Are Crosstreks actually off road capable? Or is it just Subaru advertising
Yes. They're not for rock climbing but off-road pretty well. Add an LSD in the rear for added traction.
>>28840593The people who continue to give verbal brlowjobs to subarus for off-roading never really go off road, they're people who drive on gravel roads on national parks. Which being fair they're sometimes not as well maintained as they should be.They're an ok and cheap alternative to awd/4wd suvs or trucks, good on an emergency, but if you're gonna be out inna woods on a regular basis you're better off with a truck or a bigger suv.
>>28840612Weren't the WRC Imprezas heavily race-prepped with active differentials and everything?
>>28840649Anon, we're talking about Crosstreks here. They obviously do NOT have any of the shit you listed.Comparing a Rally Subaru with a Crosstrek is about as insane as comparing a formula 1 Mercedes with a C Class.
Just look at them offroading on youtube, they're quite good at everything but going over large obstacles or really extreme angles. They'll climb up sand hills that 4x4s with lockers cannot.
>>28840593Everyone who has one says they're gutless and can barely climb a steep paved road to get to a trailheadIf literally any (real) manufacturer could make a vehicle in this form factor but with 300 ponies and a real transmission I would gobble it up in an instant
>>28840593does anyone have that letter from the feds where a subaru driver was threatened a hefty fine for driving on a "4x4 only" trail
>>28840604retard
>>28840895Retard. These actually are good at offroading. The proof is in the pudding and there are tons of vids of them with a lift and tires doing well, just not over the larger obstacles. I've had a manual one, I've also had 2 wranglers which are better at it. The outback will destroy some cuckover "sporty" fake awd crossover on macphersons.
>>28840593Subaru's AWD is legit good and Crosstreks are actually pretty decent offroad unless you're doing something extreme.
>>28840593It has a belt-type CVT. The only off-roading it can do is gentle dirt or gravel roads
>>28841208Through '23 they came with a 6-speed manual and the better AWD setup that only their manuals get (but not as good as the STi one).
>>28840593They're better than their detractors claim.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmBibFdMIRU
>>28841247That looks like an old forrester
>>28841262It is. And their AWD systems haven't changed much since but are slightly better now.The old Forester was on the Impreza chassis with the Impreza drivetrain, so is the Crosstrek (which used to be the outback sport trim for Imprezas until they made it its own model).Subaru works on a modular basis, most of their cars are variations on the same design. Or at least they used to, I stopped giving a shit about new stuff a decade ago.NTA but here's a longer version of that vid:https://youtu.be/t4FrZtyNsCU
>>28841266I assume the AWD systems on Forresters and Crosstreks are a bit different
>>28841301A bit different, maybe. But Subaru, again, is modular. In the '00s the Forester XT had the same chassis, transmission, and AWD drivetrain as the WRX and the pre-crosstrek (outback sport) was just a lifted trim of the Impreza, but was itself an Impreza.This isn't like other companies that may share a parts bin, Subaru just makes 2-4 setups that they change stuff on for different models.
>>28840593My dad has an outback wilderness that he wheels the ever living shit out of. he takes it on trails that it has no business being on, flexes it out and gets it on 3 and even 2 wheels at times. it makes it up them no problem, the things his lacks bad are approach, departure and crossover angles as well as no low gears. it also has a shit CVT that he has overheated a half dozen times and it doesn't warn you about temperature until its way, way too hot and the fluid is black. it should say its overheating like 20 or 30 degrees lower, not when its actually cooked. i should mention the trails he goes on can be done with my tacoma in 2WD
https://www.youtube.com/watch/hcYMGNjgRhE9 sec long, everything is in the last half.
https://youtu.be/_RafVwMjOKY
>>28840593No and Yes.
>>28841381>be me>want to go mudding>spend a bunch of money on bumpers and lightbars and snorkels>locking diff? whats that?
>>28840593a properly set up subaru can handle anything besides extreme rock crawling or really deep mud where the ground clearance and approach angles become an issue
Let's see your Range Rover do this:https://youtu.be/RkU7nKa0kik
>>28841499A Honda Goldwing or a Harley can "handle" most dirt bike trails. That doesn't mean that's smart or using the right tool for the job. >>28841511I do that in my 7' tall SUV all the time. I've had 12'+ tall 5 ton box trucks sideways on many occasions. Lifting and adding a fuckload of unsprung mass to a car is going to destroy what semblance of handling it had so it's pretty stupid to use handing as an argument.
>>28841514Yeah, but do you see how he controls slip angle with the throttle on long corners?I can slide intersections all the way through in the rain in a '90s automatuc Suburban 2500. But there's nuance in that vid. I've had an STi, you absolutely steer with the throttle and it happens quickly.BTW I don't own a subaru anymore and don't intend to but they really have their shit together. Mechanical systems are simpler, cheaper, easier to work on, and [most-importantly] are consistent.
>>28841514>A Honda Goldwing or a Harley can "handle" most dirt bike trails. That doesn't mean that's smart or using the right tool for the job.a crosstrek is more like a cheap adventure bike than a goldwingnot as good offroad as a real dirtbike, but better manners on road
>>28841514>>28841499>A Honda Goldwing or a Harley can "handle" most dirt bike trails. That doesn't mean that's smart or using the right tool for the job.https://youtu.be/TmBibFdMIRU
>>28841517I've spent thousands of hours of ice and snow time with my 2000's 2500 Suburban. In low traction aggressive situations all your steering is done with the gas pedal just like the Subaru. A Suburban's f/r weight distro is a lot closer to 50/50 than a WRX/STI's. The moar you know.
>>28841529You're right, you usually steer with the throttle in RWD/AWD/4WD cars in such situations. But there are few cars that do it so consistently and with such "grace" as manual Subarus. You have no fear that the scandi flick might not work this time, you absolutely trust your car will do what you tell it to without you having to adapt for wonkiness mid-slide.
>blah blah proper 4wd blah blah lifted truck blah blah I reject modernity and return to tradition. Subaru used to have a "real 4wd" transmission (pic slightly related, not crosstrek) but then everyone's definition of a "real 4wd" is different. My 81 soob has a 91 dual range gearbox, no center diff and an aftermarket locking rear diff. Is it still not a "real 4wd" simply because it has independent front and rear suspension? Most nu fourbies and trucks have independent fronts, Pajero has independent F and R, so is that not a "real 4wd" ? Semantics and missing the point. Subie fags do what they do not because its the right tool for the job, but because it is fun, and different. My car never fails to impress both me and complete strangers because it shouldn't be able to do what it does, but I can get through stuff "real 4wds" get stuck in (pic slightly related, I got through this but the Jeep got stuck) Now I lost my train of thought...oh right, if it feels good, do it.
>>28841529STis have front/center/rear locking diffs too while a Suburban likely only has a rear locker if that. Its also 2000lbs lighter negating the weight distribution (why stuff like Jimnys and XJ Cherokees are so capable).
>>28841538Yes. That's why.Subarus are symmetrical full-time AWD.That means the driveshaft is straight down the center of the car and the axles are equal lengths left/right. There's no transfer case, there aren't 90deg turns to move torque to the front wheels.It feels consistent as fuck. I like to drive hard and live so I drive solely Imprezas and Miatas. They do what I tell them to, every time. There's no worry that maybe it'll swing back the other direction, they are consistent. If your car isn't consistent you won't take risks and will just shitpost about specs someone else got on 4chan.
>>28840593They're an Imprezza with a lift kit, big tyres, some bash plates and better tow rating.Which is really more than enough to handle shit roads with big potholes, the odd washout and poor surfaces (some mud, wet grass, gravel). I'd probably avoid beaches, sand and expecting it to do much on some really stupid trails but they're not a bad car with some pretty good.equipment and the interiors are improving by Subaru standards. They are not a proper 4wd by any stretch, there's no low range and the awd system is viscous coupling which can get a bit weird if they're severely overheated.
>>28841538One thing about STis, since they have 3 lsds (2 clutch type). They start getting "choppy" on the street at low-speed. I had a new STi at one point and doing a U-turn at low speeds without sliding it feels "chunky" as if the clutches lose and regain grip at regular intervals. Miatas with gear-type Torsen LSDs are smoother on the road.
>>28841538I got a locking rear that always leaves 11's in the turns and you don't drift in 4hi so the open front diff is irrelevant. Also try 3000lbs lighter lol. Yet I can drift better than the WRX/ STI's on the ice track.
>>28840593Maybe. Depends on the driver, tires and picking the right line mostly.>>28841538>>28841545Depends on the years, up to 06 the STI used viscus or clutch type diffs in the front and rear, after 06 they have torsens front and rear. All post 2000 STI's have a more or less open planetary center diff that uses an electromagnet and clutch pack to vary the amount up to full front rear lock. The WRX had a limited slip rear diff until 2006, with an open front diff. After 07 they all went to open front and rear. All wrx and manual Impreza/Crosstreks have a viscus coupling center diff. The automatics are a little different, some use clutch type center diffs and some use viscus couplings. Also the 2015+ sti's and other newer Subarus 2022+ have brake based torque vectoring in their traction control to minimize ultra low traction wheel spin with the open diffs and torsens. The manuals also have handbrakes you can use for a similar purpose if traction control is being too restrictive and cutting power. The manual Crosstreks specifically also have a shorter crawler gear if I remember correctly. The WRX/STI/Impreza manual first gear is pretty short and but is probably not ideal for offroading like a conventional torque converter planetary automatic, or a true granny geared manual. There are aftermarket gear sets and planetary lockers so you could shorten your final drive and put torque lockers in if you wanted to put the effort in, but I wouldn't. A brat or Baja might be neat enough but not a regular Impreza imo.
>>28840865Obviously the bronco sport badlands. It's 45k though so you won't buy it.
>>28842354>up to 06 the STI used viscus or clutch type diffs in the front and rear, after 06 they have torsens front and rear.That would explain it, mine was an '06 and this was (fuck) 19 years ago. Even under 10k miles I remember it sorta "chunking" on tight low speed turns. Torsens F/R would've been sick for street use but may not be as good on the track idk.
>>28840593looks like a wannabe vehicross...
>>28840865Put tires on and raise as needed. You can cook the rear diff if you are a slow retard up a giant sand dune but it just goes into fwd for awhile https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qBACcaYmsxM
>>28842864>You can cook the rear diff if you are a slow retard up a giant sand dune but it just goes into fwd for awhile>Video of a Mazda with fake AWD that's FWD until slip is detected where it can send up to 50% of torque to the rearSubaru's AWD is nothing like that and is at least 50% torque to the rear all the time.The guy you were responding to is an idiot too so don't feel bad.
>>28842868P.S. >>28842864Holy shit that video is extremely homosexual and they don't talk much about cars or show cars doing things. You're a faggot just for posting that, I'm deleting my view of it on youtube.
>>28842868Okay gramps, that’s not how any of shoebaru’s cvts work. You’re thinking 15 years ago. The rear in the moozda is slightly overdriven so it can whip power oversteer shitties all day. -t. Experthttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qDZ_arZh34E&pp=ygUKQ3gzMCB0dXJibw%3D%3D
>>28842875>The 2025/2026 Mazda CX-30 comes with standard i-Activ AWD® on all trims, using over 27 sensors to proactively monitor road conditions, steering, and braking 200 times per second to distribute torque efficiently. It is an automatic system that requires no user input to turn on, shifting power to the rear wheels in milliseconds to prevent slip. >The system is front-wheel-drive biased but can shift up to 50% of torque to the rear wheels instantly when needed.Meanwhile even base trim cheap model subarus are 50+ percent to the rear all the time except some cucked automatics.
>>28842880Face it sweaty, shoebarus are in a shitty spot right now. By all means go buy an old one, but the current gen cvts that are too retarded to flip on a dime (200 check ins per second, as your source states) it’s just a low mpg slow Nissan bargain bin infotainment shitter. The outback and forester have faster ones but they cut corners on the Crosstrek, it has like a two second lag time
Find me a shoebaru that sent more than 50 to the back in AWD, I’ll wait.
>>28842889Hey, I've never had a Subaru past 2010MY or owned an automatic of any kind.That said, if you're buying a Subaru for performance, you aren't getting the CVT.
>>28842896Boo hoo nigger, I told you you were 15 years out of date and you just had to keep on yapping. Take your Metamucil
>>28842898The fastest STi was 20 years ago.Now crosstreks and outbacks have driver-facing cameras and CVTs mandatory.Just saying.
>>28842899Sir, this is a bumpy road thread. I realize the moozda is faster, better when on the same set of tires, and still has a six speed automatic. But there is no need for you to prostrate yourself in this manner
>>28842905What the fuck are you talking about I own a Mazda, not a Subaru. But I'm just saying, if you care about performance you're not considering a new-model Subaru they are totally different to the older manuals.
>>28842906Post moozda
>>28842911See >>28842081
>>28842912How to tell if bro is under 6’
>>28842915I'm 5'8, so what? I've had sex with single milfs taller than me and they love me. Where's the issue? I appeal to a particular market of women.
>>28842916Holy roach tier lmao, did you pay for the babysitter? Go get those milfs short king
>>28842918Pay for the babysitter? The grandma lived 5 minutes away or we waited to put the kid to bed, watched an episode of tv, and got our freak on. This body is all I'll ever have, I'm getting pussy regardless of some online bullying. There are a lot of chicks out there with cute male little brother fetishes, it's an underserved market.
I’m happy for you king, surely she won’t ask for help with school expenses in the future after Tyrese went out for milk 3 years ago
She peeped that midget in a faggy Miata and saw free cash
>>28842923Shit man, I don't stay very long. I just, goddamnit, I don't want a family I want sex. I couldn't care less if she's been with 30 guys before and I certainly don't ask or prod. She is the woman who wants to sleep with me today, who am I to complain?
This is starting to read like low tier bait, keep your chin up, short king, you might just plop them into some Amazonian boobas
>>28842928Eh, I'm getting old man. I gave up the game years ago. I pity you kids who have to go on tinder instead of hitting up the beer pong tournament of the day in your neighborhood.
>>28841211So why did they nerf it so bad? I can't find the patch notes
>>28842834See, this is neat.
>>28842920>>28842916How big is your penis? Length and girth, and please mention any distinct characterisics. >>28842911These are fucking hideous man. The unpainted plastic and the tiny windows. The crosstreck looks better and that's ugly too.
>>28844038It's hard to measure since it goes out like a duck's penis (iykyk). I also have a poor fascimile of Mother Theresa (RIP) tattooed on my torso right above my dick so that's what milfs see while they're blowing me. Shit is so cash.
>>28844038Are you mewing RN? This isn’t a looksmaxxing thread, this was a shitty cuv offroad thread. The Moozda is the better choice in the 30-35k range
>>28842896Nobody buying a crosstrek gives a fuck about performance.
>>28844038what if we made the wheel arches even bigger tho?
>>28844131>>28844138off road capability is a useless metric, a mustang can do all the off roading you ever plan to do, i can guarantee it. the only thing matters with cars is looks.
>>28840865
>>28844141I’ve beeched the 30 and left skid plate imprint in the snow with it, nice try Florida nigger
>>28840865>If literally any (real) manufacturer could make a vehicle in this form factor but with 300 ponies and a real transmissionI own a 2011 Subaru Outback 3.6R. It predates Subaru using CVTs so it has a real 6 speed automatic and it has 260 horsepower. Its served me quite well.
>>288440383.5cm l x 27cm g
>>28841315>flexes it out and gets it on 3 and even 2 wheels at timesyou dont seem to understand how differentials work
>>28844370you sure you know how to read? i didn't say anything about differential operation. if you think a vehicle with a halfway decent traction control system is helpless with a wheel or two off the ground you probably haven't been off road and you drive a shitbox. also with momentum you don't need any wheels on the ground to keep forward progress. maybe you just think someone is slowly rock crawling with a subaru, what an idiot.
>>28842683I won't buy it because it's ford and it's ugly and it's not in the cross trek form factor
>>28842683>250 hp
>>28844141>>28844138>>28844131This thing is gutless too, another perfect vehicle ruined by nopower
>>28844182>260 horsepower
>>28840593Pic is about as off road as most trucks ever get.It' will probably take the rough stuff as well as your mom.
>>28840675>climb up sand hills that 4x4s with lockers cannotWhy is that? Shouldn't the locked differential be way more capable than open diff awd? I hear this all the time but never understood it. t. vb wrx
>>28846832Manual Subarus have an LSD center diff by default so at least 2 wheels will spin. Rear LSDs were fairly common in the 00s as options even on lower models and since they're so modular swapping a used one isn't that wild.
>>28840593All automotive performance claims are mere advertising hype unless and until verified by personal experience.
>>28846852>LSD center diff by default so at least 2 wheels will spinI guess 2 wheels spinning is enough in the real world.I'm just thrown off because people seem to recommend traction control off in say the sand hill test when I'd think I'd default traction control of torque vectoring via brakes would help even if inferior to lsd.
>>28846801>>28846806>>28846808That's plenty of power you zoomer fuckwit. Not everything has to be a race car
>>28842683I actually like the Bronco Sport for what it is, but the Badlands is the only good one and 45k is outrageous. You can get a midsize 4x4 truck or a Jeep/"big" Bronco with decent options for that.
>>28847063Wrangler is $35k with a 3.6L Pentastar and 6-spd, RWD-based 4WD with a transfer case. Body on frame.Babby Bronco is $32k with a 1.5L and automatic only, FWD-based pseudo-AWD system that has electronic settings to make it 4WD-like in a unibody.Who buys the Bronco Sport over the Wrangler?
>>28847075NPC women I guess. Really I don't understand it at all, as unibody crossovers go it performs well off road and looks better than most of the arch-shaped blobs that make up most of the segment, but the price and horrible powertrain on everything except the most expensive model make it a total non-starter. My dad considered one when he moved to the mountains but ended up with a much more comfortable and arguably more capable Outback Wilderness for less money.
>>28847088He made the right choice.Ford was sneaky making a real bronco alongside a 3cyl fwd crossover version. And really, women won't care that it doesn't have a real transfer case or anything else that makes a Bronco a Bronco, so, props to Ford for printing money I guess.
>>28846806Wat? The only thing I can think of that stacks up to the 30 turrbah is the dodge hornet and that thing has an actual dogshit AWD brain.>>28847088Once you’re past the crosstrek the shoebarus get a lot better
>>28840649The Impreza STI's are not the regular stuff, the WRX has a rear bias in their AWD but no active diff magic, you gotta get the STI for it.As to how good they are, I had a regular nonturbo Impreza for a beater and even on cheap all season tires it made the snow its bitch. I did pizza delivery in 6 inches of unplowed snow and it tanked it the whole way, I was definitely impressed. Cant speak for the newer ones mine was a 2005 but Subaru updated their shit once a millenium.
>>28847088>it performs well off roadNot on the roads that need actual 4x4.
>>28846987My current awd huwhip has 296 and it only needs 50 more to be the perfect car
>>28840593Does it have a CVT? If so then:NO, its not meant for offroading.
If you are a serious off-roader you would not settle for anything less capable than the mule.
>>28842683I feel bad for anyone who buys a FoMoCo product in 2026.
>>28848163>Feeling bad for other people>In a subaru threadLmao
>>28840593No. Like >>28842683 said a BSB is a better option. It walks over stuff a modded Subaru struggles with. Don't forget adding bigger tires only exacerbates the Subarus lack of power. https://youtu.be/5QE7A3ZqMRA?si=040aOYTbCtVk7Qti
>>28840593They can drive off the road. However I wouldn't take them on anything beyond a maintained dirt road.
>>28840593I watched my friend rip both the bumpers off his new Subaru trying to follow me in a bone stock 80s toyota pickup, wasn't even a hard trail, I was in 2wd the entire time and didn't have a locker at the time
>>28849050>Namefag>bone stock
>>28849050Yeah, and? A good AWD system isn't going to give you ground clearance.
>>28849054that's a stock 85 toyota pickup, not lifted or anything, 22r 31in tires >>28849056so you have no ground clearance, so that means it's not good at off roading? got it I actually hate this truck, it sucks at off roading compared to a stock jeep XJ, the jeep blows it the fuck out of the water and only costs 500 bucks
>8 hour rain washes all the salt off the road>turns into a blizzard >nice, time to grab some blizzard taki bell and blast off in the cuck 30 to wash some salt off the bottom>taki bell acquired, time to zoom home>2wd ranger is stuck on a hill spinning its ass left and right >the two fat retards in front of me aren’t doing anything so I hop out and push the cripple up the hill>taki bell wasn’t warm by the time I got home
>>28851078>Bumps a dead thread after 44 hours to say some incomprehensible bologna.
>>28851082You forgot to add sage, sweaty. If you can’t read that’s on your teachers, not me
>>28851085Wat.
>>28851088To explain: I use Last Reply. I don't even notice sages, everything bumps to the top.
If you’re going to behave like an enraged Negroni over something getting bumped you could at least sage your own reply, narcissist
>>28851092I will do no such thing. Thanks for the compliment.
as offroad as anyone will actually ever need. all that "serious" offroading stuff is actually just people going as far as possible out of the way to find the most difficult terrain. youd never actually encounter that stuff otherwise. youd never actually NEED to go anywhere that a crosstrek cant handle.not to say theres literally anything wrong with having disposable money and a hobby, absolutely not. just. no ones ever needed more then a crosstek to go to their job or get the groceries.
>>28851088>>28851085sages havent worked in almost 10 years
>>28853530it does work, in fact it also now works with images. I think that change happened with the mp4 support.
>>28853566Not when everyone orders threads by "last reply" instead of "bump order." All sages go to the top that way.
>>28853529thisit'll get you to work and the grocery store and can make it to 99% of trailheads/campsites without much issue
>>28853569Imagine being so terminally online you actually mess with the default layout settings. Bump order Yotsuba B
>>288536394chan is the only "social media" I use. So yeah I change one setting right at the top of the page to my liking.Do you have faceberg? IRC? Twatter? discord? and meticulously go through privacy settings? Then shut it.
>>28853646No, no, no, no. I do have a LinkedIn tho, ya jobless fuck
>>28853652>linkdlngrim
>>28853654You’re an unemployed so I’ll break it down for you. Hiring managers don’t actually call references anymore, they google your name and if your first hit is a LinkedIn profile with a bunch of contacts that work in companies you said you worked in on your application they call it a day. You don’t actually post on it, that’s for retards.
>>28853658oh i just post "grim" any time anyone their on anything or use anything or play anything. half the time someone has to write a huge post justifying it lol, its fun
>>28853667oh i guess i should clarify that was also my first post lol
Did you have a stroke halfway through typing that? Call emergency medical services
>>28842911Mazda is great desu
>>28853652>Don't have a linkedin>Still have a jobThe joys of anesthesia
>>28840593
>>28840593dunno, seems like national park service says no they are not.
>>28853883not a subaru here but what if I havea car with a literal transfer case from a truck that gives 50/50 power on a syvecs controller?
>>28853884there is precisely one obstacle on this trail that a bone stock crosstrek might have some difficulty with
>>28853887depends how the park ranger feels that day
>>28853900I'm just curious if they go by the intended use of the car or it's actual capability if it's been modded.
>>28853902I'm guessing they just cite you if they see you driving anything that isn't a jeep or pickup
>>28853884Mail him a spent 30-06 casing and a snek sticker
>>28853672Do you notice the torsion beam in the back? I like that the CX30 is smaller than the CX5 but the 5 has an independent rear and is made in Japan.
>>28854176That’s not a 30, you indignant spear chucker>>28844145That is a 30. The ass skips and hops if you chuck it around a corner on shitty roads and flings groceries everywhere but it’s fine up front. Backseat is cramped and and probably chaotic but that’s not my problem, put your favorite person in the passenger seat
>>28847927Weight reduction
>>28840593Id probably get a jeep if I wanted an offroader
>>28849057>>28849050Nobody cares, dogfucker. Go drive off a cliff.
>>28854489Is that him?
>>28842683Why would you spend $45k on a bronco and get the sport instead of the real one? Just buy a 1 year older bronco
>>28854520Yeah, you can tell from the nasty hair, scraggly pube "beard", and the AIDS build. He is an actual faggot, after all.
>>28841045>>28841064I saw a video of a cucktek stuck in sand, it was a manual transmission, and even full throttle/clutch dump it could not get itself out, engine stalled. That's how little power these things have and they're pitiful on anything more severe than a gravel road.
>>28854489Is bro’s seat even bolted down?
>>28849050Will you die of AIDS already?
>>28849057>>28849056>so you have no ground clearance, so that means it's not good at off roading?Yeah, good AWD will work on bad roads, sand, ice, snow, and mud within reason; but if you're going off road on rocks and really steep terrain then you need good ground clearance and a stock Subaru has ground clearance that's made with conventional roads in mind not off roading. If you want to take one off roading then you can have it raised. Do you think that you had a point to make; because I'm not seeing it.
