Track lap times are bullshit.You can just add horsepower to your car and put down crazy good lap times even if your car handles like crap.I went from a 400hp LS1 to a 650hp 427 LSAnd picked up 4 fucking seconds a lap.That's just from acceleration alone.
>>28787429Is this the new Liter bike thread?
I just change gravity in the settings so I have more grip
These two cars have similar horsepower, but the Yaris is awd so it should be accelerating faster. Camaro is on all seasons and has no lsd.Why did the Yaris lose? Extra shit handling?
>>28787433There's no replacement for displacement. Literchads rise up
>>28787437The Yaris and Corolla GR are not using full power.I've driven the rolla and it's for sure not giving you full beans all the time.I have not noticed any of the 4 banger 6th gens pulling power.>>28787433Bikes don't have shit handling.They have non existent handling.
>>28787433That's not your bike
>>28787429>I went from a 400hp LS1 to a 650hp 427 LS>And picked up 4 fucking seconds a lap.>That's just from acceleration alone.That's because you weren't even close to approaching the cars limits before.
>>28787467Shut up. Post literbikes
>>28787472That's not your bike either, impersonator. If it is, what's your third bike.
>>28787475Huh?
>>28787481I'm flattered that you want to be me, but it is uncanny to see my shit posted. Bread on bike (ik you cant/wont)
>>28787481>>28787472>>28787433This is the chickenstrip guy's bikes
>>28787487Huh?
>>28787487I didn't make the chicken strip memes but yeah those be my bikes lol, people don't like that they're street rides not track toys.
>>28787490Based bolt-upright rider.Welcome to the new literbike thread
Z1000
>>28787471The cornering speeds did not change.Corner exit speeds didn't change either.It's just straight line sections picking up huge time.I gained +22mph on the main straight alone.
>>28787495Memes aside I do lean and genuinely have fun, I just don't max my lean on public roads unless I'm coming in too hot or if I am rolling up on my favorite corner(s). Will I ever be the best? Nah, but I sure can hang and have fun! Spoiler as well, the rc and blade tires are mostly worn by the PO's so how much wear was done by me vs them is hard to say so I got no credit to claim nor defend. They're just fun machines and I enjoy every moment with all 3 of them.
>>28787465>Bikes don't have shit handlingAgreed, they have fantastic handling
>>28787516Coming in too hot is not a bad thing, you just don't want to be going too fast.If that makes you lean more then maybe you are not coming in hot enough
>>28787516>, I just don't max my lean on public roadsPoser.I had a rented Harley for the weekend and was grinding the running boards through casual turns through intersections.
>>28787532HYB
>>28787525They lose to a Camaro.
>>28787534Your mom loses her panties to Tyrone in a camaro, if you can catch my drift?
>>28787429>You can just add horsepower to your car and put down crazy good lap times even if your car handles like crap.youll die fuckhead
>>28787543Hes right though, thats why literbikes pwn
>>28787529The degree of lean I use corresponds to the conditions of the situation. I'm not rigid in the sense that >>28787532Every single bend requires dragging limbs. Im not riding these things like No-Lean-Gene lol, but I'm also not pretending I'm some high tier on the ladder Pro. Also for crusier anon, the degree of risk from maxing out the boards are very different than maxing out a crotch rocket.https://youtube.com/shorts/WFtSO_5eJMA?si=SRIwd3IShdm8jnoT
>>28787543sounds like a track issue
>>28787429
>>28787548European here, and we have roundabouts, as they are a better way of designing roads.Bikers are expected to have their knee down on every roundabout and freeway sliproad.If you weren't dragging knee here, people would think something was wrong
>>28787534How fast is a camaro around isle of man?
>>28787513My point is that you were still leaving lots of time on the table with the lower power car. Maybe not 4 full seconds, but I'd bet you could close that gap more than you think.
>>28787552
>>28787552Doubt it, but cool story bro
>>28787553What relevant 24 hour endurance races are held there?
>>28787557>>28787559Can confirm its true, that's why every single biker here has knee sliders on all the time.Not having your knee down at roundabouts gets you pulled over
>>28787564Good for them I guess? Surely you can pull up your eurolaw that explicitly says that.
>>28787561isle of man parish walk
>>28787565Sure, it was made by Gert Wilders, who can no longer ride a bicycle in public:HET EUROPEES PARLEMENT EN DE RAAD VAN DE EUROPESE UNIE,Gezien het Verdrag betreffende de werking van de Europese Unie,Gezien de noodzaak tot bevordering van uniforme rijstijl, esthetische motorbeheersing en collectieve bewondering langs de weg,Overwegende dat:motorrijders bij het nemen van bochten aantoonbaar cooler worden geacht indien de knie het asfalt nadert of raakt;rotondes en autosnelwegopritten bij uitstek geschikt zijn voor demonstraties van hellingshoek en persoonlijk zelfvertrouwen;een geharmoniseerde knie-aan-de-grond-praktijk bijdraagt aan de Europese eenwording;HEBBEN DE VOLGENDE VERORDENING VASTGESTELD:Artikel 1 – DefinitiesVoor de toepassing van deze verordening wordt verstaan onder:a) Motorrijder: iedere natuurlijke persoon die een tweewielig motorvoertuig bestuurt met een motorinhoud groter dan “net niet genoeg”;b) Knie aan de grond: de bewuste en zichtbare benadering of aanraking van het wegdek met de knie, al dan niet voorzien van een knieslider;c) Rotonde: iedere cirkelvormige verkeersconstructie die uitnodigt tot overschatting van eigen kunnen;d) Autosnelwegoprit: een gebogen infrastructuurelement waar men “even lekker kan insturen”.Artikel 2 – Algemene verplichtingAlle motorrijders worden geacht, bij het nemen van rotondes en autosnelwegopritten, minimaal één knie richting het wegdek te brengen.Deze verplichting geldt ongeacht:weersomstandigheden;verkeersdrukte;motorvermogen;daadwerkelijke rijvaardigheid.Artikel 3 – Technische vereistenMotorrijders dienen te beschikken over:goedgekeurde kniesliders, zichtbaar afgesleten;een houding die door omstanders als “vastberaden” kan worden omschreven.Het per ongeluk raken van de knie door gebrek aan balans wordt niet als naleving beschouwd.Pt1
>>28787570Too long didn't read
>>28787565>>28787570PT2Artikel 4 – UitzonderingenVrijstelling van deze verplichting wordt uitsluitend verleend aan:a) bestuurders van scooters met boodschappentassen;b) motorrijders ouder dan “die tijd”;c) personen die overtuigend kunnen aantonen dat hun motorfiets “dat echt niet kan”.Artikel 5 – Handhaving en sanctiesLidstaten zien toe op naleving door middel van:teleurgestelde blikken van verkeersagenten;hoofdschuddende mede-motorrijders.Bij niet-naleving kan worden opgelegd:een verplichte cursus “Durven Leunen voor Beginners”;tijdelijke ontzegging van het recht om hierover op internet te praten.Artikel 6 – InwerkingtredingDeze verordening treedt in werking op de dag waarop iemand zegt:“Ja maar ik kón wel met m’n knie, hoor.”Gedaan te Brussel,in een bocht,met lichte hellingshoek.
>>28787572>All motorcyclists shall be deemed expected, when negotiating roundabouts and motorway on-ramps, to move at least one knee toward the road surface.This obligation applies regardless of:weather conditions;traffic density;engine power;actual riding skill.
>>28787576what if youre riding slow
>>28787581I suggest watching a twist of the wrist, and trying the two-string method. It all becomes very clear.
>>28787570>it was made by Gert Wilders, who can no longer ride a bicycle in publicRieben, pay attention. Now this is the way to shitpost.
>>28787548>Also for crusier anonOnly reason I was on a Harley is because I worked at a dealer and took one of the rental bikes for a weekend.Ive only owned japanese sport bikes.I ground the running boards from just "normal" riding. Ive hit the pegs on my FZ750 many, many times on spirited rides.
>>28787595what if youre riding a big fat boy harley
>>28787597Kek
>>28787556Are you retarded? All the time gains were on the straights. nothing was gained in breaking zones, corner entry, mid corner, or corner exit.
>>28787657As you go faster, you lean more, meaning you are holding more speed around corners.This carves time off your laps, and every european is already doing this at roundabouts anyway.
>>28787660Are you pretending to be retarded?
>>28787661That's actually a second guy but he's super right.
>>28787661I see you are not familiar with reducing your track times. Its okay anon, everyone was a learner once
>>28787433Sure but 929cc is not a liter.>>28787472Neither is 996cc for that matter.>>28787503The big Z qualifies, hurrah!
>>28787657>>All the time gains were on the breaking zones, corner entry, mid corner, or corner exit. nothing was gained in the straights.
>>28787676Bikes over 900cc are literbikes
>>28787682ywnbalb
>>28787681Lol.No.>more HP made me faster when braking.Fucking retard.
>>28787684what
>>28787683I don't make the rules brah>Liters is 900cc up>Learners is under 900>125 is a moped/ doordash scooterSo it is, so it always was
>>28787685Hes saying if you are coming in a little too hot, you have to lean it over more, which actually might make you faster. Its different from coming in too fast, which might make you crash
>>28787676Z gang
>>28787676999cc*Ducs are 996.As the dude with that blade, it is NOT a liter bike. It's a reluctant liter bike in the words of David Moss.
>>28787682no
>>28787437Incredibly easy answer in two parts. NA vs Turbo. Any turbo car isn't actually putting down that much power unless you're within a narrow band. the Yaris is also not a true AWD like the old celica gt4 or a wrx, its an electronic diff that adjust power to the rear and its actually just a FWD car.
>>28787676>>28787683"liter" bikes aren't actually 1,000 cc.This was primarily due to racing regulations that had a hard displacement limit. If you won and a post-race inspection measured your displacement as 1,000.2cc you would be disqualified. These variances can easily happen from casting or porting of compression chambers. So they're wnough under the limit have a safety margin for.measurimg but not affect performance in any noticeable manner.Thus why "1,000" cc bikes are actually 998s."750s" are actually 748s"500s" are actually 499s.
>>28787703submitted by accident because I've been drinking, but to wrap up, the Yaris is only sometimes at that power and only if you are flooring it like an animal, and its only sometimes AWD and only when the computer thinks its not too much as it doesn't trust you with that and the rest of the time its just FWD.Unironically, under the vast majority of driving conditions, a fucking miata has a better powerband and a better drive configuration.
>>28787705Huh, I didnt know that but it does make a lot of sense. Very cool info anon, thank you for posting.
>>28787462Is that why 20 liter engines from the 1910s get smoked by 1 liter shitboxes?
>>28787726Well, to be fair tires have come a long way.
>>28787726Yes.Literbikechads just can't stop winning
>>28787705This.Hence anything above 900 is in the litre category.
>>28787437op is saying that his shit driving doesnt matter, because if he could only turn a 1:45 (lets be generous here), that he could just add hp until he got a 1:28, because he's a moron and cant handle anything remotely competitive
>>28787760Honestly a 1000 will beat a 600 though every time
>>28787764a 1000 might kill op
>>28787768He will be okay, if he comes in a little hot he can just lean more.
>>28787429>Track lap times are bullshit.every time I read /o/ I lose brain cells
>>28787705You didn't have to take my bait but good post, I usually thought of these numbers just as a result of laws as it is for cars. Though if you think about it, this criteria alone allows passing 125ccs into the same class if you really want to. So nah, fuck it, still calling false advertising here. Get a real liter!
>>28788116125's arent even 125cc though, they are smaller and lets be honest they are just mopeds anyway
>>28788144Had the same thought about 125ccs as well. But you know what I actually hate autistically? Vehicle models of current year being marketed as next year's ones, especially considering development has occured long ago in the past.
>>28788150Its true, everyone knows 125's are just mopeds, and thats why you dont need a test to ride one.The model thing is just marketing and its awful...
>>28787601Illegal in yurolandEngine is too big
>>28788210Not true, Europe is the home of the jap litre bike. They even invented Litres.
>>28788211Harley have engines bigger than 1 litre, which makes them illegal.
>>287882122.3 litre.Needs a turbo.
>>28788220This isn't classified as a bike in Europe, that's how they got away with the 2.3 litre engine. True story.
>>28788223Count the wheels. The tax man will.
>>28787534
>>28787561What's the point here? Riding is far more physically straining, they can't ride flat out for 6 hours straight unlike drivers in their nice comfy little cockpit.
>>28788227These are taxed by weight, and that's why they are classified as a car.Thinking about it, you should really post that in the Daily Car General /dgc/
>>28788314I would call bullshit on this but it is not beyond the French to make a law like that.
>>28788320I don't know, a lot of the European laws are for the greater good, like their law that bikers are expected to get their knee down at every roundabout and freeway onramp
>>28788322>bikers are expected to get their knee downI dont even understand what this means.
>>28788327Bikers who have the minimum proficiency will drap their knee along the ground when they go around corners.Its also part of the license test in pretty much every EU country, as its an essential part of riding.
>>28788347That was as i understood it but it makes no sense.What if im.doing.like 10 mph?
>>28787572Not like you would be able to anyway.
>>28788374Dragging your undercarriage counts.I remember the first time I dragged a footpeg on tarmac on a motocrosser. That must have been a fair way over.
>>28788374I really embarrassed myself after getting new rubber this summer. Tires felt super shiny and I was wobbling around roundabouts at 10mph trying not to get any lean.
>>28788397Never cheap out on tires.Get the stickiest shit you can find in your size. I even ran battlax hypersports on my baby ninja. Shit was so soft that when I came in off the freeway and it was warmed up it would leave a trail through the parking lot.Tires are the only thing keeping you alive. Fuck tread life- pay the toll and buy tires twice as otfen.
>>28788374It teaches you proper roundabout speeds. Its just not something you think about, if you do it every time you ride to the bakery for your croissants and baguettes, and your tobacconist for cigarettes, wine and cheese
>>28788347I would love to ride in Europe, get a ticket and challenge this law.
>>28788584Fook you i dont know why, but the pic made me laugh so much i nearly spat out my drink everywhere.Anyway, the learner thread will get your knee down in no time, and the new one is up.>>28788532
>>28787703Both cars are turbo so neither makes real power.This is all down to Superior American Handling
>>28788587Ive been riding for 35 years. Putting your knee out to shift your COG while doing 20mph on a roundabout to stay as verticle as possible is some faggot nanny state training wheel level shit.Teaching people to ride that way is not teaching people how to ride.
>>28788638>while doing 20mphHow does 60 sound for you?
>>28788644Do I need a special loicense or is an American passport good enough?
>>28788645Sticking to the other side of the road would be safer.
>>28788645>Do I need a special loicenseOnly if they pull you over, but if you drag knee everywhere they will leave you alone.
>>28788655If I ride like this am I good to go?
>>28788661Sure, but dont forget to push on the bars accordingly to steer.Its left a bit to wobble right, and vise versa
>>28788664I pull on the opposite side instead and theres nothing you can do to stop me.
>>28788715Its a push pull life out there anon.
>>28788661Where do you go to learn to do this? I have zero interest in motorcross, but I have a dual sport and I'd like to make mildly questionable life decisions around dirt berms.
>>28788734Europe
>>28788734The Daily Learner Bike Thread also>>28788532
>>28788740>>28788741I checked. There are only homosexicals in there.
>>28788747Nah they are straight, especially the one dressed as an anime girl
>>28788734I was raised in Southern California (Santee). I literally opened my garage door, rode 10 houses down the street and I was in the hills (at 14).There was a semi-professional track nestled in a valley from the 70's in the Cleveland National Forest (below the tree line where the national park was just scrub brush). I was a little lucky with that but I learned how to ride horses and dirtbikes at my Uncle's place in Nevada.The number of places in the American Southwest that you can ride covers more square miles than any european country.When I got a little older and friends and I started driving we could go out to Ocotillo and Glamis for the big stuff.Pic is the track.>1/3
>>28788777An additional flatland track my friends and I started next door in the 90s. Its gotten quite large.
>>28788777>I literally opened my garage doorAs opposed to what, figuratively opening it?
>>28788779I suppose "drove 10 houses down and was literally in the hills" would have been better placement for that word.Here's the location if anybody wants to see it on google earth.
>>28788782What about "I drove 10 houses down and was in the hills?"
>>28788783>I lived literally 10 houses away from the hills
>>28788777Welp, I am fucked. I live in Texas, and there is practically speaking zero public use land for motorized vehicles outside the extreme west. I'll likely need to put aside $100k in order to swing several acres here just to learn to ride anything more interesting than a hard pack county road.
>>28788783>>28788785Some (most) people live so deep in the concrete that is urban life that they cant imagine having a home in suburbia thats so close to wilderness.They think "10 houses away" is some type of exaggeration, thus the usage of the term "literally".
>>28788785We can rewrite this together anon :)>I lived 10 houses away from the hills
>>28788789People wont believe that it was literally 10 houses.>you mean it figuratively felt like only 10 houses because you were so excited to ride as a kid but it was actually 2 miles away, right?
>>28788794Why wouldn't they?If you were reading a book, that said "from my garage, the hills were ten houses away," why on earth would you think this is inaccurate?
>>28788374lock n lean brother
>>28788812Based european harley rider
>>28788797>Why wouldn't they?Because most people on this site live somewhere like pic related and have never seen livestock in a field or a dirt trail besides the 1/4 mile jogging path in the city park.If its not an alien concept to you then congrats, youre one of the lucky ones.
>>28788786
>>28788789The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
>>28788836I held my breath as i raised my garage door. The light hit me as i am exposed to the outside world. I brush the crumbs from my Alf t-shirt as i swing my leg over my trusty two stroke, ready to go and leave the basement for the first time this week. I cast my gaze to the end of my road, a mere ten houses away are the hills.
>>28788425I paid a lot for good tires, they just needed scrubbing in and still had their showroom mirror shine.
>>28788840Change Alf to Nirvana.Emphasize that the crumbs were from hot pockets.Nix the basement (basements are very rare in SoCal).
>>28788866I held my breath as i raised my garage door. The light hit me as i am exposed to the outside world. I brush the hot pocket crumbs from my Nirvana t-shirt as i swing my leg over my trusty two stroke, savouring the smell of mixed fuel. I cast my gaze to the end of my road, a mere ten houses away are the hills.
>>28788875Yep.That was literally me.
>>28788879Okay your up. Next paragraph...
>>28788881I could hear my buddy heading my way, having just left his own garage down the street. As he passed I filed in behind him for our short trip on asphalt, my rear tire oscillating from my amateur re-lacing. As we neared the Municipal Water District gate we were relieved to see it was open today, it was a much longer trip to the other water tower. We barrelled through to keep our momentum on that first steep hill. The loose soil was a challenge with my poverty tier rear tire.No giving me shit about my rear wheel.I was 14 and bought that KDX with my allowance.
>>28788860You were probably just overcautious with the tires (nothing wrong with that, scrubbing them in is always a good thing).Always get the best tires you can.Ive literally spent more for tires than the bike they went on was worth
>>28788425Stikkie
>>28787437>car with less horsepower and torque is slowertruly a mystery for the ages
>>287891823 horsepower is a enough to shit on your awd rally god that is already on better tires? That’s your explanation?Yikes
>>28789181>tires made out of cotton candy that stick to everything?Yes please.
>>28787770not at maximum attack lol
>>28789497You are talking about if he is too fast though, its different
>>28787551Let's see Paul Allen's C8 times.
This is the best liter thread
>>28787429>a lapThat shit is boring as fuck, should streetrace instead.
>>28790614t. Poor and untalented squid
Just paint the car and engine red to make it all go FASTA
>>28787429give me the 400hp ls1, and ill gap you in your 427, and then you can delete this thread
>>28787433kek600cc btw
>>28787429I mean that's kinda true - up the point you're traction limited.The real shit is having rubbers that can actually handle more significant changes in acceleration; whether that's turning, speeding, or stopping.Rally cars after the Group B era had less power, but became faster, because of better tyres and suspensions.And of course, power-to-weight ratio is the real difference maker.
>>28792905Bet you wish you had that bike huh
>>28793228>t. Scrub
>>28793230
>>28789503which he obviously will, because he is a moron
>>28793501I understand hes coming in a little hot, bot not too fast
>>28787703>>28787706the camaro is a 2.0 turbo
