>>28793021
You have my deepest condolences over the loss of your penis.

>>28793021
I'm sorry

>>28793023
>>28793024
whats wrong bros? havent been here in awhile. surely you still dont think electric is just gonna go away eventually?

Another fool has been parted with their money

guys... software issues is a real argument. "lol electric" is not

>>28793027
I never thought it was going to just go away. That doesn't mean I have to like it or think it's a good thing. You're still a retarded /n/igger.

>>28793037
That's what you think, /n/igger.

>>28793040
>>28793041
dont have to likem, but ideally youd have arguments that arent adhom. and what do you mean thats what i think? ive already been driving evs only for 7 years. theyre quicker, cheaper, easier to maintain... only people that shouldnt own one are people that either tow or do freeway miles all day. although im sure theres some other specific cases they suck at im not thinking of, but those are the most obvious

>>28793048
I don't give any weight to the opinions of a /n/igger that's never even done their own oil change before. I will not drive the soulless electric transport pod.

>>28793066
hey man, i like nice exhaust notes too. but not having one doesnt make it soulless lol. who wants to wait for turbos to spin up or gears to change? change oil lol

>>28793027
Do you think you can afford the data centers' electricity? Those are their kilowatts now.

>>28793079
No combustion, no soul. The flame is the soul's breath. That's why the only good EV is the one that's consumed in an unquenchable lithium fire.

>>28793084
now that the pendulum is swinging a bit back to the right, we should be able to sneak in a few nuclear reactors before it swings back. not worried about this future. at the very least, itll never be more expensive than gas per mile

>>28793085
i do have an RS Q8 in the garage with my plaid x. the x is way more fun though

>>28793090
>the x is way more fun though
For a /n/igger, maybe.

>>28793037
I don't care what you think is and isn't an argument bitch

>>28793093
but how much time have you actually spent driving an ev?

>>28793094
well at least tell me what you think of it bro...

>>28793099
I will not drive the soulless electric transport pod, /n/igger. Just the fact that you list changing not gears as a positive tells me everything I need to know about you as a driver.

Pigfat shuttle.
0 fun

>>28793102
i drove a manual 2ss camaro for years, was cool for awhile but then just got annoying. but the nimbleness of instant torque is far more applicable to suburban driving

>>28793109
And that's the only thing you care about, since you're a soulless /n/igger.

>>28793021
Have they fixed the software yet, or are you still paying money to be an early alpha tester? With the state the Gravity was in when it went out for reviews it was so bad that you should be getting paid to drive the car, not the other way around. It got absolutely shit on, and deservedly, for its incredibly buggy software.

Aside from that, it does seem like an actually good car, especially if you get the handling package with the rear steer.

You did lease this, right? You didn't go full retard and buy a luxury EV, right?

>>28793114
no... i also care that its cheaper, easier... lots of things. youre the one that only cares about the idea that it has "no soul," which is predicated on individual preferences of having exhaust sound and wanting to shift a transmission

>>28793117
mostly fixed, but some issues still persist. got it fully optioned (sans the tow package). but yeah, i leased it

>>28793120
Let me spell it out for you, /n/igger:
You see your car as a means to an end. It exists only to get you from point A to point B. If you could do it without the car, it wouldn't bother you in the least. To the type of people that frequent this board, the car IS the point. The journey and the experience are just as, if not more, important than the destination. The connection between man and machine that's been obsessively removed from your soulless electric transport pods is the exact reason why I will not drive one. This is the reason your kind belongs on /n/, not on /o/.

>>28793027
No I think electric is here to stay since most people see cars as an a-b appliance. That's whatever, but you're on a car forum. People don't want to have discussions about boring ass appliances

>>28793282
I'm getting a new refrigerator tomorrow. You jealous?

>>28793286
No?

>>28793289
Exactly

Just checkin' if OP got his car

>>28795435
Surely this wasn't a bait thread someone made just to stealth advertise a brand, right? Surely they'll post actual pictures of the car and their impressions of it, right?

>>28793282
It's not going to "go away", but it's never going to totally dominate hybrids or ICE like californians or european politicians wish for.

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>>28795438
The EU might get their wish if they keep the path going with their legislation, but it'll come at the expense of their entire car industry. They will solely drive Chinese cars if they keep things up the way they are now, non-Chinese companies just cannot produce batteries cheap enough to compete with Chinese companies in producing EVs.

>>28795438
> it's never going to totally dominate hybrids or ICE
it absolutely will

>like californians or european politicians wish for
they don't actually.
all the whinging about muh envirumentz was/is a complete lie, merely a convenient excuse to tax the shit out of their citizens
if they did actually care, they'd have have taken the obvious steps to facilitate greater EV adoption (mandating outlets in apartment building garages, mandating an common API for all charging stations and their apps, outlawing excessive charger pricing, etc etc)

>inb4 but w8, if the politicians don't want it, how will EVs dominate
we're still in the early stages of the tech, lots of gains from economies of scale and technology advances left to go, and lots of infra still needs to be built
evs are already close to being similar price to equivalent ICEs, and will soon become cheaper
they're also faster and more reliable
and more and more chargers are being installed all the time
i mean, road trips are already pretty much solved in the western world, but there's still tons of grocery stores that don't have chargers, tons of offices, tons of hotels, etc.

right now, evs are really only preferred for their daily convenience by people who can charge at home and are prepared to pay a little extra for the privilege (also teslas specifically for their amazing tech, but i digress)
but 10 or 20 years from now, they'll be much cheaper, much longer range, much faster to charge, and everyone will be switching over to them

>>28795441
>The EU might get their wish
disagree with that, see >>28795445

>but it'll come at the expense of their entire car industry
that's mostly correct. germany is fucked.
i doubt the euro car industry will actually die, but certainly they'll have to contend with much more competition and accept much lower profit margins
the era where only euros were able to make the best engines (except for reliability, lol) on the planet is over, as is the era where only euros were making the best interiors

>They will solely drive Chinese cars
>non-Chinese companies just cannot produce batteries cheap enough to compete with Chinese companies
i doubt this very much too
batteries (and the rest of the car for that matter) aren't some artisanal good that is handmade, they're made by machines. labor costs don't factor into the equation too much
if the chinks are able to make them significantly cheaper, its because of straight up subsidies, or because they're willing to be more lax on controlling the resultant pollution.
either way, it gives euros and americans political leverage to tariff them and keep their cars out. the americans have done this already, but euros are somewhat hesitant because german mfgs still sell cars in china, and don't want to be cut out in punishment for chink cars getting banned/tariffed out of europe

>>28795451
It's not labor, it's supply chain. China owns the entire supply chain for basically everything that goes into batteries. They can make batteries at nearly half the cost as any other country in the world. Nobody can compete with them. And batteries are far and away the most important and most expensive part of an EV.

The only way any continent can protect itself from Chinese EVs is to ban them. If they don't, then they're going to lose their car industry to China.

We're literally going to see the US pivot to being pro-ICE as a way of industry protectionism. China isn't good at making ICE cars, at least not yet. And the EU may join this trend, if they decide to try and save their auto industry instead of throwing it to the wolves.

>>28795458
>It's not labor, it's supply chain. China owns the entire supply chain for basically everything that goes into batteries
nah, its not so problematic as all that
lithium is fairly ubiquitous, and most of the other metals too
the few actually rare stuff aren't that rare neither, china has a majority in their production only because the last few decades of muh envirumentz whinging has stopped mining in the western world dead in its tracks
if we have to mine that stuff locally, we can. but we won't, because chinks know that, and will happily continue to sell theirs rather than risk seeing western production start in earnest and lose a market. the most they can do is threaten restrictions, but even that can only happen sparingly lest local production restarts

>And batteries are far and away the most important and most expensive part of an EV.
well, maybe if you count the entire pack as a single component
but its not as lopsided as you make it sound like
right now, you can get a replacement battery for a model 3 for like 10k or so. and that's a 40k car. and that 10k price is what you can get as a consumer, the mfg can get it for way less
realistically, the battery is like 10-15% of the cost of the car, and that number goes down as we go up in segments, and it will go down with time too

>The only way any continent can protect itself from Chinese EVs is to ban them. If they don't, then they're going to lose their car industry
i think the opposite is going to happen. i think EVs will deconcentrate vehicle production, making it easier for every country to have their own car industry. battery production will likely remain concentrated in a few industrial powerhouses that can benefit from economies of scale, but as discussed above, realistically, everyone can set it up if they really want to/need to. which they won't, because they fact that they can means they won't have to, as those who have batteries will prefer to continue to sell them rather than lose markets

>>28795475
Sure, you disagree with literally every expert in the entire industry. You're right, and everybody else is wrong. China does not actually have an advantage producing batteries and can't make them for less than half price of any other country.

This is why people hate talking to you. You show up in literally every thread discussing EVs and just straight make shit up.

>>28795478
NTA but I don't trust "experts" anymore after the current AI craze, even despite that being an unrelated issue. I agree with your china battery thing, but
>>28795445
>it absolutely will
I don't trust any expert that says this. Even if they have all of the graphs and data in the world to back up their answer, all it takes is some unexpected event to throw everything off. Something as simple as another wildcard US president like Trump getting elected and starting some strange trend that makes other manufacturers across the world adapt.

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libshits want every inch of the planet to look like this so they can 'save the environment' driving their ev butt plugs.

>>28795517
Solar farms are so fucking ugly. Every country should mandate them being hidden behind a forest or a building where nobody can see them from the road. I'm not against their existence, but holy shit it's as ugly as having a rusty junkyard with stacks of beaters.

>>28795517

Man, I wish I could agree-- they're about saving the environment and all that jazz, this is unfortunately a product of... all of us. The demand for fuel is so high, we're laying out black sheets on top of green vegetation to capture any energy possible. Put this is an unregulated environment and this is what you get -- at least they're doing something, what have you done today anon?

>>28793037
This. Lucid are great cars with terrible software.