I'm building a slightly warmed over 302 (~350hp) to go into my daily driver, and since I'm swapping from a 6 cylinder, I have no intake manifold or fuel system to re-use. There are so many options - what should I do to prioritize reliability and smoothness, to get the most out of my engine?I'm going EFI for a number of reasons, so not considering carbs for this build. Nothing against them.Needs to be bolt-on, and to fit under the hood without modification. Planning to keep the injection naturally aspirated, so boost compatibility isn't a factor. Whatever I end up with, I do plan to take it to a good shop with a dyno for final tuning.What style of setup should I go with for intake manifold and injection? Why?>Traditional intake manifold like you'd use with a carb, with a bolt-on fuel injection throttle body. (e.g. Holley Sniper 2)>Modified intake manifold with sequential port injection? (e.g. Edelbrock Pro-Flo 4, Holley EFI 4150)>Post '86 302HO OEM style EFI manifold (either stock with aftermarket injectors and controller, or aftermarket)
I'm putting a factory intake manifold and throttle body efi on a 351c. I was gonna use the quadrajet that's on it but I don't want to have to tune it for summer, winter, altitude, humidity etc; when the efi will do that on the fly.
>>28818253So you're planning to use something like the Sniper 2 on a factory intake manifold? I've read there might be some slight modifications needed to ensure it runs right at all RPMs. Iirc you need to block off the crossover ports.Since I don't have a stock intake manifold anyway, I'm torn between the OEM EFI style ones, the carb style ones with a TBI system, or the sequential port style ones like the Pro-Flo 4.
>>28818250you're not making 350hp from a 302 just slapping a throttle body injector no way in hell.
>>28818335A carb spacer or cutting out the divider wall also helps a ton
>>28818350>reading comprehension not detectedThe motor is built to a full recipe for 350+. AFR aluminum heads, cam, pistons, hydraulic rollers, etc etc. I just need to pick an intake and fuel system for it.
Holley Systemax manifold, 90mm throttle body, 28lb injectors, and long tubes of your choice should round out the horses you want.
>>28818520Sounds like you got a decent amount of money into it. For that I wouldn't consider option 3. Option 2 is undoubtedly the best but are you willing to pay for it?Option 1 is pretty standard.
>>28818253>but I don't want to have to tune it for summer, winter, altitude, humidity etc; when the efi will do that on the fly.if you were going carbed i would've suggested the carb cheater because it does almost exactly all of that without costing a bomb.
>>28818532Alternatively if he's not a poorfag like you geese, then PimpX is the way to go.
>>28818544as far as im aware geese never had a carb cheater...why does he piss you off so much?
>>28818544checkedwtf is a pimpx?
>>28818551https://www.stinger-performance.com/store/pimpx-engine-management
>>28818253>I don't want to have to tune it for summer, winter, altitude, humidity etcwhy do retards think this is something you need to do lmaoi dailied a carbureted car for years and never touched it
Budget? Back when I did it, the cheapest way to make power with EFI was to use one of the cheap and easily available carburetor intake manifolds and a 4150 or similar flanged aftermarket TBI setup. They used come up used on ebay pretty frequently, and won't make an appreciable difference power wise vs what you would have with a carb setup on the same manifold. Port injection manifolds were way more expensive than good carb manifolds and then you had to add fuel rails, 8 injectors, a throttle body, etc and it turned out spending $200 on a used aftermarket TBI and a $150 on a used Edelbrock Performer RPM intake from craigslist was my ticket. With a megasquirt 2 and that stuff on my 347 swapped Volvo which never hit the dyno before it got hit but performance wise it seemed to be in the near or at 400hp range. This was before stuff like the terminator x stealth existed.
>>28818335Yeah, the crossover pipe that prevents fuel condensation with a carb should be blocked off if you go TBI or port injection. All it does for those is raise intake charge temps.Port injection is the optimal solution for fuel distribution and tuneability, but it won't look original and it's gonna be costlier than just slapping on one of those carb replacement TBI units.
>>28818520I really can't tell you on good authority what that really will put out because mine has never seen a dyno but what I can tell you for sure is I have seen alot of stupid fucking cunts throw the parts catalog at a 302 and make like 250 at the wheels but it's mostly the fuel injection guys having this problem.
>>28818520wat CC heads and runner volume? what piston CC(dished or flat top or even pop ups)? what cam grind?
>>28818525>Option 2 is undoubtedly the best but are you willing to pay for it?If option 2 is undoubtedly the best, that's definitely what I want to do. I'm just trying to understand WHY it's the best. The budget isn't an issue - I've fully accepted that this car is going to be a money pit and I'm going to pour my wagie bux into it.I just wasn't sure if there was some good reason or benefit to go with the OEM EFI style intake manifold instead, or if there was some other possible reason to stick with the TBI Sniper 2 style setup.The Edelbrock Pro-Flo 4 isn't cheap, but it's also a pretty complete setup. It's the manifold, the throttle body, the injectors and fuel rails, and the distributor and ignition system all in one. When you add all that stuff up individually for a Sniper 2 setup, it's really not that much more expensive to go with the sequential multi-port Pro-Flo system.>>28818524Why the Ford EFI style systemax over the pro-flo? Either should be more than capable of the HP I expect.>>28818820Budget is pretty much uncapped. I'm not going completely lunatic with the build or anything because I actually don't want to make way too much power - it's not a supercar chassis and I'm not trying to build a drag car. I just want it to move it's ass well in the mountains and have enough grunt down low for overdrive gear cruising.>>28818849Not worried about it looking original, and the difference in cost isn't enough to bother me. I just want to do it right and enjoy this car for a long time.>>28818910>>28818921Totally get it but desu the actual power the motor will make is besides the point. I'm just trying to understand what the best fuel system setup is from a pure engineering perspective. Cost no issue, except I'm not going to deal with custom fabrication so it has to be a system I can just buy and install. Trying to understand what the best choice is within that constraint.
>all this effort for 250 wheel>when you can just swap in a 6.0 LS truck motor and make that stock
>>28818921Oh andCam>533 Intake / .544 Exhaust Lift>215 Intake / 220 Exhaust Duration>@.050–114 Degree Lobe Separation>9.4:1 compression.>Flat top pistons.>185cc headI'm basically copying the Blueprint 361hp 302 crate motor setup, but with a Dart block and AFR heads. It's a complete waste of money but it's my current cope for being a miserable corpo wagie. Leave me in peace.>>28819174I considered LS swaps but there were things about this that were easier, and honestly I just wanted the SBF. There's no way I'm going to lose 100hp between the crank and wheel. TKX with an 8.8 rear end and 3.27 gears with an LSD.
This is a dyno sheet from the build I'm more or less copying.I really just want to get the fuel fuel and air system here.
>>28819174shut up nigger
>>28818520I'm not a ford boomer but if you're throwing cams and stuff at a build you need to make sure they won't be choked by a shitty intakego with whatever is cheap, easy to work with and flows enough for 350hp
>>28818250>>Traditional intake manifold like you'd use with a carb, with a bolt-on fuel injection throttle body. (e.g. Holley Sniper 2)Do this. Simplest and most cost effective. It tunes itself, no need for a dyno tune.
>>28819422I put a damn torker 2 on my as-cast enforcer afr 408w knowing it'd kill top-end to clear the stock 82 base hood, while I hate that I did that it's still too much motor for the car anyways.
I think I'm going to do the Edelbrock Pro-Flo 4 4150 setup.$2500 but all I'll need to add is an appropriate fuel pump.The next best choice seems to be a Holley Systemax intake with a Terminator X EFI controller, and some sort of CDI ignition. More $$$ and effort though. That intake seems like it's more top-end oriented though and I don't really want to give up power and torque below 4k for gains above 5k. I just won't be driving the car that way. I think the Edelbrock setup is better for my use case.
>>28820660If anything the Holley looks like it has very long runners for more midrange but less top end.
>>28820660>an appropriate fuel pumpfrom what i've seen, an in-tank pump will last a lot longer. people always seem to have problems with the external in-line electric pumps.
>>28820660>Holley Systemax intakeI'm remembering why I did this >>28818820 after seeing the price of that intake. I honestly wonder if it would have made an appreciable amount of extra power with the kind of budget I have today putting expensive stuff like that on it. Probably not. The performer RPM was a really good intake.
>Anecdotal pointI went with a Holley Sniper 2 with a mildly built big block chevy after fighting a carburetor for a year or two and realizing I was spending hundreds tuning it and not getting what I wanted. Figured I'd jump into the realm of bolt-on fuel injection and I love it.Bolted on a generic Edelbrock Performer RPM onto it, and ran a 3/4" spacer to avoid milling the center divider in a dual plane. Ran a MSD distributor and MSD Ultra ignition ran off the fuel injection. Was a short day's install effort.>Self tuning gets you only 70% of the way there. Good enough for everyday driving, but temperature / startup / RPM extremes still need manual turning, which isn't difficult to do.>The timing is NOT self turning, and you have to make your own timing curve. The timing adjustment from Holley is a HARD wall going from idle timing to full timing around 1200 RPM (absolutely inappropriate), adjusting for RPM near WOT.>The inline fuel pump is only good under ideal conditions, but I put it on a Chevy K20 with dual tanks and didn't want to spend the coin on dual in-tank pumps, and got lazy and installed it above the tanks on the fenderwell. I later had to install it in the frame rail below the tanks after having vapor lock / cavitation problems in the heat of summer.Overall, 7/10. After tuning frustrations for cold weather and the atrocious timing it comes pre-programmed with, it romps, and I doubt I'd get much more (if anything) with a tuned port system. Debating getting another kit, but not sure which other V8 I would install it to (small block chevy snow plow truck, or a Jeep CJ7 which already has too much power). I have no regrets choosing throttle body over tuned-port.
>>28820673>>28820684I think the only reason I'd go for the Systemax+Terminator setup over the Pro-Flo or a Sniper 2 is if I planned on adding a turbo in the future. Which I really don't think I'm going to do. The engine won't be built for boost, and that adds a lot of extra bullshit under the hood and sort of goes against the spirit of this car. If I was going to turbo though, that would be the obvious choice.It seems like a very nice intake though, especially if your car is already set up for that style intake.>>28820675I don't know if there are really good in-tank pump options available for my car. I'll have to look into it and maybe post on some forums or assbook groups.If not, I'm thinking about trying the Edelbrock sump style EFI pump. It's a little bit goofy because it still requires the mechanical pump to feed the sump, but I really don't mind mechanical pumps. It keeps the whole fuel system easy to access under the hood, and has the pressure regulator and a filter built in. If it's not stressed by having to pull fuel all the way from the tank, I feel like it's less likely to have the issues most in-line ones do?>>28820748Good info, thanks. The Sniper 2 seems pretty well regarded all around, it's just not really cheaper to go that route if I don't already have an intake manifold. I think it will control timing if you use the hyperspark? Another thing I like about the pro-flo, it's all integrated.
>>28821126as long as the mechanical pump can deliver the required fuel pressure then it's ok. but that's why people tend to go electric, because efi requires significantly higher pressures than carbs. also make sure all your fuel line hoses are rated for fuel injection too.
>>28818250 the OE 5.0 EFI intake is best bang per buck
>>28818250The stock efi Windsor intakes are fantastic pieces for daily drivers, but the electronics are shit. It would be good to do a Holley or aftermarket ecu with it, there is plenty of documentation if you Google that. I have even seen people upgrade to the 4.6 style distributorless system and use that eec-v generation computers. A dual plane with a sniper would be the least effort option, get the electronic controlled distributor.
>>28819174You know the 6.0 ls only makes more power than a carbed 350 above 4000rpm right? All that effort and you would never notice it on the street.
>>28818250I'm going for a four-barrel Holley EFI Sniper for my Essex when I get around to upgrading from the simple two-barrel 38DGAS, not looking to fiddle with any aspiration because at that point I'd get an actual V8 for the Capri if I wanted a turbo or superchargerAlready gotten a custom four barrel carb manifold (as Ford only made the Essex for two-barrel carbs which only choke the engine in my eyes) and with the thing being bored out to 3.1L I was told by the machinist that I'd be looking at over 200 horses with the EFI replacement
>>28821298if you aren't winding it up to 6,500 on the street then you should just go buy a camry.
>>28820660>an appropriate fuel pumpbosch 200 will probably be enough.
>>28821188>>28821294The OEM EFI intake paired with a Holley Terminator X and new injectors seems like a really solid setup.
Has the OP decided what system he's gonna order?
>>28821595Could also try to track down a Cobra intake.
>>28821595Foxbody fanatic here.The stock 5.0 mustang intake sucks.For a factory offering in 1986 it was great.But now theres 2 dozen aftermarket manifolds. Just the explorer or cobra intake is good for an extra 20hp. I would stay away from box intakes unless OP is going forced induction but id never run a stock intake unless I was going for a "barn find, 40k miles, I Know What I Got" build. Theres just too many better options over factory.And if the build is for 350HP the stock intake wont flow those numbers.
>>28818520Personally I'm going to put EV6 19lb/hr injectors on my 351w eventually. That's about all I got to help you.
>>28821648Those are hard to find and command premium prices. Junkyard Explorer/Mountaineer are almost just as good and can be had for ~$40
>>28821631I'm pretty sure I'm going with>Edelbrock Pro-Flo 4>Edelbrock universal sump EFI pump>Some sort of nice aftermarket mechanical to feed the low pressure side.I might change my mind between now and when I have the rest of the build plan nailed down but for now that seems to be the best overall balance of effort and capability. I still need to figure out what I'm doing for the whole accessory train, radiator, and fans. This project is such a money pit but I couldn't find a good donor so I'm just gonna spend money instead.I do need to figure out what air filter setups will fit with the strut tower brace options. Most of them seem to be designed for the OE EFI style intakes, but I'd like to use the 1979 dual snorkel style if I can. The single snorkel should be fine too though, and I might need the open space on the other side of the engine bay for mounting shit. I don't want the stupid hot air intake filter that boomers seem to love.>>28821652You're exactly the kind of fanatic I need to help figure some of this shit out. This is my first Fox platform car and I'm learning as I go. This isn't the thread for it but I'm still finalizing some mmof my plans for brakes and suspension too.
>>28821188WRONG. Those flow like shit
>>28818250Pro-flo or Systemax, basically whichever Jegs/summit has on sale at the time you order it. Both are plug and play TBI systems.
>>28821768Im running the 185 AFRs with 58cc chambers on a 347 with a Paxton GSS on one of my fox bodys.70mm TB, 80mm MAF w/42# injectors and a twEECer R/T for tuning.65mm TB / 70mm MAF / 36# will be the best option if you go NA on a factory induction style build for you cam and displacement. You'll never use that much injector, its to have a safety margin.Some manufacturers (GM) will increase fuel line pressure from 39psi to 51psi to basically "overclock" injectors to get a 24# to behave like a 28#.Other manufacturers (BMW) will run 36# injectors where only 19# was needed so they never surpass 50% duty cycle- once you start maxing out the injectors they can overheat or "flutter" and cause erratic performance- worse case they are in a perpetual "on" mode, dumping fuel behind a closed intake valve to get the proper amount of fuel for one ignition cycle.
>>28821768Oh ya.Get convertible motor mounts.Ford used the engine to stiffen up the chassis on limp noodle verts. They're not quite solid mounts but a lot less rubber than hardtop mounts.It will drop the engine about 3/4"- many (most) aftermarket efi intakes will have hood clearance issues with hardtop mounts. I'd suggest getting vert mounts regardless of what intake setup you run.
>>28821995>with a Paxton GSShow many pounds of boost are you running? I'm assuming you don't have the VR4 version?
>>28821995>185 AFRs with 58cc chambers on a 347 with a Paxton GSSVery nice. Ever had it on a dyno? Have you done any chassis reinforcement? How does the car ride with that sort of power?>>28821999I'm pretty sure I'm going to be running a Maximum Motorsports K-member, with their front control arms and coilover spring setup. Alternatively I might use a QA1 K-member with OEM style front control arms and re-sprung accordingly. In either case, I'm planning to put 94-95 V6/GT SN95 spindles in the front and those brakes all the way around. This is what the guys at MM suggested when I talked to them. I need a V8 kmember and for what people are asking for OEM ones that seem to benefit from a brace anyway I figure I may as well go aftermarket. It'll give me better clearance and access for headers and the steering rack from what I read.I'll look into that stuff about theount though. Dropping the engine ~1" would definitely ensure room for the strut tower brace.
I want to increase the ponies in my own 302 someday but I should really figure out how to make the brakes actually capable first or else I'm gonna have the same incident those guys in the red car did
>>28822044For me, I always tackle interior and cosmetics first. Then suspension and brakes. Then engine.What year? I'm sure there are options.
>>28818250I have a track heat intake with an OE style fuel system on my turbo fox paired with a microsquirt ecu. Personally I wouldn't stray far away from that as the best numbers I've seen were from this exact setup. If you're interested in meta 302 tech I would definitely check out richard holdeners videos on the topic. https://www.youtube.com/live/sYzlTMfnAbA?si=2P7EOZov040mwus-
>>28822041No im running the standard impeller so I hit 7psi.But im also running 11.1:1 compression so I was never interested in the upgrade- I ping on 7-11 (citgo) 93 octane gas (every time). Surprisingly very few issues on other stations, even some random pajeet market in bumfuck nowhere.I have no desire to buy VP race gas by the drum.>>28822043It hit 592 on the dyno.Tubular k-member on the street is a bad idea. Bottom out once and its trash. I shoot sparks off the factory plate steel k-member all the time.
>>28822122>It hit 592 on the dyno.checked and nice. 7 lbs and 592whp is very respectable for a 347. What block are you running?
>>28822044Don't bother. Without a full build you won't make enough power to make that boat even reasonably quick. You need at the minimum a high compression build with decent CNC ported heads, slapping bolt ons on it will leave you extremely disappointed.
>>28822142I ordered the block from Ford so not a "seasoned" rebuild.It was the last of the Windsor inventory.XXX casting (sounds cool, means nothing).Main bearing girdle added then re line honed.Scat 5140 crank (4340s were really pricey back then), H beam rods and JE SRP slugs.I would have gone with an aftermarket block but I didn't plan on going this far originally. No issues but I dont take it to the strip (often). Im old so I just putt around.The cam is just about as far as you can go and still be streetable.
>>28822142Oh ya.That 592 was on an engine dyno, never had it on a chassis dyno.
>>288220531990, and yeah, that's basically what I've been doing, lol>New (old) speakers from whatever I had around (car had none when bought)>stock air intake because it had a retarded hot air intake on it>Dad's old bazooka tube>Alpine cassette radio and CD changer >CB radio with PA>GMRS radio for road trips with friends (they have walkies)>Got vinyl roof ripped off and painted>3G alternator for electric fan swap that I ended up scrapping>Aluminum radiator>full trans fluid flush(es)>Aluminium radiator #2>new (same size) rotors and pads after I cooked the originals>also new bearings>and new shocks and new rear springs cause rear was sagging>cooked brakes again but I'm out of money so they're staying this time despite the vibrations>four H4 headlight housings and harness to go with them>new spark plugs/wires/distributor rotor and cap to fix what I thought was a misfire (it was the engine fan, probably needs balanced, however that goes)>air conditioning repaired like four times >swapped both power steering hoses to try stopping a leak (still trails ATF everywhere it goes)>fuel pump, done by my much skinnier friend (I am fat)Damn, every time I try to list everything I forget just how much I've actually done to this barge over the past few years, and all because I rode along with a few friends at tail of the dragon and decided I wanted my own car to take there.And like, I did it, I set a goal and I achieved it, but so far I am two for two in terms of going there and destroying my front brakes/bearings.Not sure what I'm going to do this year. I've discovered that if I get up to speed in 3rd gear and then put it in 1st, it'll drop to 2nd and stay there unless I floor it too hard or lose too much speed, so I'm hoping to rely on that the next time around, because otherwise my brakes are doing all the work slowing me down on every turn, and maybe the trans will be happier not having to downshift a thousand times in one day.
>>28822122>Tubular k-member on the street is a bad idea. Bottom out once and its trash. I shoot sparks off the factory plate steel k-member all the time.your shits too low retard
>>28822143I don't exactly care about being super turbo fast, but it'd be cool to cruise on mountainous highways and have the horses to stay in overdrive the whole time instead of needing to downshift for every hill.At least it'll make the hills though, my poor van has chevy's 5L (305) while weighing twice as much and I don't even bother taking it on the highway anymore.Well, I'm pretty sure now the failing differential would explode if I tried, but that's the original reason I stopped.
>>28822201NTA but swapping a H.O. 302 would gain you 75hp right off the bat and it would bolt right up to your AOD. My old 302 HO made 220whp 280tq through an AOD with simple bolt ons and ignition timing bump which is probably around 100whp more than you're making now.
>>28822213Damn, I guess that will certainly be my backup plan if anything happens to the engine, same as I'm gonna put a 350 in the van if the 305 ever blows up
>>28821545The beautiful thing is I can build a 383 for the price of a used 6.0 worth wiping my ass with>>28822044The stock brakes on these cars work fine, fix them
>>28822196Look at where the front of the K-member is in comprison to where the strut is mounted.Wheels are at the bottom of the dip while the K-member is at the top of the dip on the far side. It takes very little compression to bottom out.
>>28822249stop cutting your coils dipshit
>>28822239The stock brakes do not enjoy route 129
>>28822122>Tubular k-member on the street is a bad idea. Bottom out once and its trash. I shoot sparks off the factory plate steel k-member all the time.Many of the tubulars do seem way too flimsy for me to be comfortable with, they're obviously made for drag racing. Still, sloppymechanics has run the flimsy looking AJE k-members in his 700rwhp LS swapped Fairmonts on the street. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.The QA1 and especially MM offerings look noticeably beefier than all the others. When I spoke with MM on the phone, I told them I do NOT want to lower this car. I want it at stock ride height, to maintain ground clearance and suspension travel. It really should NOT bottom out on the k-member - it will hit the bump-stops first. It'll cost me ~$400+ factory k-member unless I get lucky, and I'll have to prep and paint it myself or drop it off at a coating place for additional cost.>>28822201BluePrint sells a ~361hp long block. They also sell short blocks now, and they're making their own blocks that look a lot like the Dart SHPs. I know you probably don't want to drop $6k+ on a crate motor, but it'll be the easiest way to pick up 200+ hp. Otherwise to get major gains you'll need to get new heads, cam, intake at a minimum or add boost.
>>28822250Stop talking about a platform youre unfamiliar with, it just makes you look like a poser.
>>28822267>should NOT bottom out on the k-member - it will hit the bump-stops firstI have stock k-member, arms and bump stops.The problem is real-world infrastructure and the k-member sitting in front of the front axle centerline. You WILL bottom out. Go look at your k-member.Post a picture and we'll make a game out of how many individual strikes we can count.
>>28822276>>28822286a stock coil with 26/27" tires does not fucking have ground clearance problem you fucking nigger, even the ones I have lowered don't drag the kmember they only scrape the exhaust I know more than you fucking piece of shit.
>>28822289Post pics of underside of k-member.
>>28822296fuck you nigger its below 20 outside
>>28821298You're going to feel that extra 75hp from the modern 6.0 anywhere in the powerband. It's not like there's an on/off switch for that extra 75hp at 4k rpm. The entire point of swapping in an LS is to have an amazing platform with an infinite aftermarket to work off of. Add a cheap truck cam, heads and an intake and you'll have all the low end torque and power you want.
>>28822310Then I expect to see pics tomorrow.
>>28822314There's nothing wrong with LS swaps, but in this case I do not want it. I'm using a TKX manual, and I'm very autistic about having the factory guage cluster fully functional. GPS gauges and digital tablets look like fucking ass.
>>28818250>a slightly warmed over 302 (~350hp)So..250hp..Stock 302 is 220hp.Go Pentastar.
>>28822332Based and PentaKINOpilled challywallychad
>>28822332I lied. I'm buying a $6000 crate motor with my bonus from work. The power output is guaranteed.And a stock 302 can be as little as 110hp or so depending on the year and what it was installed in.
>>28822163>>28822165That's bloody well impressive on a factory non-Mexican block. My goal is something near that with a 331 on a factory '90 block.. I'd assume 45hp less than what you've got with TFS 11R heads.
>>28822329LS stands for lazy swap aka poorfaggot shit
>>28822332>torque starts with a 2>only manual available is from a jeepLol, lmao even. Do you ever shut up about your fagmobile?
>>28822165>>28822342>>28822163Sounds like a really nice engine anon. I considered going for a 331/347 but I think my MPGs are going to be bad enough with the 302, and I really don't need more power.
>>28822314Dyno doesnt lie. The power difference below 4k doesn't exist, and I'm not paying 2500 for a 6.0 and the supporting mods to convert to fuel injection when a 350s are a dime a dozen to buy and even cheaper to build
>>28822378I'm not too sure what year you think it is but 350's are definitely not a dime a dozen and it's definitely not cheaper to make power with them. If you need a reality check try this experiment. Take two of those click counter things and use one for every 350 you see and one for every 4.8/5.3/6.0 you see. Analyze your findings after a week then take a guess as to which one might be easier to make power with. Also your powerband hate fetish is really weird. I could keep my LQ4 below 4k rpm and destroy any stock 350 powered anything including cars.
>>28822340Yeah maybe it's just real heavy but my box of a panther does not feel like it has 220 horses
>>28822362>Do you ever shut up about your fagmobile?Hmm, I'm not THAT guy.Personally, I'd recommend a 350 swap.
>>28822213This is precisely why I said bolt ons will just be disappointing. The 302s in LTDs make somewhere between 130hp and 150hp IIRC. You can swap intakes, carbs, cams, and headers to your heart's content and you'll be lucky if you make 200hp crank. Total waste of time. Buy a used HO and do the same thing to it before swapping and you'll gain 100hp.
>>28818250I'm telling you anon this shit will fail and you won't be able to get parts for 2 weeks and then you'll find out they updated the system and you'll have to buy a whole new oneIf you want efi install an OEM system from the 80's, I'd just stick to carbs because they work unless you let them sit for ages. If you're worried go edelbrock, I've let them sit for a year with gas inside and they still don't clog
>>28822671>If you're worried go edelbrock,nobody chasing hp numbers should do this
>>28821126> I think it will control timing if you use the hyperspark?You can use the hyperspark, or any ignition system that accepts a external trigger. All MSD systems (that I'm aware of) have a white wire that is the "points" trigger, and that is used in my case. I think most MSD systems are also plug-n-play with traditional hall-effect sensors (two wire). You do need a locked-out distributor (no vacuum / mechanical advance). You could probably program the timing to compensate (in which, mechanical is easy to tune for, just RPM, vacuum not so much).
>>28822706I have an MSD/6AL on 2 vehicles.Wonderful devices.One just gives the multispark.On the other i use it as a spark controller on an electronic feedback carb EEC-IV/300 c.i system that was swapped to a holley 4150 on a 351w (although the EEC-IV architure is used on later SEFI systems, they are very different).6AL uses mechanical advance on the distributor.6AL-2 can use any type of dizzy- you can use mechanical advance for the timing curve or it can be overridden (ignored)- simple tuning with a laptop.
>>28822504>maybe it's just real heavyIt's that. Your curb weight is like 3800lbs, and for that year the stock motor was rated at 150hp. So you're at like 25lbs/hp power to weight.My car is like 800lbs+ lighter than yours, and with the unbelievably sleepy straight 6 has an even worse P:W of like 32lbs/hp. So it could be worse, this thing is a dog right now. If I hit the 350hp target I'm going for, it'll be closer to 8lbs/hp which is more like what you'd expect from an actual performance car.If you want that car to feel alive, you're going to want to cram 300-500hp into it, which probably means a whole new motor. Save up for a crate 347 maybe, or start planning out a boosted 302.
>>28822799Just get a new Mustang already.This retard is gonna wind up dropping $10K just to get 285hp, which will get him smoked by a 15 year old Honda Accord.
>>28823052If you think buying a new Mustang, or bench racing against Accords is relevant in any way you're completely missing the point.
>>28818250Everything made or owned by Holley is shit.Fucking everything.Their ECUs are low quality Chinese trash.Their castings are all China garbage with core shifts Do not buy anything from those Stock price pumping Jews
>>28823121He wouldn't get it. He's just a queer passing through.
>>28823121>you're completely missing the point.Yeah, I know "the point".>Once I finish this Foxbody build I'll be 16 again, in my own Mustang GT! with 150hp.Your "point" isn't gonna save you from humiliation, when Grandma gets tired of your bullshit and smokes you in her 300hp Camry
>>28823195>He wouldn't get it.Oh, sorry, Vision Quest boy...
>>28823200The fact that you go through life seeing it as some sort of humiliation ritual where you're in a constant dickwave bracket against every other people alive is really sad.
>>28823152That's interesting since the Terminator X seems to be THE go-to for most people tuning modern performance engines and LSX. I know a lot of people got burned with the Sniper 1, but the 2 seems solid all around. MSD also gets a lot of lriaze and it's one of their brands.
>>28823402>The fact that you go through lifeI'm sorry that you can't stomach my opinion that it's an utter waste of time effort and money solely in attempt to (what equates to) fulfill a childhood fantasy.Do what you want it's your money.
>>28823203yeah, your a cock sucking queer alright
>>28823410Some sort of weird projection here, considering you have no idea whatsoever what my motives or objectives are.
>>28818769Forreal. Nigga could get an AVS2 and be fine.
>>28823403>Terminator X seems to be THE go-to for most peopleThe Average car guy is retarded.I get 2-3 ppl a month asking me why their TermX killed their 5.3L.The CEO of the company that owns Holley:>He is both a historian of Jewish religion and a theologian"Every time.
>>28821298You know if you're trying to make power you won't be below 3500 right? I could give a rat's ass about how much power my vehicles make on the bottom half of the rev range so long as it's not jerky and retarded to drive. As unlike the majority of so-called American auto enthusiasts I have mastered this elite European technique called downshifting.And while we're there, it really pisses me off when you've got guys talking about picking a cam for a 7+ liter V8 and they're worried about losing some torque on the bottom end. My nigger you have one of the biggest engines and the realm of passenger cars. You have more than enough torque already.
>>28823452Large cams are usually shit anon.
>>28823200I dont think this board is for you.
>>28823470This looks like a case of the heads or intake bottlenecking the top end. Normally you'd see a crossover point, maybe right there around 5200, where the big cam finally starts to realize some gains, instead of falling flat on its face.Even then, in my opinion for the vast majority of cars that are going to spend their time on the street the losses under 4500 are NOT worth whatever gains you get up top. People are way too focused on peak and not enough on average across the range.Mild cam gang 5ever
>>28824062>case of the heads or intake bottlenecking the top end.Yes.Which is why H/C/I are so often mentioned together. They all have to be balanced with eachother for proper flow.Theres 10,000 different dyno sheets online of "engine X with cam A vs cam B, look how much better B performs!!" And the same build but comparing head Y vs head Z.For a particular engine cam A will pair with head Y for the best power curve. Changing one means changing the other.
>>28822310Still waiting for pics of k-member
>>28824284kek, Greased Geese won't deliver
>>28824062Nah bro big camshafts are a crap most of the time.
>>28823452You're gonna love it when VTEC arrives there mate.
>>28823452>I could give a rat's assCOULDN'T
>>28824324Did you even fucking read?
>>28824289So hes not going to post pics of his ground up k-member?I was looking forward to it. Never seen one without scars...
>>28822342I guarantee the only reason the block hasn't split along the valley is because of the main bearing girdle.I debated the AFRs vs Twisted Wedge for a couple months while i was building the bottom end. Pistons are flycut so I could have gone with the TW but in the end the AFR numbers just worked out better on paper for my build.I dont think I would have regretted either choice.And if we really want to start some chaos we can discuss the BBK SSI intake I topped it with...
Just put a 392 Hemi in it
>>28818335If you wanna go mpfi I have a redline torker manifold to suit a cleveland, it has bungs you can drill out for port injection. I was going to use it with an impco 425 on a holley base plate for propane but propane is no longer as common in my country as when I started planning the build.
>>28824520>BBK SSI intakewew, that's some nice jewelery. That's such a cool intake.
>>28824528It's pretty small volume for a single plane manifold too so it should do ok down low
>>28822041Oh another funny thing.I ran a big ass intercooler but because im only pushing 7psi I had major boost lag because that little GSS was compressing all that volume and basically did nothing up until I was ready to shift. Think about blowing up a balloon vs blowing up some giant Christmas lawn decoration.Santa's hat is still limp 2 minutes after his ass is inflated. Of course once I plumber it "correctly" it was insta-on.
>>28824662At 7lbs or maybe even less like 5lbs, do you really need an intercooler at all? >>28824621
>>28824714>do you really need an intercooler at all? No.And it actually killed my boost.If it would have been a longhauler semi than ya, I would have seen a benefit. But for wot and grabbing gears it sucked.Its also partially why im at 3280 for a fox body. I also drilled & tapped the GSS to run a remote cooler.
>>28824773>I also drilled & tapped the GSS to run a remote cooler.Got pics of where and what size tap and all that?
>>28824773Would a water-air charge cooler setup be an idea?
So is today the day I finally see an undamaged factory K-member?
>>28825093I was honestly playing the min/max numbers game at that point and its so little boost that an intercooler wont matter in the real world.>>28825069There are pump pickups/returns that use the dipstick orifice so you dont have to modify the case but I drilled&tapped it for whatever size line my cooler is- is forget exactly, its been awhile.I pulled the GSS to adjust it awhile back (havent gotten around to it) so I can get some pics if youre really interested.
>>28825536Yeah sure - here's one
>>28825860And here's a secondIf you're grinding yours all the time, you're also going to thrash your steering rack. And your shits too low, or you have some other sort of major problem like your springs and struts are shot.
>>28822697Yeah, if you want max HP go holley. But origAnon is not building for a billion gorillion quajerintzalillion hp.
>>28825809>There are pump pickups/returns that use the dipstick orifice so you dont have to modify the case but I drilled&tapped it for whatever size line my cooler is- is forget exactly, its been awhile. I bought one of those for my semi-stock flathead build, but...>I pulled the GSS to adjust it awhile back (havent gotten around to it) so I can get some pics if youre really interested.I'd really appreciate that as I've heard of it done, but none of the niggers on the facebook groups have pics posted of exactly where they drilled the case, or even what NPT fitting size. I'd appreciate it if you could eventually get to it and post as I want to do that cooling mod for my GSS as I intend to VR$ mod it, and could use the extra oil cooling capacity as ell as the direct shaft oiling location for the oil return port to drill so I can keep a constant cool oil flow to the impeller shaft. If you need to, post in /ccg/. I post there and monitor the thread very closely. It'd be much appreciated, mate.
>>28825921>>28825809And if you can use a ruler to show location...
>>28825860Alright class.If you observe this area here- the lowest part of the K-member- you can clearly see how its been ground to shit from decades of bottoming out.
>>28825864On this one you can literally see scrapes, dents and gouges.
>>28825938>>28825948>both leading edges are untouched>bolts that hold them in are untouched>hurr a little rust and jacking marksNTA but this is some pretty extreme cope Anon.
the holley sniper or w/e the fuck they call it now is the go to. it's great, i've had one on a jeep and a c10. works flawlessly.combined with digital ignition upgrade, it becomes a whole new engine.outside of that i'd megasquirt or w/e the hip new diy port injection is.
>>28818250Use a single plane 4150 style intake, with either throttle body or port injection. Don't bother with the 5.0 style intakes. They don't flow and they are also big and heavy.
>>28827137Explain whats in the circled area.
>>28827575I'll try to take a clearer picture tomorrow since you're so invested in this.The fact is, even if the k-member has been scraped once or twice over the cars 40+ year long life, that's a far cry from "I shoot sparks off the factory plate steel k-member all the time." which is the comment that started all this.
>>28827584Ive already proven your k-members are beat the fuck up.If I was doing a swap I wouldnt even touch that first piece of shit you posted, its actually ground up more than mine is.Youre a fucking retard and your weak ass attempt at damage control is pathetic.Go ahead and post more pics. Be sure to include the areas I highlighted and feel free to show the other damage thats questionable from your potato cam pics.
>>28827805dumb fucking nigger
>>28827575I already told you it looks like a jacking mark, if that was "bottoming out" why isn't the area around it scraped too Anon?>>28827805>Ive already proven your k-members are beat the fuck up.Lol, you're nitpicking a dent. Not even a scrape mark you insane retard. Post your k-member while you're at it.
>>28825069So umm.....I had planned on getting some nice pics & measurements for you today so I went out to the shop and walked over to the shelf where I totally remember putting the GSS (a couple months ago) and..... it wasnt there.I bought a bunch of new shelving units and rearranged the shop and forgot where I put the GSS. I looked real quick but didn't see it anywhere (which is frustrating because its not exactly small).Im heading out with a buddy to get some snowboarding in while the powder's still fresh but ill look again when I get a chance.And as im typing this I remembered where I put it. I wrapped it up and put it in the back of a cabinet so it didnt get scratched accidentally while I moved everything around.So ill get some pics when I have a chance.
>>28828004No worries, bruv. Take advantage while you can before it gets icy again.
>>28827867>he thinks a jack is going to cave in a plate steel k member.Ya youre officially retarded.Not figuratively but like medical definition of.No wonder it's so difficult to make you understand whats in your own fucking pictures.
>>28828343Those aren't my pictures retard, I already told you NTA. But you're kvetching about bottoming out when his k member has no scratches and you're hyper fixated on a dent. Can you just admit you were wrong already?
>>28828453Are you for real?One has actually been pierced.This one is caved in from impacts.LOOK AT THE FUCKING PIC.
>>28828486your shit dont run obv cause its bone dry
