>>28841148The miata has such an ugly front end compared to the S2K
>>28841150the miat literally laughs at the s2k…
>>28841150>>28841156and the s2k looks like she just spotted a juicy BBC
>>28841148The Camaro handles better than both of these while being on all seasons and being more practical.
Miata only because ap1 need the tits revved off of it and that stupid brace in the foot well that catches your foot every fucking time you get in
>>28841171>Miata only because ap1 need the tits revved off of itWhy would you want a less sophisticated engine lol
Right isn't even a new car, so miata wins
>>28841148Isn't mx5 much more forgiving? Is s2k snap oversteering just a meme?
>>28841148Miata is fucking hideous
>>28841729They had to subscribe to the chinkeyed angry headlights to sell it
>>28841148Damn they had 20 years to being back the s2000 and they have us this
>>28841713yes and no. s2k snap oversteer is because of bump steer. ap1 has a lot, 04-05 ap2 dialed it out somewhat with changes to the suspension + steering, then 06 and above with traction control. personally I think ap1 + git gud is the way but it's not like the ap2 is that much less involving, just not as punishing if you fuck upthe miata is soft as fuck, even with traction control off you can lift the throttle in the middle of corners and otherwise drive like a complete fucktard and it won't be a problem
>>28841148Miot looks like he just said a racist joke. The Honder looks like a guy laughing and being amused at the same time.
>>28841927>even with traction control off you can lift the throttle in the middle of corners and otherwise drive like a complete fucktard and it won't be a problemOn all-seasons the na/nb miata's rear will step out if you lift on, say, a long circular highway on-ramp at speed.
>>28841162You made me hate Camaro which is sad cause it's a pretty cool car
>>28841954If Japan simply made better cars it wouldn’t be so easy to bully people with a base model vehicle that doesn’t even have an LSD let alone proper summer tires.
>>28841162>The Camaro handles better than botBy what metric?
>>28842094All of them? More stable when cornering despite being on worse tires. Less body roll. Whole car feels safer to pick up speed in despite not having any more means to reach those speeds than the Miata or s2000 (the acceleration times between them is near identical).The camar isn’t faster in a straight line, isn’t relying on tires for grip, doesn’t even have an lsd at the lower trims. And yet, bitch slaps the Miata and S2000 on tracks they are both at home on.
>>28841157that's like being hyped about seeing a turd on the street
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>>28841949I've never driven a stock na/nb but with the stock nd club I really had to work to get it to step out and it was very manageable when it did. just lifting wouldn't be enough, for the most part it would just wallow. I really wish mazda would sell a version of the car with a much more aggressive setup, but I guess they've determined that the boomers who buy new miatas would get in trouble and throw tantrums and sue or some shit
>>28842374why not just turn traction/stability off that + coilovers should do itnds are grip monsters though ngl
>>28842377Don't forget a really stiff rear sway bar on the tightest setting if there are multiple. On crappy street tires that will make the rear come out non-stop, like if you're in a sweeper and tap the brake. It's really dangerous obviously but you've gotta tighten up that rear for max oversteer.
all stock versions of the S2000 are less forgiving than all stock versions of the ND miata, but the ND2 can still be pretty snappy if your inputs are caveman tier (due partially to the shitty steering feel in the ND2, the ND3 is noticeably improved in this regard, as well as having a diff that better lends itself to corner stability; also due partially to the ND's very light weight, it's more willing to shift that weight around)this is due to the F20/F22 having actual power proportional to its displacement, unlike the unfunny joke that is a stock 2L skyactiv G, in addition to the S2K having something resembling an actual sport suspensionall of this flies out the window when the aftermarket comes into play. with cams, header/midpipe/exhaust, and a tune, the skyactiv can make the same power as the S2K's F series' (you will 100% blow up your stock tranny doing this). coilovers flatten the car, 200TW tires make up for how tail happy it then becomes, and you adjust your sway bars to strike the desired balance. obviously the S2K can be modded too and is more inclined to take more power gracefully.the short wheelbase and yes, the light weight, both work against the ND competing at high speed; the S2K will be more stable and carry more speed in the corners and out of them. on a really tight course or autocross, the ND is inherently superior because of weight and more advanced suspension.pretty much every flaw and shortcoming for both cars can be overcome by the aftermarket, making the question somewhat pointless to begin with. but stock for stock, the S2K is a faster car. note I didn't address abstracts like fun which is the most important factor for most, not all, non-benchracers.thanks for reading my blogt. driven all of the above
>>28841148There is no debate, one is unobtanium and the other is the peoples champion.
>>28842431>the ND3 is noticeably improved in this regardLol dude shut the FUCK up you watched some YouTuber mention this and thought it was a good arguing point. Don't ever compare your little rattle trap to a s2000
>>28842726Did you even read his post? It seemed like he was saying the S2K is the better car...
OP here, forgot to mention I’m only considering the automatic versions of these two.
>>28842735There is no auto S2k, dweeb.
>>28842729 nah i lost it when he mentioned the 15 grams lighter steering shaft youtube meem like holy fucking shit could you be a bigger wrenchlet. the fucking thing cant rev for shit, long as fuck gears but cant take a pound of boost, its a properly gay car
>>28842740>Youtube memeOh. I spend most of my days thinking about cars and I watch hours of youtube every day, but I refuse to watch car-related youtube where some guy is trying to act like Jeremy Clarkson but memier. It's the most insufferable garbage.I'll stick to only police chases, stunt vids, and street race vids.
>>28842745holy based dude, i literally do the same shit, if its not cctv, dashcam or bodycam im not interested.
i like watching jewtube vids of women washing cars
ND Miata: S2000s aren't getting any younger and they're at the point where stupid shit is happening like the spindles cracking the balljoint off from fatigue and sticky tires. They're great cars but the ND is newer which means that you won't be chasing age related issues and the ND has better steering feel. S2K never had good steering. I can buy a clapped AP1 or driver quality one with a rebuilt/salvage title for $15k or a mint ND1 (or rebuilt/salvage ND2) and the ND won't have 100,000 mile sports car problems like a torn top, worn bushings, clutch that needs to get changed, timing chain that might need to get done, or small chance of a bad rear diff/synchros. https://www.fb.com/marketplace/item/819602550946981/23k mile $21k ND2 that won't need anything other than you driving it. You can find ND1s as low as $12-15k. https://www.fb.com/marketplace/item/897381619381145/Driver quality $20k AP2 with 136k miles. https://www.fb.com/marketplace/item/4023519801271658/Clean $20k AP1 with 105k miles
>>28841148>>28841150ND is a cat face and S2K is a rattata faceLiterally cat and mouse
>>28841148If Mazda took the n/a 2.5 and gave it the same treatment they gave the 200 hp special version of ND3, then there would be no point in the S2000.
the s2k has always been a worse miat
>>28842740you're wrong and a fag, the latter is forgivable but the former is not
>>28841148There's no debate. The S2000 is a faster car and is more desirable. Miata values of equivalent vintage are lower for a reason.
>>28843998The S2000 was never a Miata competitor, it was concurrent with the NB and NC and the base MSRPs were $10,000 apart. It's not in the same class. It's like saying a 918 cayman competes with an MR2 because they're both mid engined with a 4 cylinders.
>>28841157trvke
>>28843965>then there would be no point in the S2000.Except even with a v8 swap the s2000 can set a better lap time. Don't ever compare the s2000 to the queeryata
>>28841148Miata is more available, more affordable, with a much vaster aftermarket. It's the superior choice in 2026 beyond any doubt.
>>28844795With what V8? Lap time on which track? On what tires? With who behind the wheel?
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>>28841150But it's 1/4 the price.
>>28844901LS1NurburgringNitro 555Richard Petty
not much of a debate tbqh
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>>28841148>s2ksmiles because it's going fast>miataSmiles because it eats ass
>>28845314Based as fuck knower >>28844943Riced out fake vents riddled piece of shit
>>28842377yea if I'd kept the car I would have installed xidas or ohlins and moar swaybar, but it would be nice to have something along those lines from the factory, along with smaller brakes that allow for 15" wheelsI should really just k-swap my nb
>>28845343based chocolate connoisseur miat
>>28845365the vents are functional dumbass
>>28845631ROMFLAMAHAHAHAH
>>28844943too big, too heavy, not a roadster. it's just not part of this debate. miata vs 86 is it's own thing, s2k vs 86 is just lol.>>28844795>v8 swapthis guy is trapped in 2009. let it go bro, honda's not going to make anything you'll set your imaginary lap times with ever again. nissan, toyota, mazda, even fucking SUBARU will continue to iterate on RWD manual sports cars and you'll get a fwd hybrid CVT shitbox with "PRELUDE" in crayon on the back. to think you have the gall to call anything in this world gay
>>28841148where can I buy a brand new S2K with a warranty?
>>28841148>twink car vs onions car
