AI produced video from the White House just dropped
>>28845671>AI produced videoit's amusing seeing them openly treat their "beneficiaries" like subhuman cattle.
The federal government is cool with red light racing? That's what I'm getting out of this.
>>28845671Oh shit new cayman just dropped
>>28845671but prius doesn't have traditional auto stop/startit always pulls from standstill on electric power alone, regardless of whether its gas engine is on or off
>>28845671Sega does what Ninendon't tier shit.
>>28845685That's just another layer of absurd humor.
>>28845692Uhuh uhuh.
>>28845695You're misunderstanding me, it's absurd humor to me because this whole thing is a massive shit show. Start stop was bullshit but these shenanigans are just weird. Can't we Americans conduct ourselves better than this?
>>28845700Obviously you can't.
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>>28845671Hey as long as Auto Start Stop is gone I dont give a fuck.
>>28845685They also have electric A/C that keeps working when the engine is off.Funny enough, the worst ASS I've ever experienced was in an Alfa Giulia. Other cars are at least smart enough to not cut your engine when the A/C is on full blast but the Giulia would shut off and start blowing hot air in your face the instant you came to a stop on a 110 degree day.
>>28845678I can tell you're a latinx who watches spic fuentes lmao .
>>28845671>26.2 sticker on the Prius>the implication that either one of them has ever run a marathon
>>28845681They are cool with whatever will get you spending more money on oil and gas products.
>>28845746no i'm white with blond hair and my last name is pennsylvania dutch. what's your racial makeup, niggermonkey?
>>28845733So true. I turn it off because of that. At least in the winter it almost never shuts off to keep the heat going.
>>28845779nilotic/sudanese of the nuer tribe
>>28845766Yeah that's true. Funny that those places are the ones where they actually have dealers and good service too. (LA, FL, TX, etc.) The Giulia in question was my dad's but he had to sell it when he moved up here to Oregon since there's fuckall support for them, plus his was RWD with no ground clearance and our area gets a lot of ice and a decent amount of snow. >>28845784My Ford thankfully is smart enough to know that it shouldn't shut off if the A/C is cranked up and the inside of the truck is still hot, but it occasionally has issues when you just need a bit of cool air pumping through.
oh no that was hard
>>28845671Prius doesn't have start/stop, it doesn't even have a starter.
>put Ferd into Sport mode>ASS stopsAmazing, the future is now.
>>28845671This isn't real, is it. They didn't actually really make this, did they?
>>28845814Yes, it's actually real. If you wait until the end it features the logo.
>>28845801so you're ok with paying for features you never use
>>28845819so you think this is actually going to make cars cheaper
>>28845821cheaper than they would have been if this wasn't done, yes.
>>28845823A whole $100 off the sticker price is sure to change everyone's lives.Oh wait that 2mpg it saves is worth more than $100 every year...
>>28845823This will not happen. Ever. They would rather go bankrupt than lower prices.
>>28845823>another fell for it again awardwant it now or later in the mail?
>>28845833It's not going off the sticker price, it's going into the exec's pockets.
>>28845833>>28845836>>28845837>>28845838imagine coming to a car board and defending auto start stop and getting mad that it will no longer be required. you're either paid shills or suffer from severe tds.
>>28845839Good thing for innacity to keep smog and stink down. Air quality got much better over the last 10-15 years. ofc if you're rural in flyover what do you care.
>>28845845>>>/n/
>>28845839nobody is defending auto stop/start. everyone is calling you a retard, retard.
>>28845852right, according to you i'm a retard because i'm glad auto stop start will no longer be required in cars.
>>28845863You're a retard because you expect prices to come down.
>>28845864ok so why are you glad auto stop start is no longer required?
>>28845863no no i think you're a retard for a whole multitude of reasons
>>28845850Nah, fuck commuters and commercial vehicles, I want them regulated.Couple rednecks rolling coal is not a problem but 100k npc's moving to and back from work is. I'm glad they got start/stop'ed.
>>28845866list them.
>>28845868Does it matter when they are going to switch to hybrid and EV?
>>28845838I am aware of how things really work yes.
>>28845839There's nothing inherently wrong with A/S/S if the parts responsible for doing at are correct i.e. the ol "1st gen" having inadequate starter motors.The engine not spinning for 45 seconds won't make the oil film magically disappear.
>>28845903starters are not a problem, they're not the same as regular starters and almost never fail, batteries are tho since start/stop battery is not 60€ but more like 250€.
>>28845869Ok.You are:Stupid,Inept,Callous,Dumb,Shallow,Uninformed,Basic,And you react on emotion instead of using your big thinky brain.You couldn't have an actual conversation if I paid you to try.
>>28845903It's shitty to drive with for virtually no real-world benefit. That's reason enough alone. The whole thing was only ever a trick for getting better numbers on very specific controlled tests and almost never makes a significant impact to economy in real world conditions, but it DOES make you sit with hot air blowing in your face when you stop on a hot day, potentially gets you rear ended when the light turns green and you can't move for a second or two, etc.
>>28845910you're this mad over trump getting rid of auto start stop in cars.
>>28845910(You)
>>28845748this part is realistic. fats will buy these when they are "training" for a marathon (aka walking 1/4 of a mile).
>>28845801oh no that was hard
>red light>coasting to a stop>engine shuts off>light turns green>car jerks as it turns on engine Its fucking shit and the Porsche system is horrible. Why they have it on a 911 is a mystery. It turns the engine off when you're coasting right before you stop and not when you're actually stopped.
Explain why stop start is bad
>>28845671Using a Prius as the example is dumb.Hybrids have electric motors to get going from a dead stop. It's the gas only cars with auto start stop that are annoying.
>>28845913>>28845914>proving me right immediatelySatisfying.
>>28845921i don't think it's really good or bad. ultimately it is rather insignificant in terms of things that would significantly increase fuel economy or lower energy consumption costs.what i think the political framing of this is about, though, is US elites wanting to get off the fuel efficiency angle because of the fracking boom and Chinese dominance in rare earths.end use American consumers don't really stand to see any benefit outside of i guess financially secure people who don't care about running costs. sort of the same crossover as the "no taxes on boats" stunt going on in south carolina right now.in a capitalist economy where these natural resources and their refining infrastructure are privately held, individual households are net oil importers. it's not "your" oil.
>>28845766i wonder how much more effective it'd be if you filled it with duracool or something similar
>>28845921I don't like software niggers taking control away from me
>>28845865Because now the manufacturers have to find other ways to meet the fleet targets.
>>28845971which targets?
>>28845814Did you come from 1995?why does this surprise you?We've seen far,far worse from them
>>28845671>slandering a goated car that doesn't even have this feature
I fucking hate auto stop start. I'm glad I have a button to turn it off
>>28846511>Prius prices go down due to ai slop>God Machine Prius's litter the track days>put all non hybrid over priced shitboxes in their fucking place the day of the hybrid is upon us sorry toyobaru and miata cucks the future is now!
>>28845903the only good ASS systems are on full hybrids which can move under electric power while the engine is turning onwhich as has already been pointed out ITT, is what the prius has
>>28845910As the Right Honourable Judge of Internetland, I find(you)who are accused of being a hopeless fagGUILTY!!!!
>>28845671BASED.
>>28845681Trump's bff makes an 8 second car, why would they discourage drag racing?
>>28846656Trump is just the front man, the distraction. He's there to feed his ego and steal money.The real de facto president right now is Stephen Miller.
It’s gonna be hilarious 5 years from now when this EPA shit is king forgotten but new cars are still hot garbage. They’ll just move on to the next boogieman. >>28845685The Prius is one of the best vehicles ever made. I mean they were slow (past tense), but they absolutely excelled at what they were designed for. Ever hear about the massive Prius recalls or the stories of them breaking down on people or catching on fire? Of course not, because despite selling a billion of them those things didn’t happen. Awesome cars from a reliability and economical viewpoint. If you don’t understand why that’s a good thing then you’re just a consumer faggot
>>28846661>Stephen MillerBASED.
>>28845671TEAM AMERICA FUCK YEAH
>>28845671I first experienced ASS in a rental car. I pulled up to a stop light and the engine stopped, and I thought, "Shit, I've stalled it." But then I noticed the "Auto Stop" on the tachometer. My experience with that car made me decide never to purchase a car with that feature.
>>28846661Yup.Got what I voted for.
>>28846878>Manual with ASSsuch things exist?
>>28846895Yes. If you're in neutral with the brake on it'll shut off then start once you begin pressing the clutch.
>>28846664They're well-engineered vehicles but I do have to mention how absolutely godawful the ergonomics are, really fucked up legroom to arm reach ratio. Other Toyotas have similar problems but Priuses are the worst of the bunch in my experience. Kinda shitty interior materials too. I haven't been in the newest gen though and maybe it's better but I kinda doubt it, they didn't fix the ergos on the new Tacoma.
Autostop hate is now mainstream that means /o/ is pro-autostop now.
>auto stop gets auto sloppottery
>>28846944I'm not seeing many anons defending it, and I assume the ones that are are /n/fags.That pic describes this board very well.
Start-stop is fine in manual cars, where it only turns off the engine when you put it in neutral and release the clutch (provided it doesn't do it when AC is on). It's also obviously fine in hybrids that take off with electric motors and the gas engine bump starts itself at 8 mph. It's only really bad in pure ICE automatic cars.
>>28846952The only manual I've driven with it was a friend's Focus RS, once, but I thought it was even worse in that than an auto. Totally fucked up my timing when starting from a light.
>>28845671>one generation of car gets made without stop start by default>maybe two>next liberal admin reverts emission changes>shit goes back to normalnone of you niggas are buying new cars anyways this wont effect 100% of the people here.
>>28845971>>28845971fleet emission targets are still around, but there is no penalty for not meeting them anymore
americans be like>our president trew babies into a lake>oh nvm the DOP is over 9000 and they are killing auto start stop
>>28847285I think that it's really only like 30% of the country that buys that crap. The problem is that only about 60% of the country votes, so 30% is half and half is all.
>>28847350>I think that it's really only like 30% of the country that buys that crap.nah it's way less than that, don't be fooled by the insane rhetoric you hear online. just imagine if someone irl started talking about trump throwing babies into a lake lol you'd think they were some homeless nut job.
I've only seen them talk about stop startare they doing that thing again where they champion a half-good action and avoid doing anything with impact(safety, emissions)
>>28847697>are they doing that thing again where they champion a half-good action and avoid doing anything with impactYes. They see the tides and know that 99% of Americans want to see this gone. It's a clear desperation move and distraction, but one I'm not going to necessarily complain about.
>>28845671the trump memes are getting tiresome, how about doing shit a leader should do and leave the memes to the poors
>>28845719just ...turn it off. can't burgers figure this out?1st thing i do with rentals
>>28845671Why would the government get involved in a fucking consumer option anyway? fuck are they distracting from now?
>>28847721Well, they don't want you to know that their goons have retreated from Minnesota, and also why are you asking what they're distracting you from when the Dow is over 50,000?
>>28847746>why are you asking what they're distracting you from when the Dow is over 50,000$39,000,000,000,000 in national debt, over 2x what the next country (with 4-5x the population) has. But inflation pushed the dow over 50 k so we're all good! Nothing to see here!Nothing makes the working class want to work like getting nothing and paying off the debts of generations before them.
>>28845671I don't get it.
>>28846664Nigger do you not remember the unintended acceleration fiasco? And don't say it's from floor mats, that's bs the company pushed to avoid liability, it was an electrical issue. Plus the Prius has had 33 recalls during its production run.
>>28845801Listen retard, it's the feminine nagging of the system. If I could go into the settings and turn it on or off and have it remember the choice I wouldn't care. But it disrespects you. It turns back on every single key cycle, to nag you. My vehicle my choice.It's like so much shit in tech now where it'll nag you and the options are "yes" and "remind me later". how about fuck off and die, where's that option? Where's the "I own this fucking thing so I decide what gets done, not the machine telling me what to do" optionThis modern feminist nanny state needs to burn
>>28847721>government gets involved in consumer options by implementing standards that cause auto stop start to be a required thing>midwit silence>government gets rid of the standard so automakers don't have to include auto stop start if they don't want to>midwit: "why is government interfering"
>>28845801It's faggy enough chinks made modules that automatically disable it on start up.
>>28846944My truck has auto stop when I let the clutch out too fast and limited auto start if I do it on a hill.
>government regulations >p/o/l is ok with this
>>28847827>regulations are why corporations treat me like mentally retarded cattle!!!!!
>>28847820Was there any evidence, at all, that that was real and not just a trend desperate suicidal fraudsters could hop onto? I'm serious. I see zero evidence.
>>28847884There was a professor on a Dateline NBC segment that showed it was electrical. He had a breakout box for all the wires going to the ECU and shorting two of them together would make it go full throttle every time. They had the presenter driving the Toyota in a parking lot with the guy in the passenger seat with the box in his lap and he was replicating the issue on demand.
>>28847880Women buy 85% of new cars and that's why companies treat everyone like mentally retarded cattle
>>28847944that's fucking retarded and obviously not the real cause of the issues because why would wires wrapped in a harness short on each other?reminds me of the time 60 minutes hooked up a laptop with diag software to a 2014 Cherokee and when they ran a pcm dump the whole car shut off in mid-drive which the software EXPLICITLY WARNS YOU NOT TO DO BECAUSE THAT WILL HAPPENthey then claimed that "hackers" could "disable" your vehicle which forced Chrysler to start locking their ECUs and adding a BCM security gateway that refuses programming over OBD. now anyone with a 2015+my Chrysler has to open up their PCM, hook it to a debug console and flip a single bit -- or pay a company do it -- to have the privilege to tune their vehicle. anyone with a 2018+ has to buy a second OBD port and a gateway bypass module, and splice it into the trunk TIPM harness before even the unlocked PCM will accept new programming.it's all anti-consumer faggotry lead by the media jews who want to see small companies like hptuners and the shops that use their stuff fail
>>28847961Wires get damaged on cars and short out all the time, what are you talking about?And yeah, there's definitely also a problem with the coding or circuit logic because no combination of wires shorting should ever make the car go full throttle. Though a simple cable actuated throttle would also prevent it
>>28847977while i don't know how toyota does it a TPP sensor is typically 5v, typically has two output channels that have to agree and the likelihood of both wires in the bundle shorting to ground is extremely low, shorting to a 5v source is even lower.of course if you break out all the wires and start crossing them like you're trying to steal the car weird shit will occur, but under normal circumstances there is basically no chance the unintended acceleration could occur for an electrical reason. now, could Toyota 's pcms simply be ignoring the second TPP channel and only one output shorted? possibly, but again super unlikely because wires in a car harness are bundled together to keep them from rubbing on each other or the car's body, and the tpp shorting to ground is way more voltage than the sensor typically sees. i don't buy that there was ever a manufacturer defect, it was mostly clueless brainlets getting the pedal stuck under a mat or typical american car owner trash on the floor. the fact that most of these scenarios happened in similar regions and only, apparently, to Priuses and vehicles based on the Prius tells me that the problem existed between the wheel and the seat.
>>28847961It's not necessarily that the wire shielding was failing and they were shorting to each other, the short may have been in the plug ends or on the circuit board in the ecu.
>>28845671>glass cokewish we still made those here
will they actually do somehting based like roll back diesel emissions requirements?
>>28848003The one I'll give you was absolutely a problem between the steering wheel and seat was the GM ignition recall. You had people hanging five pounds of crap on their keys and wondering why the lock cylinder was getting more worn out than Britney Spears or that the momentum of the stuff swinging would turn the vehicle off
>>28845923>It's the gas only cars with auto start stop that are annoying.If you used a car with serious stop-start issues from an American brand, they would throw a shit fit.
>>28845671Congrats mutts your country is absolute vile garbage
>>28845671nice now get rid of the electric parking brake
>>28845762T. Pedro Gonzalez Schittle
>>28845916>Fats>Less than a full portion of anythingHah, you got me.
>>28850667Why?It's really useful.
>>28847285>you must be for or against, there is no nuance to life
>>28847820>>28847884>>28847961lmao, they found it not possible, except for this gem>However, on October 24, 2013, a jury ruled against Toyota and found that unintended acceleration could have been caused due to deficiencies in the drive-by-wire throttle system or Electronic Throttle Control System (ETCS). Michael Barr of the Barr Group testified[30] that NASA had not been able to complete its examination of Toyota's ETCS and that Toyota did not follow best practices for real time life-critical software, and that a single bit flip which can be caused by cosmic rays could cause unintended acceleration. they fucking blamed it on cosmic rays, and yeah, technically, a cosmic ray of radiation from the sun COULD hit the perfect spot, on a moving vehicle, to flip a SINGLE bit on a chip out of literally hundreds of thousands of bits on a space the size of the head of a pin. well maybe, nasa didnt test this because its fucking stupid, but since they didnt test it, it was "possible">He had a breakout box for all the wires going to the ECU and shorting two of them together would make it go full throttle every timelmao. like, yeah, if you made a "break out box" for a car battery which was just a spanner going across the two terminals, it would short as well. gasp.
>>28852273Mexicans slap pemex stickers on their cars like some cargo cult
>>28845779I'm white with blonde hair and my last name is Idaho Swede.
>>28850661It’s been garbage my whole adult life. Thankfully I figured that out by the time I graduated HS 21 years ago or I’d have been a Marine like my father, gone to Iraq like my poor cousin and then would have killed myself after becoming a pill addict like he did.All the weasel words in the resolution to invade Iraq made it clear they were lying, I just couldn’t figure out if it was on behalf of Israel or Saudi Arabia. Turns out it was both and the moloch worshiping satanists that run those countries and see us as cattle have fellow travelers in every field of human endeavor
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>>28850661lotta barking from a neutered dog
>>28845789bless the rains down in Africa for me
