2025 Civic Type RSTARTING MSRP $45,895>2L 4cyl >McDonalds>0-60 in a PSYCHOTIC, MINd-FUCKING-BeNDING 5 secondsShould I pull the trigger?
That junt slow as shit
>>28780184yeah sure you either like the car or you dont if youre asking on /o/ you probably don't
>>28780204Actually it's a TRACK NUCLEAR BOMB AK-69 WEAPON SKELETON EXPLOSION
>0-60 in 4.2s>$8,000 cheaperSadly it's not a GIGA-OGRE TRACKRAPE FIRE-EXPLOSION TOTAL FUCKING DEATH TRACK TRACK TRACK carIt is faster and cheaper than the Civic though.Who is the civic R for? does the R stand for Retard?
>>28780184GR Corolla was a victim of price creep from "$38k isn't that bad" to "what the fuck 2025", but you realize Civic Type R is the same issue but for a FWD sports car
>>28780217Oh come on how much can a 1.6L engine possibly cost?>$52,348Surely then it's very fast, for the price?https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/gr-corolla>0-60 in 5sdoes GR stand for Giga-Retard?
>>28780229I think you missed the point that both cars are equally absurd for the price, but one of them is FWD
>>28780235They're both FWD once the shitty Toyota AWD system overheats.
>>28780241It's worse than that, it doesn't do it when it overheats, it does it when it ASSUMES it overheats because it does not actually have a functional temperature sensor on the diff. So it just guesses that if you put X amount of power through it in Y time then it must be overheating and it goes to FWD only mode.
>>28780241That's a cope answer if I ever saw one>b-b-but car will give up if it overheats!!1
>>28780252Depending on how you look at it, it's not a worse scenario, you're saying the car isn't actually overheating, it's just Toyota being Toyota being too conservative with triggering the safety measure. Which you can circumvent if you track prep it with an upgrade.
>>28780253The difference is you can fix most cars overheating by adding more cooling. You can't fix the Corolla GR's diff disabling because it isn't actually a heat issue, it's a Toyota being retarded issue. Even if you add an aftermarket cooler to the diff and keep that thing icy cold it will still disable itself if you drive it remotely hard because the car does not measure the temperature of the diff and instead assumes that if you put too much power into it it must be overheating so turn it off.>>28780256Last I checked nobody knows how to turn it off yet. Maybe that's changed since then but last I heard it is literally stuck with this retard tier behavior.
>>28780257I'm just addressing the limp mode, not patting Goyota on their backhttps://www.syvecs.com/product/awd-4wd-controller-toyota-corolla-gr/
>>28780184NoAt best it's a glorified grocery getter.S fun grocery getter is fine, but not at $45,895.I'd only buy them as used at a good price.
They are very practical and enjoyable cars to drive. You can get one near msrp, I would.
>>28780184I could get a used C8 and do 60 in under 3 seconds
If you buy this or any other econobox with a fast boy badge at MSRP definitely DO NOT look at how much Corvette you could've gotten for the same money
>>28780184$50,000 otd base case.>>28780216Almost got the Mach 1. The non-Tremec explodes. Mach 1 gas mileage a shit. Too much attention and depreciation too. Haven't really regretted it. GTs pull on me though.>>28780241This isn't a thing - GR smokes CTR on track.(cont because quoting too many people)
>>28780389 cont>>28780297You SHOULD only get one for MSRP, they are sitting on lots now.>>28780336>>28780343C8 isn't that low without major problems. C7s are beast and almost Supra tier, but aren't a new car.CTR makes sense when it's at your price point. M2 and Supra are really far, far more overall cost. I almost wonder about the slowtoyobaru.Also CTR is fuckhueg and turbo a shit.If you are a poor (200-300k indv income), don't track and can't drive, and don't want to wrench, it kind of makes sense. As I said before, you feel like the FWD, bad.
>>28780184I can't get over the fucking red interior
>>28780397It's kind of whatever. It also comes with huge panel gaps from the factory. Literally zero difference in quality between this and an 8th gen Si. The Si might have a slightly better clutch though.
>>28780184If you want to pretend like FWD's are fun that's fine but you have to be on some sort of spectrum to spend over $50k on one. Why would you not just buy an older Si and put a turbo and some coilovers on it? I guess the type of person buying this is spending thousands of dollars on funko pops and anime pillows so their financial illiteracy sort of makes sense.
It's insane that they still won't AWD these from the factory
>>28780417> Why would you not just buy an older Si and put a turbo and some coilovers on it?You mean literally rebuild the whole car, including a strip and repaint and still have to fix minor issues like sagging headliner to have a car that is maxxed out beyond its intended role and is a glass cannon? At that point it does make sense to get something RWD or even swap the Kxx into a Toyobaru.The short answer to your question is that this is the car you get when you want a compromise that includes relative reliability. Full stop, that's the reason.>>28780418Not sure if it can survive as that - more weight, needs more hp, more brakes, affects price. We talked about this in another thread btw FWD IS maxxed out in the CTR and you still spin the new summer sports tires in the dry if you do certain things stock, so yea, this is the end of the line for the concept, but a new S2000 is more of an answer than trying to build a new STI.
It's sad that the GRC is the only new production AWD hatch with a manual for under $60k.
No. There is zero reason to have any performance parts on a civic. At its core its an econobox, I really don't care what excuse or bullshit you make up to justify it. If its racing teams, the only thing their car has in common with the highest end sports trim of your econobox, is that they somewhat have the same shape, but the car is gutted before they change everything.Get an actual sports car if you want a sports car, maybe a GR86. For the price youre listing there, you can get a GR86 and immediately supercharge it and upgrade the brakes, cooling, etc. And still save money with a 350whp econo porsche that's brand new.
>>28780184There are a ton of cars that will give you that experience for under $10k
>>28780445econoboxes with too much power are silly and fun to rag on
>>28780445>get a GR86 and immediately supercharge it and upgrade the brakes, cooling, etc. And still save money with a 350whp econo porsche that's brand new.Doubt internals and clutch can handle it.
I think it's time to buy a cheap ND1 Miata and put a k24 in it
>>28780461You may replace your clutch a little earlier but it can handle 8psi and E85 just fine.
>>28780392>poor>200-300K individual in-cumBRUH... what kind of billionheir Fanta-C land you livin in?
>>28780596It will absolutely not handle 350whp. It will 100% blow up.
>>28780184>$45k for a CIVICabsolute kek
The new i6 twin turbo Charger starts at $50k. 420 hp and 468 lb-ft torque for the base trim.
>>28780184>FWDWhy wouldn't you get a Mustang GT for less?
When will we wrap around to cars looking good again
>>28780606~200k is the minimum income to be buying anything but a base-Civic new car.>>28780608This.>>28780615Pigfat.>>28780618Preference, discussed earlier in thread. GT is more power, depreciation, gas guzzling, and arguably a worse overall experience sans highway pulls. Also the non-Mach 1 transmissions blow up.If the question is whether the GT is the "better"/truer performance car, it's pretty much an unequivocal yes. As someone who prefers the CTR overall.
>>28780392>C7s are beast and almost Supra tierLOL, no..Toyota Supra A80 (MK4) 55% Front / 45% RearChevrolet Corvette C7 40% Front / 60% Rear Toyota Supra A90 50% Front / 50% Rear>If you are a poor (200-300k indv income)That's YOU, so why are you preaching?How many C7's have you wrecked already>sorry Dad, a squirrel ran across the road, and I lost it..
>>28780618I'm less liable to destroy my car acting like a belligerent retard in a FWD vehicle.
>>28780742also true. Never had any sketchy moments in my ctr. Just enjoyable to drive and handles corners and turns well enough.
>>28780423Civic hybrids already exist, it'd be trivial to throw some traction motors on the rear wheels too. That's basically what they did with the Corvette E-Ray in reverse.Now some might make noises about 'reel awd' but if you're torque vectoring and putting power down through all four off the line, that's all the most important parts of AWD.
>>28780184The thing is, these days they are asking M240i or CT5-V money for a CTR. Which begs the question of why not just get one of those instead. Or save money and get a turbostang instead. Either way.The value proposition just doesn't really make sense anymore.
>>28780807>>28780216they're asking Ford Mustang GT 5.0L v8 money
>>28780807Try $15k cheaper than both of those cars and the bmw turns into a money pit after a few years
>>28780957it is cheaper yes, but at that price level not that much cheaperi can understand not linking nubmw. cadillacs are just dandy in general though
>>28780994Biggest problem with the CT4 V-Blackwing is that it's pigfat heavy, 3900 lbs compared to the CTR's 3200. The M240i is usually around 3800 as well. And that extra weight makes a pretty big difference on the track, even if the suspension manages to make it turn well the heavier the car is the faster it'll wear its brakes and tires.
>>28780994I'd unironically take a 10 year old BMW over a 10 year old Cadillac10 year old Cadillac will age like a Chevrolet but now you have special dealer-only Cadillac parts that were used in a relatively limited run of 5000 cars for 2 years and that's if you can even get the parts. Look at how the ATSs aged out and the CTS before it. At least the BMWs there's so many of them sold worldwide and they're mostly homogenous. >>28780957The CTR drives nothing like a M240i either. The closest analogue to the CTR is something like a Cayman GT4. BMWs just don't drive well unless you get a M car and even then the steering is dead and the car is close to 4000lbs. The CTR is more fun to drive. https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/car-comparisons/extreme-measures-honda-civic-type-r-vs-porsche-718-cayman-gt4-rshttps://g87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2022549&page=3
>>28781002>Look at how the ATSs aged out One of the best price to performance bargains on the market today?If I can order everything from strut tower assemblies to fuel pumps to connecting rods for a car from rockauto, then that means the parts are common and not hard to find.
>>28781037>timing chains on both v6/2.0ts>rings on the 2.0ts>bad clusters>cue screen not working >rear diffs leak or blow>gm 8 speed is shityeah you're looking at the common parts, its stuff like bcms, heater hoses, and magneride shocks or body/trim parts after an accident that'll make your life shitty
>>28781053https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=7188624https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=10881180https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=15186541As far as I can tell, magneride was an optional component only, so unlikely to be on many models for sale, but I dunno what name they use for it in the catalogue if any so 0.4 seconds of searching did indeed not turn anything up.
>>28781002>10 year old bmw over a Cadillac I guess I get your point on part availability. I’d imagine a us car would be no big deal even something that didn’t sell like hotcakes like a v but what do I know m, there are a shit ton of bmws
>>28780184>Should I pull the trigger?You certainly could.
>$25 valve stem capsThis retarded consoooomerism is one of the primary reasons everything is so expensive.
>>28780184>55K>for a civiclmao
>>28781002>Look at how the ATSs aged out and the CTS before it.NTA but I have a 2010 CTS, never had a problem getting parts for it. Been reliable enough while i've had it for the past 8 years, just had to replace brake pads, rotors, rear wheel bearings due to the rubber tone rings, and a alternator. If you're referring to the V edition, those parts are generally the same as a Corvette
just get audi s3 for that pricefacelifted model has torque splitter like RS3 so it not understeery, faster 0-60 times, especially in wet, superior quality
>0-60
>>28781305> 10k more out the door> .5 faster in straight line with AWD while being way slower overall> depreciates at 10x the rate> every little thing is going to break> superior qualityNo. Way more expensive service too and if you have to deal with stealership (which you do during warranty), it's being treated like top model customer vs the biggest poor in the audi stable.Nein, danke.
55k for a suped up civic cuck box? May aswell save up for a supra or Z or even a mustang gt.
>>28781821Z is slower all aroundSupra is significantly more expensive all around and harder to buy. Best car in the world GT is ok, was discussed above
>>28781969>Z is slower all aroundI gurarentee you as soon as the civic type r isnt on brand new semi-slicks, and theyre slightly worn, downgraded to allseasons, or its wet; its going to be slower in every metric. The only thing these have going for them is theyre entirely optimized around their brand new shiny cheater 200-250tw tires. Fwd on a $55k "performance' car is absolutely fucking insane work
>>28782843High old fren. We had this discussion before. 1. It's 45k. 50k OTD. Z can be had for similar, all the other cars being discussed cannot. Again, especially when factoring in depreciation.2. Does the CTR really use different tires than the rest of the cars? But yea, I am running all-seasons and it's spin city, just rotated, made it a bit better. The stock summers are stiff as fuck.
Why would you pay that much for a riced out boyracer when you could get a big fuckoff pushrod V8 for the same price?
>>28782860>>28780615Go to your containment thread. Nobody even dislikes you really, you are just a separate group, like on the short bus.
>>28782860>>28782863While we are here, I will give that bay some credit - Miata tier in the best possible way. No way are you getting to stuff like that in a Supra, Z, M2, etc. It's bearable in the Civic, but still not nearly as open and spacious.I don't speak pigfat-no-grip, but I can't think of any other car where I can literally get to everything. Hopefully that's stock and not tucked, if yes, big win.
I know 0-60 isn't everything but if it's as fast as a g37 from almost 20 years ago, c'mon man.
>>28782868Thanks bro. And I really don’t mind civics desu :3
>>28782882Just because time has passed doesn't mean a hot hatchback is meant to outperform last decade's luxury sport sedan not counting tire technology. What are you smoking
you could get a K5 GT with way more room, a quieter more comfortable ride, a more practical automatic, better sound deadening, and WAY more features - even with the GT1 options package that costs 4k and it still would cost less than the Civic R
>>28782860We don't want to drive a boat on wheels bro
>>28782889everything has to get fastermoores law isnt just for computers its for everything in life....line has to always go up
>>28782892the ctr actually has a smart knuckle design and an LSD. So when you floor it, the steering wheel doesn't turn in your hands.Gooks are too stupid to do this.
>>28782889Dude now we are talking nearly two decades, the first ones hit the dealers in '07There's no excuse for the newest Type R to not beat it, much less with a 45k + price tag.
>>28780184way too expensive for what it is. buy an elantra N or something
>>28780742>I'm less liable to destroy my car acting like a belligerent retard in a FWD vehicle.Perhaps the /lgbt/ board would be more to your liking.
>>28782860Mustang GT is nearly 4,000 lbs and has a soft, street tuned suspension unless you pay substantially more in options than a Type R is going to cost.The new Charger Scat Pack announced by Dodge is nearly 5,000 lbs. It's gone from pigfat to morbidly obese. Good luck getting that to hold any meaningful speed through the corners on a track. I don't think that car can even be made into a viable track car no matter how much aftermarket suspension you throw at it.The case for the Civic Type R, GR Corolla, Elantra N and other cars are when you have these exact needs:>You will only have one car.>That one car has to be practical for daily use.>You actually are going to track the car.>You are not going to spend more than ~$50k on the car.If any of those four things are true, then there are better cars.>You will only have one car.If you can have two cars, then just get literally anything else. A GR86 is a great option. You don't need it to be practical at that point. Your first car can be the practical car.>That one car has to be practical for daily use.If you never have more than one passenger and you don't need a ton of trunk space, then again just get literally anything else. GR86, whatever, it doesn't matter. Get a Miata, who cares at that point.>You are actually going to track the car.If you aren't going to track it, a Mustang GT base model will be a much better buy. The GT having a soft street suspension and being overweight will not matter unless you're on the track. Hell, it's probably a better riding car.>You are not going to spend more than ~$50k on the car.If the budget can go above that then get a Mustang GT Premium and add the handling pack and magneride pack. Or, just get a Dark Horse + handling pack for a little bit more. It'll still be on the heavy side, but now it has a track suspension, and you will demolish these puny cars on the track.These cars only make sense if all four of those restrictions are simultaneously true.
>>28780184>doesn't even have AWD for $55kWhat in the fuck
>>28784640Also, just to finish this up, if for some reason you actually are in that cross-section of buyer, just get an Elantra N. You'll get 97% of the performance for $10k off.This is the price point these cars should be at. They should be at a price point just slightly above the top trim of the econobox models. If the choice is $30k for a top trim ecobox or $36k for a tarted out sporty car, now it becomes a more reasonable choice for people. The other companies in the area are just running away with price because they think they can fleece enthusiasts, not realizing that if you offer these things for more affordable prices you will make up the lost margin with volume.
>>28784602It's approximately an EXTRA $10k USD putting it into a different car class and different price bracket, period.
>>28780417>spend the same as the new CTR for a rusted-out dad car with 40% of the traction, shitty handling and a rough ridethats the most mexican shit i've ever heard lmao
>>28780184>slower and more expensive than an Ecoboost Mustang
>>28784687>10 more horsepower in an 800lb heavier car>faster
>>28784691>10k USD more for fwd and 0.5 seconds slower 0-60>b-but muh curb weight, muh nimble jap katana, muh Honda interior
>>28784701If you actually track it a Type R will beat even a stock Mustang GT let alone an Ecoboost. Handling does actually matter on tracks.
>>28784706Who in the absolute fuck is taking bone-stock 2025 Mustangs and Civics to a fucking track?
Not sure why you would get this over a much cheaper Giulia. At least the alfa is rwd
>>28784754The whole point of a Type R is that you can take it to the track with only new brake pads and brake fluid. It is already 100% track capable. Same with most of the other cars in this discussion, except the GR Corolla because Toyota is retarded and doesn't know how to cool its AWD system.The Mustang GT can be a better track car than all of these, but not without spending a lot more money. You can option it up to $60k and get better suspension, or spend a ton of money on the aftermarket and replace all of its suspension yourself. But the point is it isn't in the same price category if you're looking for a track vehicle.
>>28784640Who said anything about the new scatpack? Get a 2023 or older.
>>28785341lol
>>28785347There is nothing wrong with this. It rapes your boyracermobile. Faster. Louder. Bigger road presence. Pushrods. (Push gods)
>>28785365Nobody takes chargers to the track because they have to schedule their turns a week ahead of time. It wouldn't surprise me if a base Civic would beat a Charger on the track because it's such a fucking boat. An SUV could probably beat a Charger on the track. It's absolutely embarrassing. I wouldn't be caught dead in a posermobile like that.
>>28780184If your last name is Chang, go ahead. If not, you are a basedjack.
>>28782892lil bro just recommended a KIA on an enthusiast forumrethink your life
>>28784653I am comfortable driving a 20-year-old-shitbox to work and parking it next to a bunch of new $60,000+ cars, but the N is a step too far for me.Furthermore, it will depreciate faster than the CTR and there is a cost difference only if you can't come up with the cash. What you lose in purchase price you make up in sales prices on the CTRs.>>28784754>>28785329I can't imagine taking the CTR to the track as someone who isn't rich or doesn't have his life rotating around cars. Seems like it would need pads, fluid, and an alignment after a day. Probably oil too. I don't see how people do it more than once a month and at once a month it's not at all worth it.>except the GR Corolla because Toyota is retarded and doesn't know how to cool its AWD systemThis was proven false. Stock GR smoked the CTR and never overheated.>>28785365I can't even get angry at Chally Wally bros for some reason, they just waddle around like sea cows in Florida. Are sea cows dangerous? I don't even know, I have always been too lazy to hang out with them.>>28785371If we are being honest, I don't think "track" and "Charger" ever go in the same sentence, kind of a moot point. Not even trolling, It's like taking an F250 to the track.
>>28785470>This was proven false. Stock GR smoked the CTR and never overheated.No, this was repeatedly proven true. The stock GR goes into limp mode after 4-5 laps if it's remotely warm outside.The point is not the comparison between the two, the point is that there's no reason to ever take the GR Corolla to the track because you can't even complete half a session with it without the AWD system disabling itself. Why intentionally frustrate yourself?
>>28785488https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojpaMmC1zTQI own a CTR. Video shows CTR getting smoked by GR. Note that I will never track the CTR because I don't have the time/money combination. I don't have the time to bleed my brakes and do alignments, nor do I have the money to have someone do it right instead of me.
>>28785470>I can't imagine taking the CTR to the trackThen why buy it? Like what is even the point? You're buying a car with one of the most sophisticated track tuned suspensions ever put in a car of its price category to... drive around town in it?Unless you really like the styling (in which case I question your judgement) I just do not see it.
>>28785495I have watched that exact video. Yes, that video shows the CTR losing to an extremely heavily modified GR. That GR has almost $20k in aftermarket parts in it. That video also shows the GR going into limp mode halfway through the session, which proves my point.The point is not the comparison. The point is taking a GR to the track means you WILL go into limp mode before completing a session. Why frustrate yourself? Track days exist to have fun. How is it fun to have your car nanny you and tell you to pull over and let it cool down when you're just getting started?
>>28785488>>28785495Also, small fact - my front pads are at 9/10. My rears are at 5/10s after a year. CTR has some rotation-assist bullshit that applies rears to spin the car and avoid oversteer. It pulses the shit out of them and overheats them. You can disable it, but it requires a pedal dance I am too lazy memorize past R + ECS off + all assists off. This still remains.This is also a point for the "CTR is a gimmick" fags - auto pulsing rears to fake spin is a step too far for me.But GT is just not my thing and no manual Supras available without 15k markup.
>>28785497I don't like the styling and it's fuckhueg. I am coming from Miata/8th gen Si/Integra. This POS feels bigger than the B5 Audi S4 was.> Then why buy it? Like what is even the point? You're buying a car with one of the most sophisticated track tuned suspensions ever put in a car of its price category to... drive around town in it?Exactly. I wanted an upgrade, which the Si is not given that the new one has 200 hp which is the same as my 8th gen Si. Furthermore, I think the total cost of ownership will be the same due to faster depreciation on the Si. To be fair, I didn't expect needing two set of wheels and pads being a shitton just in parts - don't want to wrench anymore, but definitely doing stuff like pads myself like usual.See above on why I didn't get the Supra. Other than that, the only thing in the running was really the GR86. I can't handle the Z not living up to its looks.It basically came down to there is nothing else to get and Hondas being fairly reliable, more so than really anything else in my experience. Plus I can wrench on it without checking the manual for anything other than torque specs. But again, I don't want to wrench anymore, so this is more if I have to. I don't give a shit about cars anymore. Maybe would if I had literally endless money and spare time. It's a small joy once in a while though.>>28785503>Yes, that video shows the CTR losing to an extremely heavily modified GR. That GR has almost $20k in aftermarket parts in it. That video also shows the GR going into limp mode halfway through the session, which proves my point.I will take your word for it, all I saw was the CTR getting smoked.
>>28785513>I will take your word for it, all I saw was the CTR getting smoked.Maybe watch the video you link? Like they literally go into depth about these things in the very video. The driver of the CTR's entire strategy was waiting for the GR Corolla to go into limp mode and catch up to it then. That strategy didn't play out as the video showed because there was too much built up time advantage before it went into limp mode, but that was the whole premise of the video. Did you just search it up on YT and link the video sight unseen?To be fair to the GR Corolla, you don't actually need that much modification on 2025/2026 model year GR Corollas because they updated the stock suspension in 2025. The new stock suspension is much better and it's no longer a requirement to replace it to make it a decent car. And, there is a permanent solution to the transfer case problem, if you're willing to void your warranty. So the GR Corolla can be made into a car that can be fun to take on track days -- it's just going to cost you more than a CTR will. The question becomes what's worth more -- a car a little bit faster on the track than a CTR, with no warranty, is substantially more expensive because of the aftermarket work needed, and with an absolutely awful interior and possibly the worst sound system of a car in its price category, or a car that is track capable full stock, has a really nice interior and sound system, and is cheaper? If you aren't married to getting an AWD car it's a really hard sell.
>>28785533¯\_(ツ)_/¯The GR is nu-male coded.
Just get a 911. Can track and daily it. Not that expensive to own due to low depreciation.
>>28785557I don't believe you 911 fags. It's the same problem as the C7 - fairly expensive, very high performance car that will have incredible wear if driven as intended and needs constant inspections and maintenance and you stealership is unaffordable.
