Carrera GT is a famous widowmaker but in 2004 it was the fastest car on the Nurburgring for a short time. 2010 Viper ACR was 4th fastest after Radicals and Gumpert Apollo.
>>28802989Any 600+ hp supercar without electronic nannies and 4wd
>>28802989Any car can be a widowmaker when driven by dumb rich cunts with no skill.
>>28802989Everyone that's driven a CGT always says it's a fucking incredible driving experience, right up until the point it decides you've run out of skill and your free trial of living has expired.
>>28802994thisWe had such an accident in Krakow in 2023.A detailed analysis of the vehicle's movements just before hitting the wall on the Vistula Boulevards revealed that the Renault Megane R.S. was traveling at 162 km/h.Furthermore, the vehicle's speed recorders did not record any braking attempts. (!)
>>28802989They don't drive like shit, they're unforgiving and rich people are morons who expect the world on a silver platter in return for a large amount of money so when they buy what is basically a street legal race car with zero driving skill, barely drive it, then take it out with their massive rich man ego thinking that because they own supercars they are good drivers, they kill themselves.
>>28802989I love the Carrera GT because of racing games from the 2000s. Coolest Porsche together with the 959. I wish I could own one, one day.RIP Paul Walker.
>>28803098Funny to think the mentality doesn't change from people that buy the best X in any other aspect of life like sports or videogames and get btfo. Seeing people drive old AW11 MR2's and 180SX on the nurburgring full send also makes me realize that good drivers can make even slow as shit cars seem fast. Driver mod best mod.
>>28802989That depends on whether you believe a heavy car can handle and drive better than a lighter one, or if muscle barges have good handling. If not, why suggest cars that are “unforgiving” are somehow not shit handling?Good handling cars are easy to drive, not hard.
>>28803332you're confusing two different things. some cars are easy to "handle" but they have a very low performance potential due to having very little mechanical grip despite being predictable at the limit. think most understeering fwd econoboxes. cars with a lot of mechanical grip tend to also be set up with much stiffer (i.e. higher frequency - everything is a spring) suspension and tires. higher frequency == faster response which doesn't necessarily mean unpredictable for someone with good reflexes and high performance driving experience. but normies and rich assholes who learned how to drive econoboxes on the street usually don't.
>>28802989S2000 is a great example. Plenty of them end up slid into curbs or spun into trees/ravines. At the same time a lot of people like them for how they drive
>>28803332>a heavy car can handle and drive better than a lighter one, or if muscle barges have good handlingOf course it can but these are excemptions. Here is a difference between a car that's considered bad handlong and a car that's considered unforgiving.
>>28803352Performance =/= handling. A dodge challenger has a higher performance potential than a Miata, do you think the challenger handles better? And it’s not just “Normie” drivers who found it difficult, many experienced journalists did, too.There are also cars with high frequency of sudden direction changes that don’t lead to the car wiping out. The new nsx for the example.
>>28802989Most widowmakers got their reputation because of old tire and suspension technology. The moment we got goated tires and a better understanding of the physics involving high performance suspension was the moment we remedied the skill floor.
>>28803358ACR vipers aren’t unforgiving at all. Many journalists note how easy they are to drive, feeling like an AWD car.
>>28803367So a lot has changed since its first generation.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HwTpEFTVZqQ
>>28803364to be clear, by performance I was mostly talking about mechanical lateral grip limits, so a miata would be higher performance on twisty roads and conefagging. but that's exactly the point. easy to drive is easy to drive. lateral grip is lateral grip. handling is not a precisely defined term.
>>28803381That’s not an ACR. Just a regular viper.
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>>28803144>959>Carrera GT impeccable taste.special mention to the 918 for being extremely cool
>>28803145Rich people are just as boring and stupid as regular people. Living around a lot of them taught me that (I'm not rich). They'll fall for the same shit driving a porsche supercar as a broccoli head driving an ininiti or a nigger driving a hellcat.
>>28803144>RIP Paul Walker.Fuck paul walker. He was an imbecile trying to show off his expensive fast car while simultaneously being too cheap to put a good set of tires on it. It's a shame he didn't destroy a more common car instead of a work of automotive art.
>>28802993I feel like at some point in car design/development, you need those nannies for it to even be driveable. Like how jet planes are designed around being inherently unstable and then course-corrected by a computer a billion times a second, because that same instability lets it do shit in the air that straight human control couldn't.
>>28803415>trying to show offhe was sitting in the passenger seat
>>28803436And letting your rich friend drive your fancy car is _______ ___.fill in the blank retardSHOWING OFF
>>28803364A lot of "journalists" are unskilled faggot hacks with a big mouth. Remember, they're hired to report to normies what a car is like, not racing drivers reporting to other racing drivers. This is probably the biggest disconnect in cars: everyone thinks they want a race car, but have no fucking clue how awful race cars are on real roads and also how punishing they are for incorrect inputs because race car drivers don't want something that coddles them, they want something that they can overdrive at any time so they can push it right to the ragged edge in any given scenario.
>>28803550His "rich friend" owned the car AND was driving, Paul was just a passenger.Tired of the "muh tires" meme. There is no evidence the tire blew out, and even if it did, part of being a good driver is being able to not exceed recoverable limits. You have to assume a tire can blow out at any time and drive accordingly. If blowing a tire will kill you, you're driving too fast for the conditions. Even without blowing tires, even the most expensive and grippiest of tires can lose traction if you encounter water, dust, leaves, dog shit, gravel, grass clippings, road kill, etc., all of which can be on the street around any corner at any time because it's not a closed course race track with race officials monitoring it. If you drive in such a way that an unexpected loss of traction will kill you, you're a shit driver, period, end of story.
>>28803421Without these electronic aids, you'll end up with something like the TVR Speed 12 - a car too powerful and too difficult to control to be road legal
