>engine breakHuh?>i mean turn on regen Huh?>use one pedal mode so it slows without using the brakes and sliding Huh?
Uh did you have a seizure while making this thread?>I hit the brakes>in the snowDo you have no idea how a car works? Brakes do literally nothing at all in the snow. You locked up the tires. Without traction that means nothing. This is why they make snow tires. (and why there isn't such a thing as 'snow brakes')
It's a big boy SUV, shouldn't have any issue of getting out of there
>>28781318uhh its got da fourwheeldribe shouldnt have no trouble gettin outta there
lol
Reminder that you share the road with autotragic drivers that only understand "apply brakes"
Americans are up there with jeets in terms of their terrible driving skills kek
Reminder that you share the road with manualtards that think you can't engine break without holding a phallic object in your right hand.
engine braking in snow is an IQ test. if you think it gives you any advantages over your usual hydraulic brakes, you're a retard.
>>28781374You can't even take your car out of park without standing on the brake. The manufacturer thinks your are so goddam stupid and that you will drive through a wall or run someone over taking your vehicle out of park that then have interlocked the automatic shifter to the brake pedal. Manual transmission models?>no, you're fine you known what you are doing
>>28781374What does a torque converter do Anon?
>be riding in friends car>autotradgic >tries to slow down for slight incline (2"+ of ice) in residential street >ABS tries its best>car is in drive pushing car along with brakes held on>"OMG WHAT ITS N-OT STOPPING ANON!!!">10 seconds of him freaking the fuck out just turning the wheel desperatly >"WE ARE GONNA HIT THIS WALL AT 2MPH WTF">Tell him to put it in neutral>"i-its not gonna work!">PUT IT IN NETURAL>He does>the car stops>"holy shit anon how did you know to do that?">mfw
>>28781318get real rubbers retard
>>28781369Why do none of those people have ordinary snow tires? Is it in a hot country where snow is rare?
>>28781369this looks like less of a driver problem and more of a road problemwebm is hilarious btw starts off boring but everything after the second bus is great
>>28781318Nah, throw it in reverse and gun it
>>28781406They're tires aren't even turning. They are standing on the brakes and the tires are sliding. You need to keep your tires turning as you brake to slow down and maintain steering control. All those idiots are locking up the wheels standing on the brake and sliding out of control down the hill.
>>28781369From 0:31 onwards it just looks like the cars are like kids having fun sliding down a hill>my turn weeeee
>>28781406Snow tires won't save you from your own retarded ass.
>>28781443>They're tires aren't even turning. They are standing on the brakes and the tires are sliding. You need to keep your tires turning as you brake to slow down and maintain steering control. All those idiots are locking up the wheels standing on the brake and sliding out of control down the hill.ABS has been a standard feature in all cars for decades.
>>28781406"Snow tires" don't mean shit, they're driving on ice. You'd need metal studded tires or chains and yes both are rare to actually see even in snowy areas.
>>28781370Umm sweaty...that video is Canada
>>28781456https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsMd5sY3FvoWe used to put grit on the roads for traction; then someone got the idea to put grit in the compound for traction.There isn't that much distance between a premium ice friction/nordic compound tyre and a premium studded tyre these days even on smooth ice; and in conditions like the road in that webm with frozen compact, it's actually even better.
>>28781384>your areESL detected, opinion discarded
>I don’t need dedicated winter tires
>>28781369Comfy ass road
>>28781391That's not how automatics work
>>28781474>hurr studless is better than studdedI wish people would stop regurgitating this meme. Don't tell people they don't need studs just because you're not allowed to run them. On pure ice and compacted and glazed snow there is no comparison to a top of the line studless and even a cheap studded tire. Sure studless tires can be really good on it but it's physically impossible to replicate the grip you get with metal biting in. Go watch an icy rally stage that doesn't allow studs. Even with their insanely soft race compound ice tires they're still struggling to the point where a small FWD or a AWD crossover with studs would be faster.
>>28781325>This is why they make snow tires. (and why there isn't such a thing as 'snow brakes')lel never thought of that
>>28781474>15min I ain't watching that shit.>premium ice friction/nordic compound "Premium"-anything doesn't matter for the average consumer trying to survive the winter in his shitbox. If ice is a genuine concern, studded tires make the most sense financially. Otherwise, they're getting some off-brand chink hoops for winter just so they're not driving on hockey pucks when it gets cold.
>>28781501Who are you quoting? because it's not something I ever said.Obviously rally spikes would give you maximum traction, but you're not getting spikes. Between studs or not having studs, studs will give you more confidence; but a few degrees of difference in confidence, not a whole other zipcode of confidence. A studded tyre and ice friction tyre are both effectively the same level of improvement over a summer or chinese seasonal, is what I'm saying.
>>28781512>I ain't watching that shit.Sorry about your disability.>"Premium"-anything doesn't matter forSorry, but feedback from reality tells a different story. Sure, for 'not dying when the temps drop below freezing' purposes almost any rubber with a low grass transition temperature will work. But if you want to talk about what actually has more traction, or usable traction, then I'm paying attention to objective test results.Tyre technology has improved a lot in recent years (one of the few things that has), and a lot of the old myths or rules of thumb no longer apply - for certain exceptional models. There are good 'all weather' tyres that you can drive year round in the market right now that will provide even better snow traction than the off-brand chink 'winter' hoops. There are good 'nordic compound' tyres in the market right now that can provide levels of traction on ice that were impossible for anything short of chains or studs in past times. That's just reality - and we get to enjoy it.
>>28781395If you're not a brokie and have the space. It's definitely worth it to have a summer and winter set
>>28781455Why don't you go ask every one of those cars that slid down the hill "why didn't you ABS?"
>>28781391how does the transmission make the tires act different?
>>28781547nta, but presumably the fact that most at transmissions with torque converters in drive are never fully disconnected and will always be sending at least a little bit of power through the driveshaft to turn the wheels
>>28781556and how does that make tires have less traction when braked?
I went ice driving this morning so I could do some AWD drifting since there wasn't any real snow last night
>>28781369Where I live we get maybe a small bit of snow once in like 10 years. I don't have to drive to work or anywhere so I only do it for my own enjoyment.I am insanely scared of having to one day drive in conditions like this.Even when it's rainy I drive like a grandma, despite having Michellin PS 4's on.When weather and visibility are good? I drive like I have a deathwish on my 1.6L shiny shitbox(in game of course)
>>28781369>muh engine brakingWheel traction is the problem, why do you think the source of the braking force is relevant?
>>28781369the snow plow looking like it's desperately tossing as much salt as it possibly can makes me laugh my ass off
>>28781472What's the difference
>>28781569presumably the torque converter and abs both fuck with the amount of grip available, like a see saw wildly unbalanced, or a tug-o-war between the two. when switching to neutral it's purely the weight of the vehicle only affecting it at that point.
>>28781369>the cop doing a perfect 180kino
>he doesn't pull his abs fuse when it starts to snow
>>28781523See >>28781451ABS won't save you from your own retarded ass
>>28781589>>28781569the answer is that it depends on gearing. off throttle engine inertia provides drag torque, when coupled with brake torque you end up with extra decel torque. this can go one of two ways: 1. the driver downshifts to a lower gear, adding drag torque to the driven wheels, on top of whatever the brake pedal is doing2. the driver shifts to neutral, which cancels all drag torque, so the only torque applied to the wheel is brake torque3. (modern cars) the driver enters ABS, and the ABS system can request a reduction in engine drag, up to a capped propulsive torque limit. this is designed to recover the wheels if on extremely slippery surfaces this also applies for EVs, but the way the torque is delivered to the wheel is a bit different, because there isn’t a transmission, just a single gear ratio driving a differential. and regen typically ensures that more drag torque is in the system than friction torque, which can send you into oversteer city if it’s a RWD EV
>>28781406that video is from queerbec where winter tires are mandated half the year. it was just extremely icy after freezing rain. even good tires and 4x4 won't save you on really slick ice and slush.
>>28781325>Brakes do literally nothing at all in the snow.You fucking what? How do you think anyone drives in the snow if there's no stopping?
>>28781369>dont mess with texas
>>28781582That was a black ice situation. After the service truck anyone after that should have seen the pile up from a quarter mile away and got the memo but were busy listening to Joe Rogan scream about how the earth is flat or something.If you put proper winter grippies on your car during a snow day you feel like a fucking god, especially with 4WD/AWD.
>>28781325>Brakes do literally nothing at all in the snow.Brakes in snow are like having a brake pedal with a raw egg taped to it. Just don't break the egg.
>>28781395>no seasonsKek.
>>28781391>put it in neutral on a hill, that'll slow it down
>>28781395What's with the hype around these? Even guys I work with are super autistic about Micheline Pilot Sports and immediately put them on any car they buy.
>>28781369The snowplow also sliding down is the cherry on top. Where is this? >>28781983They're very good tires if you need immense grip. I have the set that came with the GR86 and I don't like them, its way too much grip for the car, they're too track centric. I'm also not a good enough driver to compensate or predict how the loss of traction just violently snaps on those tires. On sport winter tires and clear roads, the car behaves how you'd expect it to with gradual loss of traction like any other car I've ever driven. Do not recommend spending the money on pilot sports unless you like that sort of track centered infinite grip driving. t. uneducated funhaver opinion
>>28781994I tend to throw my car pretty hard in corners and things like that, so maybe more grip would be good. Though I don't really like the sound of "loss of traction just violently snaps on those tires" so that's a bit off putting.
>>28781997Yeah its not a good feeling, and when its happened to me I've had traction control on. It was also when I just got the car, with my previous car being a 90 Z32 TT with a very mild chip tune and exhaust, no TC and 18" 275 all seasosn in the rear. When the car reached the edge of grip it was very gradual and you could feel it, the smoothest thing to drive at the edge. Looking at how the modern 86 development has gone from first gen to now, they had the right idea with the first gen and shipping it with prius tires. They gave the US exactly what they asked for, more HP and better tires with gen 2, but people still call it slow. Critics will never be satisfied.
>>28781521>Sure, for 'not dying when the temps drop below freezing' purposes almost any rubber with a low grass transition temperature will workHoly shit. I just had to stop reading there. Not only is that not my argument that you just made up, it's also wrong.I can only hope you're a bot because it's more comforting than the reality of retards like you jeopardizing human lives on the road.
>>28781860Literally all you have to do to drive in the snow is not mash your inputs like a caveman and people can't fucking manage it
>>28781369We got something similar last year but it was the first bad ice of the season.Turned the roads into an ice rink in hours and I got to drive a step van back to distro on a double lane.People were pulling off the road because they knew I couldn't stop even if I wanted to.Then I had to shove my car onto my lawn because the driveway was too slick for it to stay without sliding away.
>>28782070speaking of public endangerment is pretty rich coming from someone who just got done recommending people roll on gutteroil chinkshit
>>28781569I guess you could have a situation where the perfectly balanced brakes would skid all wheels at exactly the same amount of peddle pressure, but now you have some idle torque on two of the wheels so you may skid two wheels while the other two are still driving.
>>28782104i don't think i need to argue much about how incredibly unlikely that is to happen, even in an absolute ideal situation, and how far less likely it is going to mean anything in a situation like op argued
>nu-/o/ actually thinks having a manual replaces the need for snow/stud tires in wintercan't make this shit up even if I wanted to lol
>>28782210Being able to rely on engine braking at will is still better than the alternative, even if it doesn't do THAT much.
>>28782222You have no business having a DL if you think any of that matters over having proper tires
>>28781369>gubmint vehiclesEven if the drivers know the risk, they still get told to run on the cheapest yet overpriced summer set they have on.
>>28782101>someone who just got done recommending people roll on gutteroil chinkshitAgain, not what I said, retard. Keep grasping at straws if that'll keep you off the road.
>>28781584Are you retarded? Engine braking will keep the tires rotating as the car slows.
>>28782222You don't understand how cars work. Keep your bus pass. You're going to need it sooner than you think.
>summer tires >all season tires >no chains Plainsfags going on vacation in the ski resorts never cease to amaze me.
>>28782222You can engine brake in an auto, at will.
>>28782222The majority of modern autos have manual gear selection. I'd be more surprised to find an auto car from the last 20 years that doesn't have it actually.
>>28782232Tires are all the same when they are locked up on and sliding on snow like snow skis. Downshift and engine brake down icy hills instead on standing on the brake.
>>28782327The majority of autotragic drivers are too stupid and/or afraid to downshift.
>>28782336Most have a failsafe that won't allow a downshift if it knows the RPMs are too high. That heavily depends on the car though, I know a lot of econoboxes don't have that and you can money shift them, but a lot of luxury cars have that failsafe.
>>28781318Op is a massive faggot https://www.torquenews.com/17998/still-almost-hit-my-house-mustang-mach-e-owner-says-even-driving-super-slowly-snow-tires
>>28781391?? Your brakes can overcome idle power easily... what am I not understanding?
>>28781318What a shitty Homesite layout. I hope you got that on a discount.
>>28781369Comfy
>>28782781>almost-hit-my-houseI assume he hit the shed instead.
>one pedal driving
>>28782781Bro literally just don't drive off the side of your driveway. Buy some markers if you're too stupid to handle it.
>>28782781>whisper modewhat the hell even is that?
>>28781994>The snowplow also sliding down is the cherry on top. Where is this?It's in Montreal.
>>28782781wow had no idea that was a mach-e, looks like some korean suv
>>28782972My snow blower has one kek
>>28782318You're both inordinately aggressive and confused so who knows what you're saying.What I'm saying is I know what there is on the market that has traction and I have the data to prove it. That's the bottom line.
>>28781647>RWD EVfor what purpose?
>>28782330damn, how does that give the tires more traction?
