why didn't propane cars catch on?
Overly taxed, here in Oz.
>>28836081why botherwho caresgas/diesel/electric are the only things that make rational senseeverything else is a distraction
Like half of Europe drives on LNG, the other half cucked its people from cheap fuels one way or another, usually by taxing it to death.
>>28836083Plus nigh impossible to fill your tank up on a 40c day due to pressure.
>>28836081they probably blow up or something
>>28836106Only if they were fitted by some random east yuropoorian monkey. The "no LPG vehicles" thing in underground parking is because the parking owners can't be assed to install a proper ventilation system.
>>28836090What kind of desert shithole do you live in?
>>28836123Australia
>>28836088>Like half of Europe drives on LNGwhat reality lol ?LNG cars are one in a 1000, most of them are US pick up truck who's owner are such gigantic fags they cannot afford regular gas for >>28836081the reason LNG failed is because building new infrastructure is expensive so there are fewer places to fill up so not attractive for buyers and the HP penalty that come with converting to LNG
>>28836274Only LNG vehicles I see in the states are CMVs, and usually only Amazon trucks or yard dogs.
>>28836274This reality, LNG is a big thing in eastern europe especially
>>28836081>>28836083Better suited for hydrogen vehicles.
>>28836081>why didn't propane cars catch on?WM garbage trucks run on salvaged natural gas from their waste operations. You'd never know because it looks no different than a regular truck. They just put some small token decal on it and call it a day.
Most people can't even pull up to a fucking gas pump and put the proper fuel in their vehicle. You really think they'd be able to hook up propane fill hoses and vent the vapor off without killing themselves and everyone around them? Propane is a pain in the ass and can be time consuming to fill. Plus you get less power out of it over gasoline.
>Road Ranger truck>Runs on propaneThose trucks routinely get ran into by inattentive drivers. How is this safer than gasoline?
>>28836083It was so good in the 90's, almost every cheap car had and just about all taxis. LPG would be 25 to 35 cents and petrol could be 70 to 80. They would charge you probably $1000 to install it but you could go to the junkyard and get an old tank and install it super cheap. Now its over taxed and they sell it to China for a pittance.
Because it's an actual fuel only in the third world.
I drive propane and propane accessories.
>why didn't propane cars catch on?
>>28836081Propane and natural gas engines are pretty sweet for industrial applications. All of our 454 well water pumps were powered by natural gas. you could change the oil once a year and the oil was still perfectly clear.Inside of the engine was also spotless. No carbon buildup no sludge no nothing.
>>28836123>40C>desertI fucking wish we didn't have 60% relative humidity here when it was 40C.
propane offers little advantage other than tax (where applicable), while not requiring too much modifications. Pretty common retrofit for american cars, Dacia still offers it from factory. There are extra legal maintenance requirements though.methane is cheaper (also tax dependend but less so) and burns pretty cleanly, but it's not so simple to liquefy so storage is in 200 bar tanks which sucks. There's been a few models on the market (Opel, VW, Mercedes, probably more), but they're dieing off because as it turns out the tanks aren't typically lifetime, nor are they cheap.
>>28836081It did from the 70s to the 90s but not so much since.
>>28836493This. The logistics of refueling with LPG works against the advantages it has. You'd have to go back to full serve stations, til a standardized (mostly) idiot proof coupler could be developed.Even then niggers and jeets would still be blowing up entire stations or city blocks nogging about with compressed LPG, trying to get high off it or some bullshit.
it did in australia for a while, the government had subsidies for conversions and ford/toyota sold factory LPG cars.the green top LPG barra engines are the favourite choice for turbo conversions since they are built to withstand the extra power/heat.
>>28836081because people are too careless around things like propane
>>28836081Barely anywhere to fill up.If you run out of fuel you are fucked.
>>28836081Availability of fueling options really. I have to go to a bus station to fill up my civic. Absolutely worth it in California though. I only pay $2 a gallon and get 40mpg
>>28837119Wound up on a tow truck because of this one time. Went out to lake Havasu and the gas station i normally filled up at no longer existed so i had to get towed to the next nearest gas station because i didn't have enough range to get to the next station
>>28836742Damn…
>>28836742wasn't that cng?
>>28836081Pretty much all the school buses and most of the UPS delivery trucks here run on propane. It makes sense for them because they can have a tanker truck come by at night and refuel the entire fleet. It sucks for everything else.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c96EmgWD004
>>28836081When they were still a thing, many garages didn't allow them in (propane is heavier than air and fills the garage in case of a leak), so people saw the signs and avoided buying them.
>>28836498>Now its over taxed and they sell it to China for a pittance.this
>>28836081They did in industrial setting where an ICE is ran indoors like fork lifts and loaders.
>>28836742>BestGore.com Man, the times when you could go to Ogrish, Rotten, BestGore, Liveleak and find vast amounts of videos of people getting yeetus deletus in varous accidents... My pet schizo conspiracy theory is that the CCP lobbied hard for their shutdown, due to the massive number of industrial accident and vehicular manslaughter clips which ended uploaded there.
>>28836800>propane offers little advantage other than tax In some places (East Yuropooria), LPG is half the price of gasoline. With mileage being only 10% lower, you're coming ahead on economy. >Dacia still offers it from factory. Their highest level power unit, the 4x4 Hybrid-G 150 engine, is naturally bifuel (and features a 2-speed gearbox on the electric motor, making Renault the first carmaker to offer a multi-speed electric gearbox on a low-cost powerplant).
>>28837260LPG is more than just propane.
>>28837263Yes, I know, it's a mixture of gases obtained as a byproduct of oil production (thus the name, Liquified Petroleum Gas), hence is why it's cheaper than pure propane (which has to be further refined from said mixture).
Is it true that long term maintenance costs are a problem due to less lubrication with no liquid fuels? Or is that FUD lore?
>>28836081I have natural gas at home and looked into an CNG car so I could fuel at home. The CNG fuel compressor is several thousand dollars and it'd take like 8 hours to refuel.
>>28837546Considering this for myself and i have a CNG car. As far as im concerned it's future proofing just in case the CNG station near me gets shut down. Although i need to find a way to replace my tank when the time comes. The manufacturer for the tank says they expire after 25 years so i have some time still
I wonder if they would have been received more favorably if they had purpose-built platforms. Obviously that was never going to happen, but it's tough when you lose half your trunk to the tank.If a more ground up platform existed that maybe packaged the tanks better like running down the middle of the car, maybe it would have been more appealing.
>>28836081Refiling or exchanging the propane tank on my BBQ is a pain in my dick. Fuck doing that rigmarole to refuel a vehicle.
the cost for home filling stations is significantly more expensive than a home charging unit for an EV. and assuming you have a retail station available, i don't think you save that much compared to gasoline.
>>28836081My all powerful powerful opel corsa has an aftermarket LPG system. No idea what are you talking about.
>>28836081>why didn't propane cars catch on fire?anyone?
>>28836493>Most people can't even pull up to a fucking gas pump and put the proper fuel in their vehicle.Go outside.
>>28837020>>28836742This is a big reason. If you can't trust Shaquan'da to change the oil in her Altima, would you trust her to maintain a fueling system with a highly pressurized vessel of compressible fluid that would explode like a bomb if compromised?
>>28836088In terms of LNG/LPG you are thinking of Brazil bro
>>28836081>tanks require periodic inspections>causes horsepower drop>not even that much cheaper than gasoline
>>28836081Because the average driver can't into safe handling of pressurized LNG, so they would have to go back to paying someone to pump fuel for them. People hate paying for labor.
>>28840925>>Most people can't even pull up to a fucking gas pump and put the proper fuel in their vehicle.>Go outside.go to costco some time and look at the number of retards who cant even pull up to the correct pump and instead have to stretch the fuel hose across the car, blocking the lane between the pumps so other cars cant get through. its like 3/5th of people are this retarded
>>28837513It depends which part of the engine you are talking about. I found it hardly darkened the oil between changes but it wore out the valves / valve stem seals faster. Burns smoother but has less torque.
>>28842765>t. has no experience with the real world
no infrastructure for it in quantity, really. It's the same reason natural gas or hydrogen hasn't taken off either.
Op are you a road ranger too?
>>28840925How many people end up putting gas in their diesel or DEF in their fuel tank and do you trust these people to properly handle and fill propane tanks in your immediate vicinity?
>>28842765>its like 3/5th of people are this retardedUnderrated chuckle.The only people I've seen in the states with propane setups are hardcore offroaders, who like it because you get consistent fuel flow no matter what angle the truck is at.>>28837142How many gallons to a fill-up? How many miles do you get between fills? Fucking cool set up. Lose weight btw.
>>28837208Yes, that's right. LPG tank in a car is going to be in the 100-200PSI range, a normal CNG tank is pushing 3600PSI. This is becoming a regular occurrence in Brazil.
>>28836081Because the government let's foreign companies extract it and sell it at 3 cents per litre overseas while we pay absurd amounts for it. LPG was always the future there is more of it than oil and that reality wasnt good for business so only 3rd world shitholes get cheap fuel.
