What would happen if the Bronco and the Expedition had a baby?MUST HAVE:2 separate mallcrawler vs off road versions (highway vs off road tires and other things)larger than bronco, smaller than expedition (ideally wider AND longer than norm-bronco)v6 onlyno convertible bullshit
>>28844077That baby would come out pretty gay. Putting some AT's on a AWD unibody piece of shit will never make it an off road right. A Expedition with a solid rear axle wouldn't be much better off road. Now if an Expedition fucked an F-250 Tremor we would have an Excursion which would be giga based.
>>28844080sigh, i mean a body on frame suv, of course you have to ruin my vision by implying things i didn't meanyou don't really NEED a solid rear axle and it reduces trunk space
>>28844090Less trunk space is better than fucking control arms that sit 3'' off the ground.
>>28844092you should be able to have those covered by skid plates, and it doesn't matter for the mallcrawler versionthe bronco is WAY fucking high up off the ground and is probably a nightmare in the wind or on the highway
>>28844077There’s only one SUV that Ford needs to make happen, and it’s not some v6 powered bullshit.
>>28844077SUVs are turning into minivans and no one is talking about it.
>>28844151We’ve truly circled all the way around
>>28844153>normies want family car>but not a minivan>but here's all the features the minivan had>it'd sure be nice if they added it to that SUV there>also it needs to fit car seats and strollers>also my wife is short could you lower the SUV and add running boards>also she can't operate lockers so could you make the 4wd system that acts like it has open diffs
>>28844151I wish they'd just commit and give them sliding doors so you could get to the third row.
>>28844151there's no reason you cannot have a ladder frame based trugg minivan suitable for off-roading
>>28844077It sounds a lot like you just want the expedition tremor which already exists. Literally no one wants fully capable full size suvs.
>>28844226no, the expedition is too bigthere's plenty of room for something in between the bronco and the expedition
>>28844228so, the Explorer?
>>28844228There's really not. An expedition is 20 inches longer than a bronco. Now 20 inches is a lot but 10 isn't. What are you going to do with a 10 inch longer bronco. No what they need to do is just rebadge the everest. Everyone's saying it.
>>28844233that's unibody!
>>28844239and? you've created an absurdly narrow criteria for a vehicle with practically zero usecase. Nobody would buy a 'Bronco but 10% larger and with most of the unique Bronco features removed'. it would just be an Explorer with minute differences in construction that 99% of people wouldn't even notice, except when it comes to occupant safety and fuel economy which the Explorer would be superior in both categories. why don't you quit being so passive and just admit you're pissy that the Everest didn't get exported instead.
>>28844243anon the jeep cherokee/grand cherokee sold tons in the 90s 2000sits for people who want the looks of a bronco but need something a bit bigger, that's a big grouppeople love chunky truggs that aren't TOO big and look like military vehicles
>>28844180>>28844191Normies are terrified of sliding doors.
>>28844254y?
>>28844281They're gay. That's really it. We all know you could take the explorer body off and put an odyssey body on and it would be a better overall vehicle with no downsides but... it would be gay and no one would buy it
>>28844283im gay
>>28844077>BronxpeditionIt already exists.
>>28844428north bronx, not south bronx
>>28844077if only such a thing already existed and was called the Ford Everest
>>28844446my entire point is that it is slightly too narrow and short for the American market and, as such, wouldn't sell as well if they brought it here vs making an XL version.
>>28844449Your entire point is retarded though. There is NO market for a full size off road SUV. Get it through your thick skull. Look at every successful body on frame offroader. Wrangler, Bronco, 4Runner, Land Cruiser, FJ Cruiser, G Wagon, Defender, they're all midsize, all within about 6 inches of each other. Now look at every successful full size SUV. Most of them don't offer any kind of off-road package at all and the ones that do are primarily cosmetic like the Tremor and TRD. There's a very good reason that everyone who buys offroad vehicles buys midsize and everyone who buys full size doesn't care about offroad shit. No one's overlanding in a Grand Wagoneer or Expedition
>>28844478>There is NO market for a full size off road SUV.the prestige of the G-class and cultural popularity of the Hummer say otherwise, and besides, the Bronco is just too small to be anything other than a toy > Most of them don't offer any kind of off-road package at all I'm pretty sure you can get a locking rear diff on the off road package for the Mercedes GLS but its only with the V8 or something convoluted like that. >no one's overlanding in a Grand Wagoneerthe long term wagoneer one auto publication had, they complained it was shit off road despite being fully kitted out
>>28844478https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2024-mercedes-benz-gls580-4matic-first-test-reviewThere are options not available on a 450, as well. An available Off-Road package adds 1.2 inches of ground clearance and steel underbody protection.--I guess there's no locking diff (I thought there was!) but still, off road themed suvs are quite popular
>>28844150the bumper should stop before it begins.
>>28844478There are plenty of full size SUVs with off road packages.Hell, I regularly take my Escalade ESV on trails, too. Gets me and some frens to remote fishing spots in comfort.
>>28844482lmao how big do you think a g class is? have you ever even seen one before?
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>>28844510>ignoring my point that the GLS full sized SUV offers and has offered and off road package for years also, mercedes is making a baby G class because it is so popular
>>28844513I ignored it because I don't give a shit. Oh wow cool there's one single full size SUV made in all of history that actually has offeoad capability. Clearly there's a massive untapped market. Crazy how you're so much smarter than the teams of researchers and focus testers that have doing studies in every single country in the planet and none of them were able to figure it out.
>>28844531>singleKeep ignoring the proof that's right in your face then, dumbfuck. There's dozens, if not many more fullsize SUVs with off road capability. I'm more than willing to post them all, but your retarded ass will probably ignore that, too.>hurr I don't give a shitConcede then, you're already admitting you lost.
>>28844077That's what I wanted the Bronco to be. After the first generation, the Bronco had always sat on the F-150's platform.
>>28844538>There's dozens, if not many more fullsize SUVs with off road capability.There's not. The LX is the worst example you could've picked. All it has is locking differentials and a skid plate. It's mostly a cosmetic package. >I'm more than willing to post them all, Lmao I'd love to see it. I bet 99% of them are either midsize or unibody.
>>28844549locking differentials are kinda a big deal, what the heck are you expecting?
>>28844550Locking differentials does not an offroader make. It's a lwb 3 ton car with hydraulic suspension. It can't do any more offroading than little glamping photo opportunity spots like in that picture. Any mud at all and it's sinking like a rock. Any moderately large rocks and its getting high centered. It's designed to offer the most comfortable ride possible across well maintained dirt roads at hunting lodges.
>>28844238>what they need to do is just rebadge the everestintroducing the new 2027 Ford Broncspeditiorest
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>>28844151Truggs too
>>28844482G class isn’t full size. The H1 hummer was 184.5” long. It’s really not that big. A 4 door bronco is longer. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
>>28844542And my Fox Body Mustang is LONGER than my F150 based 1985 Bronco (by like 1.4").Ive posted pictures of them side by side here before.You dont understand the appeal of the Bronco or its heritage. The turning radius of my '85 is tighter than pic related. Bronco is a nimble trail rig, not a family hauler.What you want isnt a Bronco. So go buy a not-a-bronco.
>>28844629yeah its not long enough or wide enough 193 inches puts it at the smaller end of the midsize class in the US
>>288449541980-1987 Full Size Bronco is 177-179 inches (depending on what rear bumper was installed) with the 2" wider 78/79 models being 179 inches and the post-87 models picking up a few more inches due to the more aerodynamic nose to come in at 181-183 inches.
>>28845022Americans have gotten bigger over time, why shouldn't our cars?
>>28844870The "not-a-Bronco" was both a nimble trail rig and "family hauler" to boot, though I'd wager a wagon was the more ideal family hauler of it's time. Take it from someone who restored a '78 and briefly owned a '81 Bronco.>>28844151Always had been, unibody "SUVs" at least.
>>28844283>They're gay.Quad cab pickups are way gayer than sliding doors and people love those damned things.
>>28845198Trucks are cool. You think they're gay because you exist exclusively in an echo chamber. In the real world they're cool and they've been cool for 40 years and people love them.
>>28844870>The turning radius of my '85 is tighter than pic related.Friends '77 was fun as hell. Driving impression was of a 4x4 Mustang. Had it in the shop one time and you could leave a service bay, cut the steering over and come right back in the next bay over. No backing and filling. No going over into the third bays' approach and back to the second. Just straight out, turn, and straight back in. FSB's weren't quite so fun for me but still very enjoyable.>>28844542Would have bought the shit out of that but I'm sure they thought they already had that in the Expedition. Doesn't help convince the suits because it's two-door. How many two door Broncos are they selling now? Maybe 10 percent?
Meanwhile GM has a golden opportunity to bring back the 2 door tahoe
>>28845277>Trucks are coolI didn't say trucks are gay.I said quad cab trucks that try to pretend they're sedans are gay.
>>28845469Sort of, theres a run of 6.2s from 2021-24 where a supplier made crankshafts and rod bearings with incorrect machining tolerances/contamination. If your engine blew/had rod knock/has a P0016 code set you got a replacement that's made correctly that still requires 0w20 oil. If your engine is fine, you get a new oil cap that has 0w40 printed on it and an oil change. https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2025/RCRIT-25V274-6343.pdf>they still can't even figure out how to build an overhead cam engineThe small block V8 and Duramax 6.6 are the only pushrod engines they make now, and even then the Corvette had a DOHC V8 in 1990 and now again in the C8 Z06. They have been mass producing overhead cam engines since 1966 with the Pontiac 230 I6.
>>28845757anon bmw sold zero pushrod engines in 1990the zr1 sold for something equivalent to 300k+ in today's money it was a boutique exotic design>z06 extra expensivethe base corvette is still pushrodmost chevy full size pickups and suvs still use pushrod 5.3/6.2 enginesthey made a dohc design for cadillac then scrapped it and never used it again>with incorrect machining tolerances/contaminationthis sounds like "employee was drunk and didn't brush off the dust after making the parts"also could just be a shitty design to the engine that they refuse to fixxxxxtoyota says the same thing but can't really explain how it happened on the Tundra except vaguely
>>28845780BMW also doesn't build trucks, nor do they have the most stellar reputation for engine reliability partially as a consequence of how obsessed they are with making everything out of plastic, what's your point? Outside of that specific batch of 6.2s, GM small blocks last forever on oil changes alone. Meanwhile many BMW engines have a reputation of needing rod bearings for breakfast or even backing their oil pump nuts off and starving themselves of oil if you don't do major surgery to safety wire the nut right. And anon, you know the V8 isn't the only engine GM makes, right? Their 4 cylinders, V6s, and I6s have been DOHC for ages too.
>>28844629I was just gonna post this. I know it's not what OP wants but it's what I want, and I would have bought one instead of my Ranger if I had the option. (Though I've ended up using my Ranger as a truck regularly enough that I'm glad I got it.)
>>28844077Ford sucks, on or off the road.International should bring back the Scout II.
>>28845804I dont see any scouts.But I do see lots of Fords.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baja_500
>>28845780>this sounds like "employee was drunk and didn't brush off the dust after making the partsOver tens of thousands of engines and multiple years? No. IMO, it was worn out machinery that they knew needed to be fixed/replaced and DEI-focused management chose not to because fuck customers, what they gon' do?
>>28845780>>28845876Machinist here. Sounds to me like the most likely thing is that some engineer gave incorrect specs to production, which happens depressingly frequently since most are incapable of comprehending the world outside of CAD these days.
>>28845907Not about Ford, but someone said regarding Toyota, the engine fuck-up was that they specified a too-small bearing in hopes of saving on fuel economy but in doing so they fucked up the engine big time, and they blamed machine dust rather than admitting the design plans are flawed
>>28845804>back the Scouthere you go
