Seriously considering one of these come spring. Both nearly base models, just heated seats, primarily as a daily. Haven't driven either yet, hopefully both are easy to heel-toe. Both have a manual parking brake, 6 speed manual, only interested in new to avoid thrashed used examples which are only marginally cheaper. I imagine these cars often lead rough lives. GR:F/R limited slipToyota hopefully reliabilityNice basic looking interior ( I like "crappy" interiors)Smaller, back seat too small for adults?Needs 18" wheels=expensive winter wheel setup. Tire rack was like 2k+. Most engine service looks easierClutch looks like a PITA to change versus a subaru IF that ever occurs, FWD layout AWD. Might need some slip to get the little 1.6L rolling though at 3200lb.Bigger brakes but also much more expensive to replace, supposedly very dustyWRX:Roomier trunk area?Easier to get used OEM wheels for snow tires, possibly sub 1500 for snow setup.No LSD anywhere, hopefully still excellent in the snow?Evil touchscreen for HVAC controls.Probably 7k less versus a GR with heated seatsSubaru "quality" - oil leaks, etc. I take very good care of vehicles so I would hope to have zero issues. Snow tires for the winter, it would be my daily unless I'm driving the Miata which doesn't see winter. Either car would see about 7k miles a year. I would plan on both staying stock. No tunes, intake, exhaust or other BS. Is a GR Corolla worth the extra money? 2026 WRX pricing is being reduced versus 2025, but the 0% for 72 months will likely go away as well. Anyone have a GR or WRX? It seems like the automotive press says the GR is the better drivers car, with the WRX being more practical? Resale looks good on both, but I don't swap cars frequently. Mainly looking for a replacement for my current daily, keep the manual but be a little more fun. GR originally caught my eye but it's hard to ignore the WRX for value.
Dont support goyota Base model WRX is returning for 2026You can probably get it under msrpGet a le tune and make 350hp easilyDont drive a 3 cylinder junk car.
>>28824629new cars is poop get a 90s mustang
>>28824629>hopefully both are easy to heel-toeThere's literally no reason to ever do this
>>28824635It's a shame they called that 90s abomination a "mustang", its absolutely hideous
>>28824629Don't buy either of these ricelet cars. WRX will have massive engine failure if you rev it at all. GR Corolla will catch fire if you drive it hard.
>>28824629I was playing around with a GR Corolla on the lake last weekend and I dunno. It could have been the shitty cross climates he had but I was having a lot more fun and drifting a fuck of a lot better in my 6500lb SUV. I really don't get using a WRX with 3'' of ground clearance as a daily in the winter. Both are pretty meh vehicles imo but to each their own.
>>28824633No heated seats in the base. Premium, which is the 2025 "base" package, looks like what is needed for heated seats in 2026 model year. It'll be around $35,000, which is about 3500 cheaper than a 2025 premium. I'm 35, old, and want heated seats for the winter. What's wrong with Goyota? Too reliable senpai?>>28824635Sucks ass in snow, no heated seats. I'd rather buy an LSD for the miata and go back to driving that in the snow if I wanted older and RWD. I currently have a manual hatch, and want heated seats and AWD.
>>28824648>reliabilitywrenchlet needs an idiotproof car kek just stick to econoboxes, son maybe a rav4also it's just embarrassing to drive a ducking 3 cylinder car.
>>28824637Auto-tragic drivers ITT >>28824647The GR and WRX are ~5.25" of ground clearance. My regular commuter is ~6". SUVs don't fit in my garage as it's built under my house. Winter performance is important but not enough to justify buying an automatic SUV for the 5 days a year it's improved over a hatchback with snow tires and a manual. CC2 were okay, prefer actual snow tires. Still good daily commuter tires though.
>>28824651I fix cars for a living, I don't want to work on it. It's not that I can't, I just really don't want to reseal a front timing cover. Produces zero joy for me anymore. Don't make your passion a career kids. I'll put an evaporator in either but I have zero interest in doing it in either vehicle.
>>28824657If it makes you feel better the WRX is easier to wrench on privately. More parts + older platform. Reliability is about the same, the GR hasn't shown any actual improvement over the WRX. Personally see more people with issues on stock GRCs than stock VB WRXs from joining the Facebook Group for both. GRCs have weak clutches and a few people are replacing them before 60k. Would also recommend you pick up a base model if you really don't need heated seats. 2025s have 0% for 72 months and 2026s are $32k. WRX is also bigger inside. Think 00s Accord/Legacy sized while Corolla is 00s Civic/Corolla sized. More pockets, cubbies, and even trunk space.
>>28824629I have a 2024 GRC Premium>easy to heel-toethe pedal spacing isn't a problem, but the throttle response can be sometimes. it's inconsistent, and there have been times where I blip the throttle a bit and don't get what I expected. in fact, that's the thing that I'm most surprised about with this car: it's actually not a very raw, connected drive at all. There's a ton of technology (iMT, collision warnings and other beepers, etc), very light steering, and the clutch + throttle are unlike any other car I've driven. I would not choose one of these to be a track toy, but I do think it serves well as a daily that kind of rips when you want it to>Smaller, back seat too small for adults?yeah probably. I have a car seat behind the passenger, but there's still enough space for someone to have decent leg room. the other rear seat is usually relegated to bags and misc cargo, but my wife fits back there too>Is a GR Corolla worth the extra money?It was for me. There are faster cars, and there are better handling/more connected driver's cars (but you already have a miata). We needed a new family car under warranty, and wanted something that would still be fun to drive. It's still a corolla, but it has all of the aftermarket stuff I could've hoped to do to a base hatchback and then some.
>>28824652>Auto-tragic drivers ITTYou can just blip the throttle like a normal person when rev matching a down shift. Heel toe is completely unnecessary.
>>28824629are you going to drive on a track or autocross? if not the differentials don't matter much, but you will feel the extra cylinder and 50% displacement the WRX has every time you drive itit also has a better seating position and visibilityon the other hand, the hatchback is more practicalI have a WRX and chose it over the Corolla mainly because of the seating position, I like to be low, upright and have the wheel close while being far back enough to have room for my legsthe WRX is good for this while in the Corolla you sit high up and it's kinda cramped like you'd expect from an econobox
Why the fuck would you buy new?
>>28824860OP is right, buying a used boyracer car is a very bad idea
>>28824629GR Corolla is only ever at risk if you let the dealers service your car. DON'T do that, personally it's not worth the risk on the off chance an intern is learning manual with your car or some dip shit left a cap loose. The car is smaller, and the raised trunk floor + sloped body line does mean less cargo space. Rear seats is going to be tough for some adults. G16 is happy in the middle, but yes it does lack torque on the low end. You might want to look into pedal extension to help with toe heel. Switch out for a set of Endless SSM Plus for low brake dust. As far as packages go, the F/R LSDs are a must, but the heated steering wheel is pretty useless (small zones + only warm for a little while), and the JBL 8 speaker sounds like shit especially the rear ones. Otherwise, you're getting a great drivers car and has godly grip in the snow (with snow tires). With WRX you are getting most of GRC but for considerably less money at least in the early model year.
>>28824861I just don't have faith in post COVID cars especially. I'm not saying get something made in like 2009 but brand new you don't even know what the potential defects could be
>>28824707That's a good frame of reference for size. I did see the reports of clutch failures but assumed that was from aggressive launches and generally poor manual skills. Main concern is just oil leaks on the Subaru, cam towers, timing cover, etc. We have a decent number of fa24 customers and that's my main issue with the car, but they don't maintain them great.>>28824807I think a lot of cars with electronic throttle are like that. Inconsistent is the perfect way to describe it. My assumption was both would suffer that to a degree. Thank you for actual owner experence. >>28824841Won't track, unlikely to autox. I might start doing so in the Miata again. The LSD makes a bug difference in the snow, I daily drove NA/NBs in the snow with a torsen and they were great. Much better than my current FWD manual hatchback fail driver. The torque curve looks much more DD friendly on the Subaru.>>28824864I would be terrified some lube tech would be slipping the clutch at 3k or doing pulls in the back parking lot. It would only see Toyota or Subaru for a significant warranty issue. Appreciate the snow info, I have to imagine it's an animal in the snow with the torsens.
>>28824993>The LSD makes a bug difference in the snow, I daily drove NA/NBs in the snow with a torsen and they were great. Much better than my current FWD manual hatchback fail driver.Not in an AWD car. The subie has a viscous center diff and can brake torque the wheels if they are slippingI have winter tires on mine and have never been close to getting stuck even going uphill on icy hard packed snow or plowing through inches of fresh snow
>>28825195Didn't know they had a center diff which allowed that. Thank you for the info. My ASSumption was there was no center diff fanciness, just open front and rear. That sounds like it's better than my expectation. Most of the Subaru vehicles I drive are impressive but my belief was having Torsens front and rear would be superior. As much grip as the Subarus have maybe it would be irrelevant.
Does the GR Corolla actually have Toyota reliability with its weird engine?Been going back and forth between these as well, but my heart thinks the GR is cooler.
>>28825357Toyota hasn't been reliable since the 2010s.
Oh look. Another "I want to buy a car thread"
>>28825349every single AWD car has some kind of center lsd or electronic clutch since AWD performs way worse without itthe invention of the torsen diff allowing Audi to replace a locking transfer case with a maintenence and chatter-free center lsd is basically what led to widespread AWD in carsthe GR corolla is technically more capable AWD than the VB WRX but it's mostly for track performance, not off road or bad weatherhere's a roller test video of the WRX: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hph1xo6gDUsit only struggles with the 3 wheel slip test and even then is able to get some movement even if it can't get off the rollersthe GR corolla here performs better when the grip wheel is in the front (since it's FWD based) but the same when it's in the rear since the torsens can't truly lock like a clutch pack and will still slip when there's zero grip on one sidehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On5ZAYJyQNI
>>28825452Great info, thank you for the videos. In my miata I would preload the parking brake slightly to help the torsen in very bad starting conditions. Used it a few times a year in really deep snow then disengaged once rolling. It sounds like the Subaru AWD is much better than I expected initially.
>>28824707>>28824993>GRCs have weak clutches and a few people are replacing them before 60k.GRC doesn't necessarily have weak clutches. It's specifically the early batches from 2023 but Goyota changed it like a year in. Not counting user error and abuse.>Personally see more people with issues on stock GRCsAnd majority of issues you find on Facebook and Reddit are most likely error codes from installing aftermarket intakes, or aftermarket exhausts, more specifically they fucked something up with the center valve sensor. Fucking up mods is user error really.>I would be terrified some lube tech would be slipping the clutch at 3kThe funny thing is GRC is a beginner friendly car where on bite point it automatically adds (mostly) sufficient throttle for you to get moving assuming you're on flat ground, so adding excessive throttle and wearing your clutch is should be unnecessary. The only time I need to give it some oomph while on the clutch is when I need to take off from a pile of snow or up a steeper incline.Also, I agree that throttle response can sometimes feel disconnected for half a beat even when on sport mode where the throttle is supposed to be tight.
>>28825357>Does the GR Corolla actually have Toyota reliability with its weird engine?It's impossible to tell right now. To me, the Toyota reliability meme means you abuse and neglect the car and somehow it still lives on. I would not dare do either of those with mine. I wouldn't lie to anyone that a modern Toyota is anywhere near bullet proof. GRC is not an objectively best car, it's a cool and special car. Although it might be true that GRC has the best grip and confidence in crazy weather conditions.
>>28825414On the car board? Say it ain't so.
>>28825775I did see the number of clutch complaints on the GR seemed to wane over time. I have to imagine all manual cars have noobs smoking clutches and claiming poor quality materials. I'm an adult now so no clutch abuse for me. Revmatched downshifts and no launches.
>>28825784Inverted kitty. whoops
>>28825783Weird how we get a "I want to buy a car" thread every day and "I bought a car" is basically non-existent.
>>28825802Prospect buyers want to hear from people who actually own the cars for non shitpost opinions. Once you buy the car, you don't need /o/'s approval. /o/ would tell you the car you own is shit anyway. The only time I've ever seen a car get universally toasted to on here is a viper.
>>28824629>comparing a car that spontaneously combusts without warranty coverage to a car that has an engine with less reliability than a rotary driven by a womanThe GR looks better. The new subie just looks dumb imo. Plastics were a horrible choice, both inside and out. If you are trying to go for speed, presence, style, etc. you should be looking at 90's to early 2000's vehicles and spending a little extra to bring the car back to current maintenance and reliability. >>28825802Having a car gives one new life to live off of electronics. And usually involves extra hours at work.
>>28825833>>28825839lol cope. It's all larping. You don't need to show proof you bought a car if you're "going to buy one".It gives the same dopamine hit as fat people who says they're going to "go on a diet"
>>28825839Just spent about 3k on tires, dampers, and a full engine bay redo on my "new" low mileage NB miata. I won't drive it in the snow because it's rust free, has no LSD, and I don't want it wrecked into. This thread is about a fun daily with some practicality and the Miata will get driven ~25% of the time. I thought about modifying the NB significantly but I've done that before and don't revel in the hassle anymore. Some nice dampers and I'm happy with it mostly stock. I fix stuff all day so I really don't get excited to wrench on project cars on my days off. Due to PA winter I can't do anything for at least 6 more weeks until the temp comes up. All the WRXs local have the Dunlop summer tires, and the high was 12F today (no local GR inventory currently). Even if I got a clear day to test drive I don't want to immediately need winter wheels/tires as it's the daily. I'm trying to do a lot of research to hit the ground running and possibly grab a 2025 WRX if they extend the 0% for 60 months. The idea is ~10k down, plus my old car worth around 11k. Unless I get 0% in which case I'd just trade in and deal with a higher payment. Maybe I'll repost my cat and a car if this all works out come spring. I'm legitimately concerned about limited inventory of the GR making it a non-option, currently there's a single automatic black GR local. No black, no autos, no inventory for me. Anons here have me thinking the WRX AWD will still be excellent, but I'm concerned about the screen. Still would need to drive both. Hard to find a sporty, manual, non-FWD car.
>>28825841>lol cope>It's all larping.If OP is larping, that's fine, but that doesn't make either comment you responded to less true or relevant.
>>28825934Both of your cars you list are not practical. You need to use premix in a Subaru WRX because of oil distribution issues, and you will still have to rebuild it down the road far earlier than should be reasonable. The GR I think is good, it just sucks that if you change the tires, you "void the warranty" and the engine explodes.
>>28825934>Anons here have me thinking the WRX AWD will still be excellent, but I'm concerned about the screenI don't mind the screen but I only use it for navigation and playing music off a usb drive. If you connect your phone for everything the lagginess might be more annoying
>>28825956>You need to use premix in a Subaru WRX because of oil distribution issuesthat's absolutely retarded, WRXs have had scavenge pumps since the FAs. FA24 is used in a 5000lb cvt explorer sized crossover with a 6000lb tow rating since 2019. all they did was change the cams/valve springs for more revs and put it in the 3400lb wrx >>28825934whatever you get just get a extended factory warranty.
>>28826057>music off a usb drive.cripes anon were you buried under giza and brought back to life?
>>28826088It was a mystical time when people owned a catalogue of music instead of relying on streaming services.
>>28826057I usually don't listen to the radio much. My only real concern is the HVAC controls. If I want music I put it on my phone and drop it in the cup holder.
>>28824629The GRC needs a throttle spacer to heel toe. But it's easy.It's way better than WRX in every metric except maybe price though? I love mine.
>>28825934>I'm legitimately concerned about limited inventory of the GR making it a non-optionI did have to fly n' drive mine. My local Toyota dealer is a crack house filled with parasitic sales demons with no interest in the actual cars they sell. That being said I am not worried at all about finding a buyer if I want to sell eventually
>>28826611A couple of things though:As mentioned by a different anon, don't ever go to the dealer. Ever. They are massive retards. Don't buy this car unless you're comfortable doing all the factory maintenance yourself. So have a friend with a lift or be a mechanic. It's not hard. You can find the info online.Upgrade the pitch mount immediately. Without a stiff mount, there's massive rev hang between 2nd and 3rd gear. I also experienced weird shuddering taking off uphill before upgrading the mount.If you are looking for more power, you can safely and reliably (don't listen to retards who say they blow up. It's like 2 out of thousands.) hit 300 wheel with an intake and tune. Like 315 with downpipe as well. More with e85. But beyond that it takes engine work. You NEED to do valve springs on this platform. That's the achilles heel of the g16e. So. If you want CHEAP power than buy the WRX. The g16e is almost at its limit before needing the big stuff. There are people in Australia pushing like 700-800 horsepower on built engines. But your street car won't do that unless you spend a shit ton on internals, and upgraded turbos and intercoolers. But it's a great daily.Suspension is very stiff from the factory if you're used to normal Corolla. Currently looking at the tein flex z coilovers with the edfc module to control damping in the car to make it softer on the street. You really do feel every pebble and bump in the road.Oh yeah the stock pilot sport 4s are terrible in the winter if it gets below freezing. Like actually horrendous. They are summer tires. So budget for new tires your first year if you're in a cold climate.
>>28826611>It's way better than WRX in every metric except maybe price thoughthe WRX is a better street car. More comfortable, easier to make power, easier to mod/maintain overall. It just can't keep up on a track because of he simple AWD system and small brakes.
>>28826632Am mechanic, so no issue repairing it unless it need J2534 programming. Maybe I would just buy a Mongoose if it was something straight forward. Or is a PITA job obviously under warranty. I wouldn't be modifying the engine at all, maybe suspension at some point. Either car would get snow tires come winter.Did your torque mount fail, or you just feel the need to replace due to stock performance or lack thereof?>>28826648This is generally what I read. WRX seems much easier to work on UNLESS it needs cam towers resealed.
>mafshit>mcdonalds>less power than a v6 challenger
>>28827107both make more power than the chally wally with a tune, are lighter and come with manual transmissionsif you want double wishbones and a zf8, buy a guilia (aka the only good stellantis product)
>>28827001Having worked on both, it's physically way easier to work on the GRC. But there's a GR tax. So parts are way more expensive on GRC. And the mount didn't fail, it's just too soft and not confidence inspiring. Best mod by far in my opinion for driving feel.
>>28826632>suspension is very stiff from the factoryoh yeah, this also reminds me: if you test drive one and absolutely if you buy, check the suspension for those rubber shipping blocks. so many people are finding out the reason their ride is so surprisingly stiff is because the dealer did not remove them. some are even reporting being handed the keys with tires at 50psi. my pressure was fine, but I definitely extracted two blocks from the front when I got home. incredible stuff
>>28824629jap scrap
>>28827257I appreciate the real world experience Anon. I think my heart wants the GR, but the WRX is cheaper and more practical. I hope inventory exists so I can really test drive both. Did you buy inventory off the lot or order one?>>28827287It seems like a lot of reports of those blocks! Not sure if they can be seen through the spokes or the wheel gap with the fender to confirm they've been removed prior to a test drive. Terrible that's not getting caught in PDI.
>>28826632>spend $50k on a fucking Corolla>they can't even prep it for sale properly
>>28824860Never buy a used WRX, they've all been abused.
>>28827303actually I was looking at a used one and the guy wanted more than MSRP for it so I was gonna walk out but they said "wait" and gave me a different guys allocation... For the same price quoted on the used one. Could have been some Chinese jedi mind sorcery to make me buy but it worked and im satisfied with MSRP for a premium edition>>28827287Mine didn't come with shipping blocks luckily but I was probably one of the people online bitching about how my tires were at 50psi. I posted online about it before I got home
>>28827307We're getting deep in the rabbit hole but first model year cars that had the larger rear wing would theoretically cause some instability at very high speeds so Toyota blocked the front corner vents. The alleged instability was fixed for the second model year but due to PDI instruction fuck up, they kept blocking the the front side vents. Most people would not know the story to this unless explained to. Anyway the blocked piece is just a piece of plastic with adhesive so I yanked that shit out. Moral of the story is Toyota's North America company can be utter fucking retards sometimes, like their warranty department.
>>28825802I bought one in 21 23 and 24. Why do I need to buy one in 25 or 26, faggot?
>>28827303>Not sure if they can be seen through the spokes or the wheel gap with the fenderLuckily they're not hard to spot, especially with a phone camera and some light. I have heard of them swiveling their way out of sight if the car's been driven a bit with them on though.At first I didn't think it would make a huge difference, but then I tested a speed bump and realized this could be why so many early reviewers thought the ride was so remarkably harsh. It's still stiffer than average, but bumps don't make my teeth hurt anymore
RS3
The WRX is low, I have a va. It's less practical than a standard shit box on winters
>>28827476 Thanks anon I will be on the lookout for those. Has to ride like complete garabge with half the travel locked solid.>>28827505Is there a tradeoff for the AWD? Sure the bumper is a plow 1 inch sooner than my current car but I have more traction to push through.
Idk shit about new cars but that is one adorable cat OP. I hope you two have lots of cuddles.
Both "cars" are ugly slow gay weeblet ricelet stancelet slowfaglet boyracelet bullshits godsDAMN
>>28827794She's the prettiest princess
>>28824657Oh man I know that feel all too well. It's doubly shitty too because once you've worked in a shop with lifts, air, all of the specialty tools, etc. the idea of crawling around under a car on jackstands makes me want to kill myself. I'm fine wrenching on my own bike and maybe someday I'll have a project car but I never want to do routine shit on my DD ever again.
>>28827107>slower than a front-wheel-drive, open diff, Macdonalds GolfTruly humiliating.
>>28828041It was a nice change of pace to do my NB maintenance. Full cooling system, less heater core, timing belt water pump, coilovers. Every hose and clamp OEM, all my choices for parts, no time component. I have all my tools at work to bring home if needed and I have basically anything I could ever need. Just do the work. Still dislike a lot of what I do anymore, just jaded really,but stuff like that is a glimmer of what it used to be. Remember that anon? Jackstands, cardboard creepers, and the car. I have been working on this - divorcing the process of work and the limitations and constraints of that, with the actual.work of fixing the cars. Really it's the people I'm tired of, the general public and their terrible car habits. Hope you find your passion again anon. I really want to find mine again.
WRX just for the new purple color, you can get it in lower trims too
>>28828491>purple WRX>yellow BRZSubaru doing what Toyotacan't. And I own a GRC.
>>28828491wrxs have terrible interiors and are simply too slow to daily (let alone be fun)https://youtu.be/9d3MdqMFSmI?t=638>tastelet fag lives where it snows>owns a gay miata and gay wrx because tastelet>wrx is TOO SLOW LOLThe recommendation?>"E90 335i xdrive">"fuck yeah!">"'300ish horsepower'--more like 350">"rear biased gay-wheel drive system that allows you to be sideways at all times and helps you hold drifts">"and a manual">"I'm not one for turbo cars, but that N54 was fuckin' INSANE. That was a GREAT engine">"I wouldn't [recommend a wrx]; they're just too fuckin LAGGY"
>>28828531Its fucking insane how GR corolla had such basic color options
>>28828560I own a smurf blue circuit edition so I don't ever feel bitter about colors. However the body and panel lines of this car begs for metallic paint so I admit heavy metal is the more fitting hero color for this car instead of my bold vibrant but flat paint.
>>28828560I should mention that the new GR Yaris Morizo RR and unannounced GRMN Corolla have a new paint called Gravel Khaki which is... just a cool (as in a pinch of blue) nardo grey with bronze wheels. They really don't want these cars to have exciting colors like ND Miata.
>>28824629I’m a Hondafag personally, but the GR Corolla is such an ugly piece of shit that I would buy the WRX based on that alone. Toyota can’t build a real sports car without Subaru or BMW’s help, so why would you buy a plastic 3-cylinder econobox from them?>muh Toyota reliabilityDo you really think a bespoke turbocharged 3 pot engine is going to have that kind of longevity, or be cheap to fix when it eventually does break?
>>28824629Do cars not have auto blipper kits yet?
>>28828687GR has it, "intellegent manual transmission" button. Being I can already do it myself I don't see a high likelihood of using it, outside initial novelty to see it work. I consider heel-toe downshifts part of the fun. Rev matching under braking is also very convinent. Not sure how so many people manage to drive around without knowing how to do it being that it isn't that difficult to learn. Like someone mentioned above the hardest part is dealing with an electric throttle which may be inconsistent.
>>28824633Don't support shitty 3 and 4cylinderlet economy car companiesSee >>28828535
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>>28825414Guess you can skip this one.
Loved my 2019 WRX when I had it. Did a few bullshit mods and had a tune on it. Comfortable to drive, really good in the snow and wet. For a daily driver its great, for any kind of fun? I dunno it felt like driving my wifes crossover. Outside of it feeling as numb as a people mover crossover I also found the interior to be really loud at highway speeds with wind and road noise. Ended up trading it in for a V8 Mustang since I'm in a position to have a summer car now. If used cars ever come down again i'd love to get a WRX as a beater, but it's not fun enough to be a fun car.
>>28829225Thanks for the data point. For me these cars aren't about pure fun, it's the "fun daily" category. My current vehicle has poor wind noise, but I will compare that on these cars.
