Which is better and why.
>>28796912Toyota. Because they actually try (and usually fail miserably) to make a truck.
>>28796912American
Honda is more innovative, Toyota is more conservative. Honda practically pushes the envelope, Toyota lobbies against progress.
Honda, because their cars are on average, much more driver focused. It's gone the other way now though.
>>28796925Well put despite the vague political undertones. Honda is innovate but with shit that only works for a long time minus some exceptions.
>>28796919kek
they both make shitboxes for people who hate excitement**unless you want to spend over $200,000 on a car that underperforms a Mustang
>>28796912Toyota has RWD models with manual transmissions. If that were the only thing I knew about the two companies, that would be enough.
Real talk:I get paid 55 cents a mile (current rate) for work.I do about 50k miles a year.Im almost ready for retirement after 30 years.It would take me 20 minutes to remember all the cars ive had over the years and even after that id miss a few.Camry 100%.I did the hilux (u.s. rebadged), F150, Ram, Ranger because I thought i needed a truck for rutted out dirt roads.Then I realized I could double my fuel mileage (bonus pay) in a camry/accord and just straddle the ruts.>back on topicWith a Toyota i have to change out struts after 150k miles.Oh the horror.With a Honda I get a CEL at 120k because the crank sensor went out.Or maybe it was a pinched wire causing a short from a twig in the road that I hit because a new sensor didn't fix the issue.But its not constant and when it rains it drops into limp mode on the freeway.And if I have a lot of hot starts it drops Into limp mode. But if I shut off the the car and restart it might go away.And yes I checked the harness and there's no issues- the sensor is buried so far up in the engine bay that if it was pierced it would have blown my hood off.And it was 2 accords with the same issue.One of the camrys I gave to a friend (because he sucks with money and doesn't understand the concept of a DD)- its about to hit 400k miles. Thats actually a sweet car I got from a friend and its had oil changed at 5k for its entire life and might make it to 1 million miles.Another one my son is driving and is around 325k.
>>28796925What have they innovated in the past 20 years that has been worth a shit? It's all FWD cuckboxes
>>28796963Sh-awd, their own dct that rivals Porsche’s pdk, the new nsx that basically spawned a whole segment of hybrid super cars with small battery packs. Chassis construction that allowed them to preserve strength whilst adding visibility.Toyota released a couple sports cars who’s engines blow up, rebadged a bmw, and are now jumping on the hybrid sports cars bandwagon wagon with small battery packs+torque fill exactly as Honda had already done with the nsx.
>>28796958I hate you losers desu.
>>28796958>I'm a fucking wagieTry driving a Camry outside of the most temperate climates. I've had 3 fuel pumps fail in a single camry before I said fuck it and sold it. 2nd Toyota the transmission died because it couldn't handle inclines. Piece of shit cars for goysumers who don't do any real driving other than going to Walmart to goysume.
>>28796912Toyota obviously. They have made a full range of just about any kind of vehicle you could want including dozens of rwds.All honda has are infinite flavors of fwd slop and they KNOW it's slop. The only 2 times they got serious and made a real car they were both rwd. But they know their customers are dumb enough to buy the fwd slop so that's all you get.
>>28797017"FWD slop"the majority of motorists will never know the difference between FWD and RWD. Also they make pretty much the best handling FWD cars ever with their Type Rs
>>28797022it's still slop. Any fwd honda you masturbate over would have been a better car if it was rwd and you know it.
>>28797011>wagieIm sallary bitch.I make an extra $800 a month on mileage.Thats right- my car makes as much as your pathetic basement dwelling ass.Im getting ready to retire with 60% of my base pay for the rest of my life plus SS plus my 401(k) thats pulling in 18% a year.I just bought the neighboring house because I didn't like who lived there.Buck up buttercup you're next.
>>28797030RWD is optimal of course, but FWD is a comprimise that allowed them to keep the prices down and have cheap and reliable cars for the masses with sophisticated double wishbone suspension at both ends throightout the 90s (though they went to mcdonalds struts in the 00s)
>All the assmad Honda drivers trying to diss Toyota and failingHonda, not even once.
>>28797011>3 fuel pumps failBecause you buy autozone trash.You deserve to be poor.
>>28797034>comprimise>cheap>for the massesAnd you're objecting to the word "slop" why?
>>28797037because slop is half arsed guff, Honda legitamately put out great drivers cars. The Honda Integra DC2 is legitmately one of the best handling cars of all time, FWD or not
>>28797040>great drivers cars.For drivers with low standards maybe. If a car is fwd it's automatically half-assed. Fwd isn't a drivers choice or an engineers choice it's the accountants and marketers choice. When engineers and drivers get to choose you get the NSX and the S2000. The rest of the time the engineers and drivers have to make do with the fwd platform they're stuck with and that's half assed.
>>28797050Imagine not enjoying FWD cars kek, you've just alienated like 70% of cars, what a retarded elitist fuck
>>28797050Even the nsx and 2000 were tainted by interference. The 2000 is a bit heavier than it should have been because the marketers insisted on making it a convertible and the accountants came close to ruining the nsx by re-using an existing transverse V6 powertrain. This enraged a lot of people in the 90's when honda were doing VERY well in F1. They thought they were going to get a longitudal v8 or maybe even a v10 which would have made the car legendary. A normal east-west honda v6 on steroids was a major disappointment but fortunately it was good enough to eventually make the nsx a classic.
>>28797065Eat the slop piggy.
>>28796925>Honda is more innovative,>every single car they ever made is a fwd 4cylWrenchlet
>>28797078Ok, just ape someone elses opinion like the good sheep you are
>>28797081I'm older than max, he's aping *my* opinion. He doesn't kneel for niggers though so he's alright.
>>28797080How can you call someone a wrenchlet and then be retarded.
>>28796912Toyota isn't afraid to try weird shit with many different kinds of platforms. While this nigga >>28796925 is retarded. Honda had done nothing over the decades but make the same underpowered four-door front-wheel-drive car. While Toyota during the same period had already designed so many cool new machines.>Which is betterif you're considering this because of an upcoming purchase, it depends on the end-user. Do you want a car that is predictable and familiar? Then get a Honda Civic. However, would you rather prefer something strange, interesting, fun with an extensive continued aftermarket Japan support for upgrades? Go Toyota: GR86, GR Corolla, GR Supra, GR Yaris, twin-turbo Tundra pickup.
>>28797084Bro what the FUCK innovation are you talking about. They made the k and b series that's it, everything else was mid as fuck, wrenchlet, led loving.
>>28797104>calls this >>28796966 nothing>shills a bunch of exploding engine shitboxes and a rebadge bmw as his “weird and spooky shit”You’re definitely the IQ of someone who watches initial d
>>28797107Oh, you’re the wheelgap spic. Carry on.
>>28797110Newfag, wrenchlet
>>28797011How expensive are fuel pumps for a Camry? I've never heard any other Camry owners complain about reliability
>>287970804 cylinders is peak appliance performance tho
>>28797109>calls this >>28796966 nothingthe NSX which is near forgotten today? Bunch of tech no normal person gives a fuck about short of autists? Wow amazing.>shills a bunch of exploding engine shitboxes and a rebadge bmw as his “weird and spooky shit”thats rich coming from Honda Civics- which is the number one laughinstock when someone mentions a "cheap car" and "that one fart can Civic at 3AM." Hilarious indeed.>You’re definitely the IQ of someone who watches initial dthe hispanic Honda faggot is confused and afraid of the historic rear-wheel-drive Toyota AND LEXUS Japan legendary status.
>>28797151You’re on a car enthusiast board advocating for what “normal” people would care about?Who copied the nsx with their own torque filling hybrid sports cars again? Oh, Toyota.Initial d fags just can’t help themselves, can they.
>>28796912Toyota, the superior- and elite choice. Through different family generations.
>>28797157lol this guy is so mad at initial D. There's a reason nobody made a show about your gay fwds and hybrids.
>>28797168around here only annoying Mexicans and Puerto Ricans drive Hondas KEK. It has that irredeemable reputation of poverty spec. Respectable people choose Toyota and Lexus.
>>28797172I don't understand it at all. Allegedly the older civics were still the most stolen car in states with lots of niggers and mexicans until recently. Fucking how? You'd think there wouldn't be enough of them in circulation.
>>28796912Honda literally started off making substandard piston rings for Toyota before Toyota chads gave him a big bag of cash for his business so he could pursue his dreams making motorcycles. There is no Honda without Toyota.
Toyota and it’s not even close. Honda = FWD shitboxes
>>28796912I think overall Toyota, especially when you include Lexus since they are sold as Toyotas in certain countries. Toyota has more variety and important models. Honda/Acura can be more fun. Some Toyota models are so boring, like the ones they sold in Europe during the 90s/2000s.Toyota had more Rally and LeMans successes. Honda had more F1 and Indy successes.Both are great car brands.>Supra>Celica>Corolla/AE86>Camry>GR Yaris>MR2>Hilux>Land Cruiser>4Runner>Soarer/SC>Chaser>Caldina>2000GT>Century>LFA>LS/Celsior>IS/Altezza>GS>LC>RX>NSX>S2000>Integra/RSX>Legend>Inspire/TL>Accord>Civic>CR-X>Prelude>CR-V>Beat
>>28797337*ahem*Forgetting one?
i want a civic del sol and a prelude
>>28797350There is also Toyota Cressida/Mark, Cresta, Corona, Curren and Sprinter Trueno/Corolla Levin (AE91/AE92/AE100/AE101/AE110/AE111). I could've added the RAV4 too since the CR-V is in there too.
>>2879706590% of everything is bullshit though
>>28797107>ebonics>>28797110I'm not hispanic at all
>>28797172They're literally the same demographic: mexican ricelets
>>28797350>>28797361sheesh.>>28797440that aero kit came like that as the RS200 package from Toyota faggot.>mexican riceletsthey can't even afford one, let alone know how to maintain the engines these Lexus came with. That's why they stick with carros Honditos
>>28796912>>28797182>Allegedly the older civics were still the most stolen car in states with lots of niggers and mexicansthe numbers dont lie. For some reason those hispanics have an autismo level fascination with those old Hondas (and even new ones). They are amazed that something so simple to work on can be so fun. They have that stigma- that's why my homies don't drive them, they don't want to associate with people who like Hondas. While the ones with family and children all rely on Toyotas for their lifestyle.
>>28796912Back in the day definetely honda they held onto coupes for much longer and were actually fun to drive for what they were,now?they're both cheap soulless transportation noticeably made to a price point
>>28796912Toyotas are for NPCs who don't know anything about cars. They get a Toyota because they think it's Japanese reliability and then run them into the ground.The absolute worst drivers are always in a Toyota.This is an undesputible fact.
>>28797547You're saying it came with those nerdy window bullshits, those fake BBSs, the boyracelet ahh wing spoiler, and that hilariously HUGE lift-kit all from the factory?! I really wonder who their target market could be
>>28797116$15 for the cheapest on rockauto with about $30 being average with OEM at almost $400 and then brick&mortar.parts store around $120.Its easy as shit to swap, just pop out rear seat and theres an access panel in floorpan.
ive owned both a 2011 RAV4 (and the 2008 gx450 as well ) and a 2015 CRV touring, and its shocking how shit the CRV is. uncomfortable, low power, low quality interior. the rav4 isnt a rolls royce inside but at least it was better than the fucking plastic junk heap honda has the audacity to call an interior cabin. same with the civics as well. it was the mid 2010s when i had both to compare so maybe things are different but damn honda really phoned it in man
>>28796925That doesn't make any sense.Toyota pioneered and perfected the hybrid drivetrain, and is the main player in hydrogen as well.
>>28797080my accord 2013 is a v6 thoughbeit
>>28797652A hybrid powertrain for a shitbox isn’t even remotely the same thing as a performance hybrid. No one but Toyota even uses hydrogen because it’s a dead end for consumer automobiles with no infrastructure support. All it is is Toyota trying to resist progress with EVs.
>>28797661>A hybrid powertrain for a shitbox isn’t even remotely the same thing as a performance hybrid.It's pretty much the same thing, gay shit that only faggots care about. >No one but Toyota even uses hydrogen because it’s a dead end for consumer automobiles with no infrastructure supportToyota created their own infrastructure. They have a shipping container they can drop off anywhere that generates and stores hydrogen. Hydrogen is attractive because you can have a 400hp V8 and still pretend you're fighting climate change.
Honda fell off a fucking cliff after 2010 with that 1.5 engine garbage and just general retreat from sports cars. It's clear that Honda as a company is extremely confused on where to go to next, especially now since their EV plans have stalled. Toyota meanwhile spent the entire 00's and 10's getting the money necessary to go wild now and give us basically everything people have been begging Toyota for, and with them correctly choosing to go into hybrids, this era of Toyota will continue for at least another decade
>>28797672If it’s the same thing, show me a pirus hybrid system with a zero-60 under 3 seconds on street tires.>toyota created their own infrastructure And got sued because it’s shit and the owners felt scammed.
>>28797674>Toyota meanwhile spent the entire 00's and 10's getting the money necessary to go wild now and give us basically everything people have been begging Toyota for>beg for new ae86>get a subaru>beg for new supra>get a bmw>>28797675>If it’s the same thing, show me a pirus hybrid system with a zero-60 under 3 seconds on street tiresNobody cares faggot.
>>28797674Any chance of Honda following Toyota and releasing a new S2000? Probably notDESU the Integra and Prelude rebirths are souless as fuck and miss what was so good about the originals
>>28796912Nissan's better than both.
>>28796912'yot'
>>28797576those window things kick ass, means you can still crack your window in the rain and not get sprayed, or on the highway doing 90+ and not get raped by wind
>>28796919Toyotas are made in America.A superior automobile with American labor & Japanese Leadership.
>>28797032I love and hate you.
>>28797702What was good about the originals? They were front wheel drive and the new ones are, too.
>>28797764Post hands
>tfw I bought a brand new camry a couple weeks ago
>>28796919>muh cars made by niggers>should we tell him"""American""" topkek. He still thinks his obsolete garbage is still made in Detroit or some shit by niggers- and not by Pedro in Mexico, Chang in Shanghai or Saar in India.
>>28797803>What was good about the originals?Honda in the past actually had soul and had the racing driver enjoyment in mind. It imbued the feeling of their F1 expertise. Today? No longer. Soulless, electronic and ugly. Video related:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mynvDGUjJw
>>28796912Some of the Hondas I've been in are spooky good when it comes to grip and precision handling. I suppose it depends on what your priorities are.
>>28797078>"Wins" races because of pit stop strategiesk
>>28797435Hello beautiful lady I most interested i have car. Pleese contict me
>>28797794I only see little ricers with them
>>28798065my first car was a mk.4 golf that I bought for $2k off an old carpenter and he had em onthat dude knew what was up, great little shitbox, v comfy in all conditions
>>28798013>when it comes to grip and precision handlingyour girlfriend's vag comes with grip and precision handling. Toyotas can do the same, but at a superior level.
>>28796966>Chassis construction that allowed them to preserve strength whilst adding visibility.Elaborate
>>28797435Dylan did nothing wrong unironically. Marketing roasties did.He still will never be a woman though.>>28798026Nahhhh mahir would not be into troons...
>>287980653 of the jap cars I've owned had them installed from the factory.
>>28796919There's zero reason to buy a American sedan or cuckover
>>28798186Patriotism'Murica
>>28796912Honda never won Le Mans.
>>28798206and your dad never made your mom moan like i did, whats your point
>>28797011>he didn't get the xv10 camry where one of the design requirements was the temp gauge not moving at all despite death valley-tier temperatures with the AC running full blast while climbing a mountain road in 2nd gear all the way upngmi
>>28797652> is the main player in hydrogenThat shit flopped a long time ago and I'm really suprised you'd bring it up lmao. In fact Hydrogen Toyotas are cheapest Toyotas you can get your hands on if we compare to other models with different power trains from the same year.
>>28798287It means that Honda is unable to win Le Mans.
