Everybody talks about how reliable the B58 is, but is buying a used M340i still going to destroy my finances because of BMW quirks compared to a TLX Type S or a Genesis G70? I've only ever owned shitty American and Japanese commuter cars. I used to be a motorcycle guy, but I gave it up because I value my life more now.
>>28789715If you have CPO warranty just keep up with maintenance and they'll cover it if it starts spraying fluids
Just realized I posted a 330i, please don't kill me
>>28789715>TLX Type S or a Genesis G70I'd trust a B48 or B58-powered BMW to be more reliable than both of those, the TLX comes close but I wouldn't even mention it in the same sentence since it doesn't even have the engine facing the right way on a FWD-based chassis. Just expect the 'soft touch' materials in the interior of the BMW not to hold up as well.
>>28789715Just buy one new.If you can't afford to do that, you can't afford to buy one old.
>>28789741Such a dumb, endlessly repeated boomer-brained talking point. Rope ASAP.
Soulless slop. Get something that’s actually fun to drive. Mechanical and raw.
>>28789761I can't compare it to many cars, but "mechanical and raw" doesn't count for everything at least in motorcycles. My 250cc Suzuki Volty was "mechanical and raw," and it was also boring as fuck after two weeks. Shifting that much got old. Race bikes with quickshifters are more polished, and they're also more fun. Touring bikes with cruise control are more fun. Sometimes you just want a fast, high-tech machine.
>>28789742Such a dumb, zoomer comment.There is nothing more expensive than a cheapass used german car.
>>28789776go drive an M4 competition or something and a Miata. The M4 is fucking boring. Accelerating is so fast and meaningless it’s a nightmare
>>28789778>opinion never changes with new infosorry you're a midwit?
>>28789715The short answer is yes - it will absolutely destroy your finances, if for no other reason that:1. Parts and labor are way more expensive.2. Everything is over-engineered as shit.3. If a pretend-M is on sale, there is something seriously wrong with it.It will absolutely cost you as much as a new BMW in time or money. The whole "if you can't buy it new, you can't buy it" is absolutely true until you go to 20 year old Ms that are under 10k. At which point you trade wrench time and smelly interior for reasonable cost.
>>28789715I've owned one for years. I've only had to do oil changes in that time, along with typical other shit like washes, coolant, etc.
>>28789808Yeah I actually own one. Oil changes for 3 years: $230.Poorfags making weird-ass cope posts because they can't afford cars is some of the saddest shit on /o/.
>>28789785The miata is fucking boringAccelerating is so slow and meaningless it's a nightmare
>>28789818Did you get it new? Fully different story from used and/or you got lucky.I own a car that costs more than that new, but it's not a fucking BMW. Would need to make 3x to do that.
>>28789808I've own my used 2019 G20 for 2 years now and have done nothing but regular maintenance. Keep repeating whatever nugget of info you picked up 20 years ago though.
>>28789829Yea, it's just me, it's not literally everyone.
>>28789830You're not alone in your ignorance, guess you can take comfort in that? 5 or 10 minute of research will show recent BMWs are plenty reliable (maybe not the TTV8s).
>>28789832BMWs are unreliable, over-engineered, have no engine bay space, have expensive parts, and service is unbearably expensive if you don't want to it yourself. Consumables are expensive too. To say otherwise is delusional.That's not to say that the M2 isn't a decent car, if the BMW Supra didn't exist.
>>28789836Delusional
>>28789838You aren't helping by posting the BMW-golden-era rustbucket. Yes, those cars were good. That was over 20 years ago.I already mentioned the ancient rustbuckets are fine here >>28789808
>>28789847Werks in my machinas *shrug nigmoji*
Used=abused. There's a reason why every pre owned BMW has just about 60k miles/100k km because there leased machines and/or the owners neglects maintenance untill just getting a new one. As enticing as it is to buys someone elses project with full bolt ons and a enough power to btfo 90% of traffic, the candle that burns twice as bright last half as long. my retard brother is finding out the hard way with a locked ecu and discovering a lack of LSD that was only a dealer option
>>28789857And there's a reason why all the pre-owned weeblet ricelet stancelet slowfaglet bullshits only have like 30k miles; they're fucking BORING
What's the point of even buying a car that's 5% more fun to drive in traffic for 100% more annual costs?
>>28789916You have youe numbers reversed
>>28789741this.
>>28789804>Facts remain the same, you just can't accept themMany such cases, but you know what they say:A fool and his money are easily parted.
>>28789922Wrenchlet nigger jeet go drive your gayaris.
>>28789720>>28789715Hey, I remember you from your last thread.Just get the M340i, you will not regret it.Enjoy your new power house, bro
>>28789826delusional. you’re rarely flooring a 500+ hp car because it’s simply too fast.Slow car fast is boooring
>Slow car fast is boooringoh, you're just a bench racer and probably a bus rider too.nevermind.
Imagine buying anything from the modern day, fully knowing the kind of engineering (or more aptly put: lack thereof) that goes into them, AND the total lack of maintenance from the utterly mechanically illiterate masses. To say nothing of purchasing one from a melanated individual, as is commonly the case.
Fast car slow is what I meant to type. Fat loser above
>i-it was just a t-typo!!!lollmao
>>28790190Can't remember the last time I made a thread, but I know I'm a broken record. I basically have no free time these days, and when I do get it my mind goes straight to my car.I think I'm just gonna buy a 2018 340i. There's one within driving distance that's been well maintained and I'd sleep better at night knowing I'm not bankrupting myself. The added cost of maintaining, fueling and insuring a premium car will be plenty already.
>2018 340iThe least you could have done is gotten a new one under warranty to avoid the Arabic farts infused into the seats and the impeding explosion of the plastic engine. Wrenchlets will never learn.
>>28790207Whoa, it's you again! I guess I shouldn't be surprised, you're in every BMW thread. You never answered my question Anon, let's get down to brass tacks: do you think BMW engines are literally made of plastic? Please do not Google it before answering.
>>28790206This wasn't you?https://archive.4plebs.org/o/thread/28656276/
>>28790211I don’t know who you are, or who you think I am, but BMW engines being made of plastic is something known by everyone, especially its manufacturer. There’s no mass conspiracy here to denigrate your choice of chariot which you have most obviously chosen to attract the local harlot. If you want to keep denying the realities of 20 years of BMW engineering decisions, that’s on you and your wallet.
>>28790212I'll be damned, it even has the same guy calling the engine plastic.>>28790215Anon, you can't be helped
>>28790216>I'll be damned, it even has the same guy calling the engine plastic.That's just one schizo who still lives in the early 2000's and thinks all BMWs = money pit.Ignore him.The modern B48 and B58 engines are extremely durable and can take the beatings of an old biker like you.
>>28789715They’re fine. Even a 335i or equal is fine. Oh no the water pump…$600 who cares you’d spend as much at a Toyota dealer these days because normies don’t realize Toyota started ripping them off a decade ago. But yeah B58 and ZF8 are about as good of a combo as exists in the current decade. They’re not as fun as an old M though. Which is what I would buy
>The modern B48 and B58 engines are extremely durable
You’ll get raped by my 911, brown son. Remember that. Say hi to all your habibis back home for me
>>28790258anon these cucks are used to N63s anything is ‘durable’ in comparison kek
>>28790258>>28790271>>28790277>if I seethe and cope enough maybe people won't mog meYou WILL be mogged.You WILL accept your fate.
>>28790293What’s this Brown Dog yappin’ about?
>>28790303I have... more money than you do.
>>28790193Spoken like a true slowfaglet boyracelet
>>28790271You don't have a 911 THOUGH
>>28790271brown on brown crime
>>28789715The beemer and the TLX would both be 'reliable' if you don't tune them, Genesis will wreck your ass on depreciation alone. The BMW is necessarily going to develop oil leaks, as is tradition. To me, an oil leak is a hit against 'reliability', but to each their own. The b-mer is faster but the TLX is better in the snow
>>28789715>reliableyou're asking the wrong questionreliable just means "it won't fail in an unexpected/unscheduled manner", and that shit is a pretty low baryes, the b58 is reliable. its been around long enough that its faults are either fixed or known quantities that can be predicted and maintained againstwhat you should be asking is whether the b58 is *maintainable*ie, is it realistically feasible to keep this engine (and the car around it, don't forget about that) running long termand the answer to that is an emphatic NO.there are no modern engines (and cars) that are maintainable. "modern" in this instance means post-2015 at most, realistically post-2010 or even sooner. varies by brand and model.the problem is that all modern cars are>direct injected>turbocharged>dohc>vvt>millions of sensors everywhere>hybrid>DRMed to the guills>space optimized to the guills, so you need to take half the engine apart to replace a faulty oil sensoror some convex combination of the abovethe b58 is all those things, except for hybridoh, and again, don't forget about the rest of the car around the engine, where you have things like>integrated head units >complex/expensive safety shit (lots of it)>electronic trunks/doors>headlights that need to be replaced wholesale, instead of just a bulbwhat all this means is that maintaining them long term is incredibly expensive, and very quickly becomes more costly than the car is actually worth and/or you can afford. so, even if you technically *can* keep the car on the road, parts are available etc, you won't be able to, either because the parts are too costly, or the labor is, or you straight up can't find someone that understands the fucking thing well enough to figure out what's wrong or knows how to fix it. and even if you're willing to dealer maintain it, you're still out of luck, because guess what, the dealer wants you to buy a new one, so they'll give you insane quotes to push you there
tl;drget the M340i
>>28790824>look mom I wrote a bunch of stupid niggerlicious nonsense!"modern cars... have DOHC!!!"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overhead_camshaft_enginehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Twin_Cam_engine>The Fiat Twin Cam (also known as the Lampredi Twin Cam) is an advanced double overhead camshaft inline-four automobile engine produced from 1966 "1966 technology... WATCH OUT!!!"Let's see what else is fucking niggertastic about your post (it's everything)>direct injected\https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_direct_injection>Although direct injection has only become commonly used in gasoline engines since 2000, diesel engines have used fuel directly injected into the combustion chamber (or a pre-combustion chamber) since the first successful prototype in 1894. Wow technology from over 100 years ago... very modern! WATCH OUT!!!!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_valve_timing>The first use of variable valve timing was on the 1903 Cadillac Runabout and Tonneau created by Alanson Partridge Brush Patent 767,794 “INLET VALVE GEAR FOR INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES” filed August 3, 1903, and granted August 16, 1904100 YEARS OLD TECH.... VERY SPOOKY ARE YOU SCARED YET BROS?And every other thing you said is equally niggerlicious nonsense.You're a fucking poorfag who can't afford a real car and can't even afford a book to understand what the fuck is in them. Jealous cunts like you are the worst part of this board. You literally wrote about 2000 characters of straight-up "i'm a jealous faggot bitch" crap. And none of it's even useful knowledge! Fuck you and fuck off.
>>28790934>direct injectionguarantees carbon buildup in the intake ports and valves, which will necessitate cleaning eventuallynote that this is guaranteed. its not an if, its a when>but, dieselsit happens to diesels too, but diesels suffer less from it so you can ignore it (well, for longer). the carbon buildup prevents/lessens airflow into the combustion chamber. in a diesel, it only reduces power. in a gas engine, it also reduces power but eventually it also leads to misfires and knock, grenading your enginethe difference is due to how the fuel is combusted. diesels inject the fuel at the top of the stroke and rely on high temp/pressure to ignite it. gas engines inject the fuel much earlier, rely on the airflow inside the chamber to properly spread it around, then ignite using a spark plug. if the airflow in the chamber is insufficient, the mixing is insufficient, which can lead to misfires or knock, the latter being able to kill your engine>dohcmeans you have a more complicated timing chain setup, which means its harder and more expensive to do>vvtmakes the timing system even more complicated and expensive to maintaininstead of 1 chain which will realistically never need replacing ('murican pushrod),or 2 timing chains will realistically will only need redoing when the guides start failing (old dohc sans vvt),you now have 2 timing chains plus a pretty complex system for each cam which also needs to be periodically replacedkindly refer to picrel for a visual demonstration of the difference>trying to ragebait a quality effortpostmeans you're brown>being brownmeans you own a modern bmw (3rd hand, poorly maintained, uninsured, running rough, illegal tint, turn signals never been used tho)
>>28790978>eboniclet copeWe get it, you can't afford a 25 year old BMW. Cars that random moms and zoomies drive are just TOO HARDCORE for the lil ricelet slowfaglet boyracelets on here, huh?
>>28790978>DIAll you need to do is use intake valve cleaner every couple of oil changes, it's not rocket science. If the engine isn't dogshit (example kia/hyundai) the buildup is minimal and the cleaner works well>DOHC/Timing chainsI agree there, DOHC should only be used on in-line engines where the geometry is simple, v-configuration DOHC engines are always a shitshow for timing unless it's a geared system, which surprise surprise is not common.>VVTVVT doesn't actually add complexity the way you think it does, it's standard practice to replace the VVT gear at the same time as you replace timing chain guides/tensioner and the trade-off is worth it. Again only for in-line engines where there is one or max two VVT gears
>>28790991Anon it’s best you get back to dropping your engine to access to firewall-facing timing chain you’ve been ignoring the sounds of death from instead of posting here.
>>28790991>argumentsmogged>ragebaitingintensified>car choices of women and zoom zoomsdefended>difference between can afford to buy vs can afford to keep on the roadstill not fathomed>brownnessconfirmedalso, habibi, the e30 you posted (released well before the ~2010 cutoff i advised) has the s14 powerplant, which is>naturally aspirated>port fuel injected>no vvt>no hybrid>easy to work onit does have dohc, but in a high revving engine placed in an expensive performance car (for the time, ofc), its acceptable ofc, the dohc timing is known to be one of its main failure points, since the timing chain tensioners can fail eventually and put the engine out of time.
>>28790997>All you need to do is use intake valve cleaner every couple of oil changes, it's not rocket sciencethat actually doesn't work. depending on the particulars, i can delay the problem, but not forever. eventually, you will need to take the intake mnfd off and do it proper with walnut blastingalso, when buying a used car, you never know if anything of the sort has been done, and you're basically at the mercy of being able to properly diagnose the engine codes when they show up>VVT doesn't actually add complexity the way you think it does, it's standard practice to replace the VVT gearhow much of a problem vvt is depends on the particular system, but its always a problem. the complexity and cost of the parts varies by brand and model. and ofc once they go nla, you're almost always SOL.but yes, doing it to a toyota or honda i4 is a damn sight less problematic and expensive than a bmw (or god forbid, some exotic italian) v8.
>>28790978It's not direct injection that causes carbon build-up, it's the EGR that lets exhaust back into the intake which mixes with the oil vapours from the PCV system. Diesels are actually worse for this because their exhausts are more sooty. The fix is simply EGR delete.Anon, I think we can all appreciate a good effortpost but you're trying too hard to sound knowledgeable. Almost everyone here knows enough about a car to be able to disagree or find exceptions to the things you're saying. I can tell you're not an expert and you probably don't have much if any hands-on experience with a wrench. You've learnt a bunch of theory and that's great, but you're no grease monkey buddy and these solvent huffers can smell it on you.
>>28791001You don't know what you're talking about, do you?>>28791008I'm not reading all this hilarious drivel What the FUCK is an s14-powerplant?!
>>28791016>Diesels are actually worse for this because their exhausts are more sooty.yes, but they won't blow up from it. gasoline engines will>The fix is simply EGR delete.this assumes a jurisdiction in which egr deletes will not cause you to fail inspectionaka parts of the US (srsly, do not try that shit in western europe, TUV does not fuck around)aka places where port injection cars are still legal to drive everywhere which is a far better fix for the problem>not a greasemonkeyguilty, im not a mechanic by trade, but i do do my own wrenching (up to the point where a lift becomes necessary, because i don't have one). also, this entire conversation is predicated on the assumption that the OP is also not a greasemonkey and will need to pay others to maintain his shit for himobviously, if you are a professional mechanic and have the shop/tools/lifts/knowledge to work around all those issues, you are better placed to maintain a modern car long term
hey OP, I suggest you go ask somewhere else and get some REAL advice.
OP here, I drove a long way to a BMW dealership to check out a 340i, and despite making an appointment, it wasn't ready to drive because it needed a new radiator. The sales manager offered to ship it to me for free after that. I should take advantage of that, right? Just have a car I'm considering buying right in my driveway without a salesman breathing down my neck? Maybe get an inspection at a local Euro shop? Would I be responsible for shipping it back if I don't want it? They're already wary of pissing me off after me blowing a day to see a car that wasn't even drivable. I didn't grow up with money, I don't know how these things work.
>>28794077You don't live close to the dealer so it's pointless. Don't waste your time
>>28794077Yeah that's all part of BMW service. They'll let you take the car home too for a day or whatever if your credit score isn't dogshit. You're a customer, not a paypig. (for some people this is confusing and shocking to be treated like a human and not a piggybank) My advice would be to simply tell them what your address is and see what they say. Drive the car around. If you like it, then buy it. Simple as. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qY1c1G2ORY>>28794080>poorfag advice
>>28794077Definitely not worth it. They're trying to get you to sign for a broken car. They're betting that once it's sitting in your driveway you've signed for the car and you'll just accept any issues it has because it's more of a hassle/expensive to get the car back to them. Most likely if you do ask them to take the car back they're going to give you a hard time and ask if you want to trade it in for something else.If it "only needs a radiator" that's weird. How long has it been leaking coolant and why haven't they fixed it yet? Did they buy a car that has a busted radiator or did someone overheat it? Is all the plastic in the cooling system already brittle? Does it need a water pump too? Etc, etc.
>>28794080What difference does it make? There's a BMW dealership basically in my backyard, the one I went to just had a well-maintained 340i. They're hard to come by.>>28794087I most certainly am not used to not being taken to the cleaners when buying a car. I was stationed in Japan at one point and was blown away when the price on the sticker was actually the out-the-door price when I bought my Triumph.>>28794097Maybe there's something going on here that I'm not understanding, but it seems to me like they're just trying to avoid getting a shitty review.
>>28794110I own a BMW (I'll post key if you REALLY REALLY want me to) and that's just how it is. If you're a serious buyer they treat you well and this helps to sell the car. The sticker price is typically also the price you will be paying.
>>28794110It's your choice anon. If you think it's worth it I'm sure you'll be happy with it.
>/o/ gaslighting a newfag into buying a money pitnever change
>>28794113post iti dare youbet it's some run down e46 316i
>>28796231I drive ///M
>>28790207dozens of dealership monkeys have already farted in your brand new BMW whether you like it or not
>>28794113>The sticker price is typically also the price you will be paying.Wow, what incredible treatment. I bet they told you that you were getting a deal too.
>>28796231It's a 20 year old shitbox but it's life cycle impulse so it's better kek
true when Toyota does it
>>28789715M340i > TLX Type S >>>>>> Gookshit
do not buy chinesium plastic enginesgo for the TLX
>>28789778A new one is more expensive
