>>28786688>McDonald's struts>ebay springs>ebay rotorsR I C E R
oh fuck off, the dodge wheelwell battery placement is terrible dogshit
>>28786704Do you seriously have to pop a panel off and take the tire off to change the battery?
>>28786711That engine bay must have a strong rubber smell
>>28786725Moreover the high temperature in the engine will certainly damage the rubber.
Old bugs used air pressure from the spare tire to spray the windshield
>>28786704>I have to remove 6 bolts? Aiieeeee!Modern Americans.
>>28786815>boltsNigger you have to remove nylon clips, which wear out and break. And the oem ones are outrageously overpriced while the chinese trash go brittle in less than 6 months
>>287868191 clip, the rest are bolts/screws, double nigger.t: Viper owner
>>28786823All wheel well battery work is the same.>6-8 nylon push pin clips>3 holddown bolts
>>28786839Did I fucking stutter? >>28786823
>>28786708Yes
>>28786708inspired by ferrari
>>28786688Five people in a ten foot long car.
>>28786844Yes.
>>28786815So weird that you dont mention jacking up the vehicle and removing the wheel.
Always liked the "ratchet" alternator tensioner on the S38 engines.I think some older Mercs also used a similar system.
>>28786872Nice turbo
>>28786878......
>>28786967Leave.
>>28786735Brilliant honestlyHow many fill ups of the washer fluid would one tire provide?
>>28786969My handheld tire inflator does a wheelbarrow tire in about 6 seconds but a truck tire is about 10 minutes.So that's a 1:100 ratio.
>>28786688Actually EVs.Because there are no gearboxes, engines, massive cooling systems and fuel tanks they have all the space in the world.
>>28787101this is the correct answer, even if people don't like it.
>>28786852ferrari sort of has an excuse:>fuck-huge v12 in the engine bay>better for weight balance (although it should be somewhere near the center of the car)>expensive maintenance is expected
>>28786688FD RX-7 engine bays. This one has an aftermarket intake and intercooler but it still has the twin turbos, smog pump, AC, and front mounted batteries. >>28786872Basically all old BMWs have that, and yes, some Mercedes do as well.
>>28787133man I love these cars but the REW is a thermal nightmare. the only proper setup for these is a vmount stack with rad/intercooler that takes up half the engine bay and a hood with so many vents it might as well not be there. in the theme of the thread a 2 rotor is very efficient in terms of power to block volume though.
>>28787133This one looks totally stock. I saved this because it's really rare to see one with zero mods.
>>28786688The pushGOD V8.
>>28787133>Basically all old BMWs have thatE32 7 series didn't, neither did E38.Actually aside for the S38 we had at my previous workplace, I haven't seen such a system on a BMW before or after. Everything else was with a belt tensioner pulley of some sort.
>>28787146E32s definitely used it, at least M30 cars did. I've seen enough junkyard M30s to know that. V belt cars obviously don't use it.
>>28787153>V belt carsFuck! *non V belt cars
>>28786969From what I've heard you're supposed to overpressure the tire. There's also a pressure valve to prevent draining the spare too far.
>>28787145A fully dressed engine vs missing most accessories I hate boomers and their stupid memes
>space efficientyou mean hard to work on useless clutter? here, have a vr30 abomination!
>>28786690This, so cringe when I see a regular ass economical car and they put drilled rice rotors on that thing like it's some sort of a racecar, meanwhile you're losing braking surface at the cold ass temps it's operating at because it's a fucking daily.
>>28786852Alot of Aston Martins have their battery under the rear seats.
>>28787837Pretty common. A 30 year old BMW has its battery under the rear seats.
>>28787447You have never touched a V8 (amongst other things like a 3d woman) and it shows.
>>28787153>>28787156In that case it must've been an US thing, I've had 3 M30 BMWs and they all had a tensioner spring like on the M70
>>28787101Except for the battery, which takes up a lot of room, and the cooling system for the battery you forgot about. And the resistive heater you forgot about. And the fact that EVs are huge compared to normal cars if they need a range of more than 10 feet. And the fact they have enormous wheels that encroach on cabin space so that they don't look disproportionately small, despite the fact bigger wheels gives them an even more pathetic range.
>>28788318My ioniq 6 is the size of a camry yet has interior space comparable to an S class. The battery and other components are all tucked under the floor. It (and most other EVs) uses an efficient heat pump, not a resistive heater. The wheels are a normal 18” size. All benefits of a car that was designed from the ground up to be electric.
>>28787109>although it should be somewhere near the center of the carNo you retard, you have to compensate for the weight of the driver.
>>28787924Whats the point? Its bigger.
>>28786688>space efficient automobile designbut not designed for ease of maintenance. These Nissan 300ZX have astounding technology in such a small footprint at the time when no other brand was capable of this feat. Unibody chassis, multi-link suspension with rear steering, fixed brake caliper system, with a twin-turbo V6 powerplant.
>>28789823>astounding technology in such a small footprint at the time when no other brand was capable of this feat.Not really, it was basically par with its peers.>Unibody chassis,I don't understand why you mentioned this, pretty much everything was unibody by the time the Z32 came out.>multi-link suspension MK3 supra and others had that before the Z, all of its Japanese contemporaries had multi link suspension too>with rear steeringHonda had that before the Z, the 3000GT had it too>fixed brake caliper systemFC RX7 had it before the Z, all of the Z32's Japanese contemporaries had them as well>twin-turbo V6 powerplant3000GT had it at the same time as the Z, and all most of the Z32's japanese contemporaries were also twin turbo (3000GT, RX-7, Supra)The most advanced of the early '90s model year Japanese cars was either the 3000GT VR-4 or the R32 GT-R. The former is also a classic example of space efficient design, being just as maligned as the Z32 for its crowded engine bay. Of the early '90s Jap sports cars the FD is probably the most advanced tech in the smallest space, it was way smaller and lighter than all of the other offerings and had everything you mentioned except rear wheel steering.
>>28789823This is actually not bad to work on. Just do the manifold/throttle body coolant line delete and doing anything on this is relatively simple. Its only hard if you're a wrenchlet that has never worked on a car before.
>>28789907How long does it take you to change your spark plugs or a valve cover gasket?
>>28786688
>>28786704>the dodge wheelwell battery placement is terrible dogshitEven worse if the inner fender liner gets ripped off. Instant exposure to corrosion. If they want to keep it out of the engine bay, stuffing it in the trunk somewhere is better.
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>>28790346Found the drilled and slotted ricelet
>>28789895you're an insufferable nerd sybau
>>28790432Speaking in niggerbabble is unbecoming. But then again, you are a nissan fanboy
>>28786861You could fit four adults and at least four children in these.
>>28787101Damn so these EVs are much smaller than any normal car?
>>28790793An EV that is designed from the ground up to be an EV and not just shoved into a car platform basically gets an entire class size up in terms of internal space vs external. A subcompact EV externally has the internal space of a small sedan, a medium sedan EV externally is internally the size of a large sedan, small SUV EVs are internally medium SUVs, etc etc. Electric motors take up enormously less volume than ICE engines do, so when you design around that you can expand the internal cabin to take up all that space saved.
>>28790795why are teslas so huge? or chinese EVs
>>28790816Simplehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDcsG3Ox_kg
>>28790822blacks hate EVs though
>>28790816Because they're trying to be big luxury SUVs. All I'm pointing out is that if you compare a designed from the ground up EV with an ICE car with the same external size the EV will have more internal space. It could still be a big boat, it'll just be smaller than other big boats.
>>28790795>An EV that is designed from the ground up to be an EV and not just shoved into a car platform basically gets an entire class size up in terms of internal space vs externalAre you retarded? A 2025 Model S has 64.6 cubic feet of cargo capacity, a 2025 Model X has 91.6 cubic feet, a 2025 Tahoe has 122.7 cubic feet
>>28790925Why the fuck would expect those two cars to have the same capacity? They aren't even remotely the same external size.
>>28790936>Why the fuck would expect those two cars to have the same capacity? They aren't even remotely the same external size.Have you tried reading a post in its entirety you mouth breathing phone posting retard? Because this is literally what the green text I quoted said. That magically because something is an EV and it doesnt have a huge ICE that more cargo volume magically appears and you get a free size class increase. Also your graphic is retarded as it doesn't factor in ground clearance, and is really only relevant if you're trying to figure out if you can fit in a parking garage or brush the snow off the top of your car if you're a woman or manlet
>>28790944I am the poster you quoted. You're somehow taking my statements to mean a medium sedan somehow has more cargo space than a large SUV. It doesn't work that way.What is a fact is that a properly designed EV will have substantially more internal space than an identically sized ICE car. Which you see when you actually make reasonable comparisons, not taking two cars on wildly different ends of the spectrum and acting like an actual mouthbreathing retard when they don't line up.
>>28786688In my car, the ECU is placed there.Two connectors are some 20-25 cm off the ground, exposed to elements.What could go wrong?
>>28790954>identically sized ICE carits as if you're retarded:>>28790795>basically gets an entire class size
>>28790961Your example has the ICE car 20% larger in external volume. That's not a class size larger, that's multiple sizes.And yes, that statement is true. A Blazer vs a Model X is within 3% external size -- the X is longer, but the Blazer is taller even after accounting for ride clearance. Meanwhile the Model X gets 82 cubic feet in cargo storage if the back seats are down, and the Blazer gets 64 cubic feet under the same circumstances. This is what I mean. The Model X is the size of a medium crossover, with the internal space of a large crossover. No shit a large SUV is going to be bigger than a medium crossover.
>>28790964>Your example has the ICE car 20% larger in external volumeAnd 33% larger in internal, once again proving that ICE is more efficient than EV. Stay btfo EVanon
>>28790969Not how that math works, but you know, have fun being a retard that doesn't understand simple concepts.
>>28790971>Not how that math worksit literally is retard, pic related
>>28790979If you make a car bigger, how much of that additional size goes to internal capacity compared to the engine bay? How do buses exist? Are you capable of rational thought?
>>28790986your entire argument is because EVs dont have engine bays their interior volume scales better, when clearly it doesnt in a Model X vs Tahoe. It becomes even more laughably lopsided when you compare a Model X to a Suburban:>>28790795>Electric motors take up enormously less volume than ICE engines do, so when you design around that you can expand the internal cabin to take up all that space saved.
>>28790988Got it, so you are not capable of rational thought. Thanks for confirming this.
>>28790989btfobusrider
>>28790993Blown out by what, your mom trying to earn money after hours?My point is that EVs can, and when properly designed do, use their space more efficiently than ICE cars. Your argument is that bigger cars exist. Okay? And? Your point?
>>28790996>tahoe is only 20% bigger>has 33% more cargo capacity>even with a fuckyuge v8>EVs are more efficent with capacitybtfobusrider
>>28790998When you make a car bigger, almost 100% of that additional size goes to internal capacity. You won't need much of a bigger engine bay to lug around a 20% bigger car. So by making the car larger, you get a better ratio of internal space to engine bay.This is why buses exist. They get a gigantic amount of internal space while their engine size is comparatively much smaller. I know you've got room temperature IQ and aren't capable of abstract thought, but if you really put your mind to it maybe you can figure it out.By the way, to be fair, the Model X is a pretty shit example of this. The Lucid Gravity is barely bigger than the Model X dimensionally, still about 18% smaller than the Tahoe, but the Gravity has 120 cubic feet of storage capacity with the rear seats down just like the Tahoe has.
>>28790368>this reduces braking surfaceFound the physicslet.
>>28790895how is a sedan a luxury suv?
>>28789813Durr
>>28787934Are you sure about that?Do you speak of the m30 engine or are you perhaps confusing it with the e30 car?Because all m30 engines have at least 2 seperate acessory V belts, 3 if you have air conditioning and all of these are adjusted by tilting the entire accessory via a ratchet bar and the way the acessories are mounted does not allow for a tensioning spring because tigthening the acessory mounting bolt prevents them from tilting.This is a european car and it has the ratchet bar tensioning system.
>>28790925>2025 Tahoe has 122.7 cubic feetTo be fair, if you buy a Tahoe or a Suburban, you're pretty close to buying a motorhome.
>>28786688Every+ and Every Landy were seven seaters with almost a kei form factor.
>>28786688Some people may not want to hear this, but, transverse leaf springs.Displaces significantly less weight and takes up significantly less space than coils, providing functions of multi-link geometries, sway bars, and return springs, all in one component.
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>>28790944nta, but a fairer comparison would be an x7, which is unibody like the mx and is a segment larger. the tahoe is also BoF and unlike the mx and x7, clearly designed with absolutely no regard towards aero efficiency/economy. i hope you'd agree with me that the x7 and th tahoe are not the same size class, even if it says so on the box...anyway, as you can see in picrel, despite being a segment smaller, the mx offers the same amount of max cargo space. there's a bunch of different measurements and they vary wildly, presumably because american/eu numbers differ in exactly what they take into account, but the max measurement is consistent enough and its basically the same.
>>28790944A Tahoe is a full size body-on-frame SUV, a Model X is a mid size crossover.
>>28790944samefag as >>28793860just to help make the point about mx vs x7 vs tahoe, another pic comparing the latter 2the tahoe is clearly a much larger car, despite both being categorized as "full size"
>>28787837grand cherokees put the battery under the right front seat for awhile. If the battery is dead you have to hook up a jump pack to the 12v points under the hood in order to run the power seat forward to access the battery
>>28793877Who even thought this was a "good" idea?
>>28794014Stellantis
>>28791011I accept your concession
>>28794144They got it from the Mercedes ML (which did it even worse, the first time the battery needs to be replaced you have to cut the fucking carpet open to get to it) when DaimlerChrysler were still merged, the ML did it 5 years before that body style Durango/Grand Cherokee came out
>>28795523Funny, I just did this on my R class. You actually have to remove the seat.
>>28795529Same for the Porsche Cayenne/Audi Q7/VW Touareg, except you also need a retarded triple square socket to remove the seat so you're SOL if you're stranded and you don't keep one in the car (if you even have specialty shit like that to begin with).
>>28793261>>28793259that looks very easy to service too
>>28786688>space efficientYeah but IDK is the battery is the right thing to stuff in there....
>>28795623Bullshit, batteries are heavy as fuck and should be close to the firewall, otherwise if you're gonna built a front heavy piece of shit economy car, it should be in the corner of the engine bay where you can reach the fucking thing.
>>28787101They actually do have MASSIVE cooling systems with plasti-shit pipes. I would love an ev likea rivian truck (I like to offroad, they are capable and have good range) but plstic asshole pipes are a fuckno
>>28789809why can't they at least make electric cuckboxes look cute like this? I guess I know (why) but still
>>28799450same reason that ICEs are blob shaped nowadays, because aero impacts efficiency.hopefully, we'll eventually reach the point where EVs have way more range and/or way faster charging times, and we can make them less aerodynamic without issue. we've made very good progress on that front in the last decade, but we need more. for now, only the gm cars with their fuckhuge 200kw packs can really ignore aero.
GMC motorhome looks like it would scale down nicely to van size.
