Just about everything other than a DCT is inferior to the ZF8HP by a wide margin. And even a DCT is inferior in many other aspects, its just that they just shift faster which is all that benchracers like you and everyone on /o/ cares about.

>>28783873
how much worse are we talking here?
on a scale of 1-10

>>28783875
Your chinkbox in OP has a traditional 6 speed slushbox that Aisin released in 2005 (A960E). Its not even in the same league or generation of car development as the ZF8. Its at best a 5/10 if the ZF8 is a 9/10.

>>28783880
ZF8 is like 5/10 in most cars, the Aisin is a 4/10.

>>28783884
the zf8 can be remapped to be 10/10 though

>>28783884
What? Name a better torque converter auto than a ZF8HP. Its so good boomer faggots are swapping them into 60s classics instead of the usual TH350/400/4L80 trash they've paraded for decades.

The best ZF8 I have ever felt was in a regular Giulia 2.0L turbo with a tune. It had the Giulia GTAm gearbox software flashed as well as a squadra stage 1 tune. It was on that day I stopped hating torque converters

raped by a 6R80 (ZF6HP) in a v6 mustang

>>28783870
Never drove one, but every source out there has the automatic being a whole second slower on the 0-60. First gen toyobarus took nearly 8 seconds to reach 60 with the auto.

How did Tayioter manage to make the most generic looking sports car ever?

>>28783873
>>28783880
which is better 10l80/10r80 or zf8?

>>28783905
By taking inspiration from Porsche

>>28783912
>28783912
ZF8 of course. One was deigned by autistic krauts that have been honing in their craft for decades, the other is two retarded cletuses partnering together to make one of the worst modern transmissions ever made. How Ford and GM managed to make a 10 speed clunk in this decade I will never understand.
the 6R80 is infinitely better than the 10L/R80 (>>28783895 jokes but theres truth). I guess though its better than the disaster that was the GM 8L which funnily enough is just a ZF8 that GM somehow fucked up by ignoring ZF's design and changing (see: cheapening) things their way. If they had just wholesale copied ZF like Ford did with the 6R80 this wouldn't of happened.

>>28783870
it's slow either way who gaf

>>28783870
Why would you get it with an autotragic in the first place?

>>28783884
Delulu

>>28783873
Pretty much this. I have three vehicles, two with 8HP70s and one 8HP90. DCTs might shift ever so slightly quicker, but they’re lacking in many other ways.
>>28783912
The ZF8 is superior to the 10R/L. The 10 speeds are cool when they’re working but as many people and forums have pointed out, past stock or NA power levels you’re going to have inevitable problems if you like to beat on the thing. Sure you can build it but it’s not going to have the same shift quality or drive ability like stock. They’re fairly sloppy with factory tuning when driving casually in comparison to the ZF8s. The ZF8s can also be controlled with aftermarket controllers making swaps possible like the Supra 2JZ ZF8 swap.

>>28783870
automatics are gay as fuck

>>28783870
If you don't wanna worry about gears why do you ricers just not buy teslas? They're super fast and no shifting, the shit drives itself. Pretty much the ideal car for a man like you.

>>28784188
manuals are performative masculinity tho

>>28783870
Getting it in auto defeats the purpose of buying the car. They designed it perfectly in the first gen. They remade an 80s car and gave you everything everyone asked for. Busriders and benchracers whined so much, they made the second gen the equivalent of an FD RX7 or a first gen NSX, just an entirely different class of car from the first gen. People are still whining. They could give you a flat fix and drop it in the rear, pump it to 330whp and people would STILL be crying its not enough power or the car is a gay pikachu or whatever the fuck.

No idea why this car attracts so much seethe from people who will never buy it, had no interest in ever buying it. They're just mad it exists.

The auto is absolutely tragic in this. gt3 pdk is 10/10, a new m2 is a 7.5 and a supra a 6 this is a 4/10. It will constantly fight you disallowing down shifts and having odd jerky up shifts.

>>28784443
I had a gen 1. The torque dip wasn't overstated it seriously was bad. The engine sounded like gravel at high rpm. Really the biggest downside of the car. Putting it on proper tyres in the stock size was enough to just enjoy the car for what it was. Gen 2 I wasn't impressed by even if the engine did feel better. Especially since things really have moved on since 2012.

>>28783912
ZF8 >> 10L80 > 10R80

I have heavily abused many Challinjars (ZF8), Cumarrows, and Mustgays.

ZF8 is smooth and fast, makes little farts on high-throttle upshift (but Dodge seems to have tuned it down a lot in 2022+ Challinjars).

10L80 (Chebby) also smooth and fast, not as good as ZF8 but almost there. Never caught slippin or floating in between gears or clunking. Very smooth upshifts and downshifts. There was some kind of recall recently though.

10R80 (Ford): HORRIBLE. Absolutely horrific trannymission in everything from F150 to Mustang. Much slower to react than 10L80, clunky as hell with shifts so jerky they break traction and have caused me to spin out multiple times when I try to get spicy in daily driving. Rough downshifts knocking traction loose made me nearly die on the freeway when I tried to do a pull from 70mph, bone stock not like I'm supercharged. I swear this is part of why so many Mustangs crash. It's always caught flat-footed floating between gears, significant delays, so instead of getting engine braking from a downshift, the car actually speeds up for a bit as it floats in Neutral before the downshift catches it. It's literally dangerously bad. Ford management needs to sudoku themselves for this POS tranny.

>>28784646
>do a pull
Do your next one and near a bridge and spin off, faggot.

>>28784625
>The engine sounded like gravel at high rpm
subaru engines being absolute boat anchors that require turbos to be good at all? noooo
built for 2GR-FSE swap

>>28784646
>shift farts
that's entirely in the tune
>10R80
if true, legitimately worst tranny programming i have ever heard of. worse than honda 5 speeds of the early 2000s, because at least those shift quickly, lock the TC on downhills and only shift hard when they're about to die.
>breaking traction on shifts
holy fuck lmao, you'd be better off driving stick, even if you dont know what you're doing it's safer than whatever the fuck kinda automatic that is.

more stories?

>>28783889
the 10R/10L when put in track mode in my mustang is pretty good. GM and Ford benchmarked the ZF8 in their design, which is probably why it’s the most comparable.

the base shift map sucks ass though, and in it the torque converter loves to randomly open when on the brake, which sucks. tbd on longevity

>>28784658
>more stories?
NTA but that piece of shit tranny loves to lug the fuck out of the engine, was driving the company truck and had it on cruise control at 55. Brought it up to 65 and expected it to violently downshift like cruise control usually does but no, it accelerates in 10th gear at like 1000RPM all the way up. Abysmal.

>>28784797
You’re not the first person I’ve heard bring up the lugging behavior of the 10R variant transmissions. Beating the hell out of your bottom end all in the name of fuel economy.

>>28783870
Why would you buy that with an automatic?
It doesn't matter if the automatic transmission is fine. It just goes against the purpose of the spirit of the car.
If you want an auto, get something like an Audi or BMW

>>28784793
the 10r is in fact a ZF-built gearbox closely related to the ZF8, not merely inspired by it