So what do you think happened?Blinded coming out of the tunnel?Weight transfer + understeer from panic braking?Exceeding limit of grip on decreasing radius curve?Some combination of the above?Crash footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUIYLmIZVfE
He was white. It happens.
>>28776141Who?
>>28776145The guy who created COD MW, co founder of infinity ward and respawn
He clearly doesn't know the road and came out too fast into a hairpin. You can hear he wasn't even downshifting before hitting the hairpin.
>>28776141Overconfident retard and most likely turned off nannies.
>>28776152I don't know what those words mean
i just finished the cod4/mw2/3 series a week ago on emulator so i didnt have to pay for it
>>28776157video game man
Looks like a passenger the whole video. Personally I would rather die in a Porsche
>>28776141>So what do you think happened?A 4000lb modern 'sports car' failed to make a turn.Oversteer is what happens when you lack skill, understeer is when you try to make a lead brick go around a corner.
>>28776157call of duty?
>>28776141Video games rotted his brain way + Italian cars handle like shit.
>>28776152>>28776141LMAO good fucking riddance, this guy ruined call of duty for years>skill based matchmaking>no red dots on minimap>loud footsteps>no dead silence perk>horrendous safe space maps >no deaths on scoreboard>t. cod player
Who did it better. Biffle or Vince?
Sometimes I think about what could have went wrong If I decided to not let someone pass me, or decided to speed/not speed at a specific point in time. I could potentially be avoiding wrong place/wrong time situations every single day
>>28776141>rich retard thinks he's invincible and kills himself doing shit any 5 year old could tell you is a bad idea many, many such cases
>mutt mercs himselfLol. Lmao.
>>28776187Planes are cooler than cars.
>>28776203no they are not you fucking niggger.
Understeering into a concrete wall and dying sure is an anti climatic way to wrap it up. Anyway, off to play battlefield
>>28776141>driving too fast in the oh no tunnel and wrecking a ferarri becsuse you're a vidya nerd who cant driveWhat a fucking idiot, luckily no one got killed over that stupid ass shit.
>>28776207enjoy clicking on people with big orange indicators floating over their head you fucking niggercattle
>>28776207>off to play my goyslop!
>>28776199>>28776193>>28776208I think a passenger died too
>>28776141Wouldn't have happened with a corvette.
This is legitimately the future of muttmericaGetting in a car crash and a bunch of mexicans screeching like chimps in spanish as the last thing you hear before you finally pass
>>28776210>>28776212and i shant be inviting you fags
>>28776213>mutt mercs himself and the ethot he was trying to impressThat's even funnier
>>28776157I interpreted it as a bing bing wahoo title
>>28776223sounds like a man screaming in the video
>>28776141This doesn't look right, he wasn't going that fast and that corner isn't that sharp. He either didn't see it or was trying to pull over or something is my guess.
>>28776236the passenger got ejected and Vince was stuck in car and burned
I should put a roll cage in my hoon car
>>28776248A cage would kill you even harder in a crash like this.
>>28776141Looks like there's a bump right on exit.
Thank you for your service.
>>28776141skill issue
>>28776252thats a concrete barrier
he got ejected so hard it ripped the entire seat out of the car with him still buckled in
>>28776276IT WORKED! I LOVE THIS BUTTON!
>>28776276The mutt that got ejected was the passenger. The mutt that was driving was trapped in the vehicle and slowly burned alive as Mexicans hooted and hollered like apes.
>>28776141KWAB
>>28776251Harder killed is worst.
>>28776141Isn't this the same tunnel/turn where that Subaru drove off the cliff?
>>28776186He left in 2010, his last game was mw2
>>28776300Yeah the infamous "oh no" tunnel
>>28776199>>28776223>dirty brown esl hands can't even spell murk correctlyMerc is short for Mercury, Mercedes or mercenary. Retard.
>>28776206>t. poorkek, you wouldn't understand
>Track day! Time to try and get gooderi don't think he got gooder bros....
>>28776141Looks AI as
>>28776180Modern warfare
>>28776141>what happened?!
>>28776312Their instructors really need to start telling them they need to start with a Miata or something to learn true limit testing before skipping straight to 600 wheel+ cars.
>>28776312>that demonic understeer in the crash clipThey didn't teach him enough
>>28776327Most people really should start off with cars that have skinny tires so that it loses traction at low speeds and people git fuckin good, cause even with regular cars having 235mm tires or bigger, by the time you're understeering, it's at such a high speed and they can't even deal.
>>28776327whats the point of being rich if you cant show off in a ferrari?
>>28776338It's goofy as fuck because the presence of a Ferarri is enough, you do not need to drive beyond the limits of grip on ACH and die like you're a kid in a Honda Civic.
Just released, he was on his phone watching YouTube shorts.
>>28776338If I had fuck you money I'd be building insanely cool track cars instead, any rich nigger can buy a Ferrari.
>>28776306Murk is a bastardization that comes from merc, which came from mercenary. You'd know this if you came from an English speaking country.
Porsche GT3 RS wins again
>>28776217Yes.
>>28776141But gasoline cars never go up in flames! Was I lied to?
>>28776302so he was responsible for burger town
>>28776141Someone better tell Mr. Bridger
>>28776141>So what do you think happened?He didn't drive so good.
>>28776354who said they don't? when they do you can just put em out with proper use of an office fire extinguisher
>>28776217>futureThis is the present anon. Enjoy your shithole.
>>28776375was getting airborne part of his plan?
Should have had traction control off and initiated a lift off oversteer slide, smhtbqhwyf
>>28776141Nigga should've stuck to making games lmao
>>28776252Tire screeching and the angle the car came out of the tunnel says he was in trouble way before exiting.
>>28776141>vertical videoWhy do smooth brains do this? We don't need all that vertical view for the subject.
>>28776376you die nearly immediately when you inhale fire, and that's ignoring any external burning. but hey, give me 20 seconds to run and get my fire extinguisher.
>>28776399in any case, the point i am making is that for the driver/passenger, it doesn't matter if the car goes up in flames from lithium or from gasoline, you die either way. it's only a problem for the firemen later when they try to put it out.
>>28776252Yep. I found a video of someone else going off at the same spot. You can see the bump coming up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5NWcdq4Wf4
>>28776252>>28776418And this ladies and gentlemen, is why you do your track studies first and foremost.
>>28776252Still a crazy amount of speed, bump or not. Surprised almost no speed seems to be trimmed off after the tunnel, don't these have huge brakes?
Is it just me or does it look like he turned INTO the wall at the end?He came out of the tunnel slightly Left, veering away from the wall but understeer-sliding into it. If he maintained that angle of approach, he would have done a side-wallride like that one NASCUNT driver or whatever. I think he later fishtailed and overcorrected INTO the wall, leading to a more frontal impact
why were there a bunch of spics sitting near the tunnel portal? does sitting near a tunnel portal watching fast cars zoom by with your pals sound like a good way to spend the weekend?
>>28776418Imagine getting in an accident over barely a bump like that, people need to stop slamming the shit out of their brakes when they are in an understeer condition, all it's gonna do it weight shift and send your ass where the wheels are turned.
>mid engine layout found the culprit
>>28776427You haven't lived until you've watched Hondas and various shitboxes speed past at night in the Little Tujunga turnouts.
>>28776427YES <chadface.DLL>
>>28776404if it's in a bad enough spot it can quickly become a bigger problem that would otherwise be halted by bystandershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-P7DyBLzKA
>>28776428but you do want to shift weight a bit so the front tires get more grip, no?
>>28776435If you're gonna weight shift it, make sure the wheels aren't pointing off the edge of the cliff, people think brake slamming means you're in control as they're cranking a steering wheel that isn't even doing anything and then looking like a retard when it does grip
>>28776425In this freeze frame moment, instincts should tell you that it's over and futile to fight the inertial mass; you're well above the available grip budget. He should have (as well I) put his bets on riding just outside the wall and hope there's enough moments on the rocky terrain that can stifle the car's momentum to a lesser violent state rather than shitting your life all at once at the edge of a concrete wall.
>>28776440I think he saw the cliff and was trying to avoid what Subarufag did, and corrected into the wall, BOOM
>>28776186That's not him, he hasn't worked on a COD game since 2010. He was against what COD turned into today.
>>28776443>reviewed the road againNvm, there was never a passage for that to happen. What happened under the bridge before the exit anyways?
Lol, the straight before literally baits retards into the same death-marking scenario.
>>28776367holy kek
>>28776451Downhill chads win again. Eat it hill climbers
>>28776451I've been there and it's not even unsafe, it's just that people get really excited and do stupid shit like go flying out of a tunnel fast as possible because the exhaust sounds sweet and get in an accident.
>>28776462I would do the same desu, just not with passengers. I'd hope no one was stalled in front of me though or on the edge. Reminds me of my kids cat that meows in empty rooms to hear his echo. Same energy.
If you want to do it wouldn't you just do it the opposite way that ends in a straight though?
>>28776440he was dead as soon as he exited that tunnel. He could have gone your route, but he was going way faster than the Subaru. Likely would have been more terrifying falling of the mountain desu.
funny how cars have faggy fucking screens with satnav but it's never set to be satnav by default so you don't see a bigass suprise turn at the end of the tunnel.
Gonna download the LA canyons Assetto Corsa map, the Ferrari model, and go through scenarios of how he could have saved it. Easiest 1m views I'll ever get
>>28776477based, go for it senpai
>>28776477Kek imagine dying in a fiery crash then getting dunked on in Asseto Corsa.
>>28776477I don't think that specific part is on there.
>>28776502Yeah I don't remember it being there
It looks like the left side lifts off when he really starts losing grip. The biggest thing is just that he's not familiar with that corner so he's going way too fast into it, but it looks like he jerked the wheel to left too much causing liftoff. Who knows, maybe a little bad luck such as a really unfortunate gust of wind contributed as well?
>>28776506He just sent it a little too hard is all, most people run up ACH from the Flintridge area, which means he likely came up there through that damn tunnel, hung out at Islip saddle, and then started sending it back down, ACH downhill is an amazing run but you need to be careful, not pushing the front end out in corners and crashing, not being in too high a gear and burning up the brakes and crashing, shit like that.
>>28776451Yeah I've also been on that Seattle exit. It's not that bad if you're not a retard.
>>28776207boomers do it best though
>>28776535The bracing always kills me
>>28776537I like how the car's got a padded roll cage so you don't hurt yourself in an accident, but the dashboard is literally a metal cornered panel to destroy your face to shit when you fucking hit it.
>>28776540Only having lap belts too so you're 100% going into whatever's in front of you
>>28776477wonder if beamng has this model car and similar map lol
>>28776300yes, the bright light washes out the exit view of the tunnel and when you exit and eyes adjust, its a left turn and if you are going fast, by the time your eyes adjust, you are in the turn already. as you can see, they were going fast and its too late to brake and turn if you are going fast.
>>28776548https://www.modland.net/beamng.drive-mods/maps/california-canyons-a-long-road.html
>>28776332no, that tunnel is in the Los Angeles area, its known for that tunnel exit, if its bright out, you cant see shit until your eyes adjust to the brightness, if you are going fast, you regain your vision right as the turn starts.
>>28776558Kek imagine speeding towards a bright light and you can't even fucking seeThat motherfucker Vince literally drove towards the light lmao
>>28776418>>28776428its not the bump, its your eyes adjusting to the brightness that gets you. you need to drive that tunnel to know. you are blinded by the brightness and then as you regain your sight, the road turns and people panic cause the road turns right as your eyes adjust.
>>28776564Yeah he needs to slow his ass down if he can't see
>>28776141Rumor is that Vince Zampella was dating Emelia Hartford and Emelia Hartford was the female passenger whose seat, along with her, got ejected from the Ferrari crash>Emelia Hartford is an actress, television host, race car driver and custom car builder. She is known for her role in Gran Turismo and building one of the world's fastest custom Corvette C8s as well as her performance car customization YouTube channel, which launched in 2017. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emelia_Hartford
>>28776399Ive seen plenty of race cars engulfed in flames where it takes crews 20-30 seconds (thats a LONG fucking time when youre on fire) to get the driver out and he just skips away from the wreck.Driver could have survived if those spics werent fucking pussies and actually tried to get him out. There was zero sense of purpose in their movement. They just meandered over to the car like they were picking flowers.
>>28776587Drivers are covered in nomex and have more safety gear than some rich idiot treequinoxing into a concrete wall
>>28776589Youre still sucking in the same air.Nomex doesnt magically cool it.Thats my point.
>>28776592Not being on fire with your whole skeleton smashed and a basilar skull fracture helps keep the presence of mind to not inhale scalding air you smoothbrained retard
>>28776595This, my widdle lungs are the last of my concern if the fucking car and body are imploding and everything is deccelerating
>please log in blablabla
>>28776606How come it didn't turn?
>>28776606Imagine changing how people play video games and dying in this stupid ass way>>28776611The touge has gravel on the sides and you pretty much become a passenger when you hit it.
>>28776612>The touge has gravel on the sides and you pretty much become a passenger when you hit it.fug. I don't like that.
Sorry if this is dumb question, but why wasn't he going the speed limit or was there somehow no speed limit in place?
A tech industry normie got in a 1000hp car it's not a fucking mystery what the outcome will be
>https://exclusivecarregistry.com/collection/zampella-collection>have solid eight figures worth of it super cars parked in your garage>not have enough sense to drive them safely Some things money can't buy I guess
>>28776639I think his Ferarri GTB was like 654HP but it's still a dumb amount of horsepower for a retard, you can kill yourself in a Toyota Camry on ACH if you're a can't drive.
>>28776606>dragging the driver by the armsholy monkeys
>>28776637i cosidered it and a Ford Fiesta wouldn't have burst into flames in that crash
Tunnels often have different concrete/tarmac or even joinery or what seems to be in this case a slight bump. so going in and out of the ends is smart to do slowly because water or oils also seem to pool there. I've had a few times going in on a motorcycle that felt slippery.Plus there can be shadows and poor visibility but it seems like he should have known the road. Just coming in too hot cars suspension seemed totally unloaded after an initial hard brake you can hear the squealing and he lost all brakes and steering. Was that the flat end of a concrete barrier he smacked into? Seems poorly placed if so.
>>28776654It's not poorly placed, you're just not supposed to go that fucking fast through there, it's like guys get on the touge and all common sense of how fast you can safely drive something goes out the window.
>>28776141>last thing you hear is muttoids yelling as they crowd around lol
>>28776606Honestly stand up lads. They did what they could do.
>>28776647Welcome to LA
>>28776606>instantly starts to burnICE bros....this doesn't look good
>>28776668They also fucked off before EMTs even arrivedhttps://www.instagram.com/reels/DSixZmVEkc1/
>>28776689>witnesses a massive accident>moves your head and body for maximum injury>leavesBased beaners
>>28776693Moving a body away from burning death machine is the right thing to do. >>28776689Probably afraid of ICE or some shit
>>28776580Quit bullshittin' the passenger was a guy named Zachary/ZackaryBut yes he was prly fucking E. Hartford. She shows up twice on his IG... more than his kids. Shady. But of course, some social climber girl is dating a much older richer manFUCK THIS PLANETMAY ALL HUMANS DIE LIKE VINCE
>>28776611shitty ayetalyan """engineering"""
>>28776141>look at me i am fast racing driver man because i bought a ferrari and did a couple of track days watch this!>die
>>28776718Kek I don't even know why rich guys do this, they get into cars, and instead of starting small like an MX-5 or a BRZ so they don't kill themselves, they immediately buy an 800HP car because they're in a hurry to die.
>>28776152>led a team of 22 developers who've created Medal of Honor: Allied Assaultoh damnF
>>28776721I think it's no interest in actually driving, just an interest shiny expensive cars.You see it all the fucking time. "Some rich guy you've never heard of buys Mclaren, crashes it 6 hours later" types of news headlines.
>>28776564It's the bump. Trust me. I should *not* be alive given how I drive, and there are so many times I've been flying down a back road and hit a hump and suddenly the car is a couple inches in the air drifting to one edge of the lane while rotating a couple of degrees and it does NOT come down in a smooth and planted manner.You have NO control when you're in the air (the car's going in the direction you launched it regardless of where the road is going), you are not guaranteed to come down straight in relation to the road, and your traction is all wonky for a good two seconds after contact as the car rebounds after the landing. I have learned to "always have the car pointed towards a landing spot" when going down an unfamiliar not-so-completely-straight straight in case there's a bump. When the road does a little jog to the side you can't assume that your tires are going to be solidly on the ground with the lateral traction to make the turn to follow it.Where I live, anything much over double the limit will put you in a different realm of handling behavior. 60 in a 25 on a fun back road and the car is going to bounce through noticeably light and heavy swings. 70 and there's a very good chance you're going to see a bit of air. 90 is a death wish on a road you haven't familiarized yourself on.I think this is part of why it's said, "It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow [restrained]." Being able to hit 130MPH three seconds after taking a tight 25MPH limit corner at 45 doesn't do you any good when there's no fucking way to keep it on the road at 130. With a bazillion horsepower, you come out of the corner, you're on it for one second, and then you have to let off and barely touch the throttle as you coast down to your next braking zone. A worse-accelerating car, where your foot is on the floor for several seconds longer on your way up to the danger zone, just feels like you're wringing more out of the car.
>>28776675The 296GTS is a hybrid
>>28776736meanwhile john carmack decided to twin turbo his F50 lel
>>28776152>glorify military killing and death>run adverts for Zogbots>churn out the same shit for 20+ yearsDeserved desu
>>28776749>killing is... LE BAD!!! jewish faggot
>>28776440He realized crashing into the wall to reduce his speed was the best option
>>28776752He was going so goddamn fast you can't even decision make
>>28776750>Hey kid, wanna die for ISRAEL?
>>28776637>was there somehow no speed limit in place?There is always a speed limit even if one is not posted, drive slow enough to not crash and die. Retards do not understand the difference between driving on the street vs. a track. On the track you get to take sighting and warm up laps to learn the course and conditions and slowly increase your speed based on ability, conditions, and car set up. Retards just gun it on the street and are surprised by normal conditions because they did not pre drive the road. This kind of stuff happens all the time. Look at the famous actor (famous for his driving movies) takes his speedy car and wipes out and dies on a normal commuter road.
>>28776693>leavessmartest thing to do. Family lawyer will claim the accident was their fault for standing there.
>>28776647as a paramedic there's literally nothing wrong with this if you're trying to get the victim away from imminent danger by whatever means necessary, I prob would've tried to drag the seat if possible but you do what you gotta do
>>28776763And also retards think they are suddenly a veteran racing driver after they've had a few track days.
>>28776157fucking boomer doesnt know a thing, i would understand not getting what they mean but search it up faggot?
>porsche driver does flying >lives >mercedes driver goes head on into the wall after a straight >lives>ferrari boomer hits a rock wall >double kill Germans won
>>28776141there is nothing to discuss. a rich person with ego of a 20 year old. fucking idiot had all the money in the world to track his rari daily for a year straight.
>>28776141Skill issue. Just because you have half a mill to burn on a supercar doesn't mean you have the skills to handle it. I'm just happy this rich fuck didn't hit any unsuspecting innocents on his way to meet St. Peter.That and the road wasn't fucking engineered for you be blasting around at 100mphs, it's not you're personal race track, if you're gonna speed like that I'm not gonna sympathize.
>>28776153>>28776175What turn are you doofs referring to, because all I see is a curve that could be taken flat out. Not by him of course, but easily negotiable. Not easy to get weight on the fronts and get the nose pointed somewhere else without losing the back when every fiber of your being is telling you to maximum SCREEEEEEE and jerk the wheel.
speaking of hybrids>drive hybrid in the snow >engine breaks after just 5 minutes of driving
>>28776819>flat outDrive whatever it is you own through there with the throttle pinned and see what happens when you hit the bend you dumb wagie
>>28776819you can hear he had already started braking heavily then the car unloads completely from hitting a bump. At that point you're a passenger. The problem is most of these sports cars are too track focused so even a small bump really can put you out. Don't out drive your suspension. That's why tight technical mountain passes are better. No need for big stomps on the brake. You can still attack a corner but the corners speed is at 40kph not 160. No speeds over 140 on the road even on straights you gotta limit yourself.
real shit, if he had Xdrive instead of a RWD ferrarri would he have survived this?
>>28776823Hybrids are a huge scam that Goyota has spent billions of dollars tricking the world into accepting.
>>28776721I'm reminded of something Jeremy Clarkson said about stuff like the BRZ/GT86. Something like it's more fun pushing that stuff to the limit because you can do it at non-instantly lethal speeds.
>he would have most likely survived without the concrete barriers those were installed recently too, there is a lawsuit coming for whoever put those 3 concrete barriers there, that shit was waiting to happen
>>28776833mild hybrid, introduced in the active hybrid bmw series N engine and then the B58 and S58 are awesome
>>28776834You know there exists a place in between a piece of shit Miata / BRZ and a 800 horsepower RWD supercar right? AWD or RWD 300-400 horsepower German cars are the best
>>28776207he worked on that too, was one of the bigheads on 6
>>28776213They did, but in a hospital. Driver burned alive in the car if the impact didn’t kill him.
>>28776838Depends where you live I suppose. Even beat to shit 20 year old German cars are far too expensive to thrash about with here.
>>28776312So he was racing on the track but still had to go do it on public roads too?
>>28776845>track days give them false sense of skill due to how controlled everything is at a race track>bin it and die on public roads
>>28776611rear engine vehicles under steer under heavy braking
>>28776844well luckily they are the best for daily driving and commuting too, no need to trash them into concrete walls
>>28776637>was there somehow no speed limit in placeWhat the fuck do you think this is, the fucking Kalifornien Bundesautobahn?
>>28776637>speed limitIt's not like that is enforced via police snipers. It's just another case of>see speed limit>ignore it because DUDE WATCH THIS>crash and die
>>28776849no, they oversteer which is why the car hit the wall sideways and the occupants diedthey understeer under power which is how the accident started, driver gunned it in the tunnel and then had to turn, but the car wasn't having it and starts to shove, but the retard is still trying to power through it, which sends the car off the road and toward the wall. he brakes at the last second which sends the car sideways almost immediately before impact. all he needed to do was lift a little bit but not all the way and turn in to the apex, it would have made it.
>>28776637Fucking NPCs can't even fathom not doing exactly what a rosdsign says.
>>28776741i live in los angeles and know where this is, its not a bump, its literally your eyes adjusting to the brightness and then seeing the road turn and you panic. if he was not speeding, his eyes would have adjusted and he would have time to correct. at the speeds he was going, by the time his eyes adjusted and his brain saw what was what, it was over.
>>28776741The saying just omits the fact that it's more fun to drive a slow than a fast car if you consider acceptable risk levels. Of course you insecure bitches now will whine and pretend that you drive on the limit with no regard to you life because you are brave like that - no you're not lmao
>>28776858that would explain the no brake lights
>>28776323
>>28776835he would have most likely survived if he stuck to the speed limit you retard
Probably optioned carbon brakes like a LARPing chump who doesn't realize they never hit operating temps on the road.
>>28776470>Likely would have been more terrifying falling of the mountain desu.It would also be significantly funnier
>apex legends>giga understeers and shits it
>meant to be a rich state>can't do basic steel crash barriers like my shithole state in australia can>doubly so in a known crash spotWhat is going on in California?
>>28776722>FNo, fuck off. Sure he made MoHAA but he also made all the cancerous CoD shit that completely obliterated the FPS genre hard enough it will never recover. Fuck him and everything he stood for.
>>28776837they are not.
>>28776159At that point you should of just pirated the pc versions
>>28776898call of doot doot is literally just a quake 3 mod you illiterate fucking toddlerit didn't do shitwhat killed FPS games was fucktarded executives chasing trends and making the idiotic outsider assumption that video gamers will just "buy anything".what really happened is cod was a god tier fps game series that got plagiarized by half the industry after it became popular for contemporary social reasons, but after the boys came home and we realized we, as a country, were had, the rootin tootin shootin muslim insurgents games became extra cringe.I would give myself an at home lobotomy if it brought unreal tournament and quake back but cod on its own didn't ruin shit quite frankly. people who don't know how to run a game studio, who don't play games, who don't care about the product they are making or the people who will play it ruined fps games
>>28776871>hurr durr durr respect the speed limit there isn't a person on this board who doesn't break speed limits on a daily basis
Those Shitallian supercars are being made by frauds for frauds. Just like their bikes. No one ever died in a Nissan GT-R because it will rather throw a few cars out of its way than catch a fire after hitting a bush
>>28776911>making the idiotic outsider assumption that video gamers will just "buy anything".But that is true though?
>>28776916>t. Lead Executive on Concord
>>28776928No. Look at DLC, skins, lootboxes, battlepasses, ect over the last 20 years.
>>28776911>tries to flex "muh quake 3 mod" knowledge>proceed to spout bullshit about cod being "god tier fps"You mongoloid you're clearly too retarded to understand it. The ONLY good CoD games were 1 and UO, even fucking CoD2 was already showing signs of the dogshit to come. The original games running on a Quake engine has fuck all to do with the absolute cesspool FPS have become thanks to CoD catering to more and more retarded "people" each year. They could have chosen not to but it was profitable and it's entirely CoD's fault for shooters being the abysmal dogshit they are in current year. PabloHernandez2005 and his ilk can't police themselves into not playing trash with increasingly hand held and spastic gameplay and spending retarded amounts of money on stupid customizations. You have to not give them the choice in the first place.>>28776931Horse armor DLC was unironically the thing that opened the flood gates.
>>28776932people like you killed FPS games I hope you know nobody wants to play with some seething polbrained manlet who doesn't know shit about fuck and opens his dumb mouth anyway.you can't even describe what it is that you are claiming cod did badly. they are objectively good games that quickly lost relevance as the social conditions and events that made them popular ceased to exist. what times fps games was idiotic executives from car companies and cable tv assuming that video games are sold like milk and not, in fact, like ice cream.
>>28776941>people like you killed FPS games>polbrainedWhen in doubt open with an immensely retarded statement followed by some schizo babble about /pol/ and also>they are objectively good gamesdrop this absolute bombshell of a retarded take.
>>28776932addon packs that you had to buy in a store had been a thing since doom came out, horse armor wasn't even a new concept. you children don't know fucking anything about vidya, just keep your pie holes shut
>>28776942you know "nigger fatigue?"I have "seething pasty white male who never goes outside but complains loudly about minorities even when it isn't remotely relevant fatigue"have sex, touch grass, and get good lmaomad because bad
>>28776943>expansion packs with meaningful content are the same as a fucking cosmetic for a horseIt's like I'm on /v/.>>28776945Oh, you're brown. Carry on then, nobody cares about your opinion.
>>28776946no I'm white as a sheet and I'm sick of being lumped in with chinless genetic abberations like yourself. you don't deserve to call yourself white, as you are a powerless slave in spirit, a slave to blind and misguided hatred. even now you drink your own poison and expect me to die.
This is why I only ever do "100% death" speed on straight roads that I know well and only when it's dry.You don't need to be going fast enough in corners to guarantee your own death in order to have a good time.
>>28776952it's sadly a busriders mentality that grip is infinitethe real crime here is while that idiot was sliding into the wall he was probably blaming the car
>blind and misguided hatredRight... Either the most atypical geriatric boomer or the latter in picrel
>>28776946>expansion packs with meaningful contentzoomzoom doesn't remember the gajillion complications of doom mods that were sold at compusa and babbages that were literally just random shit pulled off Usenet and slapped onto a floppy or cd then sold for $40-60horse armor wasn't shitThe doom community invented paid dlc so people without internet access could enjoy mods.
>>28776959keep throwing shit at the wall anon, eventually you will find a slur in that bag of tricks that will make me spontaneously combust but until then, you are a just a bleached nigger.
>>28776961>still hung up on repacked doom mods onlyCool, go be a retard somewhere else.
>the larping mutt ESLs in rage
>>28776965>whataboutismamazing how these incredibly racist and hateful "white people" immediately start acting like nervous jews when pressed. cut off the rest of your skin, traitor.
>>28776966>Half-abbo Australian yob calling someone else a muttoh my days
>>28776970>reply about its retarded doom mods take>whataboutismI can't with these morons
>>28776972ok name another game that had paid mods before 1993OH actually I can think of one: MS Flight Simulator. That shit had paid mods in the fucking 80s and still does to this day. Horse armor didn't do fucking shit.
>>28776152Remember ww2 cod games?Yeah, me neither, it's been too long.Now it's just "Aieeeeeh! Black Ops 14. Must buy!" Consooomer retards.
Not mocking his death nor ignoring his highly reckless driving but this is why track focused cars are better than supercars. Modern supercars are just absurdly powerful no matter how good of a driver you are. Gt3 rs comes to mind. Also turning off traction control to show how skilled you are is hubris. RIP
>>28776741youre a copy pasting AI faggot and you need to stop shitting up this thread with bullshitt. someone who was here when the /o/ tard drove off that cliff
>>28776982oh come on, you dont know shit about driving>what is brake induced understeerthis car had more than enough grip for that corner before the driver paniced
>>28776750Enjoy dying for Israel goy.
>>28776988I know about driving but im not an expert. Either way thats a rather well known dangerous corner he crashed at
>>28776976except blops7 is the worst selling cod game since infinite warfare, it's bombed hard specifically because they are trying to shake things up and do fun and silly stuff like celebrity guest characters and zombies instead of being a serious military shooter and people aren't buying it. execs don't understand that the primary driver of game purchases is the handful of hardcore nerds who can make friends. Then their friends buy it, and their friends buy it, all because those people wanna play a game together. People don't buy games the same way they buy other products. I don't buy the same brand of chips other people do just because I want to share an experience with other pringles fans, I buy pringles because I want a motherfucking pringle and not a prongle or a veggie crisp or a stack'em. The sales strategies are incompatible. The only reason it looks like bad games sell is because of momentum. A bad cod game will still sell some because it's still a cod game and even if it's treyarch you know what you are going to get. A bad original hero shooter like concord or anthem just does not sell at all because they are just derivatives of better games that already exist on top of having to start from the bottom of the hype meter. It's not true that gamers will buy anything and we are definitely seeing the consequences of that way of thinking in the market right now.
>>28776378Of course
Is this a 296 or SF90? Former is RWD latter is AWD. Of course both can understeer.
>>28776141Fawk may
>>28776982you're retarded. Vince could have crashed a mustang or a fiesta just as a easily. The power of the car is irrelevant if you drive out of a blind tunnel into a hairpin turn.
>>28777007Nah, youre wrong
>>28777015you would bin your mom's Kia in the same situation
>>28776988I thin he's facing forwards because the enannies are working overtime to stop it from spinningNot that having them off would change much, it's pretty much the meme of "you see the tree, you don't see the tree"
>>28776229>bing bing wahoo titlethat's exactly what it is.
>>28777007>hairpinHe was dead before he got to the turn.See:>>28776451That shit is straighter than my driveway.
>>28776990Post flag
>>28777024>He was dead before he got to the turn.yes that is what I am saying. It's a hair pin turn at the end of blind tunnel. You could get any shitbox up to deadly speeds with a straight that long
>>28776141Probably hit that pothole at the end of the tunnel which lifted the front end combined with too much speed and understeer causing him to plow into the wall. This is why professionals will go over routes several times before full sending it.
>>28777027My point is that the turn had nothing to do with the crash. The turn isnt even worth mentioning.He didnt lose control "going into" the turn and slam the cliff face head on due to understeer.He failed to make a 5° course adjustment and hit the retaining wall broad side. That gentle sweep would be considered "straight" if you were planning a sub division.
>>28777027It's not a hairpin, it's a left 2 maybe, it's the bump before that where the driver should have already braked enough.
>>28777035no what killed him was the concrete barrier they installed IN FRONT of the existing wall >>28776835without those he would have just sided along the wall, fucked the car yes but not death
>>28777037Bro that's a 90 degree turn lmao
>>28776418how much childlike faith can you have in the kindness of this world if you don't slow down when you can't see the road ahead of you
>>28777037>My point is that the turn had nothing to do with the crash.nigger what. that is the entire cause. If there were no turn there would be no crash. It's not like this is some new thing just discovered people have been eating shit at that exact spot for literally decades. >>28777038OK I misspoke, not a hairpin just a simple 90 degree turn. I doubt the bump did much compared to not being able to see anything as you come out of the tunnel
>>28777018>that broken road right before the exitWe now know where the two tire squeals came from.He was trying to brake down for the corner, those made the car bounce up a bit losing him the majority of his braking traction, then he hit the pavement transition which bounced him enough to lose all his lateral traction.
>>28777018nigga people take worse bumps than that at 2x higher speeds on the nurburgring
>>28777078>>28777099talking about being COMPLETELY BLINDED you retards. road surface isn't even that bumpy it didn't do shit.
>>28776537The guy leaving fucking teeth marks into the dashboard as well.
>>28776987Story?
>>28777051He never made it to the turn, dipshit.>>28777055Let me break it down for you since youre also a dumbfuck.Circle area is a gap in the mountain with the road visible below, its actually 2 tunnels he went through.Straight line is path through second tunnel.Arrow is where he impacted the barrier wall.X is where he burned to death.
>>28776834That's a good axiom for alot of things in life, but especially with cars and motorcycles
>>28777114https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5NWcdq4Wf4
>>28777027A hairpin turn is shaped like a hairpin, retard-sama.
>>28776834gr86 is a piece of shit and it's not fast or even reliable.>>28776838all german cars are fucking dogdick aside from the 928.all audis are cocksucker cars and fuck awd.
>>28777115>Let me break it down for you>Here is everything you just said yes?
>>28777125I'm not a racecar driver it's a colloquial term for a tight corner
>>28777041I mean that goes without saying but I get the feeling those concrete barriers were put there because idiots kept bashing into the wall. Begs the question just how much responsibility the government has to keep people from killing themselves in stupid ways. There's plenty of roads where if you tried driving +100 mph you would die, does that mean they should erect Nascar style barriers and fencing everywhere? Either way it doesn't look like that stone wall was meant for catching cars flying out of the tunnel but stopping small boulders rolling down the hill from rolling onto the road.>>28777018Yes, if you're flying out of there at 100MPH so don't fucking do that.
>>28777136It's a colloquial term for a ~180° corner.
>>28777102You've never driven recklessly before, have you?At the speed he was going everything except a perfectly manicured surface is bumpy.
>>28776440>He should have (as well I) put his bets on riding just outside the wallI love these posts when some moron "breaks down" what happens and offers his solution which is 10x more retardedNone of you faggots every drove a car
>>28777140>>28777125OK Mario andretti it's half a turnpin then
>>28777146what? yes roads are bumpy but that's not what caused the accident. NOT BEING ABLE TO FUCKING SEE I reckon played a big part.
>>28776141The one reason he died was driving over the speed limit.
>>28777146>>28777151Guys, it can be both.He was driving over his limit, there was poor visibility at the corner entrance from light, and the bump probably upset the balance by lifting a wheel making braking harder for the ABS system contributing to understeer. He still would've died without the bump there - that's a fuck-ton of understeer - he was coming in way too hot.
>rich faggot>can't drive>dieslmao. Wish this happened more often.
>>28776763the cia remote steered paul walkers car into a pole
midship bros….our engine layout might just be garbage
>>28777202We need steer-by-wire now. That way the computer can step in and steer correctly when the rich babby drivers can't do it right.
>>28777207won’t help with understeering, snap oversteering mid engine shitboxes
>>28776945>complaining about chuds on fucking 4chando you even know where you are?
>>28776181Italian-Muttmericans drive like shit>the last thing he saw was some Mexicans cheeringAmerica in a nutshell
>>28776418the "oh no" when he's already rolling down the hill made me kek
>>28777222Oh no!Oh noo!
>>28776418is there not a sign in the tunnel that indicates an immediate harsh left-turn?you kindof can't even see it coming because of the sun.inb4 >durr just drive the sped limitnobody does this cuck bullshit plus even 25mph roads still have curve signs posted.
>>28777259At least on Street View there isn't one as of early 2023. Although the Street View images are beyond shit.
>>28777148What do you offer?
Tires were already screeching in the tunnel
Somewhat of a driving noob here, what the correct reaction when this happens to your car? Decelerate and move steering wheel towards the right until it locks back in? Pray to god?
>>28776898no (YOU) fuck off!
>>28777276it's over
>>28777283Passenger?
>>28777276you don't really have the time to think in this situation since he was most likely blinded coming out of the tunnel the mistake was breaking hard ( probably instinct ) instead of just turning it's hard to say if the front had enough grip to make the turn under breaking but they probably did most peoples have no idea how hard they can actually turn so they just brake way too hard
>>28777276>accept fate>go full brake instead of trying to steer>hit the less deadly part of the barrier and crash with a less sudden of a stopAside from not entering the corner 20mph too fast, this is maybe the best option
>>28776611he turned off lane assist
>>28777276The correct thing would be not doing what he was doing at all. Even overlooking the speeding he was driving faster then his sight or reactions permitted. Racetrack drivers get away with it because they know when the curves are coming because they go over the course before hand. He should have driven up and down the road a few times to see how much he could give, where the bends are, and test the road conditions. Then he could set up a spectator with a phone at the end of the tunnel and blast down the tunnel at 7/10ths looking cool or whatever. Personally I find speeding down public roads distasteful, if he had Ferrari money, he had "fly to the Nürburgring, rent an M5, and take a few loops" money. But at the most fundamental level the biggest problem was he did not understand the limits of his car, he should have at least put in a few hours on a track before trying to stunt on the poors.
>>28777276>Decelerate and move steering wheel towards the right until it locks back in?Pretty much, when you start understeering because you're too fast for a corner you want the front tires to regain grip so you can steer again. You can do things like steer straight momentarily to get more braking, then steer again once you've slown down to a speed you can grip with - but there has to be room to do it. He was going so fast there was nothing he could do by the time he exits the tunnel.
>>28777276E-brake and hope for the best
if the passenger opened his door and used it as active aero he could have saved it
Halo would have saved him
>>28777200
Thanks
>>28777041Is it possible he was assassinated then?
>>28777310Opening the passenger door, the car would have yawed to to the right.
>>28776976You don't remember literally every fucking game being about WW2, you fucking faggot. It was WW2 movies, WW2 games, and WW2 TV series, with WW2 24/7 on the History Channel. I just wanted to watch Modern Marvels and How It's Made.
>>28776606Is that barrier even guarding anything. Worst angle to hit
>>28777018if he had only turned off HDR he would still be with us.
>>28776535>5-point belts>3 points usedResults = pain
>>28777343He could have 6 point harness, still dieded.
>>28776587Sorry, but I'm not getting third degree burns getting someone who likely died on impact out of a wreckage of his own making. Drive safer and wear gear next time, numbnuts.
>>28777288*braking*The breaking is what happened after he hit the barrier
>>28777345True, depending on actual deceleration. But if you're in an accident where a Hans device is potentially the difference between life and death and you're in a restomod rather than a racing tub then you're in trouble no matter what
>>28776787Nah, Porsche kills more famous people than any other kind of car, not to mention we still haven't forgotten about Porsche Girl. Her parents certainly haven't, kek.
>>28776835Safety road devices aren't designed to save you from reckless driving and complete disregard for common sense. They are for the vast majority of the public who could, in the course of reasonable driving behaviors, encounter an accident or a small lapse in judgement that might result in an accident. If you are driving 120+mph on a public road that you don't know on a car you have no familiarity of, then whatever happens to you is your fault.
>>28776946>>28776950Hey dudes, why don't you got and play NOLF? It's free, and it's a reminder that you will NEVER EVER get another iteration in this series, much less one that lives up to what it used to be.
>>28777367There is no definition of the word "safety" where placing square-ended concrete blocks in a place where someone could conceivably run into the end of one would apply.Have a look at the design of the start of most motorway or bridge barriers - pic rel has a built-in crush can
>>28777367there are rules about every types of road barriers, guardrails cannot overlap reverse to traffic because that's how they end up inside cars and inside bikersyes they were going too fast, but regardless of that, someone put what is essentially a wall at the end of the curve, whoever put these there had zero regard for any safety rulessomeone was going to die on this, it was just a matter of time
>>28777367The """safety barrier""" was placed in such a way that you would strike it face on. It's inherently irresponsible. Even striking it at 35 mph would be an extreme impact.
>>28776835>>28777041>>28777377so he was killed because of terrible "map design"? Because based on what you described, its so fucking stupid
>>28777384Yes.
>>28776141haha CODbabbies BTFO
>>28777283whyd this idiot try to take the turn at 200+kph what did he expect
>>28777384Ironic for a CODfag to die and for people to complain about map design
>>28777377Just how much do we have to bubble wrap things to protect every idiot though? Those concrete barriers weren't there for the cars, they are there for the wall which has a large fracture at the base in more recent pics. There is literally enough space to park two semis side by side otherwise. The wall is far enough away that no car should even come close to hitting it in 99% of circumstances IMO, this guy was just asking to die.
>>28777384man that fucking breaks my goddamn heart>>28777392MW1, Titanfall and often even Apex had a lot of thought put into them when you really thought about them. Theres a reason why they consistently managed to get a dedicated audience
>>28777391iirc the story was he cooked his brakes and didn't realize it
>>28777398oops meant to respond to >>28777387
>>28777395the answer is to extend the new barrier all the way to the end of the existing wall, so it doesn't turn into a wall mid turn but I guess 3, was all California could pay for, after giving billion to drug addicts and illegals
>>28777395Retard, they placed concrete barriers IN FRONT of the wall in your picture. If it was just the barrier in your pic he likely would have survived.Pic related. He struck the end of of barrier like this which near instantly stopped the car instead of sliding along or glancing off it.
>>28777384>60mph corner>enter it at 100mph>can't stay on the tarmac>slide into a cement barrier >dieLITERALLY WTFPATCH THIS NOW
>>28777395This planet is meant to be an amusement park for rich people. If they can't do whatever they want at all times without dealing with consequences, then us worker drones need to improve things
>>28777377The road has a certain speed limit and the safety is designed around that speed limit
>>28777412Dumbass, the speed limit on ACH is 55 mph. Striking the end of a jersey barrier at 50 mph, which is below the speed limit, will fuck you up big time. The barriers were negligently placed, it's not a debate.
>>28777384>so he was killed because of terrible "map design"?No. Road barrier design. Had the blocks not been there, as said above in this thread, he would have hit the wall at a shallow angle and there was a chance the car would have slid along it as the radius of the curve decreased, shedding carbon-fibre as it went and grinding to a halt. As it was he piled into the end of a concrete block and came to an immediate, high-G stop>Just how much do we have to bubble wrap things to protect every idiot though?Thinking about potential idiots is fundamental to road safety. Otherwise we need no barriers or markings. There are many ways the wall could have been protected without the hazard of the end of a block. Just off the top of my head, don't use three blocks, use 20 or 30 (or 50), so they start at the tunnel exit and make it almost impossible for someone to drive into the end of one
>>28777403The stone wall the barriers were protecting are not meant to stop speeding cars, they were meant to catch rocks falling from the cliffs behind them! In fact the reason that area has so much empty asphalt is because it is parking for a scenic overlook of the Angele National forest on the other side of the highway. As it in it is not a place where they expect cars to drive fast enough to need a guardrail. You may as well tell me you can speed though downtown NY because you can use the building as guiderails to guide you like you're playing Gran Turismo.
>>28777417>Striking the end of a jersey barrier at 50 mph, which is below the speed limit, will fuck you up big time.This, these things can kill even at much lower speeds when placed in this manner. That's not a safe way to protect things.Not saying he 100% would've lived if these weren't there, but he would've at least had a shot. These turned a bad situation into an awful one.
>>28777417There's plenty of runoff space and an ample chance to brake at 55mph. Secondly, after a careful review of the incident, it seems there's just a gap in the wall because the rest of it had collapsed. Again, this is driver error, and there's nothing wrong with using a temporary barrier, as it seems was the case here. The driver would have been home with his children and his millions if he had chosen to drive in a reasonable manner.
>>28777417>if you hit an immovable object at the speed limit you will dieidk if anyone told you, but you have to steer the car sometimes.
>>28776693This. The right thing to do when you see someone burning alive in a car is to leave them alone. Wouldn't want to hurt them.
>>28777433That's what I would doA richfag crashing his supercar is not my problem.
Clearly Angeles Crest needs to be closed until it can be made safe for every 80iq faggot who thinks he's Schumacher.
>>28777424>As it in it is not a place where they expect cars to drive fast enough to need a guardrail.Because cars never go straight on for unintended reasons?
>>28777438And look at that. If the barriers weren't there he would have grinded the wall another 10 feet, kept flying forward, hit the next section of wall, and flip off straight into a cliff. Almost like he would have died regardless if the barriers were there or not because he never should have been driving that fast!
>>28777424that very corner has seen countless crashes >>28777438yep, look good to me, they even put a cone there, this is completely safe
>>28777403Crazy how racing on the street is more dangerous than racing on a track. I never could have imagined that.
>>28777443Just adding another block at an angle would help after you see this>>28777438Anyone who couldn't anticipate this could be a problem must have difficulty dressing themselves. Also, a controversial opinion. Maybe a "sharp bend" warning sign in the tunnels before the exit?
>>28777428>b-butNo. The barrier was negligently placed, exposing the end to the direction of traffic. This is not a debate. Objective reality, kiddo.
>>28777450>this fundamental lack of understanding of physics and realityYou're a leftist aren't you?
>>28777454But you agree he would be alive but for his own negligent driving, correct?
>>28777456>direction-brained retard immediately bringing politics into an argument over barrier placementYou are the problem, anon.
>>28777454Are the gutters in a bowling alley negligently placed too? Maybe if you're really bad at bowling they are. Take your retard ass to K1 where everything is padded and you can be bad at driving all you want
>>28777445>>28777451Then stop fucking speeding down mountain roads you don't know!Honestly California should just put speed bumps, the kind that rattle your car all along the inside of that tunnel. It would be cheaper then building a system to keep idiots from killing themselves there.
>>28777450Please post your accident investigator's qualifications. Or maybe your engineering qualifications. Or even your driving licence? No? How about a high school diploma? Or even a copy of one of your 12th birthday cards?
>>28777458You say that, but don't you find it interesting that he was successfully identified as a leftist with just that mere information?
>>28777453>Just adding another blockOr he could have slowed down sooner. It's not the caltrans forklift guy's job to save every touge retard from himself
>>28777459>comparing safety in regard to life or serious injury, to bowlingStop posting.
>>28777466>successfully identified as a leftistI didn't see any evidence of that. All I see is a retard throwing out an accusation because he's tired of arguing about the minutia of road barriers. All I managed to identify was one retard calling another anon a leftist when nobody had mentioned politics.
>>28777018kino
>>28777471>uhmm source?!Lol.
>>28777457That's a strawman. I have to agree it looks like he was driving too fast, and many other people have negotiated that curve safely BUT it's incontrovertible that the barriers were placed in such a way as they were a potential hazard to any vehicle that ran into the end of one - for whatever reason (inattention, blowout, mechanical failure, distraction, hazard avoidance, etc. etc)(I love these new captchas)
>>28777468Why put them there at all? Why have any guardrails, markings or anything at all. Shit why do we even have roads nigger.
>>28777468>It's not the caltrans forklift guy's job ...No. It's the job of the highways engineer who told him how many to place and where to place them
>>28777462Yes, because if there is anything a teenager would be advocating for it's slower speeds and safer driving.
>>28777470>guy does something dumb and dies>"reeeeeeeeeeeee there needs to be more safety standards and laws"ok karen. >>28777018>if you went into a corner 40mph too quickly you would crash tooYeah. The key is to not put yourself in that situation. Are there really so few people on /o/ who have prefrontal cortexes and can't think ahead?
>>28777475You may be correct in the practical sense, but the amount of distance from the road by itself probably puts the DOT in the clear, at least legally speaking. Temporary barriers are allowed per California code, and their placement is per-defined. I assume angling a barrier would still result in an apex that could have someone run into it. I haven't done the calcs on those, but there is a guideline for California Highways on road barriers. I would hesitate to call the placement "negligent" if only because the purpose of that wall wasn't vehicle retention, but a method of keeping falling rocks from the road.
>>28777479....or a qualified opinion based on something other than the contents of his colon and trying save face in an argument on the internet that has already been lost
>>28777481>just place the barriers properly>NOOOO REEEEE YOU CAN'T DO THAT NOOOOKek. Lmao.
>>28777478>who told him how many to place and where to place themThey are being temporarily stored there, if that wasn't obvious. Probably has something to do with the big rain storm that's supposed to happen. Would you like these engineers to remove the mountan too? Maybe replace it with a big foam pit.
>>28777482>I would hesitate to call the placement "negligent" if only because the purpose of that wall wasn't vehicle retention, but a method of keeping falling rocks from the road.If the blocks are placed in such a manner that a vehicle could drive into the end of one, I would
>>28777484To be fair, you shouldn't be asking for qualifications unless you have your own. Clearly an engineer signed off on this at some point. Is there a reason for it? Maybe, but everyone ITT is unqualified.
>>28777487>just learn to drive so you don't fly off the road at 100mph>>NOOOO REEEEE YOU CAN'T DO THAT NOOOO
crazy how one piece of concrete would have saved their life
>>28777492>unless you have your ownI do>Clearly an engineer signed off on this at some point.You're making an assumption that seems far-fetched based on the pictures.
>>28777493Those aren't mutually exclusive you retard. And as pointed out previously, speeding is not the only way a car could strike the barrier.
>>28777491Not everything that could be a road hazard under extreme conditions is legally a road hazard. There has to be a balance. A slight curb becomes a lunchpad at the right speed. There is some sort of determination for what is proper placement of the barriers, but right now I'm baking some pie for my Christmas eve party, and I am not going to read California Highway code on what is and isn't a properly placed barrier. I may send an email to a colleague of mine, but he strictly works in Texas, and I don't know if he deals with this.
>>28777438based troll barrier
>>28777494A potentially good solution to the impact I agree, but I think that could have launched the car into a roll-over. I still maintain more blocks or an angled start would have been the safest
>>28777498>legally>highway codeNigger just place the barrier so the end isn't facing traffic. It's not that hard.
>>28777475Do you see how far away from the road that barrier is?There is no reasonable expectation that someone will drive that poorly.I have multiple reckless tickets, I do dumb shit with cars - but if I die to a stationary object, then that's on me plain and simple.You need to look far ahead when speeding; if you can't see what's ahead you slow down. If he knew the area already then he should've known what speeds were reasonable. That's a LOT of understeer.I live in deep forest, if I crash into a tree should I complain that the gov't should have expected me to go 3x the speed limit and removed the tree just for me?
>>28777496Okay, then please enlighten us. What is the proper way to emplace temporary barriers on a California Highway? I'm going to take you at your word that you are actually an engineer that specializes in this particular topic.
>>28777497>speeding is not the only way a car could strike the barrierAnd? Are you this guy's attorney or are you just a crybaby?
>>28777509>just place the barriers properly>NOOOO REEEEE YOU CAN'T DO THAT NOOOO
>>28777484You're the reason Americans can't have nice things. Fine, tear down the stone wall that's already there and put up jersey barriers all along the bend, in fact don't let anyone park there for the scenic overview of a national monument, just close it all off and raise the speed limit to 70mph because that what this moron would have wanted.>>28777494At the speed he was going it would have sent him careening into the cliffside
>>28777507>There is no reasonable expectation that someone will drive that poorly.except it literally happen all the time on that very corner
>>28777494>do a barrel roll and die anyway>city gets sued EVEN HARDER because now the barrier layout is deliberate instead of accidental. You can't win with these karens. Just let them die.
>>28777512>At the speed he was going it would have sent him careening into the cliffsidestill a much higher chance of survival than a dead stop splitting the car in half
>>28777510Okay, but can we answer the question? What is the proper way to place a barrier, per California code?
>>28777515city is getting sued 100% that man literally brought billion in revenues for multiple company one of which he was actively working for right now
>>28777518Literally doesn't matter. Don't place jersery barriers with the end facing traffic.
>>28777132 >If there were no turn there would be no crashThat was your fallacy.The turn had nothing to do with the crash.It was over when he left the tunnel before he approached the turn.
>>28777522The barrier is nearly twice the width of the road away from the road. What if you understeer a corner in town and hit a signpost much closer to the road?The city is winning any lawsuit 100%.
>>28777525Fun fact:CalTrans (California Transit Authority) invented the K-rail.Jersey just adopted it for permanent use instantly because theyre constantly under construction.
>>28777512>You're the reason Americans can't have nice things100% true. How far does society have to stop people like Vince from hurting and killing themselves?
>>28777525>Literally doesn't matterNo. It does matter. Depending on the answer, either someone is going to lose their license, or there may be nothing out of the ordinary.
>>28777115>He never made it to the turnWhat do you call it when a road does this? Because that's where he crashed.
>>28776703Just as Emelia Hartford announced Vince Zampella was her new business partner and they bought an abandoned compound together, he dies in a traffic accident. I now highly doubt Emelia Hartford can afford the money to remodel her abandoned compound considering its sheer size not to mention property taxes, since her business partner is now gone.>This YouTube video from Hartford is probably the last time Vince Zampella talks on videoWe Bought An Abandoned Compound! Our New Home: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl8rwfYhiO8
>>28777544Good. Fuck these woman influencers.
>>28777525You're getting too caught up in the placement of the barriers and not enough on the fact he was going too fast in the first place.
>>28777494That shit would've launched him over the stone wall into the cliffside at the speed he was going.
>>28777555Target fixation, it's something bad drivers do
>>28777508>California Highway code on what is and isn't a properly placed barrierOK. I am an engineer, but not in CA. So a quick Google>February 2023 >7.14 Warning TrafficWhen a slide, slip-out or other incident occurs which partially or wholly blocks the traveled way, appropriate signs should be placed at each sideof the location, and on the right of approaching traffic 400 to 800 feet in advance of the obstruction. That portion of the road which is obstructed shall be blocked off with barricades. At night, warning lights should be placed on both signs and barricades, and a sufficient number set out along the road to outline the obstructionI also found this in the FHA>The test with a 2000P vehicle impacting at an angle of 15 degrees on the nose of the system (Test 3-33 for 100 kph) can have the vehicle penetrate the system and proceed a considerable distance behind it. However, under the new MASH criteria, there is a specific requirement for non-gating systems that any hit on the nose or near the nose "should contain and redirect the vehicle or bring the vehicle to a controlled stop; the vehicle should not penetrate . . . ." Now these are not specifically for the type of situation in this case - one is for the protection of workers but it talks about signage, the other is to anticipate a car crossing a "gated system" but it does show the thinking, and those barriers in this case would not bring a vehicle to a "controlled stop"I'd have to do a lot more reading I don't have time now to see if there is a specific CA or NHA requirement for static road barriers, but were I called in this case I'd start by using the above two instances
>>28777512Just don't have the end of the barrier facing traffic. You're acting like this is some huge insurmountable task instead of common sense.>just close it all off and raise the speed limit to 70mphHell yeah.>>28777555They aren't mutually exclusive.
>>28777555Bro, road autist here, but there is an argument to be had. Yes, he was going too fast, and the barrier placement may not be optimal, but I don't have the expertise to know the tradeoffs, and nobody wants to tell me. I'm sending an email and see if someone can get back to me on that, but I'm almost sure this was done to standard.
>>28777259>is there not a sign in the tunnel that indicates an immediate harsh left-turn?>>28777453>Maybe a "sharp bend" warning sign in the tunnels before the exit?All you dumbass motherfuckers arguing about muh barriers when the actual solution to the problem is obvious. It's a blind corner because you can't see past the end of the tunnel. There needs to be some kind of signage telling people there's a 90 degree bend immediately after the tunnel.
>>28777561Bro, enjoy your holidays. I have already decided to not give into temptation because I will be here all night reading shit. That being said 7.14 is not about k-rail on the side. I did find this: https://dot.ca.gov/-/media/dot-media/programs/engineering/documents/memotodesigner/14-19-a11y.pdfBut I think it's probably deprecated and am going to resist the temptation to read.
Passenger Status?I keep hearing people say it's some Youtube Whore.
>>28777572Guy's name is Zachary or something and he passed away in hospital.
>>28776425Sacrifice ritual
>>28776606He would’ve survived in a Porsche
>>28777587It's actually a promotional stunt for CoD x Ferrari Racing. He's going to come back as a Zombie Team Principal for Ferrari. When asked Ferrari will say "He's better than Binotto."
>>28777460but he knew those mountains! He didnt know there was a fucking barrier there
>>28777453>wtf I did something retarded >and now am experiencing the consequences of my actions >THIS IS BULLSHIT WE NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO REGULATE MORE
>>28777473>Goes into the light>goes into the light
>>28777595>Wallrides through the corner"I meant to do that."
>>28777529what? yes it did and no it was not. if it were a straight away he would have kept going straight.
>>28777593This
>Ferrari can sell a supercar in the US that will eject you out of the car in an accident but I wasn't allowed to buy a GR Yaris due to safety regulations
>>28777593zweifellos
>>28777569>It's a blind corner because you can't see past the end of the tunnel.I'm one of the "...dumbass motherfuckers arguing about muh barriers ..." who also posted this>>28777453>Also, a controversial opinion. Maybe a "sharp bend" warning sign in the tunnels before the exit?It's not either/or...it should be both
>>28777599The person who did something retarded was the person who placed the concrete blocks, especially when not anticipating what could go wrong and considering that the reason the stone wall was damaged, requiring the blocks, might have been because a vehicle hit it
>>28777615This illustrates perfectly why proper barriers are important. Saved their lives.
>>28777631I disagree. I think the retarded person in this situation was your father, for not wrapping his shit.
>>28777632Yeah, they're crumply steel and sort of guide the car away from it, rather than a concrete block that makes the sports car go from 100 to 0 in milliseconds. They need to at least replace that entire section with a steel railguard. I would say they should go even farther, and move a bit of the hill to smooth out the road so the turn is less sharp.
>>28777570>Bro, enjoy your holidaysThank you. Enjoy yours.But I did have a quick look at the link you provided and it talks about both 10:1 tapers of the K-rail and crash cushions at the ends.Even if that wasn't current I'd think it would be devastating evidence for the plaintiff's lawyers if a case was bought against CA's highways authority
>>28777639I accept your concession
>>28777649>I accept your concessionim not even reading the replies before this but only trannies say this shit
>>28777569>All you dumbass motherfuckers arguing about muh barriers when the actual solution to the problem is obvious.I have very little confidence that having a sharp corner sign with a recommended speed would have done jack shit in this situation. But still, I think having that sign is pretty much a "the least you could do" solution with almost zero cost, and I don't understand how it hasn't been already added.
>>28777654>but only trannies say this shitdoubling down on your ad hominem doesn't make your argument less ineffective, you know
>>28777664apparently spelling out basic concepts of "cause & effect" or "personal accountability" doesn't make you less retarded so we may be at an impasse.
Something like this would be better
>>28777664im just saying you sound like those niggerfuckers who'd say sweet summer child 10 years ago.
>>28777658>still, I think having that sign is pretty much a "the least you could do" solution with almost zero costThat's mostly my point. If you notify people that there's a sharp curve coming you alleviate the problem of people bombing it through the tunnel and not being able to react because they're sun blinded. If you know there's a turn coming and you still choose to bomb through there at 100+ that's on you, and there's only so much a barrier can do to save you from yourself. Trying to accommodate every reckless and irresponsible driver is how we ended up with the modern safety pods that completely isolate you from the act of driving. I wouldn't be surprised if it was like adding pads to football where it actually increases the average speed/energy of collisions.
>>28777561>>28777570>>28777646I also found thishttps://highways.dot.gov/safety/rwd/reduce-crash-severity/frequently-asked-questions-barriers-terminals-transitions-attenuators-and#bt5Barrier Terminals and Crash Cushions Section 5 - makes interesting reading:>Sand barrel arrays are most appropriate for hazards that are located well off of the traveled way where impacts are expected to be infrequent, yet very serious when they do occur. The relatively low initial cost of these sacrificial crash cushions is a good investment to prevent serious injury when a crash does occur.So they are all thinking about potential impacts on "the nose" or ends of barriers, even when not on the carriageway. What a pity nobody did in this case
>>28777693>So they are all thinking about potential impacts on "the nose" or ends of barriers, even when not on the carriageway. What a pity nobody did in this caseThey were probably installed by an 85 IQ half drunk mexican. Not even memeing.
>>28777669>apparently spelling out basic concepts of "cause & effect" or "personal accountability"Which is precisely what you didn't do. What you did do was post three greentext lines of non sequitur in an attempt to look smart, and now you're trying to defend them. This is the real reason we are at an impasse - your inability to understand the points that others are making because you're too busy trying to look clever and proving otherwise
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>>28777693(cont)Also this>DHA Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices>2009 Edition Chapter 6F. Temporary Traffic Control Zone Devices>Section 6F.85 Temporary Traffic Barriers>Temporary traffic barriers, including their end treatments, shall be crashworthy. In order to mitigate the effect of striking the upstream end of a temporary traffic barrier, the end shall be installed in accordance with AASHTO's "Roadside Design Guide" (see Section 1A.11) by flaring until the end is outside the acceptable clear zone or by providing crashworthy end treatments.https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part6/part6f.htmNo flaring or crashworthy ends. Slam dunk.
>>28777544It depends how far along in the financial arrangement they are. Just cuz a dude died doesn't mean his finances just vanish into thin air. The Vince Zampella Estate still exists, and his investments into her and the garage still exist. The inheritor of the Estate gets to decide how to handle the situation and there may be a contract that they need to honor or buy out.
>>28777454>The barrier was negligently placedSomebody please think of the poor millionaire!
>>28777693>>28777697>>28777716Im sorry, Im pretty drunk and know pretty little about cars and roads. Could you guys please give me a straightforward explanation as to what all these articles are talking about?
>>28777276>Somewhat of a driving noob here, what the correct reaction when this happens to your car?The other answers to your question weren't very good aside from this one:>>28777303What he did was not something even a professional or skilled driver would have survived. Taking a car up to speed when you aren't 100% sure of the road conditions is basically the exact recipe for a lethal crash. Even if you DO know the road if you haven't literally driven it that day (and sometimes even within a few hours of the race) there's no way to know how your car will perform on any part of it.Even pro musicians practice, warm up, do rehearsals, etc. in order to play well. The same thing is true here... no warm-up, no practice, no rehearsal. No chance of success.
>>28777677But Vincent is the main character. He has enough money to buy a really fast car. He can't just die!Life is like a videogame where you get a bunch of chances to do QTEs before you actually die.
>>28777704I'm sorry my magnum opus dissertation of 3 green-text lines went over your head. That's my mistake for conflating your mental caliber with my own.
>>28777743he crashed into a barrier that was put up next to a wall. normally the barriers have some crap put in front of them like a water barrel setup or it will have an edge in front of the barrier to stop you from hitting it directly.he hit the middle part of the cement barrier directly because it was installed recently next to the wall which was there b4
>>28777763yeah fucking awful. So can California get sued now or something? Was that even allowed?
>>28777768>So can California get sued now or something? Was that even allowed?>>28777561>>28777693>>28777743that's what these guys were talking about. whether or not it's up to CA & NHA (national highway administration) code.
>>28777726It is definitely going to be a messy inheritance battle since Vince Zampella has 3 children with his ex-wife.
>>28777776but this IS gonna get investiagated for sure right? People arent just gonna let it be
>>28777790Only if someone actually kicks up a storm about it.
>>28777542Lol.Dude.That's where his vehicle came to a rest after the crash.He was dead at that point lmao.The crash started at the exit of the tunnel.Your racing experience is obvioualy limited to video games since you have no fucking clue whats going on itt.
>>28777790>but this IS gonna get investiagated for sure right? People arent just gonna let it beCali laws tend to be based on how rich the person in question is, so yes, it will be investigated and potentially the entire road will be re-done or some stupid cali nonsense. Anyway it was 100% his fault regardless. You couldn't pay me to drive fast on a stupid fucking cali road like that.>>28777792No he's a richfag and the sate of Caliwali DOES in fact care about richfags.
>>28777542>>28777794it's just semantics one of you is saying he crashed at the turn and the other is saying he crashed while trying to make the turn.I agree with the anon who said he 'never made it to the turn'; he was already eating shit and a turn wasn't going to be possible, let alone something the driver could aim to do at that speed.
>>28777763>water barrel barriers>posts a picture of them being used at a racetrackWow. Maybe the guy should have gone to a track. For those who don't know, canyon roads are not as safe as a racetrack.
>>28777806Maybe he couldn't afford it? (just kidding the answer is that he's a retard, and now he's a DEAD retard lmao)
>>28777806Why are you here?
>>28777377Are the bird stickers to prevent birds from smashing into the plexi?
>>28777615It's impressive that much carnage and both passenger cabins survived.
>>28777856Germans won
>>28777852Yes, they're silhouettes of birds of prey to make other birds not fly in there, otherwise they crash into the plexi because they can't see it and usually die from impact.
>>28776333Toyobaru does exactly this and it gets flamed for it.
>>28777367You'd much rather scrape against that wall than hit that barrier corner even at 20 mph.
>>28777883If you checked the VB WRX subreddit (I know) you can see someone posting them sliding into a ditch or wall or car every week as soon as it started snowing because they're retards.
this is why i dont drive anything with more than 350hp at least you can rip it around and still be able to control it how fast do you really need to go lmao fuck me
>>28778181For maximum enjoyment? About 15-20mph, when properly equipped.
Debating crash protection on this specific corner is retarded. This road has countless corners where any error will result in a crash directly into a rock face or a GTA style launch off a cliffside dirt berm and certain death. Either the entire near 60 mile stretch of road needs a complete safety overhaul or drivers need to simply be careful. The Angeles Crest is a national treasure and easily one of the most beautiful places to drive in the country and its proximity to the city makes it among the most unique roads of its kind. It needs no improvement. God bless California.
>>28778294If this road were in australia tourists and locals would be on their knees begging for the govt to lower the speed limit to 40
>>28777792I imagine that his family cares.
>>28778181>this is why i dont drive anythingFTFY
>>28778294There's a difference between the natural hazards and features of a road and someone adding an unexpected concrete block. It also does not negate the wisdom of the odd warning sign when the road does unexpected things: like a relatively sharp bend after exiting a long, straight tunnel where the change in light levels might visually obscure the risk. IMHO that curve would not be a hazard if there was no tunnel on the straight, as a driver would see the road going to the left as he approached
>>28776141I've driven that section multiple times, there is a bump on the exit of the tunnel. Unloaded the suspension because he was doing triple digit speed so he no steering or brakes, sent him right into the sand where he had zero chance of recovering.
>>28776964I think jew sums you up perfectly
>>28777324Everyone already knows, no need to be so hostile.glownigger. next time fully ban me for racsim faggot. I bet you are jewish and a tranny too. dial 8
>>28776141Imagine the last thing you hear before dying is: "pinche verga wey no mames"
>>28776606im pretty sure if you get ejected from your car and your body is still in the seat. you are indeed fucked.p.s im so fucking happy he is dead, and that he died like this. fuck you nigger
>>28778786Bad bot
>>28776812>I'm just happy this rich fuck didn't hit any unsuspecting innocents on his way to meet St. Peter.He could have taken out some beans and it would have been a win for everybody.
