and rhetorically in oil or internal combustion if you are an end use consumer.You are also a retarded person, and also likely under the age of 18. If you cannot figure out how gas is vastly superior to electric ANYTHING, whether it be vehicles or appliances, then you are either certified low IQ stupid or just an ignorant little kid
>>28778799Yes, we all know that post that claims the economy is doing under Trump is completely retarded.
>>28778822>but it all feels very inorganic to be heavily invested emotionally and rhetorically in oil or internal combustion if you are an end use consumer.There would be no way major oil companies and Russia would be paying people to post all over the internet pretending to be regular people who just love oil and coal. Trillions of dollars are at stake, but they would never stoop that low.
>>28778871Imagine being such a pathetic cultist retard you believe in Bloomberg twitter posts instead of objective reality. The economy is fantastic right now and no amount of seething on reddit is going to change that
>>28778874Where do you cultists get this shit? As if there hasn't been blatant green energy propaganda all over the place for the past decade? You people need to be put down like animals.
>>28778877>decades of fossil fuel propaganda has warped his mind to seeing it as background noise, that anyone who says having clean air and not being dependent on foreigners must be a shill
>>28778889>If you don't have an EV then the air gets naughty Yeah I'm not a child or a redditor cultist, so I can comprehend how this is extremely retarded
>>28778889EVs and the tech industry 1000% rely on globalization you absolute fucking IDIOT
>>28778891Go ahead and leave your car running an unventilated garage, then. I'm sure all the "ICEVs pollute the air" is just propaganda.>>28778895I have used 0 gallons of oil since getting an EV years ago.
>>28778900>The gas you exhale is going to kill us all! Along with the heckin cars that have had 40 years of efficiency laws and the cow farts too!!Put a gun in your mouth and kill yourself, that'll help the environment too
>>28778900>0 gallons of oilForeign brown animal
>>28778487Self-driving will never work without a major fundamental overhaul of the entire transportation network, most notably to remove all human-driven cars from the road so that the entire network of vehicles can accurately predict what all the other vehicles are going to do in advance, and thus correctly drive the vehicle you're in without banging into Paco and his half-dead Geo Metro. Since neither government nor private sector is likely to front the enormous up-front cost of giving every American an EV at a loss to make this happen, it is and always will be an expensive boondoggle with no practical use.>>28778764Also this. We basically got the Chinese to cheat off our sheet and steal a scam technology. Europe is already walking back its EV legislation, major American auto companies have dropped their EV divisions... it was never going to happen. Just another bubble for potential investments to throw money into, that's all it ever was. Doesn't mean it couldn't have happened, it just won't, because making a cleaner and more sustainable planet is not the goal of anyone involved - not consumers, not companies, and not governments - all of these entities are self-serving and giving a shit about the planet is not self-serving. People only give a shit about the environment publically for good boy points.
>>28778901>>28778902These posts are 100% proof of shilling. They deny that carbon monoxide exists, and that if you don't use oil you must be a foreigner (despite oil being the most foreigner dependent substance).
>>28778911>because making a cleaner and more sustainable planet is not the goal of anyone involvedEVs literally ARE NOT clean energy, you people are so painfully fucking stupid you need to die because all you fucking FAGGOTS do is raise the cost of living on the middle class EVERY FUCKING TIME
>>28778914Nobody in the USA, Canada, or Europe says "I used an gallon of oil." Maybe a quarts of oil, and gallons of petrol/gasoline, but it's obvious YOU are a brown shill animal.
>>28778911>Also this. We basically got the Chinese to cheat off our sheet and steal a scam technology.The US divested from EVs because it would harm oil companies profits. China just took the torch.>Europe is already walking back its EV legislationNope, they just changed the mandate from 100% EV sales by 2035 to 90% EV sales by 2035.>Major American auto companies have dropped their EV divisionsTesla is the biggest American auto company, and the most American, and it's 100% pure EV. Ford is just redoing their F150.> ... it was never going to happen. Just another bubble for potential investments to throw money into, that's all it ever was. Doesn't mean it couldn't have happened, it just won't, because making a cleaner and more sustainable planet is not the goal of anyone involved - not consumers, not companies, and not governments - all of these entities are self-serving and giving a shit about the planet is not self-serving. People only give a shit about the environment publically for good boy points.See >>28777549
>>28778915I never said it was, simmer down faggot. I only said that people virtue signal as a means to push EVs as an alternative and that it was always performative fakery. EVs are never going to catch on until there's some self-serving reason for people to adopt them, like actually being cheaper, actually being better, or actually being longer-lived than ICE vehicles, none of which are currently true. For now, EV is just something you do if you're the type of middle class yuppie that wants to signal that you care about the planet without actually doing anything that benefits the planet.
>>28778914>This redditor cultist child is sitting here trying to deny that giving up eating meat, being forced to buy garbage appliances, and getting a piece of shit EV haven't coincided for atleast a decade now
>>28778917>Nobody in the USA, Canada, or Europe says "I used an gallon of oil." Maybe a quarts of oil, and gallons of petrol/gasoline, but it's obvious YOU are a brown shill animal.They're sold by the gallon in the USA. This just proves you're a foreigner because you didn't even know this.
>>28778919>this foreign animal that's skin color is the same as shit has been pointing to his bloomberg twitter post for 3 days now
>>28778924Yeah GASOLINE is sold by the gallon, not "oil" you low IQ brown animal
>>28778924>they are sold by the gallon in the USAFor fuck sake, what is? Gasoline? Lmao you dumb assholes can't even articulate the language
>>28778919To be entirely fair, oil companies' profits are currently the majority 'real' sector of the economy, with real estate ballooned up to ten times its actual value and most other programs of technological advancement incremental at best for the last 30-odd years. Stored Hydrocarbons are still the most efficient energy source we have, they're still going to be the way forward for the next century or two until we find something better (And better for the planet doesn't matter, what we care about is whether or not its better for humans, and EVs currently aren't) and so protecting America's oil industry is actually very important.Jesus fucking christ, we have a very likely/possible World War coming up sometime in the next couple of decades. This isn't the time to overturn industry leaders in favor of your communist bullshit like saving the planet. We'll make plenty of money plundering Russia and the Chinks as defeated powers over the rest of the century, we don't need to destabilize working markets in favor of board room boondoggles.
>>28778925>randomly brings up bloomberg twitterAI hallucination post.>>28778928>carbon monoxide doesn't exist>gasoline and oil aren't related at allThese are the people who say EVs are dying and won't work.
>>28778933The source of the image you keep posting comes from a bloomberg social media post you fucking idiot
>>28778933>>gasoline and oil aren't related at allDon't try and walk back on your "gallons of oil" fuck up, its obvious you're a brown foreign animal
>>28778933Downsides to ICE exist. People just don't fucking care. The human race ran out of good will 50 years ago when it became clear that perpetual peace and world trade were just making things better for browns and asians and fucking over all the actual people. The human race is going to go down whatever path is best for us, nobody gives a shit about the planet, the future generations, the air we breathe, the water we drink, or any other performative green bullshit, excepting insofar as it directly impacts them personally and no further than that. No exceptions.
>>28778932>Jesus fucking christ, we have a very likely/possible World War coming up sometime in the next couple of decades.yeah, this isn't happening. feel free to send your own kids, though, mordecai.
>>28778945It will happen and all of the markets have already begun turning in directions indicative of that. Nobody's kids have to go, we already amended the Selective Service Act so that you don't have to sign up for the draft and you don't have to be an American Citizen to get drafted. They're going to send the Mexicans and Chink Diaspora to fight the war and use force multipliers and self-flying aircraft to fight most of it, then just bomb all the infrastructure and let the chinks starve to death. Its not complicated, Anon.
>>28778941>he still doesn't know how oil and gas are related
>>28778965>the brown foreign animal is still pretending he isn't ESL
>>28778973To make a gallons of gassoline requires gallons of oil.
