If you were to ask me 6 years ago on what I think of your car, and its autotragic or had no other option but autotragic, I'd call both you and the manufacturer gay. Now in present day, I genuinely do not care, especially if its a GOOD auto. I still have preference over a good shift stick cus I'm autistic, and its the only thing I prefer to daily, traffic or not. But you give me a good sports sedan, like the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quad, and I'd daily the absolute ever living shit out of it. I'd would even argue that a 6 speed would ruin it.
I've owned at least ten cars in my life time and all but one have been manual. Probably because my first car was manual so I just stuck to what I know best. I didn't like driving that one auto car that I owned for about a year. I use engine braking a lot so I like to be able to drop down a gear or three when I'm slowing for a red light, which is something I couldn't do with the auto. If I had a car with semi-auto paddle shifters I might adapt to it but until that happens it's only manuals for me.
>>28793346>24>get handed the keys to the company van because the old m8s can't be fucked>have to reverse parallel park on a steep, narrow side street that has as much traffic as the main roads>in a vehicle that's longer than the parks>and has the visibly of a coffin>that also has the cheapest parts bin transmission, completely wallerd outI still like manuals. But only if someone's whole job was to make it fun and easy for me to use.
>>287933463-4 speed autos are comfyWhen they started making autos rough and crisp and infinity speeds they lost the plot, damn things just never do what you want them to anymore
>>28793346i was always smart enough to understand that most cars are better off as autos (assuming no significant loss in efficiency/reliability, ofc), and only sports cars in particular need to be manuals (sports cars, not race cars. the latter just need to be as fast as possible, which nowadays means auto)this isn't rocket science
>>28793346>automaticGood luck with the sale
>>28793584MT sells slower than AT and that's a fact
Automatic just feels so fucking weird to me and i hate how hard it brakes when you let go of gas.Plus, automatic has always been for women
>>28793590>i hate how hard it brakes when you let go of gasis this a new auto thing? i've only ever experienced toyota autos and they don't engine brake as much as manuals
>>28793587...that's what you base your car purchases off of lmao fucking wrenchlet faggot, nu-male
>>28793580>most cars are better off as autosnu-male, cuck mentality, wrenchlet, low-t
>>28793601ur mom gayur dad lesbianur granny's a trannyur entire family tree's lgbtand also you're brown and like penises
>>28793346>be me>literally own an alfa romeo giulia (unlike fag op)>also owned and daily driven manuals for a decade>manual is still a million times better; more fun, better response, better downshifts, lighter, more durable (doesn't overheat after 1 track lap), cheaper, cheaper to rebuild, theft deterrant, zoomer repellant, etc. etc.
>>28793625oh shit, its the fd wrenchlet! good to see you back
around 35
>>28793600Post another toolbox pic you stole from craigslist LAWL
>>28793661teh fuck kind of wrenchlet ricer weed are you smoking?
>>28793600>Good luck with sale>States a fact>Reeeee you're a nu malePoorfag cope is hilarious
>>28793346Never cared about what other people drove or judged them for their choices. Everyone's got own circumstances. But when it comes to tastes, if anything, I got more exclusive with what I wanna drive. 90% of manuals are absolute shit and not enjoyable to drive and I know why people ditched them in favor of automatics.
>>28793686>>28793679>automatic goodgo ahead and say that plastic engines are good too lol, or wait waht do you say, ITS NOT PLASTIC ITS COMPOSITES OKAY fucking lmao, ricer, wrenchlet
>>28793703>reading comprehensionNever said automatics were good, just that shit manuals aren't better than automatics. If I drive a car, it better be a tight notchy stick, not the slushy never rebuilt string operated ones you see in the majority of manuals.
>>28793710You're okay little wrenchlet
>>28793664Playing dumb now and acting like that never happened? Fucking pathetic.
>>28793759sorry your boogey man left you shook and rattled, just remember it would be the coldest day in hell you ever see a real mans box, ricer, wrenchlet
>>28793713You have never turned a wrench in your life. Post any proof of car maintenace you uppity little nigger.
>>28793761>your boogey man>same retard with his knee jerk insults and shit trollingYou don't wrench on shit. You sit on this shit board 18 hours a day and just talk shit, you faggy little vodkanigger euromutt.
>>28793763>car maintenaceThis is why you will never see a real mans box, you fundamentally don't get it. Tools aren't for doing maintenance you retarded lube nogger. That's why you will always be a wrenchlet, and all your cars automatic, engine plastic.
>>28793765seethe, get that word count up this is nothing kek
>>28793766>Tools aren't for doing maintenanceYeah they're for shoving up your ass apparently, because you have 0 pictures of you wrenching on a goddamn thing.>>28793767Drink yourself to death, pidor.
>>28793779remember when you posted pics and we found out you were fixing nog owned rentals at pepboys surrounded by empty sugar free monster cans? you would literally kys if I posted pics of the things I touch.
>>28793786Nigger I've never been a greasemonkey. Not your bogeyman, tranny.
>>28793810>Nigger I've never been a greasemonkey.my mistake, so hard to keep up with all the different ricers im sure you understand.
>>28793786>you would literally kys if I posted pics of the things I touchFr fr no one wants a pic of your greasy little dick
>>28793812>my mistakeYour life is a mistake, just fucking end it all already. No one will miss the twitch reaction image spam.
>>2879334699.8% of manuals are shitboxesI doubt many here own a t56 or a tko 600And those are cheapest good manual trannies still on the market.Early 90's tech.It's just not developed anymore. Normies don't want it, autists can't afford.It's over.
>>28793346>steering wheel isn't roundInto the bin it goes. Whatever the gearbox I still need to turn corners without bumpimg my hands on the steering wheel.
>>28793766>This is why you will never see a real mans boxWhy are you looking at man box?
>>28793567>3-4 speed autos are comfyThey are dogshit that won't engine brake. I have one in my truck and it's a massive retard. >you want to slow down down this hill for the rough track crossing?>well how about we just stay in OD and fly down it with you standing on the brake>you think I should down shift to climb this hill?>let's climb it in top gear lugging all the way to 99.9% of the hill and then downshift to the correct gear to climb it at the top of the hill then immidiately upshift again?>you think I should be in 2nd gear to crawl at 20 mph? >how about 4th gear and the torque converter fluid pressure drops to 0 and the engine completely disconnects from the transmission so your throttle inputs do nothing or have a 5 second delay?I hate the slushbox antichrist
>>28793766>Tools aren't for doing maintenanceU wut
>>28793625>be me>literally have lived with a Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrafolio, and have driven Giulia Quadrafolios regularly (unlike fag anon with his poverty Chrysler 2L 4 cyl.)>Also had an original manual BRZ, own 2 manual E46's one being a full blown race car the other being a daily wagon.>A properly tuned ZF8 speed, DSG/PDK is just as good for fun spirited driving if not better than a manual day to day.Your last few arguments are pretty weak. You've never tracked a ZF8 car, they don't overheat like you think they do. Manuals being "cheaper to rebuild" is only true if there's rebuild kits available for them. On most newer euros that doesn't exist any more (if you can find me a ZF 6 speed rebuild for my E46 I'll suck you off) And it's cheaper to replace an auto with a used one from a wrecker.Also to that point since you wanna bring up owning the Alfa. The ZF8 tuning on the Quadrafolios is phenomenal, in dynamic mode they make all the right noises, they bang gears harder than you can in a manual and arguably at the Quads level the manual would have ruined the overall package of the car. And as someone that's lived with the quad. The ONLY thing that's stopping me from purchasing one is the maintenance. There are no aftermarket options. Especially recently for some reason it's all dealer only. Pads and rotors? $5k Dealer only, spark plugs and coils? $400 Dealer only. Rock auto has nothing. The only way to get anything aftermarket is getting it from an online store in Lithuania, which still somehow ends up cheaper.
>>28793625You, that ontario mach-e autist, and that silver bmw faggot are all three heads on the same retarded hydra
>>28793883You gotta play with the pedal. Flick to downshift. Also every auto until 2018 ish needed to be told to downshift manually.Some older ones even have adjustable bits if you want to hold the lower gears a touch longer
>>28793883The 700R4 in my firechicken engine brakes pretty well from 1st up till 3rd. Too bad it's dying.
>>28794034>until 2018 ish needed to be told to downshift manually.Sorry, meant engine brake manualy
>>28793346I never really was one. I drove nothing but sporty manual cars for 18 years because that's what I was into, but I never gave a shit about somebody having an auto in their generic daily driver, and I also didn't think that a stick could magically make some gutless NPCmobile fun enough to be worth driving either. I drive a pickup truck with an auto now, and while I do sometimes miss owning a manual car I never wish my truck had one, nor would I trade it in on a manual car for DD purposes, and I do have a manual motorcycle now so it's not like my life is completely devoid of fun engaging vehicles.
i test drove a 2025 S3 and a 2025 IS350 (6spd) and the shift speed felt the same between both of them even though people bitch about how slow the yota auto is and how quick DSGs are. maybe the dsg needed to be warmed up more but either way i wasn't too impressed compared to my high mileage manual S4.
I only drive manuals because I service all my cars. Not going to deal with automatic transmission service, they don't even include drain plugs in a lot of them.
>>28793346I have never been a jerk, jerk, but as no man knows the hour of his death I cannot say the time I would cease to be a manual elitist. I suppose if I lost the use of my legs I would need an automatic as lever operation would require it. I couldn't change gear, steer and pull the fwds/backwds lever without have three hands or a unusually tensile penis.
>>28793346There are cars I like which never had them. >I'd would even argue that a 6 speed would ruin it.Wholeheartedly disagree with this though. You're coping with the fact that they never sold the Giulia with the manual in the US.
>>28793605bodied him
>>28794164This. It would take a serious injury to get me to drive an automatic.21 yrs of driving and I just bought another manual car last week - never had an automatic. I considered auto for a sec because I wasn't finding anything but my patience paid off and the thought of not driving manual genuinely makes me sad. I'd give up sex before M/T. I genuinely prefer a 100hp manual to a 400hp auto.It's a personal preference, I simply enjoy it so it's what I choose. I couldn't care less what others drive... except... manuals have basically disappeared so I'd like other people to buy them so they still exist when I'm 60.
I get grumpy hearing people car shopping, decide on a car with both manual and auto available, but still pick the auto, as if they didn't already have the entire rest of the market to choose from.
>>28794164>>28794265aren't there services/companies out there that can make manuals work with disabilities? Probably not cheap, but it's still an option.
>>28794297Might not even be needed, prosthetics have gotten really good recently. Was watching a video of someone reviewing a car the other day, it was a manual, and then I realized halfway through that the man's right hand was a full prosthetic. Guy could still shift no problem.
>>28794297Probably. I was in FSAE in uni and our car had a paddle on the steering wheel for the clutch. It would cost too much and be too unreliable to retrofit such onto a commuter car.
I never was one, but i started to actively despise the "manual community" at my current age I realize just how cringe they are, trying to shill some legitimately unfun cars with zero good driving dynamics because it has a stick you can play around with.
>>28794334>grows up>starts liking cuckshitBrother you were always a ricer and a wrenchlet
>>28794341>ricerLet me guess your car has one (1) or more of the following ricer objects:>custom shift knob>little trees air freshener>phone mount for android>dash cam>custom floormats and mudflaps and rain protectors on windows>seat covers>miniature version of car on the dash>roof box
>>28794346>automatic goodDumbass motherfucker
>>28794302>>28794304i forgot just how far prosthetics have come. last time i looked at disabled manual driving it was a paraplegic going balls to the wall on the burger ring operating the clutch with a contraption that let him control it with his hands.
>>28794346>phone mount for android>mudflaps>ricerThis board is so retarded now I genuinely can't tell if this is just b8 or actual mental disability.
I've never driven a manual car, but I've driven in them. best-case scenario, it feels like a good automatic. worst-case (and most drivers are closer to here), it feels rough and jerkymy friend has an STI and I hate riding in it. I'm not sure if he's just a shit driver, or the car has a weird powerband, but I feel like that meme of a passenger in a manual carconversely, I think motorcycles benefit from being manual because they're almost entirely leisure vehicles, and shifting is integral to the experience
>>28794399>I've never driven a manual carnobody is gonna read the rest brudi
>>28794402that's fine, my mt10 will smoke 99% of this sub's clapped out civicsenjoy rowing the gears on your 130hp shitbox
>>28794408>mt10Come back when you get a r1
>>28793346>At what age did you stop being a manual elitist jerkProudly still a manual elitist jerk.t. boomer
When I got a promotion and had a kid. I’m on my phone 18 hours a day now tard wrangling remotely and can’t steer, shift gears, yell at James for fucking up his Saturday scheduling for the millionth time, drink my coffee, open a can of puffs, and flip off EV fags at the same time.
>>28794422This is the best justification for being a NEET I can find.
>>28794428I want to go back. Society lied to me.
>>28794024>someone who drove a fucking cross-over once as a rental is trying to lecture me on what the definition of "sporty" is.>>28794028lmao, thanks for the laugh>"Look guys! I installed a 'race mode' button, that means my automatic zf8 car is just as good as a nice manual transmission!!!"
>>28794444>>28794422This concept of children having fun and fucking off until they're 21 and out of college is so alien. You should be delegating family tasks to them by like age 6-7 and then easing them into it. They should be helpful and well-mannered, not spoiled monsters. I blame weak men for allowing their wives to run everything.
>>28793346>Alfa Romeo>good
>>28794510>tfw the "Ultimate Driving Machine" still can't build a better car a decade later.
:/ when for some reason my l4/l5 disc shit the bed. I'm still rehabbing it. but in my haste I sold my fun manual car and got a boring rx350. I still have my project miata but it's not the same as a fun manual dd like my civic type r was.
>>28793346>being a manual elitist jerkSounds like sour grapes to me.
>>28794265Last I looked Skoda were still making mid-range manuals with dual-clutch auto as a paid for option. I more or less got the last manual Toyota in 2020. In general it is carnage. Even BMW you have to go right up the range to get a manual. I don't want a supercharged sports car as my daily driver anyway.
>>28794297It is just a lot to do at once you don't have legs. One hand does throttle/brake and indicators. The other steers with a ball connector on the wheel. In there somewhere would need to be a motorcycle style grip clutch and then what hand do you change gear with? As far as I know having no legs means you are limited to automatics, full stop.
>>28794346>custom floormatsFuck... you got me
>>28794024yup, spot on.t. owned 2018 giulia 2.0, 2020 giulia 2.0, 2022 stelvio QV, 2024 stelvio QV, and currently own a 2020 stelvio QV.one of the best vehicles on the road, and the best transmission tuning around
>>28793567Except for fork trucks when I was 19 or so, I've driven nothing but 3 & 4 speed automatics since 1982, mostly because I enjoy driving most when it's low-effort as I can get it. About the only complaint I have with most of them is when it comes to passing when you're already at highway speed, and could use instantly lower gear and much higher revs. I drive a big ol' touring sedan, and one time drove it cross-country with it in the 3rd out of 4 top-gear settings, and didn't notice much difference in behavior except for the engine becoming audible around 70, and a certain extra sensation of yesteryear when it came to modulating speed with slight adjustments to pedal pressure.
>>28794024>Especially recently for some reason it's all dealer only. Pads and rotors? $5k Dealer only, spark plugs and coils? $400 Dealer only. Rock auto has nothingbro your alfissimo? your porterfield pads? your moparonlineparts?I think there is an ongoing shortage of NGK platinum plugs Alfa uses, but there should be some inventory
>>28794643Oddly, when I bought mine I think they shipped from America. Had no issues otherwise getting them. https://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/hirochi3/ngk90219.html?sc_e=yauc_search_result_pcwebThe parts issues for me fall into 2 categories:1.) Part numbers between the US and the rest of the world are different, causing a lot of confusion. This is compounded by the lack of publicly available manuals.2.) No single site that'll let you search by parts diagrams and order stuff, so although sites like moparonlineparts.com (US) have a lot of stuff you might need, it's more difficult than it should be, especially if you don't have the right part number to search by. There is definitely a push by MOPAR to artificially limit parts availability so they can inflate prices, similar to how they added SGW to drive up costs for independent mechanics and push you to use their dealerships. But if you're able to source them directly then these things use cheap parts and it's not a big deal. Downside: they use cheap parts that'll fail more than they should.
>>28794668I still can find a bunch of options, looks like madness autoworks still has them pretty cheapit's definitely fucked that only a dealership can comprehensively look up diagrams with part numbers. btw thanks for reminding me to go ahead and do the SGW
>>28794605>>28794493>>28794024I'm not a manual purist at all and the Giulia ZF8 is shit. The 2.0 can cruise at like 1600 RPM and you need to grab two gears if you suddenly want to make a fast pass. That second downshift takes almost an entire second for some reason every damn time. If you're braking quickly into a low speed corner it's slightly better but still way too slow.The 4C's DCT can downshift in under a half-second even if it's preselected the wrong gear. Selecting gears in that car is much more natural feeling. And it's got properly wheel-mounted paddles instead of the retarded column mount.Maybe with the torque of the 2.9 it's not necessary to grab 2 gears all the time but I doubt the transmission responds that much faster.
>>28794164>>28794265Sadly kinda the reason I had to stop. Nowhere near as drastic, I've still got two working legs, but a 15+ year old knee injury (ironically from wrecking one of my first cars, which was manual) decided to start being a bastard and I couldn't deal with working a clutch through the long stop and go commute I had anymore. I can still drive stick on the side for fun but I don't own one right now, as I mentioned in an earlier post I do have a manual bike though.
>>28794725you don't even need to use the paddles, you can just shift with the knob forwards and back like in initial d arcade stage 3.
>>28794725Nah, I can't speak for the 2.0T ZF8, I've only ever drive the Quads. Whatever crack alfa was doing when tuning the ZF8, You'd have a harder time convincing me it IS a slushbox. Its about on par with VAG's DSG, if not a touch slower when coming up to temp. Its never NOT slow except when cold. Fuck the torque converter comes on LIKE a DCT clutch when coming off a stop, its actually rather annoying because of it. If anything the G87 M2 CS I've driven had a worse ZF8 tune, for some reason even in the fastest M-shift mode it always thought about shifting if you arent driving it at ten tenths, But full tilt? The G87 is magic.I'd assume the 2.0T is as trash as a Jeep cherokee, since they both use the exact same FCA powerplant and trans. But like I said, I haven't driven an Alfa with the 2.0T so I can't even comment on it.>>28794493>reading comprehension this poor>owing not even the performance trim of a car that you thinking you can speak on it and sportyness of a stick shift>Not knowing the underpinnings between THAT SUV and sedan are exactly the same minus a hatch and a body lift.I've "lived" with the Stelvio QV long enough to know its strengths and weaknesses, fuck I had to maintain one. I also had the privilage to compare the giulia QV and stelvio QV back to back, and say this from experience, they aren't all that awfully different. But you're right, an SUV that hurts feelings on track isnt THAT sporty. So I moved on to pic rel rental at that time.
>>28794668Sorry bud, but I'm a Canuck. Buying stateside is hit or miss. Its genuinely been easier and cheaper to buy it from Trodo Lithuania for us. We also ended up getting Gyro disks from a local performance parts store here because it was easier and at least you can buy the metal rings seperately for even cheaper later. The saving grace was the pads since they were used in other applications so they were available. Regardless, its wayyy too much trouble that its worth especially to daily year round.
>>28793346If you have only ever driven manual it's hard to even drive auto. You feel accustomed to pressing the clutch and shifting gears, it's part of driving a car. When switching to a car with auto It feels so boring and lacking in control.Objectively speaking there is nothing wrong with auto, in terms of acceleration and fuel economy. It just feels weird.
>>28793346You got old and became a faggot. Many such cases.
>>28793625>zoomer repellanteven though zoomers rave about manuals
>>28793625>>28794989manual uptake amongst younger drivers has actually increased over the past few years. people still do want fun cars.
I stopped caring once I started driving EVs
>Be me, looking to buy Giulietta QVI found a good looking, good value one but it's the TCT auto. I hear those are pretty good, not nearly so bad compared to your usual autotragic, but I'm about to move to an area with lots of hills and it feels wrong to not buy a manual of this kind of car. How bad would I regret not going for a manual?
