Title.I have come across a lot of retards who think that fwd is faster even though it isn'tSince all of the weight on the car in fwd falls on the front wheels and has to drag the body while in an RWD the rear wheels have to push the weights in which the weight of the car doesn't drop on the rear wheels. not only that but a lot of super and sports cars are rwd even F1 cars are rwdHell I even we even watched this video togetherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8Ck_zXa19Ain which he watched only the first 2 rounds and not the whole thing and said fwd wins because the audi was slightly ahead of the BMW in the first 2 rounds and ignored the rest of the video and the facts surrounding it.I mean I'm not gonna argue with this person anymore.But really how do you guys deal with such retards.Yes I realize this borders on advice but this is more like a science thing to me and not only that it's ticks me off when they call themselves a car guy.
>>28780808>how do you guys deal with such retardsLol these ricers won't be happy untill they over pay for a civic or some egg shaped European rental, i just agree and amplify if humiliation is socially unacceptable (at work, friend group etc)
It takes traction to turn the car. It takes traction to accelerate the car.A FWD car uses the front wheel for both of these functions. As a result, if you need both functions at the same time (such as accelerating out of a turn), the efficacy of each function will be reduced. FWD cars typically have strong understeer characteristics particularly when leaving corners. A RWD car, by contrast, will use the front wheels to turn and the rear wheels to accelerate, and gets much better corner exit speed.This doesn't mean that a FWD car will never beat a RWD car. The advantage is present, but it isn't overwhelmingly large if both cars are tuned for racing. This just means that if you have two identical cars, one FWD one RWD (such as an AWD car with customizable power split), on a traditional track a RWD car should win.
theres a reason why literally every single racecar on the planet whether its formula 1 or nascar is rear wheel drive Theres just a limit to how hard you can accelerate in a FWD car, considering weight transfer to the rear wheels. moreover, once you introduce steering, the front wheels cannot do both the job of turning and accelerating without losing traction disastrously.
>>28780808>How do you explain to retards that RWD is faster than FWDI don't talk to retards about cars and I don't debate silly topics like that.
>>28780842Yeah he said that as well but couldn't use the logic that fwd has more weight/force/strain put on it compared to the RWD which makes the rwd faster
>>28780847I mean if you're a car guy that is like car 101
You don't. Retards can only learn things the hard way.
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>>28780808Drivetrain doesn't make a huge difference in low power cars because they're momentum cars. Once you get above 300hp FWD cars are clearly limited by their configurations constraints though and struggle to put power down effectively
>>28780808RWD is faster in acceleration because acceleration causes weight transfer to the rear, increasing maximum grip of the rear axle and decreasing maximum grip of the front axlethis applies both in a straight line and when accelerating out of cornerssome (relatively) low power FWD cars like the civic type R are very fast compared to similar power/weight FWD cars because the layout has low drivetrain losses and a lot of weight over the front axle to provide grip, but with cars >300hp the advantage during acceleration far outweighs the slight benefits of FWD
>>28780808In the words of Enzo Ferrari>The horse pulls the cart, it does not push
>>28780808Explaining to stupid people is easy. You just make it easy.Tires have 100 grip.Turning either takes 100 of the grip, or power takes 100 of the grip.Have both on one wheel you cant have 100 of both at the same time.
>>28780847This>>28780808Who the fuck are you even talking to that this is a problem? And how little do you know about cars that you can't explain why rwd is better?
>>28780808>Since all of the weight on the car in fwd falls on the front wheels and has to drag the body while in an RWD the rear wheels have to push the weights in which the weight of the car doesn't drop on the rear wheels.Oh. You know like, NOTHING nothing.
>>28781389Well I worded that wrong but I always use the analogy of pushing and pulling when talking about FWD and RWD in the sense that an RWD is pushing and doesn't have weight behind it(even though weight of the car transfers and falls entirely on the rear wheels and thus provides more traction and grip to the rear wheels) and that fwd is pulling the body and has a lot of weight and force behind it thus slowing it down just like we humans push instead of pull because it's easier,more efficient and effective.>>28781387Above statement.
>>28780808https://youtu.be/QaR843im04Agotta explain weight transfer and the traction circle to them
It's just hondafag cope, beaner machismo etc
>>28780898Did she get the sale?
>>28781460your push pull shit makes no sense and is completely wrong. It's no wonder you can't convince people if that's the type of argument you use.RWD is better because of weight transfer which you seem to understand to some degree, and turning which>>28781362simplifies nicely. It's all traction.
>>28781499Thanks for the constructive criticism then friend(No I mean it no sarcasm or joke there).And what did I miss in my weight transfer description then(I do think I understand it and know it but if you think I don't know/understand it fully I welcome explanations then)?
>>28780898I wanna RWD her
>>28780808>How do you explain to retards that RWD is faster than FWDUnder acceleration, weight is shifted back, expanding your front suspension and compressing your rear suspension, giving you less traction on the front wheels and more traction on the back wheels.You need traction to transfer power from your car to the road.When braking, weight is shifted forward, loading the front of the car. FWD cars are typically very poorly balanced due to the entire drive train being in the front of the car. So when braking and turning, you're asking your drive wheels to turn while extremely heavily weighted. this leads to understeer.
Is it now? How is RWD faster than FWD?Is a brand new civic type r slower than a Volvo 145, the Volvo is RWD after all.
>>28780808> "I just got gapped by a CTR in my boomer C6", the thread> For a base Corvette C6, lap times varied, but a strong indicator from Sport Auto was around 8:15.000> (FWD) lap record at the Nürburgring Nordschleife with an official time of 7 minutes, 44.881 seconds
>>28781534>7:59 Chevrolet Corvette (C6) Driver: John Heinricy Note: Z51 packagehttps://www.motortrend.com/news/nurburgring-nordschleife-racetrack-lap-timesToo bad measuring laps from 20 years apart is a fruitless effort with tire tech advancements. But it's safe to say with articles like https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a63183523/porsche-carrera-gt-laps-nurburgring-faster-than-ever-thanks-to-modern-tires/ that the C6 would be faster on a modern tire.
>>28781546Nah, I will give you that. I agree with anon saying "It's a boomer world, we just live in it and corvette is best price/performance ratio".I just know OP and he is a faggot, so he has to get trolled
>>28781496Not before also demonstrating what BJ stands for.
They are correct. In of itself, the vehicle being rear drive doesn’t make it faster
>>28782592It's the chassis code for a first gen flat roof Legacy wagon, duh.
>>28780808> Lotus Engineering had just spent the past 5 years tuning and refining chassis systems for a variety of other manufacturers. They had the opportunity to be involved in many projects that allowed them to study a wide variety of platforms, and many lessons were learned. Chassis rigidity was of paramount importance, ... Perhaps most surprising was the realization of the performance potential in front wheel drive. The ride and handling engineers found that for a given vehicle weight, power and tire size, a front wheel drive car was always faster over a given section of road.https://www.gglotus.org/ggtech/m100-lcu-manual/m100lcu.htm> At the time, Toyota made both RWD and FWD Corollas of the same weight, same power, and with the same tyres. Wet or dry, circuit or Alpine climb, the FWD car was faster everywhere, and with any driver – and by a big margin, especially in wintery conditions.https://www.vehicledynamicsinternational.com/john-miles-archive/lotus-elan-m100-the-dynamics-challenges.html
>>28782637You need to send these findings to every manufacturer NOWAnd let all the race orgs know too.Especially guys that run top fuelers, if they made the wheels that lift on the ground the drive wheels they'd have faster cars
