Why are Japanese cars generally so much more reliable than european cars? I've had Audi's, BMWs, Mercedes, Renaults and Opels, but nothing just gets on with the job of being a car better than a cheap japanese run about. They just work, where the european cars don't
they aren't, you've been lied to. you think retards with eyes like this can make something like an M3?
>>28795956why does it look like its absolutely devoid of soul
>>28795956Korean.
>>28795978Japanese are people are direct and efficient, and it shows through in things they create. Europeans are much more flamboyant, and with that flamboyance comes flaws
>blocks your path
>>28795935The Japanese man is the last man that has pride in his workmanship.
>>28795935gee I don't know...
>>28796076What the fuck is that
>>28796078That's what happens when you chase after "hp/l".
>>28796076Why are Germans like this? and Why do we keep buying them?
>>28795935German cars are still also fairly reliable. And they are known to endure Scandinavian winters well too. I guess with Japan is they focus a lot on refinement of the traditional. They're rarely the biggest innovators but instead apply a mindset of cautious refinement over time. This makes their products in general extremely stable to use. The downside is that a Japanese car will rarely blow you away with innovative features.
>>28796092>German cars are still also fairly reliableKek
>>28796092>Japanese car will rarely blow you away with innovative features.Aka it has to be riced the fuck out to be "innovative"
>>28795935Not as much innovation and much more simplicity = more reliabilityFor example a lot of kraut cars have some atrocious monstrosities for thermostat housings or water pumps, that you just wont find that kind of shit on Japanese cars.
What the fuck is the Honda in the OP? Looks like a space egg
Japanese culture revolves around quality and precision, a car in their eyes just needs to be reliable, otherwise the engineers didn't do their job right (shamefur dispray).They also believe in "Kaizen" (Continuous Improvement), every employee has to suggest improvements to the production process.Toyota even has their own production system, where they try look at every part individually to spot potential issues.Another thing is that Japanese people believe in slow but reliable technological advancements, I can't imagine them releasing something like a Tesla to the masses, it would only be made as a prototype for the time being.Here is a British documentary on Japanese engineering from the 80s:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMuI1-2SlGkGermans are also like that a bit, everything needs to be precise and right. It would also be completely shameful if it doesn't, in their eyes.
>>28796109European version 8th gen Honda Civic.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic_(eighth_generation)#Hatchback_(FK1%E2%80%933,_FN1%E2%80%934;_2005)I used to think they looked cool when they came out but it looks like some ricer car now.
>>28795935In my personal opinion after working for decades on cars... because Japanese rubber and plastics is superior to European and I'm not joking. Seals, everything lasts way way longer, like you can take apart '92 EG Civic and almost nothing with crack. 20 y/o old BMW/VW everything you touch just cracks, delaminates, disintegrates. Also OP that's wrong pic those space egg hondas are not really hondas but rovers made in britain with everything that goes with it.Sedan of that era is japanese made.
>>28796259this is outdated stuff. my toyota yaris was built in france and the engine is from poland. american toyotas are probably being built in mexico.
>>28796276I'm not sure how much reliability difference there is between cars that have a different factory location (Japan vs. France/Poland). The parts are identical. Toyotas/Hondas seem fine regardless of their factory origin.
>>28796259>Another thing is that Japanese people believe in slow but reliable technological advancements,They still use fax machines over there. Extremely conservative society despite the appearance of hyper advanced technological society. A girl I dated lived there for a short while, this fact of strong conservative somewhat xenophobic society turned her into a real japanophobe lel. Sometimes that conservative mentality pays off well when you're in the process of refining the new. But it can be dreadful when they need to do quick maneuvers in industry to adapt.Also Toyota is one of the most corrupt car corporations out there and Toyota's ties with the Japanese government would send shockwaves if done in a western country.
>>28796288despite what people believe, assuming people show up to work, it's not the dudes on the assembly lines that makes a difference
>>28796290I actually turned into a bit of an anti-Weaboo last year. I really delved into Japanese culture because I didn't know that much about it and I like Japanese cars/motorcycles for their engineering and reliability. They have business culture that is ruthless and greedy at times, like they have a honor culture but they will blame random people for failures. I have read how they would fire the leadership from American/European departments of their companies because they would need a scapegoat. Japanese people often don't know to market their products to Americans, they don't get how American culture is about strength and coolness. Japanese want crazy and quirky marketing instead. I have read cases where the Japanese leadership was seething at their American branch because they were beating the competition, with successful marketing, in the US market. Like it would enrage them when their foreign branch was doing better than them.Japanese people are also huge Ameriboos/Euroboos. They worship American/European culture. I was watching a 90s Japanese detective TV show and I basically only saw European (BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, Saab, Jaguar) and American cars to my surprise. The cars were LHD too even though Japan is a RHD country.
>>28796320They're absolutely odd people and probably also why they're capable of creating such unique and wondrous machinations. I'm not entirely anti-weeb but I would not want to work with Japanese people. They seem extremely demanding and judgemental, especially to foreigners. However that's also a strength in how much uniformity they have in their businesses. Their secluded ways has definitely given us things that a globalist and welcoming Japan would not have been able to.
>>28796092>The downside is that a Japanese car will rarely blow you away with innovative features.Behold, the """"""innovative features"""""" in your germoid
>>28796318There is also a 1 million miles Honda Accord (1990), made in Ohio, USA. Same engine and transmission still.
>>28796290>Toyota's ties with the Japanese government would send shockwaves if done in a western countryMy brother in Christ, we already have GM.
>>28796320There's definitely some less than great parts about Japan out there. Pic related is a great book on the topic if you want to dig in more. Japan is fun to love from afar, but if you get too close to it you'll end up learning that they are just as fucked up as everywhere else in the world just in their own unique way.
>>28796365GM doesn't own the US Gov. Toyota owns Japan.
>>28796290The ruling party in Germany is basically owned by the car companies
>>28795935>Why are Japanese cars generally so much more reliable than european cars?The truth is as an engineer, cars from both nations are reliable. The Japanese tend to reverse-engineer those same machines and do their own twist to it. The difference between them both is their longevity. The comparable European machines when they get old, tend to have incredibly painful maintenance procedures to perform- wherein Japanese machines can usually be repaired by an average DIY enthusiast or technician without requiring much electronic diagnostic tools when those get older. The Japan machines also tend to be engineered to keep operating even as their wear items degrade- they tend to fail in stages, letting the end-user keep running the engine even when accessory devices are disconnected or damaged. You can't say the same with European machines as each system is reliant on each other, (Mercedes and their alternators cooled by the engine's liquid cooling system).>They just workthey both do. The European machines however only really work when they are new. Once they get worn, their over-engineering doesn't enable the vehicle to be repaired on the side of the road for example for emergencies. The motorset is a part of the car's frame, requiring the body parts to be removed to access the motorset. Japanese engineer their machines to let you access wear items without removing the engine. (Atleast not the latest ones).
>>28796262I think it looks absolutely kino.They don't make them like they used to
>>28795935car in op's pic is literally made by britbong in england with euro parts.
>>28796098memes aside, the vw electric waterpump/thermostat cooling system is fantastic engineering when it works. it doesn't have a traditional bimetallic thermostat but a bunch of electric valves and multiple electric pumps. it allows you to do some really advanced stuff with setting various target temps and routing coolant to different parts of the engine, turbo, oil coolers, heater core, and radiator at different temperatures and loads including after engine shutoff. it's a lot more points of failure but I have one of the few that has never failed after almost 115k miles lol
>>28796520forgot pic
The most unreliable cars I've had thus far were all japanese, whereas the most reliable cars I've had were American.DOes this mean american cars are better than jap cars then?
>>28796273What are you talking about ? Rover was dead by the time the space egg Civic came out. This Civic was made in the Honda Swindon factory, all Honda parts. It's a british built Honda
>>28796505Euro parts? The engine is the R18, all the running gear is from Japan, who gives a fuck if some of the body was made in cuckland?
>>28796522No, you just had bad badly maintained Japanese cars.
>>28796567>you just had bad Japanese cars.True that, but I thought jap cars were supposed to be completely indestructible and require no maintenance to run forever.
>>28796569No, all cars require regular maintenance. Euro cars go wrong even with said maintenance, that's the issue.
>>28796464>The Japanese tend to reverse-engineer those same machines and do their own twist to it.I remember a story about how japanese companies literally buy a car from the competition and disassemble it to see what makes them tick, but the story wasn't really about that, it was about how there's some brands they do NOT do this with, and how this was the greatest insult they can convey or some such, with how the Japanese are, I can see it.
>>28796578>Highest mileage cars are all euro or american
>>28796594Ah yes, the VW diesels that have had 10 cambelts and 8 turbos.
>>28796599>all cars require regular maintenance
>>28796602Engine rebuilds are not maintenance
>>28796607>A timing belt is a rebuild
>>28796616you purposefully missed the turbo part, they go. a lot.
isn't that a britbong car?
>>28796290>Toyota's ties with the Japanese government would send shockwaves if done in a western country.they are not even in the same city. Toyota is an Aichi company take your gay Tokyo crap outta here.
>>28796092>The downside is that a Japanese car will rarely blow you away with innovative features.What "innovate features" do you even really need outside of the usual equipment any car within the past decade comes with, its just more shit that can and usually does break over time.
>>28796397They might as well with every bankruptcy granting them free bailout money.
>>28796784Made in Swindon UK, but the parts shipped over from Japan.
>>28796520>>28796521All these sorts of things are cool if they're well built but I've replaced so many of these pumps at around 60-80k km. I don't remember ever changing a water pump on a Jap car with less than 150,000km
>>28796259>blogpost about japanese reliability>posts a pic of a mazda rx7lol, lmao
>>28796276>american toyotas are probably being built in mexico.My 3 from 2001 to 2010 were all manufactured in Indiana. As for the modern ones idk. But American car brands beat the Japanese at sending their factories and labor to Mexico a long time ago.
>>28797158it's just classic german overengineering. love it when it works, hate it when you have to take apart the upper intake manifold and high pressure fuel rail to replace it. >>28797378rotaries are reliable when you delete emissions and run them like 2-strokes aka premix and drive her like the little whore she is
>>28795935It's partially because of how they're engineered but mainly because of the design considerations that go into them.(certain) Japanese cars are engineered to last, and as a result, they end up being more expensive than other vehicles on the market, not only because they have a good reputation for reliability and therefore more people want them, but also because they use higher quality materials and designs than others. And for what it's worth there's nothing inherently wrong with optimizing for cost, lots of manufactures do it, especially american ones, but as a result you get a cheaper car that cuts corners in some ways to reduce the price. Japanese automakers know people will keep their cars for a long time before selling them, and they know their average consumer can't afford expensive maintenance, so they overengineer the car to last and reflect that in a higher upfront cost compared to a shitbox.Contrasting that, Euro cars are built primarily for luxury (because most euro brands are luxury brands), their primary demographic is wealthy people who will probably replace the thing with a new one before it starts to have problems and can afford the rigorous and expensive maintenance schedules required to keep euro luxury cars on the road. So there's really no reason to optimize for reliability, it's a waste of money, considering they only make money off of new car sales and the average guy that buys a new euro car doesn't care about reliability. And for what it's worth, non luxury euro brands like Volkswagen are still pretty damn reliable.So I wouldn't say that japanese engineering is inherently "better" than european. If europeans wanted to make a super reliable car they could. If we're going off of pure potential American engineering is probably the best, look at how much military tech we have.
>>28796594i think that kiwi newspaper delivery guy is still racking up the miles on his 94 corolla wagon. back in 2022 he was doing 5000 km a week. original engine and tranny, only other thing beside oil, air filters and timing belts that was replaced were the wheel bearings. if he's still doing that mileage up to now it'd be well in excess of 3 million
>>28795990They let their hair down once in a while
>>28795935Have you ever spoken to a european? Retarded pretentious scum.
>>28795935>1.9 TDI>1.9 JTD>2.0 HDiEuropeans can make incredibly reliable cars but only diesels
>>28796061My near 30 year old one has gotten me to work without fail every day for 13 years with 236k miles on it now. Still waiting for it to violently explode like this board would have you believe it would do every day.
>>28796094>E46Most of the engines on that were absolutely bulletproof, the last BMW like that.>>28796273>those space egg hondas are not really hondas but rovers made in britain with everything that goes with it.What the fuck are you talking about? It is a Honda. It was assembled in the UK but it is 100% Honda. No fucking Rover shit there.It really is a piece of shit though.
>>28796290>They still use fax machines over there. Extremely conservative society despite the appearance of hyper advanced technological society.They are WEIRD with that. In some ways they are technologically 20 years ahead and in others they are 20 years behind the west. So they use fax today but they also could literally just buy shit from their mobile phones in the early 2000s.
>>28797839also the supercharged toyota comfort
>>28796599No the VW diesels that do one million miles on basic maintenance.
>>28797875>I played russian roulette and was just fine, that means its safe
>>28795935Japanese cars have seen combat all over the world. American and European cars just guzzle too much gas compared to Japanese cars in warzones
>>28797901Not my problem you can't maintain an engine.
>>28797880How is it a piece of shit? Probably one of the most reliable second hand cars you can buy, the R18s are extremely reliable and only really require basic oil change
>>28797913>changed irs to torsion beam
>>28798129Yea they used the Honda Jazz platform, but that tradeoff resulted in the biggest boot in the class and magic seats. The space inside that egg is cavernous. IMO it's a downgrade because the ride is harsh, but it worked for them and the car sold lots, you still see them everywhere at least in the UKTo me though the beam is one chink in the armour of an otherwise extremely flexible and reliable car. It's fun to drive too, revs to almost 7k with a great manual shift. I've owned a couple in the past, the FN2 is an excellent drive too, despite what Jeremy Clarkson said.
>>28797908>not my problem you don't know how to pull a trigger
>>28798231We get it, you didn't change the oil for years and are eternally assmad it blew up
Japanese manufactorers for the most part produce very conservative cars with little new technology to break.
>>28795935I just took my 2004 LS430 on a 1600km road trip. It has 290,000kms on it. On returning, all fluid levels were unchanged and I got 32mpg for the trip. Euros can't explain that
>>28798466You mean you don't envy my double vanos? Bruh can you even
>>28798466I did about 7000km the other summer on a BMW X6 xDrive with about 300k on the clock, 3 litre twinturbo diesel.Didn't burn a drop of oil, no lost coolant, no issues whatsoever even when gunning it through the Carpathian range and the Stara Planina, going flat out on the never ending polish highways, did some skids in Estonia.I've been all over Europe with my BMWs and never had any issues with them.Meanwhile my cousins mazda 2 couldn't make a 200km trip without spinning a crank bearing. 100k on the clock with that one.
>>28798946Cool anecdote bro. There's a reason why old, high mileage euros are worthless.
>>28799908Right, my post is anecdote, but the other one then isn't? That's some really selective bias.Whatever, more cheap German cars for me.
Am I the only one who likes the look of the european spaceship Civic? I kinda wish we got it in the States
>>28799950You only want it because you can't get itThe grass is always greener
>>28796520That's great and all and I can appreciate the method however the actual outcome of such a system isn't even superior to, for example, a k20 turbo'd car such as the 10th gen accord which has a conventional cooling system. VW's do spool at super low RPM's though definitely credit there
>>28797737American and european manufacturers tend to heavily revise engine designs/make clean sheet designs much more frequently, while japanese companies tend to optimize their cars so they need minimal fundamental design changes over time. Honda is still using the 25-year old K-series and J-series, and the newer L series is fundamentally similar to the 45 year old D series, headgasket issues included. Toyota's basically in the same situation with the zz and gr engines
>>28800397depends on your performance target. if all you care about is reliability then you can set a low fixed thermostat temp and make sure your turbo is watercooled but then you would have to make sure the driver knows to let the turbo cool before shutoff. the vw system lets you warm up quicker, set a higher coolant temp during cruise for better fuel efficiency, lower coolant temp during hard driving for reliability, quick warm up cycles for fuel efficiency/emissions/reliability, and cooling system after-run so your turbo lasts longer. not to mention the heat capacity of most vws is excellent such that you could be driving at triple digits in 100F weather without overheating. obviously the issue is longevity though with that many points of failure so I do wish it was more solid. honestly though I think it's a carry over from the phaeton which had a ridiculously overengineered cooling system, and vw loves to reuse tech from that car since it was a bit of a testbed.
>>28799946My anecdote is consistent with the data. Yours is not. There is a reason why the LS400/430 remains desirable while only the bravest of the brave would consider a 7 series BMW or a S class Mercedes of the same era.
this guy singlehandedly debunks the jap shill
>>28801539>beaten to shit car that was sitting in someone's backyard rotting away unmaintained for two decades is falling apartLiterally only happens to jap cars.
>>28801548>superior japanese car is a garage queenhis major pain is not broken stuff, its the atrocious quality and fit of spare parts and the overengineerd fuel system
>>28801549>>superior japanese car is a garage queenI don't think you understand what a garage queen is, and by the look of that car it hadn't seen the interior of a garage since before you were born.>the atrocious quality and fit of spare partsThe cheap third party parts he buys off of eBay, yes.>the overengineerd fuel systemThe fuel tank being full of gunk to the point is a write-off is not an overengineering issue, it's a don't let your fucking car sit unmaintained for two decades with gas in the tank issue.
Cars reflect the CULCHA from whence they cummed.The thuperior Oriental mindset favors long-term thinking, reliability, dependability. Hence, Toyocunt boregasm-mobiles.The childlike Ameritard braggadocio mindset favors ME LOUD ME STRONG LOOK ME. Hence, musshole cars.The open-minded exploratory Yurinepean mindset favors innovative new gimmicks and pushing the boundaries of perfwhoremans. Hence, unreliable AMG hot V turbo enginas and such.
>>28801784>oddball spittin facts
Type R space egg. Are they any good?
>>28796569>>28796578wtf kind of conversation is this even fucking bot NPC wrenchlet faggots what the fuck am I seeing
>>28796098Water pump looking like a twin scroll turbo
You're not allowed to have large property or a garage to work on your own car in Europe so them being unserviceable is not your problem
>>28795935>Why are Japanese cars generally so much more reliable than european cars?They were, but that's been dropping off for a while due to cost cutting and coasting on reputation. There's also a fair bit of bias that doesn't help>thing breaks on Toyota>"Oh well, these things happen and it's reliable otherwise">thing breaks on Audi>"Of course it would, piece of shit"I've heard the same dumb shit even with flat tires. >>28796061I can't think of any other cars with so many oil memes as Subuarus have. >>28801548Happens to old GMs and that kind of shit too. Not so much Ford though.
>>28796094>Actually change the oil>Engine makes it to 200k with not much more than regular maintenance
>>28796094>neglect car>it breaksShocking. People abused 90s Camry's to hell by never doing maintenance and later owners discovered the joys of engine sludge in the 4cyl models.
>>28802740>Want to check oil level before starting car >there is no dipstick >oil level check on dash only works when oil is warmed up
>>28802751If there's a need to refill, the car would've told you when you drove previously. Checking when cold is also a mixed bag since condensation can build up and the oil is contracted, so you can end up with a false reading. Always check oil when it's warmed up (not hot or straight after the drive, when it's had enough time to drain back down).
>>28795935>rigorous 2 year manual maintenance check>japanese people are just generally more detail oriented>having any scratches or large blemishes on your car is shameful and also a show of lesser status>they desire newer cars; used cars rarely sell when the miles exceed 75000 milesbased
>>28802763>having any scratches or large blemishes on your car is shameful Bullshit, those niggers curb their TE-37s with a smile on their face
>>28795935Japanese man is the only one that gives a fuck about anything anymore. You're literally dumb as fuck if you buy any other countries labour/goods. Might as well flush it down the toilet.
